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mertle 14-04-2012 23:14
A Twitter user jailed for C word - is this an erosion of freedom of speech?
 
http://www.maxfarquar.com/2012/04/fr...olly-cromwell/

Are we now defacto in state where we cant criticise politians or councillors anymore. So be careful people we now in state so bad it smells on the bottom of shoes when trodden in hot day.

How absured is this that type was C*** result got jailed.

http://spiderplantland.co.uk/sir-oll...ech-in-bexley/

Slippery slope, leads to the inevitable erosion of all freedom of speech?

At what point did UK cross over to old East Block German style justice.

http://bexley-is-bonkers.co.uk/

danielf 14-04-2012 23:35
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Is it me or does this case only exist in the blogosphere?

I can't find any real media sources for this at all. It seems to me some people should get a life and get out more...

Lord Nikon 15-04-2012 02:58
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n...gger_arrested/

martyh 15-04-2012 06:01
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35413953)
http://www.maxfarquar.com/2012/04/fr...olly-cromwell/

Are we now defacto in state where we cant criticise politians or councillors anymore. So be careful people we now in state so bad it smells on the bottom of shoes when trodden in hot day.

How absured is this that type was C*** result got jailed.

http://spiderplantland.co.uk/sir-oll...ech-in-bexley/

Slippery slope, leads to the inevitable erosion of all freedom of speech?

At what point did UK cross over to old East Block German style justice.

http://bexley-is-bonkers.co.uk/
You may want to do a bit of research Mertle before defending idiots like this bloke :rolleyes:

It would appear that ,after a little basic investigation that the blogger in question is a deeply offensive chap who has been up before the beak on numerous occasions for ,posting addresses and encouraging readers to post faeces through their doors ,abusing them on line and sending a grossly offensive communication subject to section 127 of the Communications Act 2003.
No it is not a restriction of free speech or any other such nonsense .It is making sure that idiots like this cannot be offensive or encourage others to do illegal acts whilst hiding behind the anonymity of a blog or tweet .
I won't post any links to his site as this is a family forum ,just type olly cromwell into google if anyone wants to give him time of day

papa smurf 15-04-2012 06:12
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
is this written in code ?

Sirius 15-04-2012 06:29
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35413981)
You may want to do a bit of research Mertle before defending idiots like this bloke :rolleyes:
This is becoming standard now for some posts from some posters :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35413983)
is this written in code ?
Looks like google translate to me :D

martyh 15-04-2012 06:51
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35413987)
This is becoming standard now for some posts from some posters :rolleyes:
Yep ,i had noticed

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Interesting to note cf's own abusive blogger is on suspention again .Some people need to understand that the internet is not or should not be a vehicle for abuse threats or incitement anymore than the real world is

Sirius 15-04-2012 07:10
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35413995)
Yep ,i had noticed

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Interesting to note cf's own abusive blogger is on suspention again .Some people need to understand that the internet is not or should not be a vehicle for abuse threats or incitement anymore than the real world is
Boy that was quick

Fawkes 15-04-2012 07:34
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35413995)
Some people need to understand that the internet is not or should not be a vehicle for abuse threats or incitement anymore than the real world is
True but we shouldn't go too far the other way. If it's merely name calling, 'sticks and stones' and all that.

Please note I mean this generally not in reference to the OP.

martyh 15-04-2012 07:42
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawkes (Post 35414012)
True but we shouldn't go too far the other way. If it's merely name calling, 'sticks and stones' and all that.

Please note I mean this generally not in reference to the OP.
oh i agree with that ,some people can be oversensitive but some people can be totally over the top in criticising politicians/officals or even ordinary members of the public who are in the news for whatever reason and what really gets up my nose is when do it anonymously ,they are gutless cowards

Maggy 15-04-2012 08:00
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Sadly some of us believe every word we read in the press or online.

Sadly there was a time when we could trust what was printed in the press as being somewhere near the truth.However that's not been the case for some time now.Too much of what is printed is shaded by inference,ambiguity and hearsay.:(

Sirius 15-04-2012 08:04
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35414018)
Sadly some of us believe every word we read in the press or online.

