Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 

Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?

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It would make the lower end of the league more exciting, or even make a British cup

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yes

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Rangers just went into administration so i think it may a moot subject

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Actually it may be thing that forces the issue...

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Yes.

From the purely selfish point of view, as a Celtic supporter I find the prospect of regular fixtures against the top English sides very appealing.

I know many supporters of the top EPL teams would prefer seeing their teams play Celtic or Rangers than some of the the Yoyo teams from the Championship.

There is an added advantage for Mancunians that Rangers supporters now know where the public toilets are;)

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heard it on the news in the background so wasn't realy paying much attention .Just reading the full story it appears the administrators will be called in to secure the future of the club if possible .If the club can sort out the £49 million tax bill they may survive

http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16169081

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The one thing that I actually agree with the Chairman is that Rangers will be back in a far stronger position than they have been for the last couple of seasons.

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They are very likely to survive, but how will be the question. It's a good time to start from the bottom and this time in the English leagues.

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I agree ,would letting them into the English leagues set precedent for other scottish clubs to follow leading to a merger of the 2 FA's?

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If Alex Salmond got his way, anyone suggesting it would be shot at dawn!

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Aside from the tax bill which isn't a certainty yet i think financially they are in a better position than a lot of English clubs

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Nah, The Scottish League would remain intact but without the two big fish swimming in their pond. It would probably take some restructuring and some loss in income for the clubs to start with but it would be a more balanced league. If they are smart they would introduce wage caps or something similar to maintain competitiveness.

My main concern about letting them in would be the fans. The derbies between the clubs are tiresome but I guess that's a matter for them.

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The main problem in my eyes is that they would be displacing English clubs, whatever level they went in at (Blue Square Premier? ;) ).

Surely it's better for the Scottish FA to work (neutrally) to help other clubs develop to be able to compete with the Old Firm?

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The supporter base other clubs makes that unfeasible. Celtic and Rangers are 2 very large fish in a pond of tiddlers.

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Even if Hearts & Hibs developed a bit?

There are the odd upsets from other teams.

Surely it's better to keep them within Scotland to encourage the youngsters?

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Celtic and Rangers would just turn into yoyo teams from the Championship though. No CL money, and who's going to want to play for Celtic or Rangers when they won't see Europe?

Celtic and Rangers fans are deluded that they'll be able to compete in the PL, they won't. They'll start off mid table at best, and then drift downwards.

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Both clubs have far more potential than any midtable English Premier league clubs. Their supporter base stretches further as does their marketing opportunities. They may start midtable but with the funding available to the EPL they'd be realistic contenders within a very short time.

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Celtic and Rangers would do well, eventually. Their supporter base is quite good. That said at the moment they wouldn't survive in the Premier League with the teams they have. I think they wouldn't be contenders for a long time either. United, Arsenal, City, Spurs, Chelsea should all finish above them.

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They need more than a bit of development. Even with Rangers on their knees this season, and to a lesser extent the last two years, they are still well ahead of number 3 in the league.

Both members of the old firm are an embarrassment in European games and any time one of the 'diddy' teams sneaks in they are even worse.

Scottish football is gash. If the Rangers and Celtic joined an English league the TV money would be good but they would be mid table at best.

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They should join the EPL or better still join form a Atlantic League with the top teams from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Portugal, Belgium and The Neatherlands

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_League_(football)

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I am strongly against Rangers or Celtic joining the English League for two reasons, The First one is that if they wanted to join the English league, then they would want to go into the Premier League, and this would be unfair on all the other clubs who are fighting each week to go up the table to get into the best league in the world.

The other reason, We don't want there 'religious war' or what you call it coming into English league.

Sorry about that, but there is more trouble between these two clubs on the religious front than any other clubs that l know.

And before Scottish fans start having a go, but l am married to a Scot and you only have to mention one club, and they go ballistic.

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I think they would be happy to be in the 3rd division

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In their dreams.:)

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Probably more money there!

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And plenty of debt there as well jb.

Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 

theres more assets in a skip

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Have Ranger's got the money for the bus fare down to play?:erm:

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As a non-Rangers/Celtic fan, I would say yes. Purely as i think it would liven up the games. I'd have them start from league 2.

One caveat, if they caused problems...fans etc...chuck them out

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What will happen to Celtic if Rangers shut down?

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they will dominate period.

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I was understood to believe from Rangers and Celtic fans, that there fans don't cuase trouble.

Have you watched both sets of fans on Youtube, disgraceful both sets.

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Rangers are about to go out of business anyway arent they ?

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I think that's just scaremongering. Something will give before that happens, too big a brand.

