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HD Boy 18-12-2011 21:51

Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
Now that Channel 5 HD will not be on Freeview in April 2012. Ofcom have said the spare capacity will be handed back to the BBC. The BBC now have the option to launch another BBC HD channel on freeview. Remember All BBC HD channels have to be on all TV platforms that support HD in the UK.

Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?

Please specify other below.

v0id 18-12-2011 22:22

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
Wouldn't surprise me if the Beeb just added a HD simulcast of BBC News 24

Maggy 18-12-2011 22:25

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I don't care.I just wish every channel would stop showing programmes that are NOT HD on their HD channels.

Chris 18-12-2011 22:27

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
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Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35347590)
Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?

Yes. I also want a Ferrari, a private island and a luxury yacht to sail around it. Can we have a poll for that too?

HD Boy 18-12-2011 22:33

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
Thanks for putting the " All of them" option but can someone tell me why the poll now has a option called " Some other equally pointless option " ?

Chris 18-12-2011 22:35

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
I'll leave you to guess.

HD Boy 18-12-2011 22:37

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35347616)
I'll leave you to guess.

Why did you change the poll option to suit your personal view ?

I do not think that is fair.

toady 18-12-2011 22:41

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
Bit of a biased poll, had to select 'Some other equally pointless option'.

I'm happy with the two they have, BBC HD shows all the HD from their other channels that isn't on BBC 1

I'm not sure what benefits having CBBC in HD would be

Chris 18-12-2011 22:41

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35347617)
Why did you change the poll to suit your personal view ?

I do not think that is fair.

Anyone who wants to take the poll seriously can click one of the two options you consider to be serious.

Anyone who thinks this is just another pointless fantasy daydream over something that has absolutely zero chance of happening any time in the near future can now express that view in the poll.

HD Boy 18-12-2011 22:44

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
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Originally Posted by toady (Post 35347618)
Bit of a biased poll, had to select 'Some other equally pointless option'.

I'm happy with the two they have, BBC HD shows all the HD from their other channels that isn't on BBC 1

I'm not sure what benefits having CBBC in HD would be

BBC HD is to get replaced by BBC Two HD and for BBC HD to close. The BBC now have the option to keep BBC HD.

Sirius 18-12-2011 22:46

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Some other equally pointless option as its a waste of our time AGAIN

Chris 18-12-2011 22:53

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Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35347622)
That is due to get replaced by BBC Two HD. The BBC now have the option to keep BBC HD.

That option was always open to them. The BBC was broadcasting HD by satellite and cable long before any capacity became available on Freeview. The limitations of Freeview HD has never been the issue and never will be. If the BBC wanted, and had the resources, to broadcast a third, fourth, fifth or a zillionth channel in HD there was never anything stopping them.

Unfortunately, there is something stopping them. It's called money, or rather, the lack of it. The whole reason they are dropping BBC HD in favour of BBC2HD is because it is cheaper to run a full simulcast than it is to run an entirely separate channel.

If you read around the subject you claim to be so interested in, rather than wasting your time daydreaming, fantasising and starting multiple pointless polls about it, you might have understood this. The information was, after all, published a good few weeks ago by the BBC. It received lots of national press coverage and was discussed at length on this forum.

HD Boy 18-12-2011 22:57

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35347628)
The limitations of Freeview HD has never been the issue and never will be. If the BBC wanted, and had the resources, to broadcast a third, fourth, fifth or a zillionth channel in HD there was never anything stopping them.

Well what i have thought was that All BBC HD channels have to be on all TV platforms that support HD in the UK. So i would say freeview has been stopping them.

Jameseh 18-12-2011 23:01

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The BBC cannot afford a third HD channel, even if the bandwidth for a one on DTT is served up to them on a plate.

Simple as.

Chris 18-12-2011 23:10

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Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35347630)
Well what i have thought was that All BBC HD channels have to be on all TV platforms that support HD in the UK. So i would say freeview has been stopping them.

You thought wrong.

BBC HD was running for 2 years as a fully-functional TV channel before beginning to roll out on Freeview. In fact Freeview HD is still not available to the whole UK.

