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Digital Fanatic 05-12-2011 15:24

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The UK's 'big four' supermarkets stand accused of misleading shoppers with confusing and untrue claims about their special offers which could potentially leave them open to prosecution.

The BBC's Panorama programme has uncovered a series of pricing flaws at Asda, Morrisons Tesco and Sainsbury's. Experts say some are in breach of consumer protection regulations.
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I've often seen two smaller packs being better value by more than 50p of the "better value - larger packs"... no wonder are bills are going up! Rip off Britain indeed! :mad:

Gary L 05-12-2011 15:28

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They're doing it with everything now. it's them against us. and the way it works is that they treat us like an idiot.

idi banashapan 05-12-2011 15:37

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I'm surprised it's taken this long for the media to catch on to this. it's been going on for years. many a time I've seen 'deals' whereby buying the same number of items individually is cheaper. they prey on those who can't be bothered to actually count to work out if it's actually going to save them money! for instance, I remember seeing a 3 pack of tuna being £1 more than were i to buy three tins individually. same kind of thing with the mini pizzas. my friends and I used to out-do each other by trying to find the worst deal when we went shopping!!

martyh 05-12-2011 17:46

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I can't believe that the BBC have devoted a whole program to this what a waste of money and i can't believe that people don't understand why supermarkets have to do it ,it's not a con it's all to with stock movement and the price it is bought from the supplier

Gary L 05-12-2011 17:49

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35340943)
I can't believe that the BBC have devoted a whole program to this what a waste of money and i can't believe that people don't understand why supermarkets have to do it ,it's not a con it's all to with stock movement and the price it is bought from the supplier

You can tell he owns Tesco's. can't you? :D

Stuart 05-12-2011 17:55

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35340943)
I can't believe that the BBC have devoted a whole program to this what a waste of money and i can't believe that people don't understand why supermarkets have to do it ,it's not a con it's all to with stock movement and the price it is bought from the supplier

What? Have you ever dealt with a supermarket as a supplier? I know people who have, and let me tell you how it happens. You don't set them a price. They come to you and tell you that they will pay such and such a price. If you make a loss, that's your problem. You nominally have the option to agree to sell to them at that price, or disagree and not sell to them. I say "Nominally" because you can do it, but they trade on the fact that very few companies (whether small, medium, large or huge) can afford to ignore the extra sales that the likes of Tesco and Sainsburys will bring them. So, no, they don't have to do it (or if they do, they are massively incompetent). If you think any of the supermarkets trade as honestly as they make out, you are, frankly, naive.

Sadly, the two best people to talk about this (gazfan and Nugget) don't seem to be around much anymore.

Especially as all the supermarkets are reporting record yearly profits almost as a matter of course now.

And actually, it's part of Panorama's remit to investigate situations where large groups of the population may be being conned.

martyh 05-12-2011 18:02

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35340945)
You can tell he owns Tesco's. can't you? :D

I wish :D

Supermarkets buy products from the manufacturers in huge quantities so they can get them at the right price thus selling to us at a low price and still make a profit .Sometimes it will happen that the buyers can get for eg 10,000 large tubs of clover but only 5,000 small tubs of clover .the small tubs will priced as normal but the large tubs will be priced cheaper because A) they where bought at a cheaper price than normal because of the quantity and b)the supermarket have to move that stock before the sell by date comes due so they put the large tubs on a special price to attract customers knowing full well that most will not compare prices they will just pick up the tub with a big red £2 tag on it .Nothing wrong with it ,it is a perfectly sound selling strategy

Stuart 05-12-2011 18:12

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35340954)
I wish :D

Supermarkets buy products from the manufacturers in huge quantities so they can get them at the right price thus selling to us at a low price and still make a profit .Sometimes it will happen that the buyers can get for eg 10,000 large tubs of clover but only 5,000 small tubs of clover .the small tubs will priced as normal but the large tubs will be priced cheaper because A) they where bought at a cheaper price than normal because of the quantity and b)the supermarket have to move that stock before the sell by date comes due so they put the large tubs on a special price to attract customers knowing full well that most will not compare prices they will just pick up the tub with a big red £2 tag on it .Nothing wrong with it ,it is a perfectly sound selling strategy

That's not the point panorama is making.. They were making the point that in a lot of cases, the supermarkets were charging more for the large items than they were for the appropriate number of small items. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/fr...00/9652944.stm

One example there is Tesco charge £12 for a large container of Vanish. If you buy the same amount of Vanish in smaller containers, it comes to £9. I'd be surprised if Tesco paid any more than £3 for each large container.

