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North Wales cable franchise
I realise there are lot of unbuilt cable franchises but I have no idea whatever happened to the North Wales/South Cheshire franchise, which seems to have been granted to Metro Cable TV Ltd in the late 1990's.
This is the only document I can find that fits in with Ofcom's Cable Franchises map, which illustrates North Wales as being covered by a Cable operator. I did a quick search on Companies House and it appears that Metro Cable TV (which I beleive is a direct descendant of Maxwell Cable/Rediffusion Cable) is now operating as an IRS & MATV installer, Metro Digital Television. Is it assumed at the company still hold the licence? And if so, why has building it never appealed to them or any other company, i.e VM? It all comes down to money I know - as in Aberdeen - but trying to find any sort of information on this licence is almost impossible. |
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AFAIK the exclusive regional franchises no longer exist - that may have been a condition at some point in the past when the cablecos began to merge. I believe that any company can start a cable network wherever it likes these days, provided they get whatever local planning consent they need.
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Metro Cable did exactly the same with that franchise as they did with all their other pie in the sky ideas... Absolutely nothing!
At the time the company applied for that franchise it was running on a skeleton staff maintaining the few old small systems that it had not sold to CableTel/NTL. I remember having a chuckling and expecting it to come to nothing when they were awarded the franchise, If I recall they were going to use 10GHz or 40GHz wireless links for trunk and distribution to keep civil costs to a minimum. (There used to be a white paper online that was supplied to Ofcom showing their proposals, not sure if it's still about) |
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I once heard that in North Wales somewhere, someone took over the local Rediffusion network there and started to provide there own Analogue tv service, this went on through the 90's and I think it closed not long ago |
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The furthest I ever traveled North in Wales to work on headends was Brecon, there was also a network in the Talgarth area that I believe closed in the early 90s. (Although I also seem to remember a network being mentioned in Hay on Wye) I never heard of any in Mid or North Wales when I was working for them. |
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However I read on another forum some time ago that there was a re-broadcast system in place in either Blaenau Ffestiniog or Betwys-y-Coed... I'm not sure which. That was available until fairly recently, I don't know whether its still going. There is also Wright's Radio Relay which operates in Newtown, Powys (Mid Wales)... that was born out of a rebroadcasting network and now provides a slightly upgraded version of the Freeview line-up. According to their website (which is actually down at the moment), viewers are able to use Freeview boxes/STBs with an additional converter box, which changes the signal between DVB-C to DVB-T... but interestingly it also provides True Movies, Movies4Men, etc... I presume that's an additional multiplex. |
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I was aware that there may have been a few smaller systems up in North Wales, generally owned by the local TV shop etc. We also had one in Usk South Wales and also one in Cwmbran, one of my college lecturers used to repair the equipment for them. In the mid 90s I also repaired some amplifiers for the Usk system. Funny, I did enjoy those days before the yanks arrived.;) ps. Last time I was in BF (about 2 years ago) I notice there was still signs of the cable network but I don't know if it was still running. |
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http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archi...e/metrocab.pdf Its rather over-ambitious considering Metro did pay a significant amount of money to secure this licence. I lived in Cardiff for the past 3 years and its surprising the amount of Rediffusion infrastructure that is still firmly in place and unused - was there ever a period in time when the Narrowband and Broadband operators actually competed in the same area against each other, or did the Narrowband almost instantly sell their customer base to the Broadband / just shut down instantly? |