Freeview does not have sufficient bandwidth for all the BBC's channels to broadcast in HD, which must be the long term aim, given that there will come a point when all new BBC content is originated in HD. Under current arrangements it's difficult to see where the bandwidth is ever going to come from.

HD Boy 18-12-2011 23:12

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35347636)
You thought wrong.

BBC HD was running for 2 years as a fully-functional TV channel before beginning to roll out on Freeview.

All BBC HD channels have to be on all TV platforms that support HD in the UK.

Freeview did not support HD in 2006 when BBC HD launched.

Stephen 18-12-2011 23:20

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It doesn't matter what your thoughts are or what you want to happen, the BBC is strapped for cash which is why the BBC HD channel is changing to a simulate of BBC2.

So stop banging on about an extra BBC HD channel as it will not be happening.

They will be getting the capacity for an extra channel but more than likely they will sell it to someone else.

HD Boy 18-12-2011 23:23

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35347640)

They will be getting the capacity for an extra channel but more than likely they will sell it to someone else.

If that were to happen. Then i think E4 HD , Film4 HD or More4 HD would get the slot.

Stephen 18-12-2011 23:25

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Unless something else totally new was to launch on freeview HD.

HD Boy 18-12-2011 23:27

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35347644)
Unless something else totally new was to launch on freeview HD.

Maybe even QVC HD :D That would be a bad choice IMO.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...ing-in-3d.html


Anyway i am still hoping the BBC now launch a third HD channel next year . Probably a long shot. You never know i suppose.

Stephen 18-12-2011 23:41

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We do know as the BBC have already told us their plans.

A lot of people use QVC so it would not be a bad choice for a new HD channel.

HD Boy 18-12-2011 23:52

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No other broadcaster was interested when the freeview slot was last advertised just 3 months ago, so there would be little reason for C4 etc to be interested now.

So i not sure what will happen to the freeview slot.

Chris 19-12-2011 00:46

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Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35347637)
All BBC HD channels have to be on all TV platforms that support HD in the UK.

Freeview did not support HD in 2006 when BBC HD launched.

Right. So the rule for the BBC is, if they can support a platform, they should. If they can't support a platform, that doesn't stop them supporting others. Which leaves us right back where we started: lack of capacity on Freeview is no barrier to the BBC doing anything on any other platform.

The barrier right now is lack of money, a fact you would have been aware of if you were genuinely interested in this subject.

That is what renders your poll pointless.

RB2004 19-12-2011 06:00

Could be wrong but I've found hd channels to work on non hd tvs.. Therefore never really understood the point of having a duplicate hd and sd channel.. Why not just ditch bbc1 in favour of bbc1 hd, and same with itv1 in favour of itv1 hd etc just show the hd version of the channel, seeming as they aren't subscription channels anyway Instead of duplicating channels.. That in itself would free up bandwidth for new channels.

beeman 19-12-2011 08:53

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Originally Posted by RB2004 (Post 35347692)
Could be wrong but I've found hd channels to work on non hd tvs.. Therefore never really understood the point of having a duplicate hd and sd channel.. Why not just ditch bbc1 in favour of bbc1 hd, and same with itv1 in favour of itv1 hd etc just show the hd version of the channel, seeming as they aren't subscription channels anyway Instead of duplicating channels.. That in itself would free up bandwidth for new channels.

That could work in the long term however cant work right away as none hd freeview boxes/TV's wont bee able to decode the HD freeview signal (i beleave) meaning if they did that right now anyway with a standard freeview box/tuner would loose access to BBC1/2 ITV and C4

Alan Fry 19-12-2011 16:29

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What could most likely happen is that we get BBC One HD, BBC Two HD and BBC HD (for other channels)

Stephen 19-12-2011 16:34

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35347956)
What could most likely happen is that we get BBC One HD, BBC Two HD and BBC HD (for other channels)

They don't have the money to do that though. Which is why the BBC HD channel is changing to BBC2 HD.