The article also makes the point that in many cases, they are telling us that something is a special price when, in fact, it isn't. This is actually a common selling strategy, but it isn't morally sound, and, if the article is correct, is legally dubious.

And another thing. Supermarkets rarely suffer problems due to something being near it's sell by date. It does happen, but they have spent £millions on streamlining their ordering, inventory and logistics systems so that the company rarely holds more than a couple of days of stock.

They don't, of course, tell the customer any of this.
In the meantime they are telling us that they are getting cheaper than ever (when actually the reverse is true).

martyh 05-12-2011 18:53

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35340962)
That's not the point panorama is making.. They were making the point that in a lot of cases, the supermarkets were charging more for the large items than they were for the appropriate number of small items. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/fr...00/9652944.stm

One example there is Tesco charge £12 for a large container of Vanish. If you buy the same amount of Vanish in smaller containers, it comes to £9. I'd be surprised if Tesco paid any more than £3 for each large container.

The article also makes the point that in many cases, they are telling us that something is a special price when, in fact, it isn't. This is actually a common selling strategy, but it isn't morally sound, and, if the article is correct, is legally dubious.

And another thing. Supermarkets rarely suffer problems due to something being near it's sell by date. It does happen, but they have spent £millions on streamlining their ordering, inventory and logistics systems so that the company rarely holds more than a couple of days of stock.

They don't, of course, tell the customer any of this.
In the meantime they are telling us that they are getting cheaper than ever (when actually the reverse is true).

don't get me wrong ,i don't trust special offers or the big red price tag ,my wife works in a large freezer chain and is quite vocal when we go to morrisons and always checks the price of the smaller packages compared to special price of larger packs .People do have to remember though that supermarkets are trying to make a profit from the consumer not do us favours (no matter what their adverts say)and pricing strategies such as these highlighted are as you say common and have been used for years and not just in supermarkets .The point i was trying to make about the sell by dates was that because the supermarkets have streamlined their ordering ,inventory and logistics to such a extent means that if they have a large quantity of a certain size container (maybe large tubs of clover)they will be priced to attract customers and move quicker that normal because they won't want them lying around on the shelves and that particular size may not be a common stock item for the supermarket such as this example below

At the moment cat food (felix agail to be precise) is currently on special price at most supermarkets for around £12-13 for 48 pouches ,this same offer is in most large supermarkets ,my local Jolly's pet shop and my wifes freezer shop .That points to the manufacturer having a glut of this particular size package (which morrison, Jolly's or farmfoods don't normally stock) and so it is priced as a special ...buying 2x 24 pouch packs is £2 cheaper though and i'll bet a weeks wage that it will be the turn of whiskers to enter the merry go round of special prices in the next couple of weeks .People need to look better that is all

Hom3r 05-12-2011 19:38

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I always check unit/£ per KG price, and have NEVER been conned by this practice.

I saw a program that set up a market stall and sold an item and had a sign 49P each or 2 for £1. They couldn't understand why when they gave their £1 they got 2p change.

Maggy 05-12-2011 21:15

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Buy only what you need when you need it.

blackthorn 05-12-2011 21:27

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Martyh, you havent looked at the boxes of Felix agail or the whiskas properly, they have reduced the amount in them to 44 sachets, not 48, theyve been like that for months now.

dave6x 05-12-2011 21:31

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Caveat Emptor - Let the buyer beware

This was the rule in my dealings with commercial suppliers, and is the same when you purchase anything from anybody!

Retailers are there to make a profit and to keep the owners and shareholders happy.

Careful shopping can produce good savings and in most cases supermarkets show the price per unit, per 100g, etc., that can be used for comparison. If shoppers are too lazy to do their homework then they shouldn't complain that the supermarkets are ripping them off when they allow themselves to be ripped off!

martyh 05-12-2011 21:38

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Originally Posted by blackthorn (Post 35341097)
Martyh, you havent looked at the boxes of Felix agail or the whiskas properly, they have reduced the amount in them to 44 sachets, not 48, theyve been like that for months now.

yes they have you are quite correct ;) i have missed that one

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Originally Posted by dave6x (Post 35341103)
Caveat Emptor - Let the buyer beware

This was the rule in my dealings with commercial suppliers, and is the same when you purchase anything from anybody!

