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martyh 06-04-2012 09:46

Large shops banned from displaying cigarettes
 
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16203634

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Tobacco has been banned from displays in shops as the latest anti-smoking law comes into effect in England.
The new rules mean all cigarettes and tobacco products will be kept hidden behind screens or under the counter in large shops and supermarkets.
Small shops will follow suit in 2015, allowing them more time to refit shelves and cabinets.
Smoking causes 80,000 preventable deaths each year and costs the NHS £5bn annually.
So from today supermarkets and other large shops will not be allowed to display tobacco products .Will it make any difference or will the kids be more curious as to what is hidden behind the big doors in the supermarket

Sirius 06-04-2012 09:52

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35410472)
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16203634



So from today supermarkets and other large shops will not be allowed to display tobacco products .Will it make any difference or will the kids be more curious as to what is hidden behind the big doors in the supermarket

Kids pick up the habit at school from other kids. This will have no effect what so ever

martyh 06-04-2012 09:54

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I voted for 3 ,i don't see that going into a supermarket and not being able to see cigarettes is going to have much effect when for another 3 yrs the kids can go to a garage or corner shop and still stare lovingly at the bright shiny packets

papa smurf 06-04-2012 09:59

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i've seen this in tesco -all the tobacco products behind white screen doors ,

i think kids will be curious what's behind the screens ,its forbidden fruit that will need trying imo

martyh 06-04-2012 10:00

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35410477)
i've seen this in tesco -all the tobacco products behind white screen doors ,

i think kids will be curious what's behind the screens ,its forbidden fruit that will need trying imo

I agree ,and i bet the big doors had 'Tobacco' written on them :)

papa smurf 06-04-2012 10:07

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35410478)
I agree ,and i bet the big doors had 'Tobacco' written on them :)

no they where just plain white
i only wanted a box of matches to light the stove on my boat ,even the matches where hidden so i qued up in the hope of them being available as i could not see for myself .
i have to wonder how long it will be before the EU step in and stop this its going to be impossible to sell new brands if no one knows they exist .

denphone 06-04-2012 10:08

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35410473)
Kids pick up the habit at school from other kids. This will have no effect what so ever

l echo the same sentiments as Sirius in that it will have no effect at all.

Taf 06-04-2012 10:14

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It's the big outlets that are very careful not to sell to youngsters, yet they are the ones being persecuted in this "first wave" of legislation.

They should have started with the smaller shops first AFAIC.

But then again , I think it's all a bit pointless and just government pandering to certain lobbyists with their own agendas.

Pierre 06-04-2012 10:18

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35410483)
l echo the same sentiments as Sirius in that it will have no effect at all.

No short term effect, I think this more about changing how the next generation and generation after that perceive cigarettes.

Personally I thinks it's just one gimmick after another, either ban them completely or price them at £20 a pack.

martyh 06-04-2012 10:21

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35410482)
no they where just plain white
i only wanted a box of matches to light the stove on my boat ,even the matches where hidden so i qued up in the hope of them being available as i could not see for myself .
i have to wonder how long it will be before the EU step in and stop this its going to be impossible to sell new brands if no one knows they exist .

I don't think they will as Ireland have had the ban for some years with no interference .
In my opinion it's a waste of time but if the government must have this ban then implement it in one go not phased in over 3 yrs .Young kids feeling peer preasure to start smoking do not go to supermarkets ,they will hang around outside their local corner shop and wait for a willing adult to buy them for them or they will go to a shop they know will sell to under 16s

denphone 06-04-2012 10:22

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35410490)
No short term effect, I think this more about changing how the next generation and generation after that perceive cigarettes.

Personally I thinks it's just one gimmick after another, either ban them completely or price them at £20 a pack.

But where does it all end Pierre as perhaps the next thing that will target will be the sale of alcohol and are they in the long run going to cover that up and stop alcohol advertising as well because alcohol health wise can be just as bad as smoking is for you.

martyh 06-04-2012 10:27

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35410495)
But where does it all end Pierre as perhaps the next thing that will target will be the sale of alcohol and are they in the long run going to cover that up and stop alcohol advertising as well because alcohol health wise can be just as bad as smoking is for you.

I would argue that alcohol abuse costs far more than smoking .If you take into account all the damage and extra policing ,ambulances needed on a weekend and that's before you start factoring in costs of treating the associated illnesses

Gary L 06-04-2012 10:29

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35410482)
i have to wonder how long it will be before the EU step in and stop this its going to be impossible to sell new brands if no one knows they exist .