Sadly there was a time when we could trust what was printed in the press as being somewhere near the truth.However that's not been the case for some time now.Too much of what is printed is shaded by inference,ambiguity and hearsay.:(
Thats why i don't buy or read the papers anymore

martyh 15-04-2012 08:08
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35414019)
Thats why i don't buy or read the papers anymore
even the ink tasts crap on my chips now ;)

mertle 15-04-2012 08:38
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35413995)
Yep ,i had noticed

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Interesting to note cf's own abusive blogger is on suspention again .Some people need to understand that the internet is not or should not be a vehicle for abuse threats or incitement anymore than the real world is
sorry never realisted this was serial offender so would assume its for number offenses not one. If so the news links say he was not found guilty dont trust anything at moment. Alot councillors today its power trip nd alot jumped up little right so so's. We got couple wont go further but god knows how they keep getting back in beyond me are people blind. Dont know how good or bad bexley's are mind.


Maggy Agree we should never trust papers today. Beeb even with there selective propeganda news. There was demo by disabled outside westminster yet these parasites we supposed to pay licence fee for impartiality IGNORED it.

carlwaring 15-04-2012 08:47
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35414028)
Beeb even with there selective propeganda news.
Actually, the BBC is the one news outlet you can trust as they have a duty (by their Royal Charter) to be as impartial as possible. I believe that other TV news outlets are also supposed to be impartial but I can't say whether they are or not as I don't watch them that often :)

The problem, and my point, is that there is no such onus on newspapers.

Not sure why anyone would want to bother with newspapers anyway as they're mostly out-of-date by the morning anyway :confused:

martyh 15-04-2012 08:51
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35414028)
sorry never realisted this was serial offender so would assume its for number offenses not one. If so the news links say he was not found guilty dont trust anything at moment. Alot councillors today its power trip nd alot jumped up little right so so's. We got couple wont go further but god knows how they keep getting back in beyond me are people blind. Dont know how good or bad bexley's are mind.
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That arrest you refer to was last tuesday 10th april in which he was arrested for breaching bail conditions ahead of his trial on 13th april in which he was found guilty.Research Mertle ,it's a good thing :rolleyes:


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Political Blogger “Olly Cromwell” of the Bexley area was today found guilty of sending a grossly offensive communication subject to section 127 of the Communications Act 2003, at Bexley Magistrate’s Court
http://www.pitkanary.com/2012/04/13/...ions-act-2003/

Sirius 15-04-2012 08:55
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35414038)
Actually, the BBC is the one news outlet you can trust as they have a duty (by their Royal Charter) to be as impartial as possible.
You are joking Carl, The BBC can not be trusted anymore. They are just as bad as the rest.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35414028)
sorry never realisted this was serial offender so would assume its for number offenses not one. If so the news links say he was not found guilty dont trust anything at moment. Alot councillors today its power trip nd alot jumped up little right so so's. We got couple wont go further but god knows how they keep getting back in beyond me are people blind. Dont know how good or bad bexley's are mind.


Maggy Agree we should never trust papers today. Beeb even with there selective propeganda news. There was demo by disabled outside westminster yet these parasites we supposed to pay licence fee for impartiality IGNORED it.
Then maybe you should double check what you about to post as you have been doing this constantly. Just look at how you accused Richard Branson of something he did not do and you did it on a public forum. Be careful or one day it might come and bite you on the bottom :)

Hugh 15-04-2012 09:20
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35414028)
sorry never realisted this was serial offender so would assume its for number offenses not one. If so the news links say he was not found guilty dont trust anything at moment. Alot councillors today its power trip nd alot jumped up little right so so's. We got couple wont go further but god knows how they keep getting back in beyond me are people blind. Dont know how good or bad bexley's are mind.


Maggy Agree we should never trust papers today. Beeb even with there selective propeganda news. There was demo by disabled outside westminster yet these parasites we supposed to pay licence fee for impartiality IGNORED it.
Never let facts get in the way of a rant, eh?

