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Osem 06-01-2012 15:20

Will the world be a safer place....
 
.... as the US massively cuts its arms budget and focuses military attention on the Asia-Pacific region?

Quote:

China's state media have warned the US against "flexing its muscles" after Washington unveiled a defence review switching focus to the Asia-Pacific.

... it said any US militarism could create ill will and "endanger peace".

Mr Obama also plans $450bn (£290bn) in cuts to create a "leaner" military.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16438584

Is the European portion of NATO up to the job?

Alan Fry 06-01-2012 15:25

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No, the European nations are not utp the job as all as we are also mking defence cuts, not good when Iran is about!

Dai 06-01-2012 16:17

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I can't see America ever abandoning it's activity around the oil-producing nations. They know only too well that we're only a few meals away from anarchy if the oil stops flowing.

Alan Fry 06-01-2012 16:22

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Originally Posted by DaiNasty (Post 35356015)
I can't see America ever abandoning it's activity around the oil-producing nations. They know only too well that we're only a few meals away from anarchy if the oil stops flowing.

They seriouly need to invest far far more in alternative energy!

denphone 06-01-2012 16:27

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35356019)
They seriouly need to invest far far more in alternative energy!

And what energy would that be.

Sirius 06-01-2012 16:40

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35356021)
And what energy would that be.

The only source of energy capable of providing for the future needs at this time is Nuclear.

Its plain and simple the dreamers and environmentalists can bleat on about wind, wave, hydro and solar but at the end of the day we need a power source than can provide lots and lots of power at the drop of a hat.

denphone 06-01-2012 16:42

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35356027)
The only source of energy capable of providing for the future needs at this time is Nuclear. plain and simple

Yes you are right but as we have seen thats not risk free is it.

martyh 06-01-2012 16:45

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35356027)
The only source of energy capable of providing for the future needs at this time is Nuclear. Plain and simple, We can bleat on about wind, wave, hydro and solar but at the end of the day we need a power source than can provide lots and lots of power at the drop of a hat.

totally agree ,trouble is we should have started a nuclear program 20yrs ago

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35356030)
Yes you are right but as we have seen thats not risk free is it.

what is?

the risk is less now than it was 30-40 yrs ago because of technology advances

Maggy 06-01-2012 20:18

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I think we should get beyond the very bad habit we have as a species of putting all our eggs in one basket.
We need to use ALL the means we have to raise energy and we need to put as much money into research into all alternative sources of energy as we do into seeking out new oil and gas fields plus find ways to use what resources we do have left far more efficiently.That should include finding better ways to insulate and prevent heat wastage.

I also think we need much more lateral thinking such as that project where heat generated by a crematorium is used to heat local housing.Also the use of recycled products to generate heating should be encouraged instead of being prevented by nymbyism .

Hugh 06-01-2012 20:19

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35356021)
And what energy would that be.

Burning the Rich....

Maggy 06-01-2012 20:22

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Could we for once have a sensible and CIVILISED debate..Well at least until we reach triple figure posts.

Maggy 06-01-2012 20:25

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Siiiiigh!!!

Osem 06-01-2012 20:31

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35356178)
Could we for once have a sensible and CIVILISED debate..Well at least until we reach triple figure posts.

Yeah, one about US defence policy with a bit of luck.. :)

Maggy 06-01-2012 20:40

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35356191)
Yeah, one about US defence policy with a bit of luck.. :)

Well until the world's energy issues are resolved and everyone has access to energy resources that don't destroy the environment it's not going to be a safe place.Get that sorted and maybe there will be less reason to interfere in other countries affairs and then the US won't have an excuse to throw their weight about..

Well until the next resource that becomes finite that is.

Osem 06-01-2012 20:49

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35356195)
Well until the world's energy issues are resolved and everyone has access to energy resources that don't destroy the environment it's not going to be a safe place.Get that sorted and maybe there will be less reason to interfere in other countries affairs and then the US won't have an excuse to throw their weight about..

Well until the next resource that becomes finite that is.

True but that's all the same whether the US focuses on the Atlantic region or the Pacific. It's the change in their defence focus and spending which is the specific issue. China's feeling the heat and minds in Europe are being focused on the reality that, like them or not, the US war machine won't be available to do the hard yards in our neighbourhood. ;)

Ignitionnet 06-01-2012 20:55

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35355975)
.... as the US massively cuts its arms budget and focuses military attention on the Asia-Pacific region?



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16438584

Is the European portion of NATO up to the job?

No, the US need to wind their neck in and use their armed forces for defence rather than as an attempt to project their power abroad.