HD Boy 19-12-2011 16:41

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35347965)
Which is why the BBC HD channel is changing to BBC2 HD.

Plans can change
Quote:

In August, C21 reported the BBC would wind down its red button video services accessed on platforms such as Freeview (through non-connected TVs) after the Olympics to free up additional bandwidth to launch high-definition versions of its channels. Existing video services offered via the red button will move online.
http://www.c21media.net/archives/74295

Alan Fry 19-12-2011 16:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35347965)
They don't have the money to do that though. Which is why the BBC HD channel is changing to BBC2 HD.

Can you lease capacity on Freeview?

HD Boy 19-12-2011 16:47

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35347979)
Can you lease capacity on Freeview?

Ofcom have said the spare capacity will be handed back to the BBC. The BBC now have the option to launch another BBC HD channel on freeview.

The BBC can offer the spare capacity to some else ie C4. So channel 4 could launch E4 HD , Film4 HD or More4 HD on freeview.

Alan Fry 19-12-2011 16:51

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Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35347983)
Ofcom have said the spare capacity will be handed back to the BBC. The BBC now have the option to launch another BBC HD channel on freeview.

The BBC can offer the spare capacity to some else ie C4. So channel 4 could launch E4 HD , Film4 HD or More4 HD on freeview.


Thanks for telling me!

HD Boy 19-12-2011 16:55

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35347988)
Thanks for telling me!

Maybe even QVC HD on freeview That would be a bad choice IMO.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35347646-post20.html

Stephen 19-12-2011 17:31

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Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35347997)
Maybe even QVC HD on freeview That would be a bad choice IMO.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35347646-post20.html

Why on earth are you repeating yourself yet again and linking to your own post saying exactly the same thing :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35347975)

You already said that a few times and the BBC could only changes their plans if they got more money.

HD Boy 19-12-2011 17:32

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35348040)
Why on earth are you repeating yourself yet again and linking to your own post saying exactly the same thing :rolleyes:

Incase he had not read it. He also did not know about the BBC could give someone else the spare capacity even though you already said it on the 2 page of this thread.

devilincarnate 19-12-2011 17:49

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35348040)
Why on earth are you repeating yourself yet again and linking to your own post saying exactly the same thing :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35348043)
Incase he had not read it. He also did not know about the BBC could give someone else the spare capacity even though you already said it on the 2 page of this thread.

Have I just missed something here.:confused:

HD Boy 19-12-2011 17:54

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35348049)
Have I just missed something here.:confused:

Alan asked
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35347979-post29.html

Stephen had already said eariler on that page that they could.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35347640-post17.html

paultrademark 19-12-2011 18:14

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Do you bookmark every link/thread/comment you read on some kind of database or just use search alot HD Boy?

Chris 19-12-2011 19:01

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
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Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35347983)
Ofcom have said the spare capacity will be handed back to the BBC. The BBC now have the option to launch another BBC HD channel on freeview.

In the same sense that I have the option to buy a Porsche. I have a driving licence and I have spare capacity on my driveway.

The only problem is, if I did that I wouldn't have any money left for anything else, including food.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Hugh 19-12-2011 20:04

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Less of the personal attacks, please, otherwise fracks will be issued.

---------- Post added at 19:04 ---------- Previous post was at 18:52 ----------

Off topic posts deleted - last warning.

Itshim 22-12-2011 10:01

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
As I NEVER pick them as a choice I for one could not care less. If its a choice between HD & cuts/or more of my money I would drop the HD every time

Andrewcrawford23 22-12-2011 11:56

Re: Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HD Boy (Post 35347590)
Now that Channel 5 HD will not be on Freeview in April 2012. Ofcom have said the spare capacity will be handed back to the BBC. The BBC now have the option to launch another BBC HD channel on freeview. Remember All BBC HD channels have to be on all TV platforms that support HD in the UK.

Do you want the BBC to have a third HD channel ?

Please specify other below.

Only BBc 1 and BBc 2 have to be on all platforms cbbc, cbeebies bbc 3 and bbc4 dnt nither does the news channels or the interactive


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