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mertle 28-03-2012 12:27
major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-7593585.html

This very worrying development for sure.

If it was not for Lib/Dems for once they actually managed to block the move. Likely if Conservatives was alone would got it through unhibited.

Civil servants questioning things now we surely now have to have proper investigation what policies been interfered by whom.

Quote:
Following the cash-for-access row, some civil servants are said to be worried about the involvement of a Tory donor in the Government's policy-making process. "It has raised eyebrows," said one Whitehall source.

Hugh 28-03-2012 17:13
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
You do realise this "news" is six months old.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15456585

btw, I look forward to you posting articles about Union leaders (who are major donors to the Labour Party) proposing things, and using their influence.....

Sirius 28-03-2012 17:15
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35406276)
You do realise this "news" is six months old.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15456585

btw, I look forward to you posting articles about Union leaders (who are major donors to the Labour Party) proposing things, and using their influence.....
Sorry but you know that will NEVER happen. But hey any OLD news can be used when there is an agenda at stake

Hugh 28-03-2012 17:33
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Speaking of recycling articles on "influence", I found this article on the Huff Post which was, imho, quite interesting....

Especially this bit
Quote:
Three trade unions (GMB, Unison and Unite) had 75 per cent of the votes in the union section and each nominated and campaigned for Ed Miliband.

The report from the University of Bristol argues this meant the candidates did not have "equal and open access to the electorate" as the unions distributed ballots in a "partisan fashion".

Ed Miliband narrowly beat his brother David to the leadership in 2010. While David secured more votes from parliamentarians and party members, Ed had more support from the unions. In the end he won by a margin of only 0.65 per cent.

The report claims the unions unfairly "shaped campaigning" by restricting the availability of their membership lists to their nominee.

It notes that 49 per cent of voters followed their union’s recommendation when choosing who to vote for.

"The electorate was not fully informed; resources were not equalised; and ballots were not distributed in a neutral manner," it concludes.

mertle 28-03-2012 18:11
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35406276)
You do realise this "news" is six months old.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15456585

btw, I look forward to you posting articles about Union leaders (who are major donors to the Labour Party) proposing things, and using their influence.....
Labour releasing the lists. I said will say it again till blue in the face I feel CURRUPTION RIFE in british politics all over.

THE WHOLE SORRY MESS POLITICS NEEDS CLEANING UP. I am getting to point I wont vote because there all the same dodgy freeloaders. I hope we get new party which worth voting for integrety. At present you be nuts to vote any leading parties.

It need one big investigation new regulations those caught banned for life of politics and jailed. I still dont know why cruddas not been arrested. Major fines for the parties and suspensions which might make them more careful who they recruit as MP's. Wondering if Party politics should be banned have all MP's all independant. That though would be very drastic measures but we should at least ban party voting in parliment. MP's should be freed from shackles not be banned from parties due to voting against bill.

At moment rightly over this vid Conservatives policies failed/got through should be scrutinised infact we should have independant investigation. If you want all policies over the years to see what influence was there too.

The article its linking a policy if it was not for lib/dems would found its self passed. Its about MAJOR DONOR setting NOW conservative policy.

Yes its old policy its also under light what gone on recent days valid information.

Even the Civil servants concerned.

Surely you must be concerned outside influence on policies. Surely your worried there maybe big issue of possible who pay the most can by a policy made for them.

How many policies been for these huge donors not good for the country.

Hugh 28-03-2012 18:13
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I think there should be limits on donations (be they from businesses, individuals, or unions), and limits on election spending.

mertle 28-03-2012 18:36
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35406302)
I think there should be limits on donations (be they from businesses, individuals, or unions), and limits on election spending.
I would agree entirely there. Though would argue it should be central funded donations. No more Party funds if you want to donate you donate to politics.

New image of politics should elude from parties and MP's.

I think many disalusioned with politics feel betrayed infact we could done without this scandal. Then again it might just make thinks alot better but we never learned from any of the cash for questions, peerage. cash for influence.