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No need for YouTube. I've watched them on the Subway in Glasgow city centre on a Saturday afternoon.

I'd love to see them in the Premiership, it might bring them all down a peg or two.

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They will win the league each year:erm:

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Move to a European league.... Wait 3 years for fc rangers to make it to the spl

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There is a good chance of that happening

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Do you mean the Atlantic League?

What about Celtic moving to the English fottball league, taking Portmouth's FC place if they shut down?

Also will they rename themselfs Glasgow FC, since they will the onyl major football club in Glasgow, they can take on Rangers fans (who will have no team to support)

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ha! Celtic changing to Glasgow FC and Rangers fans singing to their tune. thats as funny as the atlantic league or euro move. if scot teams move they will join the english league from the bottom end of which they wont so they will remain in scotland wasting their time with no real ambition.

as for taking portmouths place? are you joking? what about all the other teams already in situ?

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Glasgow FC? Rangers fans supporting Celtic? Give me a call when you join the rest of us on earth.

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The Atlantic leaguen is a good idea, if Rangers go bust, then Celtic will just keep on winning titles all the time

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If they change their idenitity to a more scottist one than a scottish/irish/catholic one then it might work

Also what team will Rangers fans will support when their club shuts down?

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who else is in this atlantic league? what happens to the CL and Europa league. its a stupid idea that need scrapping. the 'european' cups have pushed it far enough with it now being an open competition rather than the cup winners cup.

theres no easy way out of fraud etc. Rangers have screwed up, Portsmouth have.. deal with it or go bust

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UEFA wouldn't take kindly to Glasgow Rangers playing in the English League. They would need to approve it and are generally disinclined to do so as they fear the emergence of European Super Leagues, where smaller countries play in larger leagues. Belgium in France, Portugal in Spain, Poland in Germany etc.

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What does Alex Salmond think? Maye he's hoping that after independance the country will live off the taxes from the footie clubs? :dunce:

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The Alantic Laegue will consist of the top teams from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Portugal, Belgium and The Neatherlands. All have small football leagues dominated by a few big clubs. As for CL and Europa qulaifications, well it will the same as any major big 1st tier league e.g. EPL

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Even it if it meant the demise of a lot of clubs in thoses leagues?

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It won't lead to their demise. Rangers' problems are of their own making.

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:td: too complicated

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Then again so is football! :D

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Yes your type of fantasy football.

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:LOL:

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Whatever club rises from the ashes.

Rangers and Celtic are both bad for Scottish football but not having them there might well be even worse. Most teams rely on the income generated by the big two and without them several clubs will probably fold.

That said a move away from Scotland to England isn't for me. Rangers, even without their recent troubles, and Celtic would get spanked in the Premiership and would probably be mid-table Championship at best.

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Celtic in particular have a huge support, only beaten by man u? Once money rolls in they have the potential to be very successful

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So the fans would rather spend their own money on a "new" Rangers rather than supporting a non-sectarian football club in Glasgow?

Also, what would happen to the SPL if Rangers did shut down?

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If l think if Celtic and Rangers left the SPL, the league would be a better place.

When Rangers and Celtic get together, there is always this sectarian stuff going to get involved, I have been to only two games in Scotland, l went to an old firm game - and was told to keep my mouth shut as l was in the Celtic end. The other was Hearts for a friendly with Tottenham.

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I would describe the Old Firm Derby as a Scottish Extension of the NI Troubles

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Really.:rolleyes::(:td:

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Well it is not exactly a game to take your family to

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Have you been to one of these games Alan as perhaps you are not best qualified to give a opinion on that.

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Well I know that a small number of fans get sectarian and there is a rise in arrests and disorder, and even on the field, thing turn ugly at times

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no for me and they not do very good if it ever happened the gap is far to big for them as proved when they play in europe

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Small number, last time I went to a game over 4000 Celtic away fans were singig pro ira chants, it's not a minority

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What it as Celtic part, in that case it is a small number compaired to the other tens of thousands

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No it was the away support, the most disgusting fans on the planet

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Was it Rangers fans?

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No rangers aren't pro ira

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So they were Celtic fans then?

As for Rangers, they more sectarian fans would support the UVF

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I have been to an old firm game, And l can tell you l would rather watch a derby game Arsenal v Spurs.

With the old firm games you have to look over your shoulder, being a proud Londoner l was invited to a old firm game by my brother in laws, BUT told not speak during the game in case of problems.

You only have to watch YouTube about these games to find out the troubles its causes.

I went to the London Cup at Wembley which involved Celtic, every pub l went to the Celtic fans were banned near the ground, if that doesn't tell you anything, l don't know what will.