It's good that the military industrial complex is being cut though, a massive corporate welfare scheme.

Osem 06-01-2012 21:00

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It'll be interesting to find out where Obama's axe is going to fall and which services, programmes etc. are going to bear the brunt.

Ignitionnet 06-01-2012 21:03

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35356225)
It'll be interesting to find out where Obama's axe is going to fall and which services, programmes etc. are going to bear the brunt.

Wherever the companies that aren't contributing enough to his campaign are.

Osem 06-01-2012 21:08

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35356230)
Wherever the companies that aren't contributing enough to his campaign are.

I'd love to see a graphic of the before and after sitiuation overlaid on the campaign donors list. lol

Hugh 06-01-2012 21:19

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I think you may find that the large defence companies will be contributing to the GOP.....

You may find this and this and this informative regarding 2012 donations....

Osem 06-01-2012 21:23

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35356249)
I think you may find that the large defence companies will be contributing to the GOP.....

You may find this informative....

But not under Alan Fry's 'plan'..... :D

Presumably the Democrats don't derive much cash support from the military then or Obama's playing a dangerous game.

Could a diminished and possibly less confident US military machine with fewer options actually be more dangerous to world peace than what we have now? Cornered rat scenario?

Alan Fry 07-01-2012 12:32

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35356027)
The only source of energy capable of providing for the future needs at this time is Nuclear.

Its plain and simple the dreamers and environmentalists can bleat on about wind, wave, hydro and solar but at the end of the day we need a power source than can provide lots and lots of power at the drop of a hat.

We bee both wind, wave, hydro and solar and Nulclear.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35356195)
Well until the world's energy issues are resolved and everyone has access to energy resources that don't destroy the environment it's not going to be a safe place.Get that sorted and maybe there will be less reason to interfere in other countries affairs and then the US won't have an excuse to throw their weight about..

Well until the next resource that becomes finite that is.

The sooner that happens the better!

---------- Post added at 11:32 ---------- Previous post was at 11:26 ----------

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35356249)
I think you may find that the large defence companies will be contributing to the GOP.....

You may find this and this and this informative regarding 2012 donations....

Based on looking at what companies have given to Obama, Apple is going to have a hard time after 2012!

Hugh 07-01-2012 12:34

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Yes, that's right - Obama will stop everyone buying Apple products...

Alan Fry 07-01-2012 12:57

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35356571)
Yes, that's right - Obama will stop everyone buying Apple products...

I meant that Apples Rivals Mircorsoft and Google contrbuted money to Obama, he might be more favourable to them rather than to Apple!

Hugh 07-01-2012 14:16

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35356591)
I meant that Apples Rivals Mircorsoft and Google contrbuted money to Obama, he might be more favourable to them rather than to Apple!

Well, considering that most major corporates, including MS and Google, give to both parties, your proposition may be sub-optimal....

Linky

RizzyKing 09-01-2012 01:46

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Sorry but as far as i am concerned this is just the usual obama rhetoric that won't actually come to anything near what he says in practice. Also is anyone stupid enough to believe they will alter their focus on the oil at all. We're also expected to believe that all of a sudden they are no longer bothered about iran yeah ok lol.

I think there will be a reduction in naval forces in the gulf to make this rhetoric appear legit hoping the iranians are stupid enough to do something that hands the US an excuse. Level of cuts obama is talking about would mean the closure of many domestic military installations that would be catastrophic to local economies. It's exactly what you do in an election year hit tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of american voters.

Thats also putting aside the damage being seen to hit military hard will to voter perception of obama. Americans may not always be happy with how their politicians use the military but they have very strong support for their forces.

Alan Fry 09-01-2012 13:30

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35357597)
Sorry but as far as i am concerned this is just the usual obama rhetoric that won't actually come to anything near what he says in practice. Also is anyone stupid enough to believe they will alter their focus on the oil at all. We're also expected to believe that all of a sudden they are no longer bothered about iran yeah ok lol.

I think there will be a reduction in naval forces in the gulf to make this rhetoric appear legit hoping the iranians are stupid enough to do something that hands the US an excuse. Level of cuts obama is talking about would mean the closure of many domestic military installations that would be catastrophic to local economies. It's exactly what you do in an election year hit tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of american voters.

Thats also putting aside the damage being seen to hit military hard will to voter perception of obama. Americans may not always be happy with how their politicians use the military but they have very strong support for their forces.

To honest this defence cuts will not happen because his rivals control the lower house of congress, they would be strongly aganst defence cuts, not to mention lobbying by defence companies like Lockheed Martin and Boeing!


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