EU to increase budget by £7.4 billion
 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...4-billion.html

Proving the EU once again really get what their residents want they've decided that when almost every country in the EU is tightening their belts, in some cases drastically, what should really happen is each country should give them more money so they can spend it on worthwhile projects like MEP's expenses and shuttling the EU between Brussels and Strasbourg every few months.

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That's unbelievable :mad:

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These clowns live in a different world...

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The individual eurocrats who drew up this proposal should be 'outed' across Europe......names/pictures, so that everyone knows who these clowns are and what they look like. :mad:

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Well it's not surprising given what one part of the coalition have to say about Europe.

Here's what a Lib Dem MEP thinks of the UK: http://t.co/cmdY8IhU

Here's what the man in charge of the group in the EU Parliament the Lib Dems sit in has to say:

http://t.co/mbMXHUOO
http://t.co/ltlDuScy

More personally to us of course:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNMi8wI-enM

Increased European contributions have completely wiped out austerity savings so far. Waste of time, waste of our money, let the federalist freaks go and self-destruct, the Euro doesn't have far to go now and with it the rest of their USE project, so better we distance ourselves and ensure they aren't going to tap our taxpayers' pockets any more.

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For god sake for once can we have a day without EU-Bashing? :mad: :td:

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No different to your bashing on a good many threads and subjects.:rolleyes:

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We could except they make it so easy for us to have a go.

I suppose you think the entire UK tax take should be handed to Brussels so they can start the grand New World Order project. :dozey:

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No.

The campaign will continue relentlessly until getting Britain out of the EU becomes a mainstream election-winning concern.

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Yes I agree that the EU is flawed, but with reforms (stop moving the the EU HQ between Brussels and Strasbourg), but it can work in enforing a set of standards across Europe, does anyone want to go back to the dark days? (e.g WW1 and WW2)

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If we leave the EU, then it would be a bad thing for the UK :mad: :td:

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Please show some evidence that a third war between the great European powers would have happened in the last 70 years - or would be likely in the next 70 - without the European Union.

Please show some evidence of how Britain's exit from the EU would be 'bad'.

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If the UK left the EU (which we joined under a Tory government and was suggested by a Tory PM!), not only would we have to change our laws, but we would be isolated in Europe, it would pose diffculties with Northern Ireland, we would have to either join NAFTA or go it alone and anyway, what ever we do we will be ultimately under influence of China

Also a divided Europe was reponsible for many wars and was the focus of the Cold War

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Yes, once the UK is out of it or it stops with its post-democratic, fascistic integrationist fetish and returns to being a union of trade, co-operation and friendship between a group of sovereign states, whichever comes first.

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Are you suggesting that after sticking a middle finger to Mainland Europe, we can still have a close relationship with the EU?

Look what happened when we vetoed something that had nothing to do with us!

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That is the problem .Trying to impose a "one size fits all" policy to 27 countries simply does not work and never will work .What you end up with is a hugely expensive bureaucracy that is incapable of doing anything in a reasonable time frame ,and when it does achieve something the result is so far removed from the original idea because of individual countries needs as to totally unrecognizable and pointless .You may want to consider that before embarking on any more of your world government fantasies

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Hence why it would be better if they replaced it with a USE, the EU is nothing more than a halfway house that pleases no one a USE (and Global Government) would be far more effective

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Yeah ,pretty much sod all happened

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Nonsense. We would most likely go straight into the EFTA, given that we're a net importer from Europe they wouldn't cut off trade with us nor could they.

Going it alone would be fine - we could, oh I don't know, get back to trading with the Anglosphere and the Commonwealth and former Commonwealth. Australia, Canada, etc, countries on their way up rather than being the world's retirement home, paying up former Eastern Bloc countries with pre-accession subsidies then transference of wealth to tap their younger populations for cheap labour.

Whether you or the Lib Dems or anyone else like it or not we're the 5th largest trading nation in the world. Free of the EU's trade tariffs we could grow trade with traditional partners.

China have considerable sway over the EU anyway, thanks in no small part to their pouring money into EU governments' bonds, in a similar manner to their potential influence over the USA.

The first sentence - no-one could care less who took us into the EU, and can I remind you that what we have right now bares little resemblance to the EEC or the Common Market, as sold to the people as a trade organisation, thanks to Lisbon and other agreements giving the EU and the invisible European Commission, the never directly elected body who in private decide on laws to be rubber stamped by the Parliament, control over several facets of our lives.

I have no idea why leaving the EU would have any impact on the UK's relationship with Ireland. If you're thinking of EU subsidies just think what we would do having our own waters back for UK fishermen, not handing billions over to the EU for foreign farming subsidies and payments to potential and current EU nations.

Please try again.

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Well if you want to see the UK become poorer then sure, because I can assure you that the GDP within the Eurozone is considerably below ours.

Can't think why, loss of flexibility in monetary policy and massive competitiveness gap in order to keep Germany's exports artificially cheap perhaps.

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USE ????

United States of Earth ???? :shocked:

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I don't want a close relationship with the EU, just one of open trade and movement of people - see Switzerland and Norway.

