Welfare bill becomes law: Cameron, your deceitful lies will catch you
 

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/press...wp023-12.shtml

Notice again another news blackout this horrendous passing of the final hurdle. No because the media KNOW lies by the coalitiion passed from these hypocrites mouths. Bunch fascist crooks in power decided to put britian into 1930's Germany.

Should disabled peaceful protest to the royals for passing the worst bill in years to be passed.

It makes you sick whats going on how these bigoted I really want to swear destroying safety nets GENUININE DISABLED for those bigoted poster on here.

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Now it begins.
the idea is to get as many people off the highest paying benefits and put onto lowerpaid benefits. or to reduce the money they are paid by any means they can.

I bet the DWP are on the phones now "Hello, I want to have a quick chat with you to see if I can find a way of reducing your benefits"

'Notes to Editors' says it all.

No longer will it be possible to be better off on benefits than in work.
(if taking a job meant you were worse off, the obvious thing is to reduce what you were getting on the dole so that job pays more now)

a new £50 civil penalty in cases of claimant error
(loads and loads of fines then. we love fines. it's what keeps the country sane and running)

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But then again, probably not....

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I took my disabled son for his first monthly post-ESA assessment interview yesterday. It all went very well until the last statement:

"Bad things are coming for you with Universal Credit and Personal Independance Payments."

And the interviewer looked genuinely saddened.

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Sorry :(

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Remember to NOT vote Tory, Lib dem or Labour next time there is an election

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feel free to edit it for me then but there is sometimes you cant as there limit on what you can do which happened before on thread which got accused it made no sense you need to go text speak at times.

I am disgusted at royals for this openess of giving her subjects who need help a good kicking.

I am officially now no longer supporter of the queen she let down many many people. Lords can goto hell too for destroying many disabled lives. I hope the lot rot in hell.

One of the disgraceful moves in the bill was removal of the giving a crisis loan to those who dont realise think it was handout its PAID back every penny.

Then the propaganda media never enphasised this made it sound like free junket. People used it to get fridges, even new suit for interviews to look smart. These vunerable now got only loan sharks left to goto.

I found this website on pip alot disabled now organising the fight for there rights. Sadly some the charities got juped it still going on with styche. I would question who those charities where who supported proposals there background if they came from middle class did they ever have true support of the disabled. I am questioning everything think the whole thing smells rotten to the core.

http://wearespartacus.org.uk/pip/

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So very sad to hear this.

Sounds like you got good un there is some ATOS staff out there who are good but they overshadowed by the evil out there who dont do there job properly. Which throws the system into complete lottery.

Sad state affairs did you look at my I am spartan link there is PIP assesment link to DWP at the top. Its a second draft but will give idea what your up against.

Its clearly going to be aimed at dropping 50% claims someone posting underneath has to use a machine due unable speak said under this he would get paltry 2pts for this area of his assesment.

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There is no solution.
the country will have to suffer the consequences of Dave now.
a very high percentage of people are going to lose out. there will be no winners in this.

crime will dramatically rise. that includes violence and theft.
don't kid yourself and think this won't happen, it will.

Dave is the 21st century Hitler. and he won't stop till he makes sure that he gets talked about long after his death. :D

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At least we have friends :)

Anyway i bet we don't hear this after they have removed all the benefits " Good News tax payers we can reduce your tax now we don't pay out as much to the ones who need it most"

It makes me sick how they are targeting those who need it most

No doubt they will find some oil owning country to bomb and therefor waste any money saved on that

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Also the only dogs of CF are defenders of a failed economic, social and political system!

There are not many jobs there and very few of them are decent jobs, why should we be prepared to reduce our standard of living just for the sake of fixing the mistakes of the rich and powerful (whose lifestyles are getting better), all we ask is that real decent jobs are created, not the unemployed put into poorly paid jobs

It is not a question of “I can’t live on that!�, but “why should I live on that?�

What is the point of democracy and capitalism when our standard of living is not improving (which is what almost everyone care about the most), I fear that other people (more extreme that me) would answer that question...

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Anyone who complains about my ideas!

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I agree that it will happen, but what will be the end result?

Certainly the Tories/Lib Dems/Labour will never be elected again

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That's a bit too extreme. what happened to a standard of living?

