papers tomorrow Coalition roads motorways and trunk roads to be leased+tolls
 

http://twitpic.com/8y7vt0

The media full headlines main frontpage will be on this madcap idea.

Roads will be leased under new scheme

http://twitpic.com/8y7n00

http://twitpic.com/8y75no

http://twitpic.com/8y70pr

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Can it get any more stupid are we see bunch loonies in charge. How far they going to go before they completely destroy this country.

Talk about attacking everyone at same time to disarray the people so the looney policies get in.

No doubt all these roads will have tolls to avoid them would take a week to get from 1 end country to the other.

So now we have it they want NHS for privailage they want now OUR roads to.

The implecations this stupidiest policy is FOOD would SKY ROCKET. I can only imagine how much this would cost motorists/lorries/buses and business.

Welcome to the looney world of our coalition I now think they on wrecking spree.

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If you actually read the stories you have linked to you would realise that this will only apply to new roads or motorways built not existing ones ,so if you don't want to pay the toll use a non tolled road ,it's quite clear in the Daily Mail link you supplied

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I sometimes wonder whether Dave has a mental illness but people are just too polite to question it.

anyway. should be fun. don't know which one though. Dave being dragged out of the house screaming, or the big rebellion.

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What's wrong with the idea ?,we already have toll roads and tunnels in the UK so what's wrong with building a few more ,the system works well in France and other countries

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nope some of those paper headlines what you can see in the write up stateting that roads are going to be leased.

Reputable ones said it would be leased the guardian saying roads will be leased. So did the financial times.

http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Break..._Sky_News_team

There seems to be two policies one which will create some new roads from private sector. Another reported by the other papers to lease existing road stock.

Either way its madness expect our lories transporting vital FOOD to pay more.

Lets wait till carnage comes along tomorrow.

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They going to lease the stock toll it net result EVERYTHING GOES UPPPPP. Its not just new roads which will be tolled there getting rid existing road network to private hands.

There people now struggling financially they cant afford things going up. We goto try make the country cheaper to live by reducing value housing. driving prices down. All we seeing is policies which will make this country living standards skyrocket. We cant afford another housing boom we cant afford food to go up.

Dear britian going to get alot dearer very soon if this hairbrained idea shoved through.

Wake up martyh open your eyes.

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Nearly every extra day you've been alive the cost of living your life has gone up. in a few weeks you might not have enough money left to buy food in order to keep you alive to pay the cost of everyday life.

they didn't think of that one, did they?

It's easy to say to avoid the extra toll lane. but I don't think it will be that simple.

Re: papers tomorrow Coalition roads motorways and trunk roads to be leased+tolls
 

a) It's just this at the moment.
b)No extra cost for users for existing roads.c) Although

Re: papers tomorrow Coalition roads motorways and trunk roads to be leased+tolls
 

Try reading the articles first.

From The Times.

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Build new roads and charging the already overcharge motorist will just make them use the small roads.

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There are names given for groups of animals, 2 come to mind to describe our current politicians for some of the crazy ideas they come up with, they are a Parliament of owls and a congress of baboons. For sure when, not if, this so called part privatisation of our roads comes about the 2 groups describe them exactly.

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Would people rather they raised taxes to pay for these new roads, and for improvements to existing roads?

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This is a good idea IMO. Works well in France.

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Why can't this funding come from the road fund license and the vast amount of fuel duty that is paid on petrol and diesel? as we are already the most overtaxed motorists in Europe

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Of course not, they would sooner whinge and whine about lack of infrastructure ,the state of the roads and the lack of action from the government .Personally i think it is a very workeable idea ,it's something that should have been done years ago

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It will

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Don't hold your breath on that one will you.......

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:tu:

Not to mention misrepresenting the facts to suit their agenda. I'd been wondering what Alastair Campbell and his mates had been up to lately..... :D

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You don't really expect a coherent answer to that question do you? :D

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I can't see a problem with this as long as controls are put in place to ensure that the companies who are involved are kept under strong scrutiny to ensure that they do not merely view the process as a way to create lucrative Cash Cows rather than decent roads.