Retailers are there to make a profit and to keep the owners and shareholders happy.

Careful shopping can produce good savings and in most cases supermarkets show the price per unit, per 100g, etc., that can be used for comparison. If shoppers are too lazy to do their homework then they shouldn't complain that the supermarkets are ripping them off when they allow themselves to be ripped off!


What he said :tu:

Maggy 05-12-2011 21:45

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Originally Posted by dave6x (Post 35341103)
Caveat Emptor - Let the buyer beware

This was the rule in my dealings with commercial suppliers, and is the same when you purchase anything from anybody!

Retailers are there to make a profit and to keep the owners and shareholders happy.

Careful shopping can produce good savings and in most cases supermarkets show the price per unit, per 100g, etc., that can be used for comparison. If shoppers are too lazy to do their homework then they shouldn't complain that the supermarkets are ripping them off when they allow themselves to be ripped off!

What a nice get out.Frankly the retailers should also have a mind to their consumers rights as well.
Oh for the days when those who were caught cheating their customers were placed in the stocks..

dave6x 05-12-2011 22:12

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35341114)
What a nice get out.Frankly the retailers should also have a mind to their consumers rights as well.
Oh for the days when those who were caught cheating their customers were placed in the stocks..

I would agree with you where a retailer is deliberately misleading a customer.

Maybe a good example of this would be VM boldly offering a headline "unlimited" broadband product then caveating this with lots of small print that would confuse the same people who have difficulty making price comparisons in supermarkets!

Zee 05-12-2011 22:28

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I've seen this, even when items are not on offer such as tubs of clover, tins of tuna and washing powders, you just have to be clever with your shopping.

Maggy 05-12-2011 23:30

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Originally Posted by dave6x (Post 35341129)
I would agree with you where a retailer is deliberately misleading a customer.

Maybe a good example of this would be VM boldly offering a headline "unlimited" broadband product then caveating this with lots of small print that would confuse the same people who have difficulty making price comparisons in supermarkets!

So you would say hiding behind the tiny print on the packaging is not a deliberate attempt at obfuscation? If retailers and producers of the food we buy didn't try and confuse with the tiny print I would agree with you.

Trying to work out the caloric or WW points of particular foods is then confusing because they then throw in the per 100 grms rule but the product maybe 120 or 57 grms in weight or 317 and that's before we consider drained weight.
Then working out percentages of salt or fat also requires some more maths..

I get some queer looks when I'm standing there with my magnifying glass and calculator in hand..plus the time it takes to do this research..

No I want them to be far more open than they are and they can stick their buyer beware.I just wish Which got more involved in food retailing..

martyh 05-12-2011 23:33

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35341192)
So you would say hiding behind the tiny print on the packaging is not a deliberate attempt at obfuscation? If retailers and producers of the food we buy didn't try and confuse with the tiny print I would agree with you.

Trying to work out the caloric or WW points of particular foods is then confusing because they then throw in the per 100 grms rule but the product maybe 120 or 57 grms in weight or 317 and that's before we consider drained weight.
Then working out percentages of salt or fat also requires some more maths..

I get some queer looks when I'm standing there with my magnifying glass and calculator in hand..plus the time it takes to do this research..

No I want them to be far more open than they are and they can stick their buyer beware.I just wish Which got more involved in food retailing..

Seriously ? good grief Maggie just buy what you like and enjoy it ,worrying about crap like that will lead you to early grave ;)

Stuart 05-12-2011 23:33

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35340991)
At the moment cat food (felix agail to be precise) is currently on special price at most supermarkets for around £12-13 for 48 pouches ,this same offer is in most large supermarkets ,my local Jolly's pet shop and my wifes freezer shop .That points to the manufacturer having a glut of this particular size package (which morrison, Jolly's or farmfoods don't normally stock) and so it is priced as a special ...buying 2x 24 pouch packs is £2 cheaper though and i'll bet a weeks wage that it will be the turn of whiskers to enter the merry go round of special prices in the next couple of weeks .People need to look better that is all

People do need to look better. Although that's not always an easy thing to do if you are a parent doing the weekly shop with a couple of angry/bored kids in tow.