Why we never learn why MP's found involved dont get permenent banning orders.

We wont clean it up until MP's took to task parties punished.

Do we need regulatory body to sanction MP's, parties for indescressions. Investigate scandals act without being asked. So like in this case would swung full swing into action first thing monday.

Tim Deegan 28-03-2012 19:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35406302)
I think there should be limits on donations (be they from businesses, individuals, or unions), and limits on election spending.
There are...or at least there used to be.

Hugh 31-03-2012 10:14
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Ed Millibands releases lists of donors he has had meetings with.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17564779

mertle 31-03-2012 10:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35407580)
Ed Millibands releases lists of donors he has had meetings with.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17564779
not fair beat me too it on another thread may as well put list here no if mods want remove post in the croddus sting thread please.

http://www.edmiliband.org/list-of-meetings-and-dinners-with-donors-and-trade-union-general

Ed Miliband: List of meetings and dinners with donors and trade union general secretaries from 25 September 2010 to date:
4 November 2010 – Nigel Doughty
7 December 2010 - John Hannett (USDAW)
15 December 2010 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
5 January 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
13 January 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
17 January 2011 – Lord Bhattacharyya
2 February 2011 – Henry Tinsley (Betterworld Ltd)
3 February 2011 – Lord Alan Sugar
16 February 2011 – Kevin McGrath
3 March 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Dave Prentis (Unison)
9 March – Michael Leahy (Community)
24 March 2011 – Nigel Doughty – Breakfast at Ed Miliband’s home
29 March 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
29 March 2011 – Graham Jones
29 March 2011 – Lord Waheed Alli (BM Creative Management Ltd)
4 April 2011 –John Hannett (USDAW), Michael Leahy (Community), Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Gerry Doherty (TSSA), Billy Hayes (CWU)– Dinner, House of Commons
26 April 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
16 May 2011 –Len McCluskey (UNITE)
17 May 2011 – Ken Livingstone
20 June 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
27 June 2011 – John Hannett (USDAW)
28 June 2011 – George Guy (UCATT)
14 July 2011 – George Iacobescu (Canary Wharf plc)
14 July 2011 – Ken Livingstone
22 July 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
22 July 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
25 July 2011 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
2 September 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
6 September 2011 – Nigel Doughty
13 September 2011 – John Hannett (USDAW)
20 September 2011 - Ken Livingstone
27 October 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
10 November 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Dave Prentis (UNISON)
19 November 2011 – Nigel Doughty – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s house
16 December 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
20 January 2012 – Andrew Rosenfeld – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s home
6 February 2012 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
9 February 2012 – Dr Assem Allam
21 February 2012 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
1 March 2012 – Andrew Rosenfeld
7 March 2012 – Michael Leahy (Community)/John Hannett (USDAW)
14 March 2012 – Billy Hayes (CWU)
23 March 2012 - Ken Livingstone – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s home

Sirius 31-03-2012 10:29
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35407586)
not fair beat me too it on another thread may as well put list here no if mods want remove post in the croddus sting thread please.

http://www.edmiliband.org/list-of-meetings-and-dinners-with-donors-and-trade-union-general