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Nope ,i'm getting used to certain posters posting garbage about government ideas simply because they are government ideas .Wait till AF wakes up and his butler reads the papers to him he's gonna have a fit :D

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we pay enough martyh if they USED EVERY PENNY in the first place not PUT DOWN RUBBISH and PROPER tarmac the roads would been FINE. Governments down the years they are the ones raped the motorist dry nicked the money for god KNOWS now say MOTORIST got pay more.

So WHEN FOOD other things GO up DONT whinge as you support this stupid ideolgy

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You seem to be under the mis aprehension that the road tax you pay all goes on the roads ,it doesn't ,it goes into the central pot of taxes and allocated from there .If the government used only revenue from road tax we wouldn't have any decent roads at all as there is nowhere near enough money raised from road tax to cover the cost of running our road network .If you object to paying tolls on roads then don't use them

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It is disconcerting how the answer to so many issues of government appears to be with the private sector. If the private sector can make it's money and thus profit, for less than the public sector spends this suggests some incredible waste and inefficiency in the public sector, especially as you can bet there would still be a civil servant or two sitting in an ivory tower somewhere to monitor the private sector's performance, adding back to the "saved cost". One has to wonder if there is a better way to get around the vested interests of the public sector and it's unions?

As for roads, if something is a genuinely new scheme then perhaps a toll might be appropriate. It has after all allowed things like the M6 relief road to be built near Birmingham. But any upgrade to existing routes should be ruled out. As is said above the British motorist is heavily taxed, that should be more than sufficient to cover all transportation systems. If it isn't then somebody somewhere should be ashamed of their waste.

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BINGO nail on head.

I would go as far saying this soon they place tarmac down its there road. They going to want it repaid back somehow.

Accident on road told to use new road or slip road due to said accident by police. Bill in post becaues you used THERE TOLL road. It will happen. Would not suprised damage there road in accident bill for said road repairs.

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Not really ,profit in business is created by efficiency ,government run services like the road network are "not for profit" ventures .If this happens then i bet you won't see a forest of cones on a toll road on bank holidays ,you will see a increase in night time works ,we may even get the A1 dueled all the way to scotland currently scrapped by central government due to cost but a private company would make a killing

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Well it should the governments only got this mess themselves to blame for underfunded repairs.

If they done proper job since the last cuts in repairs roads would be fine. Most time they put cheap stonechip down then miffed why six months it ruts half chips on wheels around the place cut people smashed windows chipped paint. Six months another gang do another job another cheap surface down which they prey lasts little longer.

You would be suprised how much is wasted not doing proper job in first place. Lost count some our roads have had to be replaced 2 to 3 times in 10 years some last 6 months due to bodging due to underfunding.

If we threw the right funds in first place they would last as long the original roads. Only reason why potholes occur is poor road management. See crack repair it dont let it get worse. Another is they repair little 1 metre squares which weake the road integrity. Often seen repairs where they not been rolled properly not even edged them which means they will chip and crumble.

Go out see the shocking workmanship at times road sunk slight they dont put new under surface to build it up again. I blame bosses they give them short timeframes to do the job result not done adequately.

If they do good job road should last years again. Too many cutting corners done this from underfunding not done properly not rolled properly even forgetting or not edging making sure surface is not sunk causing dips.

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The road fund licence has not covered the cost of building/maintaining roads since the 1930's .

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Another reason why to be very concerned M6 has already got HUGE issues.

M6 debt already causing concern this next to second largest city. There simply not enough USING it causing concerns of low yields this road already worrying investors.

Take look at this evidence this will be financial nightmare. Santander, credit acricole and banco espirito are all looking to bail. They already want to sell the debt to some lemon out there. No doubt the lemon will be the uk tax payer. Why its already happened with another debt road toll failure.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d0d22e02-d...44feabdc0.html

It happened with humber bridge the debt could never be paid off tolls was spiralling simply due to lack numbers using it.

So the government bought half the debt of the bridge board reduced tolls by half. To hope more use the bridge to turn things around.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-16955516

Now if this will happen down the road as companies make killing by running debt building the thing. Struggle to surface the debt and make enough from tolls/charges. Then down the road the serviving government will have to bail the road infrastructure out by buying the debt.

This could HAUNT US further down the road.

It so obvious as its already looking M6 heading the same way the government already doing this with humber bridge.