They don't count for nothing. :)

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On that argument I 100% agree with you on this one

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Total mayhem. suicides. rioting.

then the radical change will come.
because it has to.

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further what I said anybody interested reading up PIP reform assesment criteria.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pip-secon...teria-note.pdf


Those who need it big print

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pip-secon...arge-print.pdf

It will at least give you idea what will happen from next year.

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Can someone explain this 'Bedroom tax' baloney to me?

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If you google "bedroom tax", this appears second in the list - BBC

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Thanks. so thousands of people on benefits will fall foul of this 'tax' then.
they'd have to find the shortfall of money out of their benefits to pay this tax. which will be approx £12 a week on average.

unless they get a smaller house which the council won't have available to give them.
the government will have to increase their benefit to make up the shortfall of the minimum the law says they need to live on. (unless it's not law anymore)

I think as long as you've registered with the council that you require a smaller property. then the tax shouldn't be liable.

how long it takes them to find you that smaller property is up to them. it's not the tenants responsibility. and it would be criminal to not give them a smaller property so as to avoid the tax.

it's madness. it's almost as mad as the old window tax.

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what's this got to do with the royals ?

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Nothing if you ask me.

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What news blackout ? it's been all over the news since the coalition came to power

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I must admit I've not been short of news about this, been following it via my mp and via RNIB.

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And it was announced on the BBC last week when it passed in the House of Lords - the Royal Assent is merely a formality.

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not the formality you think she can act if its against the people. read the following although primary work with close relationships she can make here disaproval of the bill.

http://www.monarchist.org.uk/the-que...overnment.html

For people said been in the news yes lords one correct but refering to it being sanctioned by the queen.

This off topic The storms coming fear this country going down the craphole with this I am alright jack. Guess what these wont call them humanity would first to scream when the safety nets not in place anymore. I hope they drive safely from there middle upper class jobs because if they had car crash which made them disabled find there no help financial help is desperately needed due to disabilty. No would not ridicule them I would feel sorry for them but would hope they reflected on why they supported a stupid bill that they one day would rue. We need to fight this bill.

It was rushed horrid bill like many said, changes was needed to stop abuse to streamline it so people got what rightfully they could claim. Nope all we got was destruction and demolition of safety nets. Pompous lies about we will protect the real disabled rubbish.

I even question if there was different circumstances to chamerons life attacks on disabled would not happened.

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Not a mere formality?

Could you please provide an example where she has withheld Royal Assent, as it states in your link btw, you seem ignorant of the fact the Camerons' son Ivan was severely disabled, with cerebral palsy and epilepsy, and died at the age of six in 2009.

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Social Fund Crisis Loans are to be replaced by locally administered discretionary schemes.

Housing Benefit/Local Housing Allowance can legally be reduced, even if paying the shortfall in rent leads to the claimant living below the poverty line.

Housing Benefit/Local Housing Allowance are to be abolished, with claimants having to pay their rent from the new Universal Credit.

I don't believe the queen has ever exercised her right to refuse to sign a bill. There were rumours that, when Thatcher talked of privatising the Post Office in the 80's, that she said she would refuse to sign as she was reported to have said "the Royal Mail it is and the Royal Mail it will stay".

Even if this were to be true, it looks like she may have mellowed as the last Government and this coalition have talked about privatising the Post Office since then.

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what an utterly mindless, uninformed rant. If you truly believe that withholding Royal assent was even possible in these circumstances, let alone likely, then you are operating on a plane so far removed from the facts it's totally pointless even trying to argue with you.

By all means sit in a corner and stew in your Trotskyist bile. Ultimately you'll only make yourself miserable.

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Some of the policies stark raving bonkers straight out of someone who needs to be round up put in straight jacket.

http://falseeconomy.org.uk/blog/work...ean-youre-safe

Take this Part time workers

So if someone who gets less 35 hours could be subject to this or Am I mis-understanding. When a person classed fulltime or partime does this incled the SELF-Employed who hours fluctuate.

Now what will happen if you fail to comply you will be removed from working (get me straight the government will sack you) & put on JSA and the workfare. It absolute stark raving bonkers feud needs to taken away locked up.

I dont care they on tax credit they atleast working. Hell the government sucking up to there chumps wonder how many tesco staff be sacked re-employed as workfare staff.

This the time to stand up not take this.

If you want to make a change cameron increase minimum wage for kickoff.