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I never visited the Cardiff Rediffusion network, it was one of the old HF networks and I had the impression it only covered a small part of Cardiff. (Was it the Thornhill area?) As for running alongside I'm not really sure, but in those days the cable companies had to meet annual build targets. CableTel/ntl used some of the closed down Rediffusion/Metro closed down networks to claim as 'homes passed' to avoid fines. I remember one system in Bridgend area that had miles of cable just to feed a few customers in the bottom of a valley. It may have only been feeding a few homes but it passed thousands.;) I do remember Maxwell/Metro or whatever we were called at the time suddenly taking an interest in the area when the Cardiff area franchise was announced, at the time I didn't even know they had anything there and it was I believe slowly running down to closure. I'm 99% certain that the network never carried anything other than the terrestrial off air channels. I believe there were very few customers by the time CableTel started building and I seem to recall one of the engineers shutting it down and bringing equipment back to the workshop. Metro bid for the Mid Glamorgan franchise, again it was all pie in the sky. They ended up meeting CableTel on the steps of OFCOM the day the franchise bid had to be submitted. It resulted in Metro selling about half of the company (Wales and Hertfordshire) for about 10 times more than they had paid for the whole lot. Thats how I ended up working for CableTel/ntl and it all went down hill from there. Metro did have a modern system I got involved with in the Rhondda, it was an 860MHz pilot system with the intention to put RF telephony on it. This was shut within a few years of ntl taking over because the Americans considered that phone and data belonged on the telco network, and CATV was something stuck to the bottom of their shoes. Funny how not many years later it was an American idea to launch Broadband using the CATV network;) I stopped for a few more years and transferred to ntl Cardiff, I got out in early 2001 when I realised the ntl business model was doomed to fail. ps. There was also a company called Newport Cablevision that was originally awarded the Newport franchise. One of the directors owned Penhow castle, I think they got the franchise but failed to obtain the funds to build. |
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There are lots of overhead cables crossing the streets, particulary in the terraces of Cathays, I think I saw just one cabinet - I guess Cabletel/ntl reused the few ducts that Rediffusion would have built so they are rarer than the other things. Oh and any idea if this company: http://www.mdtv.co.uk/ is the direct descendant of Metro? According to CompaniesHouse, between 1992 and 2006 this company was known as our old-favourite, Metro Cable TV Ltd. |
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mdtv are the same bunch as far as I'm aware. When Metro sold half of the company to ntl they retained some old HF systems and some SMATV/MATV systems in blocks of flats in the London area. I believe these were controlled out of the Welwyn Metro building but that moved over to ntl as they gained WGC, Hatfield and Stevenage as part of the deal. The directors then were Richard Dikstra, Ron Rous, Chris Collins and Alistair Cook??? (I believe that Alistair sold his shares to the other before they sold to CableTel - Probably still kicking himself) Perhaps they are listed on companies house. I seem to recall one of the managers Norman Asby also stopping with Metro I believe to look after the London MATV business (probably now mdtv). I think Metro also sold off some of the remaining business to other area managers, I know one ex Metro manager continued to run some old HF networks down south that he got off Metro, it may have been in Basildon. (Brain is aching thinking back this far) I don't know exactly what happened to Metro but mdtv is obviously a remnant. I wouldn't be surprised if they sold it, went bankrupt or wound it up to avoid any liabilities. I spotted this link for mdtv detailing the directors etc, no names that I recall which makes me think they sold it. http://www.carehome.co.uk/supplier.c...rchazref/72589 Also found this link http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/lt...tal-television Lists 3I Investments as debenture owing, 3I funded the purchase for the management buyout when Maxwell jumped. Dated 1999 so obviously not the same transaction. |
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The main purpose of the Rediffusion and other similar cable networks was to provide people with decent TV reception in those times, as the idea of commercialising and free enterprise came about, additional pay-tv channels sprung up. I don't think that system could be modernised to be honest which is why the previous owners of Rediffusion abandoned it, same with Aberdeen Cable and the BT Cable networks, which can be upgraded to the full modern standard people expect from 21st century cable network but nobody seems willing to put there hands in there pockets and pay for it.
The Rediffusion sockets and cabling as well as cabinets by blocks of flats are still present in Holborn,Central London although in a dilapidated state. Cable London, a joint venture between Comcast and Telewest cabled the area and began services in 1991 with the rest of Camden between 1993 and 1995 and the old rediffusion system was forgotten about. |
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In contrast, some of the VHF cable networks were ideal candidates for upgrading. Although mostly overhead there was also the possibility splitting the areas up and also wireless delivery to the nodal area. I believe these networks were shut down due to the arrogance of the company (ntl) and the seemingly endless supply of other peoples money to fund new build. Back then the South Wales valleys were always known as a good area for subscriber figures, the belief held in those times by people who had been in the industry for a long time was that these areas that should have been built in first. City areas like Cardiff and Newport were poor for customer figures in comparison, I believe the excuse was always that people in the city would go out for entertainment and the poorer people in the valleys would stop in and watch TV. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I am absolutely sure the management were too arrogant to foresee the end to the cash cow. I wonder where they are now, CV's detailing their past successes and plaguing other industries with their incompetence no doubt. They were enjoyable days prior to CableTel/ntl, but it's a rotten industry full of sycophants and bull poo'ers that I'm for one very glad to be well away from. |
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Rediffusion were in Caerphilly in the early 1970s at least on the Churchill Park Estate.
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So assuming Cabletel bought Metro TV's South Wales & Hertfordshire assets, the remaining Rediffusion infrastucture in South Wales is now actually owned by Virgin Media. Of course it's all pretty useless over 50 years from when it was installed, but as you say the ducts and the heavy infrastructure channels could have been so easily re-used.
And even now VM is considering a return to over-head cable following the opening up of BT poles and ducts... what goes around comes around I guess. Perhaps there will be more pressure on VM as BT Infinity's coverage increases; it will be in Wrexham by the end of the year. But... if (extremely hypothetically!) VM were to want to expand its network into North Wales, would Metro be legally obliged to object as (if it still does) it is the legal licence holder? |
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I don't believe it was ever quite so straight forward though, Metro continued to remove cables and poles from old closed down network areas as and when residents complained or local authorities requested. It lead me to believe that either the official line that Metro was not liable was just a way of not officially accepting their liabilities, or the true amount of assets/liabilities were not known by the administrators. I did also observe that on the occasions when these liabilities turned into assets, they were all too keen to claim them. So the question now is does Virgin now considers itself responsible for the old networks (Liabilities) that Metro Cable TV claimed they didn't buy as part of the management buyout and were not responsible for. My guess is they will be claiming they own them if they are assets.;) As far as I understand Metro have no way of stopping an operator such as Virgin building in the North Wales area. I am out of touch with things these days but there are no franchise areas and I believe the LDO Local Delivery Operators licence has also disappeared. I know that when ntl (Virgin) were playing around with overhead networks in Ireland they were struggling to find employees with the necessary skills and experience. I remember that there was talk of some of the old ex-Rediffusion Cable TV employees from South Wales going across to train them. |
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Could VM buy the North Wales North Wales cable franchise
Are there any other dormant cable franchises? |
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In Saltney, North Wales there's definitely some cable TV infrastructure. Here's a cabinet:
http://www.google.co.uk/maps?q=chest...49.13,,0,20.06 Along the main road from Chester there are CATV manholes. In fact they begin at the big roundabout near Handbridge in Chester itself. |
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Despite being on the other side of the Welsh border, Saltney is basically a suburb of Chester and will have been cabled up on that basis I would have thought.
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Well it is in North Wales and that's what we're talking about.
I understand your point but nowhere in Chester has cable TV. The council didn't allow it. I should be clear as well, VM don't offer a service in Saltney so whatever the cabinets are, they aren't active. |
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Interesting ... does Deeside have it? I used to work there but never lived there.
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Not sure about Deeside, I'm inclined to say it doesn't. I only became aware of the situation in Saltney because I was working there and in Handbridge on FTTP.
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The manhole in front of it has CATV on it. |
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The amount of times I have been through Saltney and have never noticed this...
They don't look of Rediffusion age, however. But that area of Saltney is a council estate, presumably built by the predecessor of Alyn & Deeside District Council (presumably Buckley District??)... I guess its plausible there could have been a (planned?) cable service for council tenants, as seen elsewhere in the UK? Otherwise could it have been a false start for Metro? However I don't think those cabinets look young enough to be late 90s/early 00's (when Metro was planning building its network). |
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This may or may not be common practice, but I am guessing that the civil contractor installing the manholes and duct just happened to have some CATV ones spare in his yard. I did hear similar stories in the mid 90's of CATV manholes and ducts being installed in the southern part of Pontypool. I don't know if this was a similar instance or was actually work carried out by CableTel/ntl as part of their grand plans. In those days they had an almost unlimited amount of financial backing and a very ambitious plan. I am aware that they purchased buildingsin towns that they never even went near with a shovel, these were later sold on when money dried up. I heard a story about one such building in Bridgend, they bought the building and never set foot in it. A number of years later they decided that it was not in a suitable location and decided to sell it, apparently there were issues locating the keys because they had not set foot inside since buying it. I would not be surprised if there is unused CATV infrastructure from the 1990s that has never been used in odd locations. |
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It's the digging up of roads that causes the most outlay I would assume, so if there are ducts already there then there is hope?
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Are ther any more "dormant" cable franchises?
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cable & wireless is rubbish.. ntl..lost intrest.. united artists was excellent.. telewest total rubbish.. eurobell lost intrest straight away.. |
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Telewest, did upgrade every franchise to Digital except for a few blackspot towns within those franchises and also had excellent customer services. And also made good use of Flextech and it TV content. When we lived up north and had Nynex as I rightly remember, the service was dire, could have been because it was new, teething problems? Also you will find many streets with Nynex Cable Cabinets and manhole covers but the streets are not cabled. Down here in London a big chunk of the former Bell Cable Media network covering Isle of Dogs orginally Encom, then taken over by Bell Cable Media and then of course Cable and Wireless, was neglected by both Bell Cable Media and Cable and Wireless for several years to the point where it was no longer possible to provide a fault free service. Eurobell, a division of Deutsche Telekom, the owners or should I say the part owners of T-Mobile in the UK, probably lost interest because they were a newly part privatised company in Germany and were exploring different markets and probably lost more through Eurobell than it actually gained,also Deutsche Telekom were probably trying to focus on One2one rather than a failing cable company which needed a lot of investment in Broadband and Digital TV,neither Eurobell South East or South West franchises were broadband or Digital TV enabled when Telewest took them over, Telewest acquired Eurobell for £282 Million in November 2000, the Eurobell phone boxes were removed in 2001, some sites I believe were sold to Infolines(Interphone). Cable and Wireless, didn't stay in the business long enough to have made an impact, the began providing Digital TV, they offered great value for money Telephone services, they didn't get there own way with buying out Telewest in 1999/2000 so they gave up and decided to sell up. Although, they wanted rid of quite a few businesses, all that off-loading of businesses like the cable franchises,One2One,Optus and I think it owned Hong Telecom, has done the company no good, it can't compete very well against competitors anymore, how can it when it has nothing to compete with? Around 2005 it gave away far too many customers to focus on a small bunch very large businesses like Tesco, this has now left the company in very bad way especially now that the company has been split, that was the reason why they acquired Thus, to patch up there mistakes of disposing of customers and selling there products at low prices to win customers back. Cable and Wireless has Verizon to compete which is able to offer Fibre to the premises Internet,low cost voice products including IP telephone services. Verizon are also able to offer businesses Fios which is there IPTV television service, something that Cable and Wireless once planned but never actually got round to doing. Verizon is also able to offer mobile phone services through there part owner Vodafone. Cable and Wireless and Thus have to spend a lot of money leasing a UK mobile network as well as invest a lot of money installing cells inside the organisations it operates in, that means a lot is going out but little