Re: papers tomorrow Coalition roads motorways and trunk roads to be leased+tolls
 

Read the stories, come on if those paper's have pictures :D

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I no longer use it because it costs FAR to much.

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You would be daft ever to use the M6 Toll unless it was somehow unavoidable - I only used it once, to visit family who lived right next to one of its exits. It was late at night and I had a car load of sleepy children. Otherwise I'd have taken my chances with the surrounding A roads.

For longer journeys I traverse between the M6 and the M1 using the A50 between Stoke and Derby or just take a punt on the M6 through Birmingham.

For all these reasons the M6 Toll was doomed from day one. We must either have a comprehensive route network of tolled motorways - with mile-for-mile costs similar to those in Europe and not the eye-watering levy imposed on the M6 Toll - or no toll roads at all. One easily-bypassed toll road is pointless.

Personally I'm against toll roads. The amount of travelling people can do is already heavily restricted by taxation on fuel and VED. However I note that today's feverish Press coverage does not report that we are poised to get a toll network, simply that private companies might be allowed to manage our roads and earn incentives, paid by the treasury, if they are good at it.

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Who will pay for the land?

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The problem with the M6 toll road is that it is only realy effective during rush hours if you want to by pass birmingham ,any other time it doesn't really provide any time saving for the cost and couple that with the huge increase of traffic on other roads as road users use them instead because of financial reasons and the road rapidly becomes unprofitable .

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That's my point ,simply using VED to raise money for roads as was the original intention ,would be nowhere near enough IIRC VED only raises 5-6 billion and that is put in the general tax pot not ring fenced for road use only ,that's why fuel tax is there ,to offset the shortfall in VED .We also need the excess taxes raised from road taxes to fund things like the NHS and welfare so the only way to build new roads or properly maintain roads is to take money from those services or raise taxes in general ,or build toll roads

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indeed coupled with the how shocking our road repairs system is I am sure those costs could be reduced with doing proper job in first place. companies not working together like new road gets laid weeks later the usual gas, cable, electric, water company digs the bloomin thing up leaves it in shocking state.

Coupled with years mis managed councils like ours had budget for road repairs which was going to taken at end april if not used. So waste it on crazy traffic carming cycle schemes . One has cycle track which if cyclist adhere to would hit the trees as they slap in them. Also dig up perfectly good roads just because you running out time even when others needed it first. Our council done this stupid trick for years then moan when side streets in desperate repair.

We found money to reduce all the roads in towns 20mph planned traffic carming measures yet wont repair roads in disrepair.

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problem is you cant deny alternatives you cant force it on the motorists.

The other is out pricing the market is another stupid issues companies naturally want there investment back but sometimes they never will or its too long in coming.

Take the humber bridge it was never ever going to be financial viable tolls dearer the M6 if your in haulage/transportation goods or buses. Still it dont make enough to fund debt management and its maintenance.

I doubt if they even half the tolls which is planned will make jot difference as you goto try double traffic just to ofset the cut. If the currently funding not enough then realistically triple or quad the volume is needed. Its not the car traffic too they need haulers those who pay higher end toll.

When you consider this bridge if you need to get hull from lincolnshire cant be avoided. You can go via goole or even be mad enough m180 to roundabout then m18, m62 but costs more money to do so in fuel usage.

This there prices at present before it will be halfed

motorcycles 1.30
Cars 3.00
goods vehicle depending on weight 5.40, 12.10,16.20, 20.30

All one way costs.

This quite camparable to charges m6 both been utter failures one M6 companies planning to bail as they not getting enough funds. The other government had to bail it out due to interests on debt not enough funds being collected due to high prices but feel more to it.

Now these the only 2 guides of toll system in uk. As both in trouble I cant see any system working.

As matter interest where do you suggest those tolls to go what price point do you market these things.

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The problem at the moment is that any toll roads/bridges/tunnels are just single items they are not part of a tolled network and so are pretty much useless at money making .

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You would have to take haulage and public transport out this costing else it would harm the economy with food/goods going through roof. The net result car traffic would then not make the thing viable for private enteprise.

Anyway hit on my google search a RAC survey on road use one things is about pay as you go ie tolls motorways major roads. Its clear this would not be supported.

http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/...-062010pdf.pdf

Shows the government going have difficult time selling this to the motorists.