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Which is why I am hoping the demise of Rangers and the reorganisation and renaming of Celtic into a non-sertarian football club, will finish this excuse to have a fight

Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 

What about Hibernian?

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Alan Fry, Sadly, with if Rangers went out of business the problem between the clubs will always be there.

You cannot get a leopard to change its spots - thats the same between these clubs.

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Most fans would prefer to support their team rather than something else, that's kind of what makes them fans. :rolleyes:

If they shut down the current TV deal becomes null and void, that coupled with teams losing two of their biggest paydays from Rangers games will send some clubs to the wall.

Yes there is a rise in assaults and disorder after the match, actual arrests at the game are very small. There is also a big jump in assaults and disorder after Scotland international matches which can't be blamed on sectarianism.

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You mean Hibs and Hearts, yes that is the "little" old firm, only in the capital of Scotland

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Yes, but if they club goes down, what will they do then?

I mean, for a long time they just like to have a go at Celtic when they should have been looking at the way the club was run

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So they will end up setting up a "new" Rangers?

How many Scottish Fottball club might go under and does that include Celtic?

As for old firm derby, i am sure the day the police hate the most is when there is a old firm derby, not sury why there is assaults and disorder after Scotland international matches

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Celtic are in profit last time I heard, hearts losing look good, Dunfermline haven't paid wages....

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LondonRoad...and the state of scottish football is an english problem....how..we english will never let the anti english,provo loving,pub bomber worshipping,football club known as celtic or its fans into english football ever...we will never forgive what your "heros"did in england..so you're destined to stay in the SPHell forever,where your team will slowly stagnate,wither and die...how long do you think mr lawell will stay at celtic now he knows hes backed the wrong donkey,and his team will never get into english football......ENGLAND FOREVER BRITAIN NEVER....

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Ah, the voice of reason....

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they should join in like Newport County ;)

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far from starting like newport county...we english should kick the welsh teams out of english football...and into welsh football...they're as bad as the jocks.....christ i wish us english could have a vote on independence.....you wouldn't see us for dust....and there'd be no special dispensation for jocks,taffs or paddy's to move into england....hate the whole lot of them celts....useless wasters the lot of them....ENGLAND FOREVER BRITAIN NEVER...

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Gloating about English football. On the back of the 'successful' South African campaign, and ahead of Euro 2012 with Shrek being banned for the first 2 matches. pffffr...

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lol..you seem to have issues..

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only with terrorist loving anti english celts....;)

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lol..spoken like a true Ranger's supporter

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Yes l bet you will like the 3rd division next season Colin.:D

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birmingham city fan me...and coming from birmingham,you can understand my hatred of pub bombers...

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Coming from the human race, you can understand my hatred of ignorant, generalising idiots.

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Someone has issues and your mentality is cleary stuck back in the dark ages.

Also great lack of grammer and punctuation there. :dunce:

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Coming from someone who was in the Forces at the time, and who used to go to the Tavern in the Town, you will understand my dislike of ignorant rabble-rousing extremists.

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I am a Hearts supporter..so yes..happy for rangers to go to the 3rd division :D

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i don't remember pub bombing celtic or ranger supporters...please remind me when that actually happened

Oh..it didn't..doh :D

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he's talking crap. whatever happened to 'kick it out' with regards to extremists of whatever category!! and the fact he's a Birmingham City fan sums it up. Their hardly the saints of all fans. personal encounters have left me disgusted.

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I could never comprehend the mentality of somebody destroying human life in the manner that any terrorist does.

Neither can I understand how the hell I'm being grouped with such murdering **** because of the FOOTBALL team I support.

I've been around CF for a while and I've never had the need to use the ignore function before.... I have now!

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so we should forget what celtics "hero's" did to those pubs in birmingham...should we.i wont and as for that so called member of the forces who went to the tavern in the town,to stand up and defend the actions of celtics "hero's",disgusts me...bet you're not in the forces now...we should have an anniversary every year to commemorate those that died and to remind us of which race did it...

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let them stagnate,wither and die in the SPHell...and if you think i'm alone on this read a few english football team blogs...

Re: Would you like to see Celtic and Rangers in the English league?
 

'simple minded' is being kind about your views.

I am Catholic (lapsed, but that's probably irrelevant to you), but served (not so called) in the Forces (including spells in Norn Iron in operations against the PIRA et al - that doesn't fit in your simple world view, does it?) - funny how you conflate some moronic Celtic supporters who support the Republican movement with all Celtic supporters, but don't do the same with Rangers supporters who supported the UVA.