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:tu:

I'm just surprised you could understand enough of it to conclude it's drivel....

:rofl:

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I dont like the agenda of cableforum certain posters to ridicule spiteful which clearly against cableforum rules.

I have been accused off topic warned infactions may persue yet spiteful nasty comments been allowed to be feverant one of which was cableforum team. So Chris are you and Osem being warned.

I was understanding royalty could block bills which against public to stop a government being a rampant crazy dictator. Afterall she calls us her subjects then she should have those powers to prevent another poll tax riots.

So stop this move on its getting tiresome I dont think its fare to those if this thread GETS another CLOSURE because pstupid posters.

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You were understanding incorrectly.

As was pointed out to you, this has not happened since the Royal Assent was introduced in 1707 - just because you disagree with it, doesn't mean it's wrong...

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indeed maggy.

Interesting the report which provided the basis for the White Paper on Universal Credit was created by the Economic Dependency Working Group:

David Godfrey, Chief of staff to Greg Clark (Con)
Nicholas Boys Smith (Con-home contributor and former advisor to Peter Lilley (Con))
Nick Hillman (Con)
Sara McKee (former A4E director)
Dr Peter King (Con-home contributor)
Lee Rowley (Con)
Debbie Scott (Tory peer, working alongside Lord Freud)
Corin Taylor (Taxpayers' Alliance)

Now this purge on part time workers is puzzling to say the least.

Although would love to see poster tell me if the article correct fulltime workers could also forced to lose there job.

A crazy way to look at issue if I am honest. For one they contribute yes they get topped up but at least coalition YOU only pay half which if they lost the job you would have to provide 100%. In my knowledge 50-60% support better 100%. You would actually drastically increase benefits not reduce them.

Now lets look part time who likely those who do so.

Sole Parent
Have children sole parent might want to just do part time work some cant afford full childcare might due to circumstances cant go 35hrs +

Looking after a disabled person or even elderly

Surely would not be right to try push these into fulltime position or shove them on welfare. You might say why they part time at all it maybe its there way getting break bit independance.

Disabled
They simply due to the way disibilty is unable go full time restricted to 16 hrs work. Due to its painful they need the days to rest. Dont think it would be right for these either

Those who cant find fulltime who ended up taking part time just get a job.

Then those the government identified scroungers the ones who do just enough. Again these still even if the government dont want admit to at least dont get 100%.

It seems strange rule but we still see the attack on the poor its not there fault companies only pay minimum wage less scaled for less skilled workforce. Maybe coalition talk to rich budies get better job prospects more wages and higher pay.

The other is again policy which actually will harm the economy not make it start to recover. Take that spending out of the system will make this country implode.

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I was at a RNIB meeting today where this was discussed a lot. There are certainly interesting times ahead.

As it stands there is now very little provision for people who are blind in the assessment process and even less for those who are partially sighted.

As for pip some of the companies who have tendered are apparently worse that ATOS.

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not looking good at all seems vince cable had a go at lib dem conference about conservatives backward policies harming the economy

Basically we would be better off with ATOS. I will guess

A4E was one:erm:
G4s new medical division ran by ex bouncers.
Acme corrupt co. ran by bunch of crimelords who will threaten you next of kin will be shot if you dont accept your fit for work.

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You think people's next of kin will be threatened with murder over this? I'm sure things will be bad for some but saying things such as you just did shows how little you care / understand the situation.

Perhaps it is time for you to take a break and have a rest - it will help you get some perspective.

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WHAT !!!!!:shocked: am i reading that right

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no cause suprised it was taken seriously but just making light fun of the situation just forgot to put lol or indicate it was humour.

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martyh it was little bit humour

dilligaf1701 I realise the extent how bad it is or even will be just wanted try put little lightheartedness I was wrong maybe but we all on tender hooks.

Think the nation gone to pot with this eat dog atitude caused by this horrendous policy feel those who in power failed many disabled, poor and low paid workers.

The lords was cowards to not stop it labour was awful not to fight hard against this bill. The lib/dems are slimy to side with policies that in normal circumstances they would voted hard against.

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You think suggesting murder is on the cards is funny?

If you wish to make light of it then as you say you should remember your smileys.

Still - each to their own.

