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mertle 18-03-2012 10:29

Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17419609

Wow this very interesting development we could have upto 240 Doctors set to stand in next general election against coalisition MP's.

Personally would love this to grow take all MP's out Labour/LibDem and conservative they all should rot in political wilderness. I would vote for them we might just have our political vote next time I hope this Grows..

Dr Clive Peedell, a cancer specialist and co-chair of the NHS Consultants' Association, organised the letter.
He told the newspaper he had originally hoped to get just 50 names.
Dr Peedell said the group would field "as many candidates as possible" at the general election, with other supporters acting in administrative and fundraising roles.

Dash: CF noob 18-03-2012 10:33

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Then who treats the sick?

mertle 18-03-2012 10:39

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
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Originally Posted by Dash: CF noob (Post 35401707)
Then who treats the sick?

shows you how many doctors willing to sacrifice there trade to take the fight to those politians.

240 Doctors willing to do this shows the level feelings about the bill.

Its sad sad state of affairs why cant the government sit down with all concerned make policy which is good for patients not there private friends and there own private health firms.

Hugh 18-03-2012 10:40

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
They said the same in 2009 - BBC
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At least three members of the British Medical Association’s Council are among up 50 doctors said to be considering launching a political career under the umbrella group “Healthy Independents”.

Sirius 18-03-2012 10:41

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35401704)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17419609

Wow this very interesting development we could have upto 240 Doctors set to stand in next general election against coalisition MP's.

Personally would love this to grow take all MP's out Labour/LibDem and conservative they all should rot in political wilderness. I would vote for them we might just have our political vote next time I hope this Grows..

Dr Clive Peedell, a cancer specialist and co-chair of the NHS Consultants' Association, organised the letter.
He told the newspaper he had originally hoped to get just 50 names.
Dr Peedell said the group would field "as many candidates as possible" at the general election, with other supporters acting in administrative and fundraising roles.

Waste of time.

I want a doctor to treat the sick not be an MP. What happens to the sick and in fact what happens when the Doctors find out how much they can scam in expenses, They will never want to work again

Hugh 18-03-2012 10:45

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35401709)
shows you how many doctors willing to sacrifice there trade to take the fight to those politians.

240 Doctors willing to do this shows the level feelings about the bill.

Its sad sad state of affairs why cant the government sit down with all concerned make policy which is good for patients not there private friends and there own private health firms.

You appear to be quoting opinion as fact, IMHO....;)

Sirius 18-03-2012 10:45

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35401709)
shows you how many doctors willing to sacrifice there trade to take the fight to those politians.

240 Doctors willing to do this shows the level feelings about the bill.

Its sad sad state of affairs why cant the government sit down with all concerned make policy which is good for patients not there private friends and there own private health firms.

I would not vote for them as i want a MP to do his job not get elected and then NOT do his job as an MP because his time is taken up in his or her real job.

martyh 18-03-2012 10:49

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35401711)
Waste of time.

I want a doctor to treat the sick not be an MP. What happens to the sick and in fact what happens when the Doctors find out how much they can scam in expenses, They will never want to work again

I just find it strange that doctors want to oppose changes that give them more control over their budgets .

denphone 18-03-2012 10:53

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35401717)
I just find it strange that doctors want to oppose changes that give them more control over their budgets .

My problem martyh with doctors possibly controlling their own budgets is are they actually financially savvy enough to control their own financial budgets.

Sirius 18-03-2012 10:57

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35401719)
My problem martyh with doctors possibly controlling their own budgets is are they actually financially savvy enough to control their own financial budgets.

:clap:

Doctors should be Doctors.

martyh 18-03-2012 11:03

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35401719)
My problem martyh with doctors possibly controlling their own budgets is are they actually financially savvy enough to control their own financial budgets.

That doesn't matter because most have already stated that a management company will be employed to take care of that aspect ,the doctors will merely direct where the money is spent .You will have a number of surgeries in an area merged together with a management company to take care of the day to day finances

mertle 18-03-2012 11:15

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35401714)
You appear to be quoting opinion as fact, IMHO....;)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...backers-105302

http://socialinvestigations.blogspot...lation-of.html

There many MP's & Lords from both sides set to make mint out this reform.

Think if these Doctors want to make stand I will support them but they must go for those who using political privilage knowing vested interest outside there MP's status.

Starters the should stand against those on that blog who MP's not just coalition MP's.

martyh because once you get by the sweetner alot of the bill is a crock of rubbish they see it. Not all docs want the responsibilty see that they would have tell patients they cant have this due to funds drying. My GP said he dont want it but the been forced to setup part the surgery for the administration of the funding, ready for the changes. Which gets me why they doing it before the bill comes law, coalition confident it will get in.

End of the day its sad Doctors forced to do this

---------- Post added at 11:15 ---------- Previous post was at 11:12 ----------

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35401715)
I would not vote for them as i want a MP to do his job not get elected and then NOT do his job as an MP because his time is taken up in his or her real job.

I could only assume there willing to walk away from job they love to be MP's sad state affairs if thats the case.

denphone 18-03-2012 11:19

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35401721)
That doesn't matter because most have already stated that a management company will be employed to take care of that aspect ,the doctors will merely direct where the money is spent .You will have a number of surgeries in an area merged together with a management company to take care of the day to day finances

l am afraid l don't share your confidence in this at all and as for management companies being employed to take care of that aspect well thay does not fill me with confidence if l am to be perfectly honest.