If you think that had nothing to do with us that just goes to show how seriously your opinions on this matter should be taken, and explains your Europhile nature to some extent. Nice and ignorant just as the Eurocrats would wish people to be.

All Cameron asked for was that the City of London not have a transactions tax put on it, this is absolutely appropriate given that over 80% of the tax Europe-wide would be paid by the UK, and Sweden also oppose such a financial transactions tax because they tried it and it absolutely devastated their financial sector.

FYI These are the European Commission's own numbers:

A long-run (20 year) reduction in gross domestic product in the EU by 0.53% if "mitigating effects" take hold, or up to 1.76 per cent if they don't

Yes, between 0.53% and 1.76% of the entire EU GDP, borne >80% by the UK for the next 20 years.

So the veto was because Cameron asked for protection from having the UK's GDP raped by the EU for a tax that they themselves admit will be economically harmful.

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No why should we when they have failed in everything they do

I want nothing to do with Europe, I don't want there money, I don't want to pay into something we get naff all from and i will certainly vote aggressively against any expansion of the EU, So Alan stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Let me put it this way, if we are going to leave, it’s going to be rather bitter and I do not think we would be on rather friendly terms to join the EEFA, they are not exactly going to cut trade with us, but it would be harder and less friendly

My point about China is that no matter what we do, we would be under influence from China, so if we don’t want be under anyone’s influence, then don’t bother leaving

Anyway, if you want to create a Commonwealth Economic Area (which is a good idea), then that has to include open borders with all those states (which is a good idea), but these days many of them do not really care much about the UK, Just ask the Indians, Canadians and Australians!

And for god sake, don’t associate me with a shameful party like the Lib Dems
Lastly we did joined the EEC, we knew that it would lead to a USE, after all a TORY PM Winston Churchill said “We need a United States of Europe� (Remember the Tories help create the ECHE, just ask Andrew Neil)

As for Ireland, if we leaving the EU (unless Ireland joins us) would mean there would be border controls on the NI/Eire border, also it would enviably reduce ties and Nationalists (who want a United Ireland) would worry about how it affects NI links with Eire

Then there are the people who receive EU subsidiaries…

By the way we have flexibility in monetary policy, we are not in the Euro

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United States of Europe

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I know the reasons why we did veto, what was proposed was aimed at the Euro Zone, we should have allied with Sweden and demanded the exception, I was showing an example of what happens when we fall out with Europe

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So you want to leave Mainland Europe under German control and us under even stonger USA/China control, we should insted demand more off the EU

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well it is quite difficult to know what your on about ,because as far as i know there is no United States of Europe ....officially

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That concept has been around for a very long time...

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Yes Alan ,in hypothetical scenarios and fantasy books ,which is where it should remain

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But only in your mind dear Alan.

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A very telling quote from the Telegraph article:


These fundamentalist Eurocrats are hell-bent on increasing the overall proportion of tax revenues that are controlled at the EU level rather than by member states. Their aim is to gradually bring about a de facto United States of Europe with the Commission acting as a federal government.

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Why won't the member states ,or at least some of them just tell Brussels they won't get it ?.Surely the governments of the member states can see how this will inflame the electorate ,Greece for example has had to endure far greater cut backs than us ,how will their electorate react .

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Sarko has made EU budget restraint a central plank of his re-election campaign. *If* the UK and France both stand up and say no, then we might see the Commission reigning its plans in a bit, but I don't know about an actual freeze.

Sadly I don't think there is anyone on either front bench in the Commons with the 'nads to flat refuse to increase our contributions.

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So what? They'll still want the trade, and we can even give them a transitional period where we'll continue to subsidise French farming and allow Spanish fishermen in our sovereign territorial waters.

I'm sure you think of this as being a sudden and violent thing, it wouldn't be, it would have a long transitional period during which the UK makes its required bilateral agreements with the EU and takes its place in the EFTA.

This makes no sense. It's one thing having trade influenced by a strong third party, quite another being under the level of influence that the EU have over us. Their influence is pervasive.

No it doesn't have to include open borders. Free trade of goods and services doesn't require free movement of people.

The people who voted in the referendum would've probably quite liked to have known this given they were told they were voting on a common market. I'm also amused you keep referring to the Tories. This isn't a party political issue, it's way beyond the pathetic politics of Westminster.

Not really, perfectly possible for Ireland and Northern Ireland to form bilateral agreement.

Given we're by a mile a net contributor to the EU budget this is easily mitigated by offering an equivalent to the EU subsidies (not subsidiaries) as a transitional point.

Removing the restrictions applied by the CAP will change our food supply in some ways, sure, however again there is no reason why we can't if so inclined, subsidise sectors of our farming sector with the money we save by not paying part of the cost for Spanish bridges or Polish metro systems.

Indeed, part of the reason our per-capita GDP is higher than that of the Eurozone, which was my point.

Not an option, Sweden had already urinated away their financial services sector with their attempt at it so very little harm left for an FTT to do to them.