Ed Miliband: List of meetings and dinners with donors and trade union general secretaries from 25 September 2010 to date:
4 November 2010 – Nigel Doughty
7 December 2010 - John Hannett (USDAW)
15 December 2010 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
5 January 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
13 January 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
17 January 2011 – Lord Bhattacharyya
2 February 2011 – Henry Tinsley (Betterworld Ltd)
3 February 2011 – Lord Alan Sugar
16 February 2011 – Kevin McGrath
3 March 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Dave Prentis (Unison)
9 March – Michael Leahy (Community)
24 March 2011 – Nigel Doughty – Breakfast at Ed Miliband’s home
29 March 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
29 March 2011 – Graham Jones
29 March 2011 – Lord Waheed Alli (BM Creative Management Ltd)
4 April 2011 –John Hannett (USDAW), Michael Leahy (Community), Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Gerry Doherty (TSSA), Billy Hayes (CWU)– Dinner, House of Commons
26 April 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
16 May 2011 –Len McCluskey (UNITE)
17 May 2011 – Ken Livingstone
20 June 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
27 June 2011 – John Hannett (USDAW)
28 June 2011 – George Guy (UCATT)
14 July 2011 – George Iacobescu (Canary Wharf plc)
14 July 2011 – Ken Livingstone
22 July 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
22 July 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
25 July 2011 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
2 September 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
6 September 2011 – Nigel Doughty
13 September 2011 – John Hannett (USDAW)
20 September 2011 - Ken Livingstone
27 October 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
10 November 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Dave Prentis (UNISON)
19 November 2011 – Nigel Doughty – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s house
16 December 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
20 January 2012 – Andrew Rosenfeld – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s home
6 February 2012 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
9 February 2012 – Dr Assem Allam
21 February 2012 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
1 March 2012 – Andrew Rosenfeld
7 March 2012 – Michael Leahy (Community)/John Hannett (USDAW)
14 March 2012 – Billy Hayes (CWU)
23 March 2012 - Ken Livingstone – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s home
And as i posted in the other thread i wonder how much he will make for the Labour fund that will stay under the table from that lot ?

Alan Fry 17-04-2012 08:56
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Why do the Tories rich backers want to reduce our standard of living even further, they have massively weakened our unions and reduced wages and pensions in real terms :mad:

What we need is far more workers rights and far less regulation of unions, starting with the scraping of Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 :td:

This also shows how much the Tories care about anyone who is not rich, honestly, I am starting to wish I was a Billionaire/Trillionaire :(

And for petes sake, can you end this rubbbish about how bad union influence is, unlike the wealthy who donate to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and even UKIP, the unions represent 6.5 million working people

Tim Deegan 17-04-2012 18:15
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35414865)
Why do the Tories rich backers want to reduce our standard of living even further, they have massively weakened our unions and reduced wages and pensions in real terms :mad:

What we need is far more workers rights and far less regulation of unions, starting with the scraping of Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 :td:

This also shows how much the Tories care about anyone who is not rich, honestly, I am starting to wish I was a Billionaire/Trillionaire :(

And for petes sake, can you end this rubbbish about how bad union influence is, unlike the wealthy who donate to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and even UKIP, the unions represent 6.5 million working people
I am a trade union member. But I can still see that the unions used to have far too much power, and used to bring the economy to it's knees.

We don't want a situation like we had in the 70's, and they still have in USA now. As it is almost like 'Carry On at Your Convenience'. And the unions who were supposed to be protecting the workers, were actually putting the companies out of business, and losing their members their jobs.

Sirius 17-04-2012 18:47
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35414865)
Why do the Tories rich backers want to reduce our standard of living even further, they have massively weakened our unions and reduced wages and pensions in real terms :mad:

What we need is far more workers rights and far less regulation of unions, starting with the scraping of Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 :td:

This also shows how much the Tories care about anyone who is not rich, honestly, I am starting to wish I was a Billionaire/Trillionaire :(

And for petes sake, can you end this rubbbish about how bad union influence is, unlike the wealthy who donate to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and even UKIP, the unions represent 6.5 million working people
I have just looked and you have bumped loads of threads today and spammed them, Shocking absolutely Shocking

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35415212)
I am a trade union member. But I can still see that the unions used to have far too much power, and used to bring the economy to it's knees.

We don't want a situation like we had in the 70's, and they still have in USA now. As it is almost like 'Carry On at Your Convenience'. And the unions who were supposed to be protecting the workers, were actually putting the companies out of business, and losing their members their jobs.
What will shock a lot of people on this forum is that i am now a paid up member of the CWU and intend to stay that way :shocked:.