You need to understand that if you keep posting stuff that isn't true, CF'ers will, imho, assume everything you post is not based on fact.

Re the Disabled protests outside Parliament not being reported by the BBC...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15413935

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15399724

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13348326

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13365335



Just because you haven't seen it reported, doesn't mean it wasn't.....:dunce:

Sirius 15-04-2012 09:22
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35414054)
Just because you haven't seen it reported, doesn't mean it wasn't.....:dunce:
Or bothered to double check that what is posted is correct in the first place.

martyh 15-04-2012 09:46
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35414054)
Never let facts get in the way of a rant, eh?

You need to understand that if you keep posting stuff that isn't true, CF'ers will, imho, assume everything you post is not based on fact.

Re the Disabled protests outside Parliament not being reported by the BBC...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15413935

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15399724

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13348326

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13365335



Just because you haven't seen it reported, doesn't mean it wasn't.....:dunce:

but what about the "MEDIA BLACKOUT" Hugh :Yikes:

Stuart 15-04-2012 10:33
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35414054)
Never let facts get in the way of a rant, eh?

You need to understand that if you keep posting stuff that isn't true, CF'ers will, imho, assume everything you post is not based on fact.

Re the Disabled protests outside Parliament not being reported by the BBC...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15413935

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15399724

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13348326

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13365335



Just because you haven't seen it reported, doesn't mean it wasn't.....:dunce:
Typically extravagant BBC... Sending in Journos to write 4 stories where one would do.. :D

carlwaring 15-04-2012 10:57
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35414044)
You are joking Carl..
No of course I aren't. Every word I wrote is absolutely true. There is a Royal Charter and their rules say they have to be as fair and impartial as possible. (though that may be paraphrased. Not sure of the precise wording.)

Gary L 15-04-2012 10:59
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35414065)
but what about the "MEDIA BLACKOUT" Hugh :Yikes:
Is that the one that Dave ordered?

Stuart 15-04-2012 11:26
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35414085)
No of course I aren't. Every word I wrote is absolutely true. There is a Royal Charter and their rules say they have to be as fair and impartial as possible. (though that may be paraphrased. Not sure of the precise wording.)
Another way to look at it is the BBC manages to get it's news output criticised by both Labour and the Tories.. That at least means it is fair.

Derek 15-04-2012 11:44
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Hmmm.

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What is striking is that despite the defence requesting for sentencing to be decided to today, the District Judge instead decided to set a sentencing hearing at Bromley Magistrates Court on Wednesday 9th May at 13:30, with a representative of the Probation service present. This raises a question as to whether a custodial sentence may be given. An offence under s127 of the Communication Acts 2003 can lead to a custodial sentence of up to 6 months.
Surely this means he hasn't been jailed yet which makes the thread heading even more misleading?

Anyway whilst the "Ooooh he said something nasty on a computer" brigade are a bit of a joke this seems like a culmination of a long running campaign rather than a single tweet involving a bit of (very) bad language.

Tim Deegan 15-04-2012 12:09
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35413981)
You may want to do a bit of research Mertle before defending idiots like this bloke :rolleyes:

It would appear that ,after a little basic investigation that the blogger in question is a deeply offensive chap who has been up before the beak on numerous occasions for ,posting addresses and encouraging readers to post faeces through their doors ,abusing them on line and sending a grossly offensive communication subject to section 127 of the Communications Act 2003.
No it is not a restriction of free speech or any other such nonsense .It is making sure that idiots like this cannot be offensive or encourage others to do illegal acts whilst hiding behind the anonymity of a blog or tweet .
I won't post any links to his site as this is a family forum ,just type olly cromwell into google if anyone wants to give him time of day
Do we know the person who was jailed?? ;)

martyh 15-04-2012 12:26
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35414112)
Do we know the person who was jailed?? ;)
Nah ,i have no doubt he's composing a letter of support ,denouncing all lovers of a "failed capitalist government" donning his kharkies and preparing for the coming revolution :D

Tim Deegan 15-04-2012 12:41
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35414116)
Nah ,i have no doubt he's composing a letter of support ,denouncing all lovers of a "failed capitalist government" donning his kharkies and preparing for the coming revolution :D
Maybe...but he hasn't been back on here for a while

Gary L 15-04-2012 13:02
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Who are we talking about?