I couldn't care less what mainland Europe is doing if we're out of the EU, we would weaken any single other country's influence on us considerably by having a more diverse trading base as we can again return to the WTO table ourselves rather than having the EU there on our behalf tending to the interests of the entire EU rather than the UK specifically.

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The United Fantasies of Alan Fry :LOL:

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and here's me thinking Cameron had grown a pair when he used the veto ,obviously not so basically we are getting shafted on two fronts .

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Seems the EU is hellbent on getting as many europeans as fed up with it as they can, at this particular time to be asking for more money shows how completely ridiculous the whole thing is. Sadly our government will not tell them to take a long walk off a short cliff because every politician in the EU has their eye on the next trough to get their nose into when their national electorate have enough of them. It is well past the time for the UK to leave this completely discredited shower and resort back to a purely free trade arrangement with the EU nations.

As for talk of war if the EU vanishes most of the conflict in europe in the last few decades has come about because of nationalist groups wanting out of larger federations which is exactly what will happen if the fantasists in the EU got their way and there was a united states of europe anytime soon. All the nations of europe have long standing and different cultures and attitudes overcoming that for a successful integration cannot be done in a few short decades it has to happen over a much longer period and only if the will of all the people concerned is there to do it.

Get out of it keep the money we throw into the EU pot here helping to ease the pain for UK nationals and lets just trade freely and fairly with the world a far better position then the one we currently have and pay a fortune for.

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The Eurocrats clearly inhabit a world all of their own. The most remarkable and worrying thing for me is that some people still have faith in them in spite of all the evidence we see before us... :confused:

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All of this sounds like a plot for a really good film.!
Lets get back our indepedence and stuff the rest of them.
For what we put in money wise we get sod all back!

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Whilst i agree with the points of most posters regarding the EU budget at least,its always amazed me as a so called Euro-Sceptic country UKIP are the only party i think that have said they will give the UK another referendum on Europe,yet they cannot gain a single seat in parliament,i was a little surprised i must admit that in the last election Nigel Farage could not unseat the popular/unpopular delete as necessary speaker John Bercow.:confused:

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That's down to their ability to bring their policies to fruition .It's all well and good saying that they will set the tax threshold at minimum wage levels or abolish VAT ,but if the electorate don't feel they have the expertise to do that and make all the sums add up they will not get into power.Having one good policy that most of the country may agree with does not guarantee seats

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Indeed not that i agree on, but to not get one seat in parliament when there are apparently so many Eurosceptics in the uk is amazing.

Not that i am a big supporter of UKIP but if the uk electorate votes and continue to vote for the big three they will get more of the same,as senior politicians of all parties have a vested interest in a second career,on the gravy train.

It really is of no use people complaining of the EU budget and then voting for more of the same in my view.

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All three of the main parties have promised referendums on the EU of one sort or another but then reneged on the promise as soon as they got into power .

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At a general election, people generally vote for a government, not single issues. There are exceptions to this of course - Martin Bell did well out of the 'sleaze' issue in 1997, but only with help from Labour and the Lib Dems who stood aside to allow him to scoop up all the anti-Hamilton votes in what would otherwise still have been a safe Tory seat. There have been one or two other recent examples.

Caroline Lucas has won the Greens a seat because Brighton has something of a unique demographic. If they were ever going to win a FPTP seat it would always have been somewhere like that, because it has what you need to win a vote under that system - sufficient concentration of support within one constituency to ensure you get more votes than the candidate who comes in second.

UKIP's Westminster election problem is twofold. They are perceived as a single issue party (which basically they are, no matter what they put in their manifesto). This does not commend them to what is a relatively sophisticated electorate. Second they have broad support, but nowhere do they have concentrated support. If they want a Westminster seat they would be best served in identifying the largest concentration of potential voters and then concentrating all their efforts on just a handful of likely targets.

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Could that be because our glorious leaders rather like having 'someone' else to blame for 'all our ills'?

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My aren't we cynicle this morning :)

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:LOL:

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Sadly no that isn't the case. Our glorious leaders adore the EU so much even when issues are actually the EU's fault, such as the 'pasty tax', a result of EU VAT regulations, or the Royal Mail being forced to charge more as a result of the forced deregulation of our postal market and foreign operators hoovering up the most profitable parts and leaving RM with the chaff they still don't blame the EU but take the hit themselves.

Honestly there really is the world of Westminster along with trendy politico Islington where Guardianistas live in their bubble where the EU is great and good and then there's the real world where the EU is making us poorer, less free and making a mockery of what's left of our democracy.

The European Commission brings legislation to the European Parliament, our representative on it has never stood for election to office. Truly a post-democratic era, a collection of appointees deciding on the direction of a continent and having that direction rubber stamped by a parliament where there's no real opposition but a collection of EU federalists and those who oppose them getting shouted down and silenced by an absurdly Pro-integration EU Parliament President who regularly accused those who oppose federal Europe as fascists.

That's not considering Guy Verhofstadt and Herman van Rompuy, both non-entities from the non-entity that is Belgium, a forced state that doesn't really want to be a state.