My bone of contention is that we have laws in place to stop that kind of con. If you or I tried that sort of thing, we'd likely be arrested if we were caught. Supermarkets are getting away with misrepresenting prices, and earning millions of pounds a day doing it, yet are seemingly free to do so.

That is wrong.

The trouble is, we don't have a government with the balls to stand up to them. We haven't for decades, and it shows in the state of the rest of the food and groceries market.

Maggy 05-12-2011 23:39

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35341193)
Seriously ? good grief Maggie just buy what you like and enjoy it ,worrying about crap like that will lead you to early grave ;)

I'm obese and I'm trying to lose weight.However retailers keep trying to lie to me about what is in the products they produce especially those supposedly low in fat.

Cobbydaler 05-12-2011 23:47

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35341192)
So you would say hiding behind the tiny print on the packaging is not a deliberate attempt at obfuscation? If retailers and producers of the food we buy didn't try and confuse with the tiny print I would agree with you.

Trying to work out the caloric or WW points of particular foods is then confusing because they then throw in the per 100 grms rule but the product maybe 120 or 57 grms in weight or 317 and that's before we consider drained weight.
Then working out percentages of salt or fat also requires some more maths..

I get some queer looks when I'm standing there with my magnifying glass and calculator in hand..plus the time it takes to do this research..

No I want them to be far more open than they are and they can stick their buyer beware.I just wish Which got more involved in food retailing..

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35341197)
I'm obese and I'm trying to lose weight.However retailers keep trying to lie to me about what is in the products they produce especially those supposedly low in fat.

But this has nothing to do with the original topic of price rip offs... ;)

martyh 05-12-2011 23:56

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35341197)
I'm obese and I'm trying to lose weight.However retailers keep trying to lie to me about what is in the products they produce especially those supposedly low in fat.

not the first time that has been said , and i think a much more worthy cause for Panarama to investigate than suposed "conning " by supermarkets because people don't read price labels properly

Maggy 06-12-2011 00:01

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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35341201)
But this has nothing to do with the original topic of price rip offs... ;)

It's all in the same ball park..hiding the real price or ingredient make up of their products are both reprehensible.They only gives us what info they do because they have been bullied into it. Let's bully them some more.;)

Digital Fanatic 06-12-2011 00:48

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It just feels like deception... 4 cans of beans for £2 in pack labelled as "value pack", sounds good until you see the cans of beans individually are 45p each.

It all adds up and the customer is being taken for a fool. The supermarkets are making excessive profits on the back of this. :dozey:

Gary L 06-12-2011 00:55

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Just think of all them Grannies they have conned. they can't use that "it was a genuine mistake" they deliberately set out to fool our grannies and cheat them out of their pensions.

nomadking 06-12-2011 01:36

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35341218)
It just feels like deception... 4 cans of beans for £2 in pack labelled as "value pack", sounds good until you see the cans of beans individually are 45p each.

It all adds up and the customer is being taken for a fool. The supermarkets are making excessive profits on the back of this. :dozey:

Are the single items on special offer? Are they supermarket own brands? If not, isn't it down to the suppliers who had the labelling done?

Tinky 06-12-2011 07:50

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I thought I had a bargain 2 boxes of cuppa soup for £1.08, but when I got outside and checked my bill I had been charged separately £1.08 minus 43p and £1.08 minus 43p total £2.16 minus 86p = £1.30! I've kept the bill for a refund next time I am in there again. :mad:

denphone 06-12-2011 08:22

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35341090)
Buy only what you need when you need it.

A common sense answer if ever l saw one.:)

dave6x 06-12-2011 09:58

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35341192)
So you would say hiding behind the tiny print on the packaging is not a deliberate attempt at obfuscation? If retailers and producers of the food we buy didn't try and confuse with the tiny print I would agree with you.

Trying to work out the caloric or WW points of particular foods is then confusing because they then throw in the per 100 grms rule but the product maybe 120 or 57 grms in weight or 317 and that's before we consider drained weight.
Then working out percentages of salt or fat also requires some more maths..

I get some queer looks when I'm standing there with my magnifying glass and calculator in hand..plus the time it takes to do this research..