Tezcatlipoca 15-04-2012 13:25
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Why does the thread title mention Facebook? :confused:

Stuart 15-04-2012 13:26
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35414130)
Who are we talking about?
Someone who is off topic.

carlwaring 15-04-2012 13:57
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35414102)
Another way to look at it is the BBC manages to get it's news output criticised by both Labour and the Tories.. That at least means it is fair.
Indeed. They have also been citicised for being anti- and pro-Israeli/Palestine/Libya/whoever.

Which kinda proves the point :)

Osem 17-04-2012 15:29
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
I dare say there are quite a few very worried people out there who're beginning to wish they hadn't posted certain things safe in the comfort of their home. Let's hope those who've advocated and incited hatred, violence and even murder soon get a knock on their doors!

Sirius 17-04-2012 15:35
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35415099)
I dare say there are quite a few very worried people out there who're beginning to wish they hadn't posted certain things safe in the comfort of their home. Let's hope those who've advocated and incited hatred, violence and even murder soon get a knock on their doors!
Well i have made a report about one i have found ;)

Osem 18-04-2012 12:00
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Good idea and well done!

There are loads of people who spout real hatred anonymously and hitherto didn't believe they'd ever be called to account. These recent cases have proved that, where complaints about extremist views are made by members of the public, the authorities can and will take serious action. I wonder how many people who haven't bothered complaining because they didn't think anything would be done will now change their minds and start reporting this sort of behaviour.

Given the high profile nature of these cases, I'm sure corporations whose official logos are sometimes used by these people without permission will now also be keen to take civil action rather than see their public image tarnished by association.

Interesting times ahead eh....

Tim Deegan 18-04-2012 18:31
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35415590)
Good idea and well done!

There are loads of people who spout real hatred anonymously and hitherto didn't believe they'd ever be called to account. These recent cases have proved that, where complaints about extremist views are made by members of the public, the authorities can and will take serious action. I wonder how many people who haven't bothered complaining because they didn't think anything would be done will now change their minds and start reporting this sort of behaviour.

Given the high profile nature of these cases, I'm sure corporations whose official logos are sometimes used by these people without permission will now also be keen to take civil action rather than see their public image tarnished by association.

Interesting times ahead eh....
Agreed. I think we should all report any posts on any site, that are illegal, and/or suggesting commiting a crime.

Osem 18-04-2012 19:24
re: A Twitter user jailed for C word - is this an erosion of freedom of speech?
 
Yes, and I'd guess the employers of anyone whose been posting such stuff might also be very interested to find out if they've been doing so in company time. Take heed 'anonymous' extremists!.....

Maggy 18-04-2012 19:34
re: A Twitter user jailed for C word - is this an erosion of freedom of speech?
 
There are still FB pages about how great Moat was..:mad:

djfunkdup 18-04-2012 21:35
Re: A twitter jailed for C word on facebook is this erosion of freedom speach?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35413983)
is this written in code ?

lololololol :p::p::p::p:

Tim Deegan 18-04-2012 23:47
Re: A Twitter user jailed for C word - is this an erosion of freedom of speech?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35415797)
Yes, and I'd guess the employers of anyone whose been posting such stuff might also be very interested to find out if they've been doing so in company time. Take heed 'anonymous' extremists!.....
What even senior managers in large logistics companies? ;)

Derek 19-04-2012 00:07
Re: A Twitter user jailed for C word - is this an erosion of freedom of speech?
 
Ahem. Back on topic please

Hugh 19-04-2012 17:44
Re: A Twitter user jailed for C word - is this an erosion of freedom of speech?
 
On a related note, our local news has just broadcast this story about those nice chaps in the EDL...

BBC
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Arrests in Internet race-hate investigation.


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