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even with smilies it would have been out of order and in very poor taste imo.
It is quite obvious that people are very worried about this whole afair and making light in such a manner will only fuel such worries

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Yup I met some people while I was at my meeting today who are very worried / worked up about this.

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whether those worries are justified only time will tell and there are many differing opinions ,but it is understandable that they will be worried about a new system

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I realise it now it was stupid thing to type regardless. Like to apolagise my humour is sometimes not good.

dilligaf1701 I agree many worried I know people even who passed ATOS on support worried about losing there little independance like motorbility car. Even worried they will be worse off financially they still got bills like everyone else.

I wonder who will pay I saw could cost 850m to increase assessments. How possible can the check more frequent surely it amounts to harrassment of disabled. I all for private call to just see things are ok little chat see if there more can be done. They goto remember that there genuine disabled should they not be treated humanely civil not like they scroungers or worthless.

I wonder what motorbility scheme stance on this the DLA was clear and concise who qualified for the scheme. I dont understand why this goto be altered to be honest it worked. It helped those who cant work to have indeendance it helped those in work to get things they needed.

Replace this with what they propose surely puts this motorbility scheme in jepoardy. The way I see it motorbility would unable to work out who qualifies. Unless those who in support would qualify then wrag would need transport for there work. Unless we are accept those in wrag/support are previous high rate DLA claiments all would qualify for this.

Problem this also provided carers allowance would assume this will continue with the personal assessment.

I think the coalition will find this condensing the financial assist for claiments all fit one shoe idea problematic.

Surely be pointless if those disabled long term illnesses get frequent assessments would be waste money. I think certain illnesses they just need one assessment thats it.

To me it will cause more issues than solves. Wonder if end up work in progress keep changing till gets better but then what do you do with collateral unfair damage fall in work of progresss bad policy.

I do think the bill was setup with the wrong atitude in the wrong climate. As seen by damage workfare which incidently by own admissions DWP said cant work in 2008. What changed there mind the political aggressive masters who in power. Whats changed apart from labour to coalition government. Surely this should have been enphasised.

http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd5/...08/rrep533.pdf

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cameron even lied gritting his teeth in parliament.

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Can i have a gram of what your smoking please and are you Jeremy Clarkson:LOL:

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Sorry - I don't understand that statement, or its context.

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Dave was gritting his teeth when he was lying in parliament.

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And he knows this how?

Was it by being told this by the PM, or by his own inferences totally unsullied by factual information?

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I don't know. I'll ask him.

It might have been watching him on that parliament channel thing.

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I think it's about those politicians who get where they are today by deceiving the electorate. It's a scandal that I think most voters have fell for.

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They will not be deceiving me any more as i will not be voting, The fiasco over a vote on the EU and the thieving sods stealing our money via expenses has seen to that.

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not forgiven and forgotten then after the cut throat clearout that was promised by the party leaders ;)

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LOL Maggie that made me laugh there ..... :D :D :D sounds like your wig came dislodged :) :)
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You got it in one :)

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Whoever replaces this government better get abolish this welfare law sooner rather later

And Sirius, don't waste you vote, otherwise idiots will get in!

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Well considering the only other option is the idiots your recommending why should i vote for them.

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Really though there is no proper choice, I am only suggesting the least worst options

but not voting will help even more idiotic people in power

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Personally there should be national drive by the people pick a neutral party urge people to Vote it on forums, facebook, email talk to friends/family the protest vote will be strong. Use the power of the web/voice to get across country if you disalusioned with labour, conservatives, lib/dem then dont vote for them vote for the nominated party.

If its neutral it means labour and conservative hardcore might just move away from traditional vote take part in the protest.

Make campaign that top 3 parties are not to be voted for.

Independance party might be good call for the campaign. If nominated party aware before hand they can get candidates in all places to help the protest vote hurt take seats all over the nation.

It would be fantastic way to give these parties the wake up they deserve.

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I suppose i could vote for ukip ;)

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I expect anybody affected with their benefits. anyone who's being forced to work for their dole money. anyone who's lost their tax credits. anyone who associates Dave with Hitler, won't be voting conservative.

it's just a case of who they vote for instead. and if they bother to vote.

Dave still has enough time to try and find a way of making it compulsory that they vote for him at every election though.

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You know what, that is a great idea :angel:

Use it to give a kick to the backside to the poltcial, economic and social system

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I would not normally say this, but that is a good idea!