No I want them to be far more open than they are and they can stick their buyer beware.I just wish Which got more involved in food retailing..

I did basically agree with you that customers should not be misled by detail being buried in the small print, what ever the product may be!

Unfortunately I do not have much experience of trying to compare processed foods as apart from the odd pack of beefburgers or frozen pizza it's not stuff we buy, we generally keep away from junk food. We mostly buy fresh foodstuff and prepare our meals from that, we know where to buy for best quality/value compromise.

We are lucky that we have LIDL, Sainsbury's, Tesco, Waitrose, ASDA, Iceland all less than a mile away and within walking distance. There is also a twice weekly market in town and a very good fruit and veg retailer. We also use MySupermarket for price comparisons on branded goods we require, not always that useful though as not all offers are in store, some are only online.

However good luck with your quest.

Tim Deegan 06-12-2011 11:25

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35341114)
What a nice get out.Frankly the retailers should also have a mind to their consumers rights as well.
Oh for the days when those who were caught cheating their customers were placed in the stocks..

There wouldn't be enough stocks!!!

It's not just supermarkets, it's most big high street retailers.

We all know that retailers have to make profits. However they shouldn't be using fake sales, misleading offers, or lies to con the consumer into buying from them.

As I said it's not just the supermarkets, it also applies to many other retail sectors. I'm not picking out Dreams as being any worse than any other large retailer, but I'm just using them as an example:
  • They have fake price promises. You can't actually buy most of their products anywhere else, because they have been renamed, and the spec sometimes changed.
  • Because they have products renamed then they can claim the RRP's to be whatever they want. So as you can imagine they claim the RRP is sky high.
  • Then because they have artificially high RRP's they then advertise a 'Better than half price sale'. This leads the consumers to believe that they are getting a huge discount from the normal price.
  • To comply with the law, they only have to sell an item at their so called usual price, for a couple of weeks every 6 months. So their so called sale price is actually their usual price.
  • But what most people don't realise is that their so called sale price is often up to double the price you really should be paying.

So as an example, lets say a mattress that they have listed at £1000 as the normal price, will probably be £499 in their fake sale (so 1p better than half price). But the price that you could find the equivalent mattress for elswhere would probably be closer to £250.

Pierre 06-12-2011 12:00

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It's a game.

I shop at our local Tescos and noticed the pricing anomalies ages ago.

Especially the classic 2 for the price of 2 and the bigger pack, bigger price.

It now makes shopping a bit more entertaining.

Tim Deegan 06-12-2011 12:14

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35341333)
It's a game.

I shop at our local Tescos and noticed the pricing anomalies ages ago.

Especially the classic 2 for the price of 2 and the bigger pack, bigger price.

It now makes shopping a bit more entertaining.

It may be a game for someone like you who notices things like that. But it's not for the pensioner, or the hard up single parent dragging her kids around the supermarket, and being too stressed out to check the prices that closely....It is in fact a con, plain and simple.

And as for my previous post, then example I gave is even more blatant, and is purposely designed to mislead.

Saaf_laandon_mo 06-12-2011 13:01

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I bought 11 mega sizzle lollypops for £1 from Tesco on Sunday. Usually 30p each. Real bargains do exist!

Gary L 06-12-2011 13:12

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 35341364)
I bought 11 mega sizzle lollypops for £1 from Tesco on Sunday. Usually 30p each. Real bargains do exist!

It's only Tuesday today. have you got any left or have you licked them all?

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35341338)
It may be a game for someone like you who notices things like that. But it's not for the pensioner, or the hard up single parent dragging her kids around the supermarket, and being too stressed out to check the prices that closely....It is in fact a con, plain and simple.


And what excuse would Tesco's give to gran when gran says I feel like you conned me out of my pension pittance.

probably a tough, it's not our fault that you trusted us and you're too stupid.

Stuart 06-12-2011 13:29

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35341338)
It may be a game for someone like you who notices things like that. But it's not for the pensioner, or the hard up single parent dragging her kids around the supermarket, and being too stressed out to check the prices that closely....It is in fact a con, plain and simple.

And as for my previous post, then example I gave is even more blatant, and is purposely designed to mislead.

The Supermarkets do (rightly) say they label goods with an accurate per-unit price. This can be checked to see if they are charging more for a large box than they do for multiple smaller boxes.