Sirius 18-03-2012 11:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35401727)

I could only assume there willing to walk away from job they love to be MP's sad state affairs if thats the case.

Or they want a piece of the pie themselves ;)

martyh 18-03-2012 11:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35401734)
l am afraid l don't share your confidence in this at all and as for management companies being employed to take care of that aspect well thay does not fill me with confidence if l am to be perfectly honest.

I don't understand your objection to a person trained in finance control ,controlling finance ,every company has accountants so why would a gp consortia be any different ,this will explain it better


Quote:


Each consortium will have an accountable officer. It is important that all
organisations spending public money are able to account fully and transparently
for their use of public funds. The role of the accountable officer is key to this in
ensuring that the organisation:
• Operates effectively, economically and with probity
• Makes good use of its resources
• Keeps proper accounts.
This is a key role in governance terms and with the support of the chief financial
officer, will involve ensuring that there are arrangements in place to keep robust
financial records at consortia level and consolidate individual practice accounts;
a sound system of internal control is established and maintained; the necessary
financial records are retained; financial considerations are taken fully into
account in decision making and constituent practices are held to account in
meeting their objectives. The accountable officer will therefore be pivotal to
ensuring that the consortium meets its statutory duties and will in turn be
accountable to the NHS Commissioning Board as clearly stated in Liberating the
NHS: Legislative framework and next steps:
‘ The NHS Commissioning Board in turn will hold the individual Accountable
Officers of each consortium responsible for their share of the total funding

Quote:


allocation, and this will include the duty to achieve financial balance.’




Hugh 18-03-2012 14:30

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35401734)
l am afraid l don't share your confidence in this at all and as for management companies being employed to take care of that aspect well thay does not fill me with confidence if l am to be perfectly honest.

You do realise that Doctor's Surgeries (and GP-led Health Centres) are already privately owned and run as small businesses, don't you? (either by one doctor, a group of doctors, or a Management company) - the practice then claims from NHS Primary Care Organisation, with the money going to the Practice, rather than being contracted with individual doctors....

BMA

Arthurgray50@blu 18-03-2012 20:55

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Hugh, for once can you get off your soap box, IF all these Doctors are going to stand against the government in the next election against this idiotic Health bill, doesn't this tell you something.

I will vote for them, this government are thinking of one thing - get rid of the NHS and lets all go private, and guaranteed most of Camerons cronies will get most of the funds to get it going, and poor old joe miggins will get let on the shelf.

There are plenty of Private health companies out there that are making money out of the sick, instead of getting it from the NHS, which was set up to look after the poor, which is now being ripped to pieces by Cameron - just as the Iron Lady did when she was in power.

martyh 18-03-2012 21:10

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35401951)
Hugh, for once can you get off your soap box, IF all these Doctors are going to stand against the government in the next election against this idiotic Health bill, doesn't this tell you something.
.


Maybe the doctors are worried about being held accountable for poor service .You yourself have been very vocal about the rubbish service you have recieved in the past from your gp and local hospital ,the changes are designed to give the GP's total control of 80% of the entire NHS budget ,in other words Athur ,the spending power is being taken out of government hands and given to the GP's ,who do you think will spend it wiser ?

Hugh 18-03-2012 21:23

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35401951)
Hugh, for once can you get off your soap box, IF all these Doctors are going to stand against the government in the next election against this idiotic Health bill, doesn't this tell you something.

I will vote for them, this government are thinking of one thing - get rid of the NHS and lets all go private, and guaranteed most of Camerons cronies will get most of the funds to get it going, and poor old joe miggins will get let on the shelf.

There are plenty of Private health companies out there that are making money out of the sick, instead of getting it from the NHS, which was set up to look after the poor, which is now being ripped to pieces by Cameron - just as the Iron Lady did when she was in power.

Arthur, no soapbox, polemic or political slant was given - I was stating facts from the BMA (British Medical Association) website; the BMA is, and I quote from their website, the professional medical association and trade union for doctors and medical students (whose slogans is "Standing Up For Doctors").

Now I know you don't like providing links to your posts, but at least have the common courtesy to click on those that others provide, before you go off on a rant - there's a good lad.

Now, if the facts don't fit with your version of reality, I'd bet on the facts....;)

Damien 18-03-2012 21:46

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
I understand their frustration and, having previously ignored the fuss over the NHS, I am now quite worried. I am getting more and more concerned that the Government is using the cover of a recession and 'updating the NHS' as an excuse to make ideologically driven cuts and to increase privatisation.

But this is a stupid idea. All they will do is spilt the vote and not from the Tories. Most of their voters will likely come from either Labour or the Lib Dems, if they stood in swing seats then they may actually be a massive electoral gift to the tories.

Sirius 18-03-2012 21:50

Re: Doctors set to stand as candidates in next general election
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35401951)
Hugh, for once can you get off your soap box, IF all these Doctors are going to stand against the government in the next election against this idiotic Health bill, doesn't this tell you something.

I will vote for them, this government are thinking of one thing - get rid of the NHS and lets all go private, and guaranteed most of Camerons cronies will get most of the funds to get it going, and poor old joe miggins will get let on the shelf.

There are plenty of Private health companies out there that are making money out of the sick, instead of getting it from the NHS, which was set up to look after the poor, which is now being ripped to pieces by Cameron - just as the Iron Lady did when she was in power.

You have a brass neck saying get off your soap box, You need to look at yourself.

If my doctor does this I will move to one that is doing his job as a doctor and not moonlighting as an MP as well. I have enough problems getting an appointment without him doing another job as well


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