I realise now that the CWU are not the same bully boy union that the miners union was and the one i remember for what they did to members of my family back when the strike was at its height.

I agree with a lot of what the CWU are doing and feel i am best placed being a member in this present climate.

Tim Deegan 17-04-2012 18:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35415233)
I have just looked and you have bumped loads of threads today and spammed them, Shocking absolutely Shocking
Be fair. He has just come back after being suspended for a long time. So he is just continuing his rants where he left off a month ago :D

Pierre 17-04-2012 19:57
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
This sectionof the forum is current affairs, not two weeks ago affairs.

Alan, please stop.

denphone 17-04-2012 20:03
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35415281)
This sectionof the forum is current affairs, not two weeks ago affairs.

Alan, please stop.
Well l think there is more chance of aliens appearing on earth then of that happening as Sir Spamalot still thinks he is appearing in the West End acting out his insidious and nefarious propaganda.

Hugh 17-04-2012 20:04
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Topic, not personalities.

Alan Fry 18-04-2012 11:22
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35415212)
I am a trade union member. But I can still see that the unions used to have far too much power, and used to bring the economy to it's knees.

We don't want a situation like we had in the 70's, and they still have in USA now. As it is almost like 'Carry On at Your Convenience'. And the unions who were supposed to be protecting the workers, were actually putting the companies out of business, and losing their members their jobs.
The claim that Trade Unions damaged our economy is wrong, they were a side effect of a disease, the reason our economy fell, was due to high energy prices, underinvestment, low quality standards, bad management, bad government policy, the industrial recovery of Japan and Mainland Europe and the decline of Britains empire and a decline of it power

As for the USA, are you seriously suggesting that unions have a power left, it is even worse there, nearly all retail companies (most of all Wal-Mart) are union-free, also American Car companies are undermined by union free Japanese Car plants, lastly if there was strong unions, why are there a lot of Occupy Movements there?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35415233)
I have just looked and you have bumped loads of threads today and spammed them, Shocking absolutely Shocking

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What will shock a lot of people on this forum is that i am now a paid up member of the CWU and intend to stay that way :shocked:.

I realise now that the CWU are not the same bully boy union that the miners union was and the one i remember for what they did to members of my family back when the strike was at its height.

I agree with a lot of what the CWU are doing and feel i am best placed being a member in this present climate.
Did you have member of your family that worked as miners?

Sirius 18-04-2012 11:31
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415549)
Did you have member of your family that worked as miners?


No i did not but i had a close member of my family accused of being a scab and also attacked physically even when he had nothing to do with the miners and had NO involvement with them or any of there members. It was a case of wrong person in the wrong place but the union never apologised for what they did and therefor i see them as **** for what they did.

Alan Fry 18-04-2012 11:46
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35415560)
No i did not but i had a close member of my family accused of being a scab and also attacked physically even when he had nothing to do with the miners and had NO involvement with them or any of there members. It was a case of wrong person in the wrong place but the union never apologised for what they did and therefor i see them as **** for what they did.
That explains you political views, while I think the person who you were talking about did not deserve to suffer from them, there were a lot of people that were scabs that did not help they fellow miners (if I was a miner then, I would be joining the strike, even if I disagreed with them)

martyh 18-04-2012 11:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415549)
The claim that Trade Unions damaged our economy is wrong, ?
In your opinion ,stop stating opinion as fact unless you back it up with hard evidence.

Sirius 18-04-2012 11:55
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415573)
That explains you political views, while I think the person who you were talking about did not deserve to suffer from them, there were a lot of people that were scabs that did not help they fellow miners (if I was a miner then, I would be joining the strike, even if I disagreed with them)
However the fact that the union management for that area knew what had happened and admitted that my father was not a scab. Never did they offer any apology or offered to repair his car after it was attacked and severely damaged by those *******s.

And if someone does not want to be a member of a union what gives the union the right to then set there members on the non members ??