However, in my local Sainsburys, they print this in a small font (usually 8 point or less), which would be difficult for a lot of people to read. They also often print it in black ink (or toner) on a dark (usually purple) background.

The size would make it nearly impossible for most pensioners to read, and even a lot of people will average eyesight will have trouble. Add the colour, and I suspect most people would have trouble reading, and those who do have eye problems would find it almost impossible.

It's easy to argue that we should be looking out for the best prices, and attempts to con us, and we should, but it's not so easy for everyone to do so. However, the government should be actively stamping out any attempts to con large swathes of the population.

And no, I don't think the Supermarkets are the only companies attempting to con the consumer.

tweetiepooh 06-12-2011 13:45

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The unit price can also be a little hard to work out too. It all needs to be in the same units for the same product not price per tin on some. price by volume on others and price by mass on yet others.

Then you need to look at what's in it too. It may be cheaper per tin but if there is less product or less real ingredients is it really a bargain.

Also take care not to waste money three for two won't save anything if you only need one.

Pierre 06-12-2011 15:16

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35341338)
It may be a game for someone like you who notices things like that. But it's not for the pensioner,

I hope when I reach pensionable age people don't start treating me like some imbecile, or automatically like someone that has dementia.

When you hit 67 does your IQ suddenly hit the floor?

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or the hard up single parent dragging her kids around the supermarket, and being too stressed out to check the prices that closely
I agree, if you don't have the time, or inclination then you may come a cropper.

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It is in fact a con, plain and simple.
Some of it is.

Other bits are amateur psychology the 2 for the price of 2 is a classic example.

It's like pricing stuff £4.99 we all know it's really £5.

It's nothing new.

The new low price, which isn't actually lower etc is only the same as the way products advertise themselves.

Bold, Bold II, Bold III, new Bold all in one..... we all know it hadn't changed, or improved, it just repackaged itself.

It's not really the massive issue it's being made out to be.

Gary L 06-12-2011 15:56

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35341450)
Bold, Bold II, Bold III, new Bold all in one..... we all know it hadn't changed, or improved, it just repackaged itself.

That really annoys me too. nothing's changed at all. they're still putting the same rubbish in as they've always done. and it just means that the old powder you used to use that they sold for years before they latched on to "New improved formula!" marketing hype, must have been really crap.

the selling point with washing powder to many of the masses is the temperature it will wash at. it's gone all the way down to 15° at the moment.

in a couple of months it will be you can wash your clothes at freezing point.

why would you want to wash your clothes at 15°?
is your machine capable of doing it at that temperature even?

Maggy 06-12-2011 18:34

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There is a toilet cleaner whose original product I'd like back on the shelves.
The only thing that was 'wrong' with it was it was in powder form.
Now I have to have it in liquid form.
Guess what? Powder sticks to the sides of the pan for a very long time..the liquid just slides down into the water.

I see this as a way of making us waste more of the product thereby making us buy it at double the speed and price.

martyh 06-12-2011 19:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35341450)
I hope when I reach pensionable age people don't start treating me like some imbecile, or automatically like someone that has dementia.

When you hit 67 does your IQ suddenly hit the floor?

for some it does ,if not sooner

Quote:

It's not really the massive issue it's being made out to be
Agreed ,not realy an issue for me or many others however it would be nice to go back to straight forward pricing and labelling so i can just buy what i want without having to analyze everything

blackthorn 06-12-2011 20:05

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Its not just the all the so called offers you need to keep your eye on, its also the prices as they go through the checkout as well. Luckily I have a good memory for what I pick up (and I`m 59 as well :) ) and note everything that goes through the till.
A tip for everyone who shops in Asda, if you spot an item that you know is priced at say 59p on the shelf and it scans at say 65p, do not point it out to the till operator. Go to customer services when you leave the till. Its asda policy to give you a £2 gift card for price mistakes. I`m a dab hand at this, I`ve got about 30 gift cards in my draw for this reason. If you tell the till operator, they will get it rectified at the till and no gift card.