Good point. another thing is will they have a price list displayed. or do you get a 10 second flash?

it's silly when 'normal' shops can still display theirs for another 3 years.

hiding them from view will not stop people taking up the habit. the habit isn't started from liking the look of a packet, loving the price, so buying a few to take home.

all this is (apart from another step towards the nanny state) is the government wants to be seen as doing something. they want us to smoke as much as possible because there's billions of pounds worth of profit in it. as long as they're seen to be doing something then they are quite happy to take the billions of pounds worth of tax money made from the drug.

papa smurf 06-04-2012 10:43

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35410497)
Good point. another thing is will they have a price list displayed. or do you get a 10 second flash?

it's silly when 'normal' shops can still display theirs for another 3 years.

its very strange you stand at the counter and all you see is white shutter doors -i know when i shop i like to see all of the other brands and prices on offer , as far as i can see this is restricting the sale of goods and is not in the spirit of EU trade agreements its a stupid idea pandering to the stupid in our society :td:

Pierre 06-04-2012 11:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35410495)
But where does it all end Pierre as perhaps the next thing that will target will be the sale of alcohol and are they in the long run going to cover that up and stop alcohol advertising as well because alcohol health wise can be just as bad as smoking is for you.

They may probably do just that.

What they managed to do is make smoking socially unacceptable. So that wider society don't care how hard you hit the smoker, and not only have they gone after the smoker in public areas but they are now going after him in his own home.

It is quite possible, with the right campaign, to try and make drinking, or certainly drinking to excess, socially unacceptable too.

So I don't know where it will end.

I do know one thing, prices will go up....all the time

Jimmy-J 06-04-2012 12:42

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Next it'll be alcohol, they'll need some big mutha screens to hide that behind. Who thinks of these stupidly wild ideas?

papa smurf 06-04-2012 12:46

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 35410556)
Next it'll be alcohol, they'll need some big mutha screens to hide that behind. Who thinks of these stupidly wild ideas?

people who don't smoke drink gamble or live a real life - they have a worthless unmeaning existence and wish to make the rest of us a miserable as they are .

TheDaddy 06-04-2012 13:42

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35410477)
i've seen this in tesco -all the tobacco products behind white screen doors ,

i think kids will be curious what's behind the screens ,its forbidden fruit that will need trying imo

I think that to, the more you tells teenagers not to do something the more they want to try it in my experience but it's ok a load of experts have told the government this'll work, that is of course if you believe the government want it to work...

Zee 06-04-2012 13:45

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it wont be effective, if someone wants to smoke they will no matter how many white screens, and to be honest i think it will make the matter worse.

papa smurf 06-04-2012 13:51

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35410587)
I think that to, the more you tells teenagers not to do something the more they want to try it in my experience but it's ok a load of experts have told the government this'll work, that is of course if you believe the government want it to work...

its strange i can't look a cigs but in the same supermarket i can see alcohol/
sugar/ lard /red meat etc etc etc all substances that are supposed to be bad for my health -i mean peanuts kill some people but any one can buy a bag :confused:

nomadking 06-04-2012 13:54

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Display the annual cost of a 20 a day habit. That might make them think about it.

papa smurf 06-04-2012 13:56

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35410593)
Display the annual cost of a 20 a day habit. That might make them think about it.

you could be on to something there -show people what they could be the proud owner of rather than have the money go up in smoke .

martyh 06-04-2012 13:59

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35410594)
you could be on to something there -show people what they could be the proud owner of rather than have the money go up in smoke .

£2000+ per year ,quite a substantial sum .Anybody would be happy to have a pay rise of that amount

Gary L 06-04-2012 14:03

Re: large shops banned from displaying cigarettes
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35410596)
£2000+ per year ,quite a substantial sum .Anybody would be happy to have a pay rise of that amount

Come on, let's get some perspective here. if you get your baccy from Trevor or Steve. it'll be about £500 year.

that's a big saving there.

martyh 06-04-2012 14:09

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35410598)
Come on, let's get some perspective here. if you get your baccy from Trevor or Steve. it'll be about £500 year.

that's a big saving there.

I'm taking the 5th on that ;)

Tezcatlipoca 06-04-2012 14:12

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My local ASDA has already been doing this for a while now.

Dude111 07-04-2012 04:36

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Originally Posted by Sirius
Kids pick up the habit at school from other kids. This will have no effect what so ever

No i dont see it being @ all effective......

Pretty stupid i would say!

martyh 07-04-2012 10:20

Re: large shops banned from displaying cigarettes
 
What baffles me is that if i go into my local Tesco hypermarket the ciggies will be covered up ,if i go into a Tesco local shop they aren't .The delay in the legislation for smaller shops is supposed to be to give them more notice to effect the changes and meet the expense ,but no-one can tell me that Tesco or sainsburies ect need the extra time and no-one can tell me that building a cupboard or putting some doors over an existing display is going to be that expensive .

