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Osem 16-04-2012 20:31

Oil - Argentina upping the ante...
 
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The Argentine government will seize a controlling interest in oil company YPF owned by Spanish firm Repsol.

President Cristina Fernandez said a bill will be presented to the Senate allowing the government to expropriate 51% of YPF shares.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17732910

That'll go down well in Madrid.

denphone 16-04-2012 20:34

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35414748)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17732910

That'll go down well in Madrid.

She really is a idiot who is not fit to run her country.:td:

AdamD 16-04-2012 23:39

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The move, announced on national television, was welcomed by her cabinet and Argentine governors.
What the heck?

Reminds me of - http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a338.asp
heh

Osem 17-04-2012 08:06

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I wonder if it'll be 'welcomed' by the foreign companies and investors her country so badly needs to keep it afloat. :rolleyes:

Damien 17-04-2012 08:08

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I do not understand their motivations? Why would they want to alienate/antagonise another country? Especially one more likely to be receptive to their Falklands claim...

Alan Fry 17-04-2012 12:05

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Maybe they would use YPF to drill for oil in the Falklands?

That have been taking back control of businesses they have sold off for some time now (like their national airline)

Also, I think that Spain has now joined our side in the issue of the Falklands!

Chris 17-04-2012 12:40

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35414845)
I do not understand their motivations? Why would they want to alienate/antagonise another country? Especially one more likely to be receptive to their Falklands claim...

Kirchner is a third-division amateur when it comes to geopolitics. As with the Falklands issue, this move is all about internal Argentine concerns. When it comes to foreign affairs, she seems to think all she has to do is tell other governments how she sees things and watch them fall into line behind her.

Damien 17-04-2012 12:47

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35414992)
Kirchner is a third-division amateur when it comes to geopolitics. As with the Falklands issue, this move is all about internal Argentine concerns. When it comes to foreign affairs, she seems to think all she has to do is tell other governments how she sees things and watch them fall into line behind her.

So she really is that stupid?

I don't understand the legalities of this anyway, how can a government take a controlling stake in another country's company?

Chris 17-04-2012 12:50

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For an example of how states can, and do, nationalise foreign-owned assets located in their territories, see "Suez Crisis".;)

And yes, she really is that stupid. Right now, she can't quite understand why the British delegation still hasn't turned up to talk about the Falklands.

Osem 17-04-2012 13:48

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She's doing what many desperate leaders have done - dredging up a populist cause in order to deflect scrutiny of her own performance and her country's internal problems. Her predecessors in the 1980s made the same mistake for the same reasons.

Alan Fry 17-04-2012 14:08

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35414992)
Kirchner is a third-division amateur when it comes to geopolitics. As with the Falklands issue, this move is all about internal Argentine concerns. When it comes to foreign affairs, she seems to think all she has to do is tell other governments how she sees things and watch them fall into line behind her.

Thanks to her, Argentinas allies are dropping in number, which is good news for our claim to the Falklands

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35415000)
For an example of how states can, and do, nationalise foreign-owned assets located in their territories, see "Suez Crisis".;)

And yes, she really is that stupid. Right now, she can't quite understand why the British delegation still hasn't turned up to talk about the Falklands.

It's not the first Spainish asset to be nationalized, in 2008 they took back control of AerolĂ*neas Argentinas (Their National Airline) from Spanish based Grupo Marsans (who owned Air Comet until it went bust in 2009)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerol%C...:_2008-onwards

denphone 17-04-2012 14:09

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415041)
Thanks to her, Argentinas allies are dropping in number, which is good news for our claim to the Falklands

Alan the Falklands are ours full stop and thats the end of it.

Alan Fry 17-04-2012 14:20

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35415046)
Alan the Falklands are ours full stop and thats the end of it.

Yes I know that, but a lot of the worse disagrees, like nearly all of South America and Spain (for now)

denphone 17-04-2012 14:23

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415054)
Yes I know that, but a lot of the worse disagrees, like nearly all of South America and Spain (for now)

But they can disagree and mouth off all they like because its all talk and nothing else.

Alan Fry 17-04-2012 14:29

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35415056)
But they can disagree and mouth off all they like because its all talk and nothing else.

True, but the more people on our side the better for us

Osem 18-04-2012 11:45

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Spain has threatened retaliation against Argentina over the forced nationalisation of oil firm YPF, raising the prospects of a trade war between the nations...

... Spain's Industry Minister Jose Manuel Soria said it was considering unspecified action on diplomacy, trade, industry and energy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17753963

Looks like Kirchner's going to be spinning an increasing number of plates...

Alan Fry 18-04-2012 11:51

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35415572)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17753963

Looks like Kirchner's going to be spinning an increasing number of plates...

If she wanted to take back control of YPF so badly, se could have bought the stake off then, but they would not be too keen anyway

Osem 22-04-2012 18:46

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The European Parliament has passed a resolution condemning a nationalisation that has strained relations between Spain and Argentina.
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The resolution asks the European Commission to consider a "partial suspension" of tariffs that benefit Argentine exports into the EU.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17783208

This could be interesting.

Chris 22-04-2012 18:48

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Great. It's about time Kirchner learned what international political relations is all about. She needs her generously-proportioned rear handed to her on a plate.

Osem 23-04-2012 08:18

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35418024)
It'll give her something else to beef about. :D

Or 'wine' about... :D

Maggy 23-04-2012 14:00

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Meanwhile my Argentine chum is rather more worried about attacks on the free press in Argentina than viewing this latest action with any credibility.
He insists they are trying to deflect public interest away from corrupt behaviour of the present government and he doesn't believe that once the elections are finished that anything will come of demands for the Falklands.


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