Tinky 06-12-2011 20:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthorn (Post 35341623)
Its not just the all the so called offers you need to keep your eye on, its also the prices as they go through the checkout as well. Luckily I have a good memory for what I pick up (and I`m 59 as well :) ) and note everything that goes through the till.
A tip for everyone who shops in Asda, if you spot an item that you know is priced at say 59p on the shelf and it scans at say 65p, do not point it out to the till operator. Go to customer services when you leave the till. Its asda policy to give you a £2 gift card for price mistakes. I`m a dab hand at this, I`ve got about 30 gift cards in my draw for this reason. If you tell the till operator, they will get it rectified at the till and no gift card.

Tesco used to do similar, if you were overcharged they would refund the money and you would get the item for free as I recall.

danielf 06-12-2011 21:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35341333)
It's a game.

I shop at our local Tescos and noticed the pricing anomalies ages ago.

Especially the classic 2 for the price of 2 and the bigger pack, bigger price.

It now makes shopping a bit more entertaining.

The bigger pack bigger price was the only one I found acceptable, at least in cases where the bigger pack was more expensive due to smaller ones being on offer, and the producer providing the labelling. The rest is unacceptable in my book.

I was shocked by the fruit/veg examples from Sainsbury's. Packed bananas are priced per unit, loose bananas per weight. Five loose bananas were 42p, five packed bananas 89p or something of that order, and the only way to find out was to weigh them.

It's not a game, it's a bloody outrage, and it's time something is done against it.

denphone 06-12-2011 21:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35341668)
The bigger pack bigger price was the only one I found acceptable, at least in cases where the bigger pack was more expensive due to smaller ones being on offer, and the producer providing the labelling. The rest is unacceptable in my book.

I was shocked by the fruit/veg examples from Sainsbury's. Packed bananas are priced per unit, loose bananas per weight. Five loose bananas were 42p, five packed bananas 89p or something of that order, and the only way to find out was to weigh them.

It's not a game, it's a bloody outrage, and it's time something is done against it.

l will second that.

martyh 06-12-2011 21:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35341668)
The bigger pack bigger price was the only one I found acceptable, at least in cases where the bigger pack was more expensive due to smaller ones being on offer, and the producer providing the labelling. The rest is unacceptable in my book.

I was shocked by the fruit/veg examples from Sainsbury's. Packed bananas are priced per unit, loose bananas per weight. Five loose bananas were 42p, five packed bananas 89p or something of that order, and the only way to find out was to weigh them.

It's not a game, it's a bloody outrage, and it's time something is done against it.

You could always just buy the loose bananas save some money and the enviroment :) ,don't forget pre packed fruit and veg has a overhead attached to it ...someone has to be paid to package it ,so it's understandable that it will cost more .I do agree that the pricing should be clearer it would be preferable for the packed bananas to still be priced by weight which is possible because i did notice on sunday that all the punnets of mushrooms in our morrisons where 89p and all weighed 250g so it is possible to sell pre packed by weight the same as loose produce is sold by weight...as long as the consumer accepts that packaging costs money so it won't be the same price

TheDaddy 06-12-2011 22:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35341450)
I hope when I reach pensionable age people don't start treating me like some imbecile, or automatically like someone that has dementia.

When you hit 67 does your IQ suddenly hit the floor?

No but in a lot of cases people's eyesight starts to go around then, last thing people need with the pensions most have in store is to have a supermarket helping themselves to a couple of quid extra per shop.

danielf 06-12-2011 22:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35341674)
You could always just buy the loose bananas save some money and the enviroment :) ,don't forget pre packed fruit and veg has a overhead attached to it ...someone has to be paid to package it ,so it's understandable that it will cost more .I do agree that the pricing should be clearer it would be preferable for the packed bananas to still be priced by weight which is possible because i did notice on sunday that all the punnets of mushrooms in our morrisons where 89p and all weighed 250g so it is possible to sell pre packed by weight the same as loose produce is sold by weight...as long as the consumer accepts that packaging costs money so it won't be the same price

Sure, I understand that packaging will cost (just not that much), but the point is that it should be clearer. Supermarkets will use every dirty trick in the book to confuse people. You shouldn't have to go to the supermarket with a clear idea of what the regular price of an item is in order to be able to determine if an item is actually in order, or if they've simply bumped the price up for a month in order to make something look like an order. It's downright devious, and they're all at it. Thieving gits...

Tim Deegan 07-12-2011 10:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35341368)

And what excuse would Tesco's give to gran when gran says I feel like you conned me out of my pension pittance.

probably a tough, it's not our fault that you trusted us and you're too stupid.