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I agree that haulage and would need special treatment .It would be unrealistic to expect a haulage company to pay for VED ,operators licence and fuel tax on top of road tolls for motorways .Possibly greatly reducing VED for haulage companies.Public transport not so much an issue as they don't go on motorways anyway as a rule

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Some do not many national coaches I would say is public transport which do but grey area if you call it public transport now. Ours does for local interlink rural bus services only for one junction as its A road that turns to motorway.

Problem once you exemp certain traffic or subsidise it dont become viable for either business or government. The shortfall would have to be met by higher charges.

Re: papers tomorrow Coalition roads motorways and trunk roads to be leased+tolls
 

Do that when ever i go down to Robs for a NTHWgaming Lan, Far quicker and less stressful than going anywhere near Birmingham :)

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Or the profits are made by forming cabals and milking the customer and I thought the idea was to provide competition, well there's only one Mtwentywhatever and you can guarantee the independent regulator will be as useless as the energy one.

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The QE2 bridge makes millions every day and we were told once it was paid for it'd be free to use...

Re: papers tomorrow Coalition roads motorways and trunk roads to be leased+tolls
 

just to be pedantic the tolls on the QE2 bridge ended on 31st march 2002 ,after that date the bridge was subject to road user charging under the transport act 2000 which also covers congestion charging in london .So it's not a toll it's a charge and don't ask me what the difference is ;)

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Difference is everytime we let government get into bed with private business we're the only ones that get screwed, the energy companies, PFI, Annington Housing, the railways etc etc etc everytime we are told it'll be good for us and each time it's basically a give away that we pay through the nose for and if we stand for it again we must be the mugs they take us for.

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Just wish public transport was cheaper and better run..:erm: Driving has become a pain in the bum.

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You need a comfy seat:D:D:D

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we can blame another privitisation the buses. Sheffield had the best system 5p anywhere people used it in there droves till thatcher snatcher turned up. Now we got here nemesis he shafting the country further than she ever dared on some premesis the country broke.

Thats one thing needs re-nationalising the bus service while stupid idiots in charge we got no chance.

What cameron on is drugged or drunk apparantly championed the water privatisation on why the roads should go the same. Noticed not similar like for like comparision like train system fiasco. When we nit pick the water privatisation is fiasco yes maybe the profits. Why there been no investment into our infrastructure. Alot been hopeless in repairs to leaks. We would be not looking at hospipeban if they upgraded the system. Another stupid privatisation. I am half expecting taxation on air exhailed we doing everything else.

I think he definate needs the white coats and straight jacket took to the nearest mental hospital he gone stark raving bonkers.

Like the privatised trains we will no doubt be subsidising rubbish to more than what we was paying before privitisation. If cameron thinks he going give his buddies 6bn to nick in the sunset then its about time finally country wakes up. As the profits go into these rich the investment, repairs budget will shrink. Government will then subsidise these garbage companies as they fleese country bleed it dry. Its whats happening in the trains some other privatised companies. Very few ended up better service most ended up going cap in hand to the government for a bailout.

You can literally see the future it looks horrible.

Someone should ask cameron why no money for the roads wheres the VED and fuel duty surely you took cake to do what it says on the tin.

This is comment found spot on it is

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All this is to save the Tories ( l won't mention Libs, as they are just puppets for Cameron) spending money, We pay enough road tax and fuel duty in this country which should be covering this building costs, but Cameron is creaming this off.

We have a toll road already in the midlands, we have toll bridges which make a fortune each day. If the government introduce this on new motorways, what will happen if its a success, they will try there hardest to implement on ALL motorways.

This charge will effect major companies, that use the road for haulage, prices will go up and force companies out of business.

Now what other tax can they think of, oh yes, how many we use the loos each day, new tyres - a tax can go on that, MOTs can go up, or how many prisoners go to prison each day, we can pay a tax on how many - that's how silly this government would be in a bid to get more tax out of us.

Re: papers tomorrow Coalition roads motorways and trunk roads to be leased+tolls
 

Arthur, the only money the Government has is what it gets from taxes - so if it saves money, it is saving us, the taxpayers, money....