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35415580)
In your opinion ,stop stating opinion as fact unless you back it up with hard evidence.
Fry does not know what facts are unless they are based on his made up fantasies

Alan Fry 18-04-2012 11:56
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35415580)
In your opinion ,stop stating opinion as fact unless you back it up with hard evidence.
You and your friends do that anyway...

Sirius 18-04-2012 11:56
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415573)
That explains you political views
And as usual your WRONG again :rolleyes:

Alan Fry 18-04-2012 11:57
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35415582)
However the fact that the union management for that area knew what had happened and admitted that my father was not a scab. Never did they offer any apology or offered to repair his car after it was attacked and severely damaged by those *******s.

And if someone does not want to be a member of a union what gives the union the right to then set there members on the non members ??

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Fry does not know what facts are unless they are based on his made up fantasies
Well that is a act of wrong doing there :(

martyh 18-04-2012 12:01
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415573)
That explains you political views, while I think the person who you were talking about did not deserve to suffer from them, there were a lot of people that were scabs that did not help they fellow miners (if I was a miner then, I would be joining the strike, even if I disagreed with them)
My father was a miner right up to '96 (retired) all through the strike he kept on telling me that the strike was wrong and it would kill the mining industry .There was a lot of resentment in the staffordshire pits towards Scargill and his attitude that he should be able to bring a government down at the expense of the miners .Make no mistake that Scargill used the miners for his own political ends and to further the power trip he was on .Think about it Alan ,why do think there where so many strike breakers ?

Osem 18-04-2012 12:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35415592)
My father was a miner right up to '96 (retired) all through the strike he kept on telling me that the strike was wrong and it would kill the mining industry .There was a lot of resentment in the staffordshire pits towards Scargill and his attitude that he should be able to bring a government down at the expense of the miners .Make no mistake that Scargill used the miners for his own political ends and to further the power trip he was on .Think about it Alan ,why do think there where so many strike breakers ?
You are joking aren't you? :D

Sirius 18-04-2012 12:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415588)
Well that is a act of wrong doing there :(
By who ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415573)
there were a lot of people that were scabs that did not help they fellow miners (if I was a miner then, I would be joining the strike, even if I disagreed with them)

I then asked this

Quote:
And if someone does not want to be a member of a union what gives the union the right to then set there members on the non members ??
Care to answer my question

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35415592)
My father was a miner right up to '96 (retired) all through the strike he kept on telling me that the strike was wrong and it would kill the mining industry .There was a lot of resentment in the staffordshire pits towards Scargill and his attitude that he should be able to bring a government down at the expense of the miners .Make no mistake that Scargill used the miners for his own political ends and to further the power trip he was on .Think about it Alan ,why do think there where so many strike breakers ?
:clap:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35415595)
You are joking aren't you? :D
It did make me chuckle :)

Alan Fry 18-04-2012 12:14
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35415592)
My father was a miner right up to '96 (retired) all through the strike he kept on telling me that the strike was wrong and it would kill the mining industry .There was a lot of resentment in the staffordshire pits towards Scargill and his attitude that he should be able to bring a government down at the expense of the miners .Make no mistake that Scargill used the miners for his own political ends and to further the power trip he was on .Think about it Alan ,why do think there where so many strike breakers ?
The Government started the whole thing by closing mines and putting 20,000 out of work, sure Scargill was trying to do another 1974, but there was good reason, I mean if you worked in a mine and you were told you would lose you job (without alternative employment) what would you have done?

As for why they were Strike breakers, maybe they had enough of strikes, maybe they needed to earn money (a year without pay can hit you hard) or maybe they knew they were facing a losing battle

martyh 18-04-2012 12:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35415595)
You are joking aren't you? :D
I know ,what was thinking .It realy annoys me though because he hasn't got a clue ,he didn't live through it ,and he hasn't even researched it and yet he is prepared to insult those who did by saying stupid things like this "there were a lot of people that were scabs"

Alan Fry 18-04-2012 12:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35415596)
By who ?




