The Voice or BGT
 

This is what Tv entertainment is about, competition The Voice on BBC1 or Britain's Got Talent on ITV.

Will it be Simon Cowell or Tom Jones as the victor, I think that The Voice is nicking a bit of BGT for example they will have four judges, Tom Jones is well past it, compared to Simon Cowell who knows talent when he See's it.

He has had more stars from his shows together ie Susan Boyle, Will Young and Alexandra Burke who have gone onto International stardom.

So what stars have come from BBC shows ?

I think it will be a big battle, But BGT will have the same pull as it did last time, from the adverts l have seen on The Voice it does not look very cheap and produced very cheaply compared to BGT.

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TV Entertainment? Debatable whether either BGT or The Voice fits that description, IMO.

Tom Jones is still a good singer. He's a little old, but his album "Reload" is one of the best albums I've heard in the last few years.

As for Simon Cowell, yes he has had a couple of international hits. Leona Lewis, Susan Boyle etc, how many people has he seen?

Remember, he has been doing essentially the same show (with minor variations in the voting and/or the number of judges) since Pop Stars, which was over ten years ago now.

I researched this on Wikepedia a few months back, and was suprised to find how FEW of the people who won or came between 2nd and 10th on these compotitions are actually still famous. Bear in mind that that list contains up to 1,000 contestants, how many would you say? 500? 100? Nope. IIRC, there were less than 50. 50 out of 1,000. Not good odds, is it?

The problem (from the point of view of the artists) is that Simon Cowell's primary interest is his own TV career. Yes, there are exceptions, such as Leona Lewis and Alexandra Burke (who did, by all accounts, leave SyCo for this reason), but in general, he doesn't seem interested in any particular act beyond the year guaranteed as a prize. He doesn't seem interested in helping them build a long term career.

As such, he is exploiting the dreams of a lot of people.

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I'll be sticking pins in my eyes, although we (Mrs & I) have said we will watch the voice just to see if the format works. But generally these types of programs really dont do it for me.

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In these days of PVRs, sky plusses,and Tivos, ratings are obsolete,they mean nothing except copy in the tabloids most people who are interested in this type of entertainment(?) will surley watch both,and my guess is that the ITV version will be recorded then watched without adverts.

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Well I like BGT because I like a bit of variety.

I wouldn't judge BGT against the voice.

However, I think the voice is miles better, after only one show, than the torrid xfactor

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Never been into these sorts of shows except for Strictly Come Dancing. Watched The Voice which actually managed to capture my interest. Seems to have neatly avoided the cringe-worthy humiliation of contestants by weeding out the total no hopers.

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Watched The Voice over BGT, amazing AMAZING it was.

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I avoid The Voice and BGT.

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"The Voice" is the first programme of it's type that I have ever watched in full. Much better than either BGT or TXF.

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I enjoyed BGT, not so sure about The Voice.

I don't think The Voice can be compared with BGT as it is a different type of show.

Comparing The Voice to X-Factor is more like it I think.

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Thought the Voice wasn't going to have any sob stories in it?

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Doesn't stop people trying though :(

Still not really the same at all.

The reasons for someone writing the music as they do, or wanting to pursue a singing career, is not the same thing at all; IMO :)

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Sorry but the whole build up was how it's all about the voice nothing else matters. I heard at least two different judges, sorry "coaches", say there would be no sob stories. Second person out, "I've no hair" boo hoo. Wear a wig love if it bothers you that much.
The fact that both her and Jessie J were crying makes that, quite literally, a sob story.

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And indeed it is.

They were correct.

Fourth, actually.

Yes and that's just the kind of attitude that is expected from someone who, for some reason, cannot be sympathetic to other people's problems. :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00k...les/toni-warne
That's not a "sob story" by any normal person's standards. I say well done to her for over-coming her personal problems.

No. It just means that JJ has more sympathy for her fellow human beings than you seem to have.

Which is a sob story in itself ;)

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Oh come on. If it bothers her that much don't go on national TV. If she has come to terms with her hairloss and is now proud of who she is then good for her. If not she should take a look around and be thankfull her hair is the only thing she has lost.

And tell me, if it is all about the voice, why was her Alopecia even mentioned?

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Your lack of compassion is staggering.

Because it was. We got some background on all the acts.

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Thanks :)

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Don't remember getting the medical history of any other acts. ;)

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Even for sarcasm that wasn't particularly amusing :D

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This is what irritates me about all these talent contests. The fact that this woman has alopecia has little or no bearing on her ability to sing. Unless we are being manipulated into feeling sorry for her, then the information is irrelevant.

If we are being manipulated into feeling sorry for her, the contest itself stops being about the singing. For a talent contest supposedly based on people's ability to sing, that that is not a good thing.

I am not picking on this woman in particular, or any of the contestants, actually. Just the cynical, manipulative (both the constestants and the viewers are, IMO, manipulated) way these contests are run.

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It's more about motivation than bearing. Gives us a little insight and allows us to make a connection with the person.

As far as I know, the judges have not been told anything about the contestants at this stage (something I assumed anyway) so....

... it's not a problem.

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I'll admit that my comments, while they used a contestant from The Voice as an example, were aimed primarily at the various talent contest run by Cowell.

However, it seems that the selections for The Voice are at least partially controlled by the public. The public are often more likely to vote for someone percieved as an underdog. The Cowell shows play this up, and it seems that The Voice may start doing this as well.

Hence my comments about cynically manipulating the public.

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I watch Bouth Show but miss the First 20 mis of B G T cat be bouthd to record it to Sand I TV a Massger B G t shod Start @8.30 affre The Vice

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Fair enough. The Voice is so different there's nothing to compare it to.

Impossible because the public don't get a say (ie a vote) in "The Voice" until the third and final stage of the competition :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00k96j4/features/about

Which do not apply in this case.

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Oh for goodness sake. ALL talent shows on TV are exploitative.They always have been all the way back to Opportunity Knocks and New Faces.

Don't kid yourselves that the latest crop are anything different.

Saturday evenings consequently have been boring for the last 40+ years. :zzz:

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I thought it was Simon Fuller, not Cowell that was responsible for Popstars and Idol? Cowell was only a judge on Idol.

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True, it was. However, Simon Cowell has repeated the format.

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I personally rather BGT, simply because it offers variety and laughs
the voice is a knock off from the x factor I think, oh without the famous Mr Cowell!!

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Somewhat like trying to compare a Variety Show with a Concert.

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I dunno... Multiple singers auditioning in front of a group of people who get to coach them, then decide if they go through to the next round. Sounds like any number of talent shows to me, with or without Cowell..
All that means is the production team get longer to manipulate the public.
They do. See reason above.

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BGT wins by a mile for me, The Voice will end up like Fame Academy, the BBC won't lavish any money on these types of shows like BGT or The X Factor.

I watched the the Voice once and turned it over, fancy listening to the acts with your backs to them.

No Simon Cowell might think he is god, but when he puts on show's he makes it entertainment.

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Would have to be blindfolded with ear defenders on to watch any of Sicos shows. Cannot abide humiliation TV.

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You really need to try a MOSH PIT and try to hear them from the floor:D

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Wrong Channel as for Humiliation TV is to be Bound and gagged:confused: