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Please continue discussion of TiVo here please.

Original Threads

Vol. 1: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-page-408.html
Vol. 2: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-page-460.html

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Just so this isn't missed from the other thread ;)

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...1049301#M46243

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now I am tempted by Tivo with reminders being added. I know not important to everyone but they are to me. Hopefully will play nice with my new tv as it wouldnt with my LG so as some may know I had to send the Tivo back

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Great news :hyper:

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When is the next phase code release due and will this include the red button?

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Apparently the red button features will be delivered via Apps so won't need an update to be introduced.

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Seems a bit of a long winded way to access what was one key before....

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It'll still be one key - iPlayer on TiVo is an app but can be accessed via the Red Button on the BBC channels

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Nice. Baseball spring training starts soon and I use reminders a lot during the season to tune in when the games start. Hope they at least get them working before the World Series. :D

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Bursting in to song ( be glad there is no sound) "One more step along the road we go"

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I'm pleased with both of my TiVo's, when they add multi room streaming and sky sports red button I'll be happy. I'm not fussed about reminders as with the three tuners it's perfectly fine for me but I do understand others miss its functionality.

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Sorry can some in VERY simple terms to me what is multi room streaming ?:dunce:

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being able to view recorded programmes from one TiVo to another in your household.

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And when do you you think this will arrive at the station DF.:)

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thank you:)

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I believe that VM are working on the best way to do this, so there is no need for wires all around the home. NickO on the Community Forum has said as much.

There is also the programme holders rights to work to.

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Yes and that can take a while by all accounts.

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Now, there's a surprise!

Why, don't they let those who want to connect by wire do so, and those that don't can wait for the wire free solution?

With regard to 'rights', presumably multi room streaming has been planned from the get-go, so these should have been sorted by now, surely.

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Still some ironing out to do, I believe. In the US it's easier as TiVo is just the box, but VM is the platform too.

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With regards to rights, it strikes me as a red herring. You have a copy,so what difference does were you watch it in your home make. Ie you can recorded it on both m/cs if you really want too !!! sad but true ( we do in our house !!! in case her in doors wants to watch something recorded & I don`t as I said sad)

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Because there is a lot more to turning something on than just the customer side of things

For instance:

You also have to test it against any other kit it could possible be connected to - and by that I meant 3rd party routers as much as any kit Virgin Media have issued in the past.

Once you've done that and any issues identified, you then have to work out whether they are 'in scope' for Virgin to resolve, or classed as an issue with customer's own kit etc.

Then you have to design training, arrange for agents to be trained and then deliver the training

You then have to plan it's rollout to make sure you can manage any calls in from Customers that want to use it and/or have 'fiddled' and manged to disable something

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Except the rights ARE different.

For instance the BBC don't have all the rights to stream via iPlayer all the programmes they show on their channels, yet you can record all of them on TiVo (or anything else for that matter). Same as you can record something legally, but downloading the same thing to your PC from a torrent site would be classed as illegal.

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I am still not sure what you are trying to say. I am being slow here, as I find your answers clear & precise normally.
You can record the same programme on as many boxes as you like,but you can`t send from one box to another.?
Is that not like saying you can record to a DVD on one m/c but not use it on another player in the same house:confused:
I take it that this system would not stream from a PC say. So I fail to see the problem in the case of copyright at least .:dunce:

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The problem there Itshim is you are using Common Sense when it comes to content licensing and that's simply not allowed.

I have to say that I'm not too swayed by the 'reasons' multi-room streaming isn't available - it's pretty well developed in the states, so why can't we at least have what they have?

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From what I have read its the streaming of HD content that worries copyright holders.

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Exactly. But what is worse about the "licencing refusal", is that if you did what you have described then you would have a physical copy of the content that you could easily take to another property and play.

With room-to-room streaming via DVR's, the content's DRM is still enforced and is only playable on devices linked to your main device (i.e. the 2nd TiVo on the VM account with multi-room streaming enabled). So it's actually a lot more protected than DVD-R or the old-school VHS, as the content can never leave that customer's property (in theory).

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Technically yes that's right.

It's a fuzzy bit of copyright law that allows PVRs to exist in the first place. Specifically http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-o...-timeshift.htm

The second paragraph is important when you are talking about streaming:

Obviously there is no real benefit for individuals to be investigated for not deleting/wiping a recording they've made, but the Copyright holders will likely be very keen to make the distinction between the 'timeshift' exception and multi-room streaming which I think they class as something else

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Know I understand - daft but I understand. In my case we record watch later ( time shift) and delete :cool:

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Exactly. But what is worse about the "licencing refusal", is that if you did what you have described then you would have a physical copy of the content that you could easily take to another property and play.

Sorry was used to show that you can play on more than one machine. Look at it another way if you like. You purchase a DVD you play it in room A. you can not then play it in room B because its been on in room A - Forget different houses. Anyway Ben has answered the question.Just thought you should get my drift

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Two main reasons

1) The 'Fair Use' laws in the US are much stronger than they are in the UK

2) TiVo is an add on box in the US for the most part, so is outside control of the cable companies and channel providers

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That is true mine was just used as a sort of posh VCR

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I get irritated by this copyright buisness that gets imposed on us. I legally pay for TV shows by using VM and the TV companies want to put barriers in the way for things like multiroom.

Yet people illegally download shows from the internet and can watch it where they want.

I am against illegal downloading, and don't do it, but I sometimes think broadcast companies get what they deserve in lost revenue because they put barriers in the way of people who ligitimately pay for the content.

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I pressed the red button on BBC channel last night and only got Iplayer. Is that what they mean when they say they haven't got the red button service yet? For instance, sometimes live sports is available on the red button i.e. different table matches during snooker events, but I can't seem to access this before like I used to do with the V+HD box.

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Yes, that's correct.

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You`ve got it in one. Coming soon to a box near you:erm:

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The news and sports red button apps are coming very soon to the TiVo.

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PLEASE note the last line ( salt & pinch should be your watch words ) just look back.Is it a year or just months since it has being coming soon. Dont doubt it will.This quarter is the latest statement, I am sure the people that post it hope so. As do I, just dont hold your breath :D

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But this ruling is presumably very relevant, where people are complaining that Tivo does not have a 'backup to DVD/VCR' in the same way that the V+ has. Strictly speaking, by providing this facility on the V+, VM are/were allowing or encouraging customers to break the law by making permanent copies of their PVR recordings.

My impression is that content owners have been relatively easy about this sort of facility, which has been around for many years, because you are only recording an analogue version of the content (transmitted via SCART) re-digitized by your DVD recorder. The same tolerance would presumably not be applied to direct re-recording of any digital content via ethernet or HDMI, and certainly not to HD content.

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l am going to watch a clip of Mr Men later and l cordially invite you to be party as Mr Glum and there you can meet Mr Happy and Mr Pessimist .:)

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BBC Apps and Sky Sports Red Button will launch during March and complete in very early April according to NickO on the Community Forum :)

Looking forward to the BBC Apps personally :)

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l will second that.

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wooohooooooooooooo sky sports red button next month and the bbc red button in time for snooker world championship too great :clap::clap::clap:

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Thanks for the replies. Hopefully 'red button' service will be activated in time for the Olympics. <fingers crossed>

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March... so plenty of time ;)

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So tell me how long has it been promised ! I really hope it happens soon, just will believe it when I see it .

Abraham Lincolns speech about fooling people comes to mind!!! when getting a promise from Virgin on big issues.
:DCustomer service is a different thing - always great I find

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There is a old saying Itshim and that is "I've always believed that you can think positive just as well as you can think negative".:D

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But I so hate being disappointed :D

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And l am sure you will not be.:D

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That will keep someone we know happy.

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For the moment!

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Excellent news, just in time for the end of the football season and the World snooker.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

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Any news on the qwerty slideout keypad remote?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/13.jpg

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l have heard nothing more about it at this present time but it would be a nice addition when it does arrive..

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Hasn't it been reported by some that, albeit some of the buttons are different so it doesn't necessarily do everything, if you but an American one online it will work with the Virgin Tivo? Or have I imagined that?

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No you didn't imagine it, it does work. I ordered one from Amazon.com before Christmas (£39.48 including shipping & import tax). You plug a bluetooth dongle into the USB port at the back of the Tivo. It has infra-red, as well, so you can program it to switch your tv on and off at the same time as your Tivo box. Although on mine, they don't always sync together. No My Shows button - you press the Tivo button twice, instead. The coloured buttons are different but the functions are in the same place, so red button services are on the first button from the left, in this case the yellow button. Yellow functions are on the red button. Green and blue are reversed, too, but the functions are also in the same positions. Keypad works in the new You Tube app but not in the old one. Also, symbols don't seem to be recognised but that may be due to lack of support in the app. The remote is backlit and overall I'm very pleased with it - a definite improvement on the supplied remote.

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Was thinking about looking when next in the states but I dont think I will given the use this instead of that . I use the remote with out looking at it for the most part. Life it to short to "train myself" to do all that as well :D

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O lord what will I do then. All kidding aside. Full red button & reminders are all I was ever looking for on the Tivo. As I said many times before things there I have no use for, but all in all it that will make as good as I think it can get. There I have said it.:p:

It's annoying that when I set a series link for a programme it doesn't record it if it changes channel. Happened today with the prem league darts it moved from sky sports 1 hd to sky sports hd 2 so it didn't record. Its done it before.

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No PVR can do that AFAIK as series links are channel specific.

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Set up a wish list instead.

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Good idea :tu:

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True. I had the same problem on my V+ when Sky Sports had the rights for The Ultimate Fighter as they kept moving it round so I missed half the episodes.

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Tivo could if they added the wishlist capability (so the S/W code is already in place) to search any channel to a series link or individual recording. It would actually be an extremely useful feature which Tivo has all the components to deliver. Thye just need to enhance what they already have in place.

How do you do wish lists? What are they?

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Cartoon Network App now on TiVo.

One to keep the kiddies happy.:)

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Especially my little lad! :)

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Mostly I have been really happy with my Tivo but recently it got me annoyed.

I have a wish list setup to record CSI this picks up original version, miami, New York and some wildlife programme called Predator CSI. It would be nice if I could put in a exclusion for predator so that the wish list did not record that. A second minor point is that because this records so many shows on so many different channels it would be really good if you could sort by series and episode number rather than date.

However my big problem is that a whole lot of recordings that I was plodding through are no longer available as Sky dropped Living Loves. The recording is there but because the channel no longer exists the Tivo box will not let me view them. This raises a few thoughts. If you drop a subscription to a channel do you also lose access to any recordings off that channel? I have had to delete each recording individually it would be much better if the Tivo box offered me the option to delete all the programmes that I could no longer view in one go.

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The other issue with Sky Living loves, is Sky's fault as they insist any channel you no longer sub to makes your recordings unavailable. this only applies to Sky channels, all other channels are not affected by this rule from Sky.

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@Digital Fanatic

Many thanks for the info now have my CSI wish list set properly, I really should spend a bit of time going through the options and read what I can do. I am afraid I am old school and prefer proper manuals rather than on screen help and videos.

Cheers

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i dont trust tivo one bit

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Well everybody is entitled to a opinion but it seems that 273,000 customers disagree with you according to the last 3 months.:)

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http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?id=4321

TiVo and Pace have announced a global partnership .

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Um, does that mean platforms with Pace boxes will be able to put the Tivo software on them, making them, in effect, Tivo's? (Can you see where I'm going with this?)

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Yes l can see where you are going with this but in my opinion a partnership between Sky Pace boxes with TiVo software is a non starter absolute.:)

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Sky don't use Pace anymore :) they own Amstrad so make all their own. :)

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Virgin Media are exclusive TiVo partners in the UK too :)

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Until Sky offer more money than VM and Tivo say ok Sky, money talks

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No because as DF says TiVo is VM exclusive partners in the UK and l do not see that situation changing.

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Ya but the contract will have to end at some point and when it does Sky will offer money and then they will partner Sky and maybe VM as well

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TiVo tried to partner with Sky 10 years ago, and got burned, so can't see them wanted to do it again.

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Maybe they wont then, lets hope Tivo do stay exclusive to VM in the UK for a very long time. Long live Tivo :)

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Sky don't need TIVO , the XTV DVR technology which is Sky+ is in 40 million + homes worldwide and the NDS middleware is fully upgradeable. TIVO will remain with VM exclusivity.

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The masters voice has spoken with true eloquence.:)

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The truth is perhaps, If TiVo was a major challenge to Sky worldwide then Newscorps would probably just buy up TiVo.

It could be a competition issue in the UK but it would all happen in America where Newscorp get 99% of what they want. It would probably be a hostile take over but if Newcorp really wanted TiVo I think we all know it would happen.

By Buying up TiVo newscorp would also get round any Patent issues.

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That's fine with me, what they don't have is Tivo's patented technology and features.

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If they actually wanted TiVo in the first place, Sky would still be using TiVo rather than screwing them over all those years ago.

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Exactly and that is Sky's loss and Virgin's great gain.

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Exactly ;)

Sky+ is a great stb and it does it's job well... wouldn't give up my TiVo though :)

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Just to clarify - Sky never used Tivo. They only provided a UK customer service function for Tivo under contract to them.

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American market I know , but must surely increase chances of Netflix on TIVO here

http://www.lightreading.com/document...treading_gnews

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Interesting and lets hope a app arrives later in the year.

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Quick question, why are some TiVo recordings are set as 3 day auto delete, can this be changed in settings?

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Yes, just change the series link. Although it doesn't mean it WILL be deleted, it's just if TiVo needs space it will delete.

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Thanks DF, the only other time I saw the hour glass symbol was when I recovered a deleted recording!

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Although I'm not sure if that applies to programmes already recorded?

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You can change the keep until options of recorded shows by highlighting it in my shows, pressing OK and going from there. Early on I had a minor panic when I went into my shows one day to find most of them had acquired a hour glass logo, but managed to change them all to keep until I delete. Having said that I've since stopped bothering and haven't yet lost a show-Tivo's really good at stuff but it takes a while to learn to trust it. I'm even using express series links without any issues, although I am still hoping for an option to set my own defaults to be part of a future update.

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I wish I could say that express series links were bulletproof, i have had a few occasions when TiVo had trouble with the new episode only option, in one case it wanted to record still every episode of BBC News Click:(

By the way what would have happened if I let TiVo auto delete these shows, would they have just gone into my Recently Deleted Folder that then I could have recovered manually?

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The problem with CLICK is that the BBC are only providing generic metadata.

Yes they would go to the Deleted folder after they were needed for recording space. Where you could recover if needed. :)

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I have that with Click as well. I have to go into planned recordings and stop all records bar the 1st one

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Like I say, not yet had an issue with express series links but I can certainly see how there could be, which is why I'm hoping for user definable defaults in the future. Much more of an issue than reminders as far as I'm concerned.

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As DF has said the BBC only send generic information so it means that TiVo will record every showing it can lay its hands on!

Many months ago I set a Manual Repeat recording for the Saturday 01.30am transmission, and fortunately they have not ever varied this time.

This way you don’t have to laboriously delete all the unwanted ones.

HTH

--John

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Looks like TiVo and other networks are trying the VM idea?

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/ono-an...20120302-00319

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For Connected TV, The New Last Mile Is Dining Room To Living Room

http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419...o-living-room/