I then asked this



Care to answer my question[COLOR="Silver"]
If I was not a member of the miners union I would still go on strike, because a lot of people were

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35415610)
I know ,what was thinking .It realy annoys me though because he hasn't got a clue ,he didn't live through it ,and he hasn't even researched it and yet he is prepared to insult those who did by saying stupid things like this "there were a lot of people that were scabs"
I was around when the Strike happened and I have looked carefully at it, I just don't agree with you

Sirius 18-04-2012 12:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35415610)
I know ,what was thinking .It realy annoys me though because he hasn't got a clue ,he didn't live through it ,and he hasn't even researched it and yet he is prepared to insult those who did by saying stupid things like this "there were a lot of people that were scabs"
Facts, Research and Common sense are three items missing from all of his posts.

martyh 18-04-2012 12:19
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415608)
The Government started the whole thing by closing mines and putting 20,000 out of work
Which government ?

Sirius 18-04-2012 12:20
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415613)
If I was not a member of the miners union I would still go on strike, because a lot of people were[COLOR="Silver"]
That is not what i asked and you know it so here it is again

And if someone does not want to be a member of a union what gives the union the right to then set there members on the non members ??

Was that clear enough for you

Alan Fry 18-04-2012 12:23
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35415619)
Which government ?
The Conservative Government of Margaret Thatcher of 1983-1987

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35415623)
That is not what i asked and you know it so here it is again

And if someone does not want to be a member of a union what gives the union the right to then set there members on the non members ??

Was that clear enough for you
Because they are in the same situation as the union member and they are not helping the union member active their goals, anyway a lot of the miner were union members

Sirius 18-04-2012 12:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415625)
The Conservative Government of Margaret Thatcher of 1983-1987

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Because they are in the same situation as the union member and they are not helping the union member active their goals, anyway a lot of the miner were union members
So because you are not answering the question i will answer for you based on the non answer you just gave.

You have no issues with members of a union attacking non members. So you are an extremist who thinks beating people up is the answer to any strike

Alan Fry 18-04-2012 12:29
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35415630)
So because you are not answering the question i will answer for you based on the non answer you just gave.

You have no issues with members of a union attacking non members. So you are an extremist who thinks beating people up is the answer
I have answered you question, also what would you have done if you were losing you job and you had little chance of getting another job?

I don't want to beat anyone up by the way, I want to radical change via democratic means, but sadly It almost impossible to do :(

Sirius 18-04-2012 12:31
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415633)
I have answered you question, also what would you have done if you were losing you job and you had little chance of getting another job?

I
I would not beat up innocent people which is something you seem to feel is ok :mad:

MovedGoalPosts 18-04-2012 13:23
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415613)
If I was not a member of the miners union I would still go on strike
Ah the lemming mentality. One out, all out.

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415625)
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35415623)
And if someone does not want to be a member of a union what gives the union the right to then set there members on the non members ??
Because they are in the same situation as the union member and they are not helping the union member active their goals, anyway a lot of the miner were union members
How does that sit with:

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415633)
I want to radical change via democratic means, but sadly It almost impossible to do :(
You clearly have a different concept of democracy than most of us where democracy will respect the right of individuals to have a choice in their actions.

martyh 18-04-2012 13:31
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
You said,

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415608)
The Government started the whole thing by closing mines and putting 20,000 out of work,
I asked

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35415619)
Which government ?
You replied

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415625)
The Conservative Government of Margaret Thatcher of 1983-1987
So you are of the impression that Thatcher is soley responsible for closing the mines ?
In fact Alan ,Pits where closing from the 1960's onwards by all governments including labour,who closed about 30 pits between '74 and '79 ,Thatcher was completing a program that had begun 20yrs ago .

Chris 18-04-2012 13:50
Re: major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights
 
Please STOP bumping current affairs threads just because you were not able to contribute to them while they were actually current.

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