coming in. BT is also a challenge for Cable and Wireless, as they have a wider coverage of the UK as well as coverage of other countries, BT is able to gain custom through its popularity alone, the Cable and Wireless name and brand has become damaged, BT also offer a full range of mobile phone services and wirefree communication including Wifi for businesses across the UK, something that Cable and Wireless is lacking in. Virgin Media also has a wider coverage across the UK, covering residential areas as well as business districts and town centres, they are also able to offer speeds of up to 100mb and as much bandwith the business requires according to Virgin Media Business's advertising campaign when NTL Telewest Business was rebranded. Another reason is popularity of the brand, when you think of Virgin now,you don't think about Cola,Music and Retail stores anymore, you think of superfast and high speed broadband and Telephone services, that is another reason why the group decided to extend the brand to its business division. There are some brands which do not have to depend on advertising,brands which have been around for a very long time and which have gained popularity because of its past and long history of providing good service, brands such as these: BT Virgin British Gas Persil Coca-Cola Marmite Fairy Hovis 118118 Sky Those are an example, that if they stopped advertising, they probably won't see sales drop as much, because people know they are there but its just a matter of ringing directory enquiries or googling them to obtain services from them. When you move in a house, the first thing, you think about when setting up the gas, is British Gas. 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The bit where it got shut of Virgin Media Television(the content division) and UKTV,more offshore call centres as well as over enthusiasm like saying they will do this,that and the other when they know they can't is something NTL would do. Also trying to take on ITV and get a share in it was also something that NTL started and came to an abrupt end. There have been past partnerships before like the ITN news channel which was owned between NTL and ITV. Which also failed. And that annoying moment when Virgin Media withdraws channels over carriage disagreements like the Sky basic channels,Zing,Channel 7 and MTV+1,MTV Classics,MTV Shows,Flaunt,Flava,Vault ect.... Actually that is more of a Telewest thing as it happened a few times. |
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C&W sold these following businesses:
Hong Kong Telecom (sold to PCCW) Optus (sold to Singapore Telecom) One2One (sold to Deusche Telekom) PCCW is owned by CK Holdings (owner of 3) |
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However Cable and Wireless was clever enough at the time to ensure that it was still supplier of Emergency services,operator assistance and I think the physical network transmission for One2one, same with Optus but it's probably all changed now, especially with T-Mobile now that it is Everything Everywhere, as of 2010, Cable and Wireless Worldwide was still providing Emergency services and International operator assistance for T-Mobile and Virgin Mobile customers as well Virgin Media cable lines 3 is owned by Hutchison Whampoa, that is why it is called Hutchison 3G. |
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Demanding archaeologists on site in case of any finds during the dig and they were to be with every civils team. Ornamental Victorian looking cable boxes were demanded for certain areas. Because of this they backed out of it. They had even built the exchange for Chester at this point and then removed it again. |
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Given Chester's important history as a Roman city, the requirement for an archaeologist to be involved whenever the ground is dug up is pretty standard.
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The trouble with C&W (now C&W Worldwide) is that they sold the best bits of their business, now with the sale ofm their overseas assets, they do not have much left! |
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This could have been done, by selling off its Cable franchises and selling 1 of its international companies and then using the money on One2one. Mercury Paging was sold off a few years before that and became PageOne communications and is still going today, so if you have a minicall pager somewhere, it may still work. |
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A Brand used by other seperate company devalues it! C&W Communications should have changed it name when it was demerged! |
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Cable and Wireless Communications is the main part of Cable and Wireless out of the two companies. By the way Cable and Wireless Worldwide still uses the infrastructure owned by Cable and Wireless Communications. Cable and Wireless Communications is a UK headquartered business, I wouldn't be surprised if its still in the same building as Cable and Wireless Worldwide. But anyway, they demerged to prove a point, that Cable and Wireless Worldwide is dragging the company down. |
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