Maybe i'm missing a trick here ,should maybe look at branching out and building a few of these new displays:scratch::idea:

Gary L 07-04-2012 10:23

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It is silly if the doors are being constantly opened and shut, due to the rate at which people are buying them.

it'll probably start the kids standing around drooling and dribbling everytime they catch a quick flash of the packets.

martyh 07-04-2012 10:25

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35410944)
It is silly if the doors are being constantly opened and shut, due to the rate at which people are buying them.

it'll probably start the kids standing around drooling and dribbling everytime they catch a quick flash of the packets.

I'ts the same logic as putting dirty mags on the top shelf ....we just looked up :D

papa smurf 07-04-2012 10:26

Re: large shops banned from displaying cigarettes
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35410943)
What baffles me is that if i go into my local Tesco hypermarket the ciggies will be covered up ,if i go into a Tesco local shop they aren't .The delay in the legislation for smaller shops is supposed to be to give them more notice to effect the changes and meet the expense ,but no-one can tell me that Tesco or sainsburies ect need the extra time and no-one can tell me that building a cupboard or putting some doors over an existing display is going to be that expensive .

Maybe i'm missing a trick here ,should maybe look at branching out and building a few of these new displays:scratch::idea:

your too late mate i've just sold the gov the idea of a shoppers blind fold this way non of us will be able to see the forbidden fruit and the cost is just pence for a bit of old rag .:)

martyh 07-04-2012 10:29

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35410946)
your too late mate i've just sold the gov the idea of a shoppers blind fold this way non of us will be able to see the forbidden fruit and the cost is just pence for a bit of old rag .:)

Damn you :mad::mad:

Can you imagine it though ,all the kids are going facetubing each other about catching a glimpse of a pack of B&H :D

thenry 01-02-2025 16:25

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Sainsbury's and Morrisons are displaying adverts for tobacco products in their stores which Trading Standards says are against the law.

Video screens and posters promote devices that deliver nicotine by heating tobacco rather than burning it.

The two supermarkets say they believe the laws banning tobacco advertising do not apply to the devices.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gxe40zky7o.amp
I'm glad I don't see the crap in my local Tesco express. It's disgusting. No health benefits at all :td:

Paul 01-02-2025 16:57

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13 year bump, impressive.

People can of course just ignore adverts.

SnoopZ 01-02-2025 18:20

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36190474)
13 year bump, impressive.

People can of course just ignore adverts.

I thought it was Dude111 bumping for a second.

nomadking 01-02-2025 18:21

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The article is from today.
From article/
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Heated tobacco is different from vapes, which contain nicotine but no tobacco, and they are much less popular.
I suppose it comes down to whether it's a Tobacco product or a nicotine
product.
Link
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1 Meaning of “tobacco advertisement” and “tobacco product”
In this Act—
“tobacco advertisement” means an advertisement—
(a) whose purpose is to promote a tobacco product, or
(b) whose effect is to do so, and
“tobacco product” means a product consisting wholly or partly of tobacco and intended to be smoked, sniffed, sucked or chewed.

Hom3r 01-02-2025 18:25

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Unfortunately these adverts are on large TV screens that you can't avoid

GrimUpNorth 01-02-2025 18:30

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36190482)
Unfortunately these adverts are on large TV screens that you can't avoid

I've seen the ads, but had no idea what the products were - thought they were the supermarkets own brand of vape to be honest. Got out of the nicotine game nearly 13 years ago so don't pay any attention anymore.

Paul 01-02-2025 21:58

Re: Large shops banned from displaying cigarettes
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36190482)
Unfortunately these adverts are on large TV screens that you can't avoid

Well you could always not look at them. ;)

Dude111 02-02-2025 01:40

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ
I thought it was Dude111 bumping for a second.

Well yes I havent been scanning the bases lately.... Im surprised to see others scanning :)

tweetiepooh 04-02-2025 10:18

Re: Large shops banned from displaying cigarettes
 
Good idea but how much effect it will have is less certain.

Hugh 04-02-2025 12:45

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36190616)
Good idea but how much effect it will have is less certain.

Why would they advertise if it didn't work in their benefit - large companies are not renowned for wasting money on things that don't work.

Itshim 04-02-2025 17:45

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36190482)
Unfortunately these adverts are on large TV screens that you can't avoid

Must be me l can't recall ever seeing one:erm: only use two large supermarkets. One Tesco other Sainsbury's.

nomadking 04-02-2025 17:55

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36190616)
Good idea but how much effect it will have is less certain.

I assume you're referring to the original issue in the title of shuttering away cigarettes, so they're not visible at the checkout.


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