Try thinking, rather than just vomiting prejudice - we fought against idiots who thought the same way as you, just in the opposite direction.

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Hugh, Being that my wife's family are hard Celtic fans who hate Rangers guts, and myself having been to a an Old Firm Derby, and can you can fill the hatred in the voices of rival supporters.

I have been a football fan all my life and have been to some hard matches over the years, l can honestly say that the old firm games are the hardest, and l will never go to another derby like it.

I remember when l went to the London Cup at Wembley and with Celtic playing Tottenham, and the sick singing against Londoners. And yet Celtic supporters, and the club won't do anything to stop any problems.

Do l want Celtic and Rangers in the English League - definitely NOT.

This problem between these two clubs has been going on for years, and it won't stop.

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This is all moot...not a hope that rangers or celtic will be allowed to join any other league....I see the Scottish leagues as being feeder clubs for maybe championship sides at best..and in a few years (once we lost the Champions League coefficient) probably not even that.

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Arhturgray5o@blu...well said.not only are celtic paranoid,they're hypocrites and liars.the green brigade,who sing the songs of love and admiration of the provos,is sanctioned and supported by the celtic board.they're always saying "its the minority",or "we'll root them out and ban them",what happens..nothing wait for it to die down and carry on as normal.but now rangers are in the ****,they can see themselves in the future,in the same position.and they want out.only problem for them is england doesn't want the ****.and if i was a rangers fan i would vote for independence just to put the final nail in the coffin of celtics asspirations of joining english football.celtic really have no idea how hated they are down here,and watching them in european football and failing at the first hurdle gives me no end of pleasure..why dont they give up football and take up the scottish national sport.....TOSSING....LMAO.....ENGLAND FOREVER BRITAIN NEVER....

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Oh my oh my, someone has issues :)

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Seriously, you have issues!!

Celtic are not hated in England at all. Just a few small minded people that have issues.

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Absolutely spot on Stephen as as l know many people who support Celtic and have never had any issues at all.

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Stephen and Denphone, My only issue with Celtic and Rangers is the hatred towards each other.

I know for a fact within my wife's family, there is a hatred towards Rangers, you cannot talk about them, I was speaking with them just yesterday that Celtic have won the title by default, with Rangers being deducted the points gave the title to Celtic straight away. But they were having none of it, when the Queen is playing, they won't stand up for it and also turn there back on the monarchy.

When they came down to London for the London Cup at Wembley, l felt insulted by there singing directed at Londoners.

The major problem is that the Scottish football association have to say that Celtic and Rangers must put to rest this hatred towards each other, but they won't, this hatred has been going on for years and won't stop.

I once bought a Rangers shirt as a joke, some years ago, thinking that they would throw it away, but they didn't, they set fire to it.

They won't even walk down the same street as a Rangers fan and spit in there path.

I am a big fan of Scottish football, but this problem, has to be sorted out, l went onto Youtube and put in both clubs, and my god what a disgrace, BUT both clubs won't sort it out. For them to join the English Premier League you are asking for major troubles.

Problems that we have had over the past between London clubs has far gone, but this will all be brought back again if the old firm came to London.

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Celtic worked hard this season and would have won it even if Rangers hadn't been deducted points. That is a fact.

I know exactly what you mean. I stay in Dennistoun just next to Parkhead and near by there are a lot of Rangers themed pubs around, two of the most well known are the Louden and the Bristol Bar. Most are on Duke Street.

Frequently in Glasgow city centre I have been shouted at or spat at by 'Rangers' fans or wee kids on buses.

While I don't like Rangers its very horrible to see this behaviour or even be on the receiving end of it. It has gone one for over 100 yrs now and as much as the SFA try to stop it or put in measures to try and prevent it, it will always happen.

Dare I say it there are similar rivalries in England where by fans behave in a similar fashion. From when I used to live in Kent the worst I ever saw was going to a Gillingham Vs Fulham game when they both played in the same divison. There were coins, apple cores and allsorts being flung by the Fulham fans and after the game near to where me and my dad were leaving the ground, someone was stabbed.

Its just something that happens when fans get so passionate about their team and are also brought up with certain beliefs or information passed on that they mustn't like the other team or even fans of that team. Most pubs and shopping centres around Glasgow do not allow team colours to be worn, especially on match days.

Just yesterday there were the dreaded sounds of a marching flute band as the Orange order started their summer of pointless marching through various parts of Glasgow and the surrounding areas. Promting more hatred and annoyance as drunken neds in Rangers tops join in.

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The Queen plays for Rangers? No wonder Celtic fan's don't like her.