That's probably exactly what they think, but I'm sure they don't put it quite that way to her.

The trouble is that although many of the large companies are often breaking the law in the way they mislead people, it is very unlikely that they will be prosecuted because they are so big, and probably have a lot of political influence.

The supermarkets can probably make an excuse of making a mistake (feeble I know), because most of their misleading offers are short term. However the furiture stores deliberately set out to mislead customers on a long term basis. I actually have a mattress advice web site that exposes the hype and gimmicks used in the bed industry. So as you can imagine, this is an issue very close to my heart.

Maggy 07-12-2011 12:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35341693)
Sure, I understand that packaging will cost (just not that much), but the point is that it should be clearer. Supermarkets will use every dirty trick in the book to confuse people. You shouldn't have to go to the supermarket with a clear idea of what the regular price of an item is in order to be able to determine if an item is actually in order, or if they've simply bumped the price up for a month in order to make something look like an order. It's downright devious, and they're all at it. Thieving gits...

I shouldn't have to take a magnifying glass to read the damned labels..It's not as if a cereal box has limited space.Tins maybe but even then there are ways to provide the info via promotional leaflets so I can read it.

Saaf_laandon_mo 07-12-2011 13:13

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It's not my eyesight I need to worry about, it's my wife. She never bothers checking the cost per unit of the offers, or looking for the equivalent products in larger sizes. I on the other hand always look at cost/unit and check around.

Food shopping is always cheaper when I do it, and less wasteful as a result.

Tim Deegan 07-12-2011 13:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 35341943)
It's not my eyesight I need to worry about, it's my wife. She never bothers checking the cost per unit of the offers, or looking for the equivalent products in larger sizes. I on the other hand always look at cost/unit and check around.

Food shopping is always cheaper when I do it, and less wasteful as a result.

Unfortunately this is what the stores rely on. They don't want people to check, and most people don't.

Digital Fanatic 07-12-2011 16:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35341949)
Unfortunately this is what the stores rely on. They don't want people to check, and most people don't.

Totally agree.

Tim Deegan 07-12-2011 18:00

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THis thread has prompted me to add a new page to my mattress advice website.

I was really too busy to do it, but once I got my teeth into it (thanks to this thread):mad:

Chris 07-12-2011 18:01

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Why, are supermarkets selling mattresses as well now? :confused:

Pauls9 07-12-2011 18:09

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Does Tim sell beds by any chance?

martyh 07-12-2011 18:40

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I thought he was a fireman :shrug:

Gary L 07-12-2011 19:07

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All I know is his wife is cute :)

Anyway. that mince that used to be 1000g and they dropped it to 900g for the same price. well they've dropped it to 800g now. still the same price.

Hugh 07-12-2011 19:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35342107)
Why, are supermarkets selling mattresses as well now? :confused:

Tesco Asda and Sainsbury's do.....

I wonder if they BOGOF

Gary L 07-12-2011 19:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35342173)
I wonder if they BOGOF

Getting bored with the sofa?

Hugh 07-12-2011 19:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35342176)
Getting bored with the sofa?

We have four bedrooms, Gary - if my wife kicks me out of bed, I just go to the guest bedroom (or if that is occupied, the sofa-bed in the dining room)....;)

Gary L 07-12-2011 19:37

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35342183)
(or if that is occupied, the sofa-bed in the dining room)....;)

Same here, but it all depends who's occupying it before I head for the last option :)

Pierre 07-12-2011 20:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35342150)
I thought he was a fireman :shrug:

All fireman have several jobs

Hugh 07-12-2011 20:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35342230)
All fireman have several jobs

Bit of a sweeping statement there,Pierre.

I know a few firefighters, and some have part-time occupations, some don't....;)

Maggy 07-12-2011 20:59

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Could we stick to the topic please?

Tim Deegan 08-12-2011 10:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35342107)
Why, are supermarkets selling mattresses as well now? :confused:

If you read some of my earlier posts in this thread you will see that all the big chain stores are guilty of misleading customers. And obviously the bed retail trade is my area of experience.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35342173)
Tesco Asda and Sainsbury's do.....

I wonder if they BOGOF

Yes they do. But the brands they sell are terrible quality.

Nugget 08-12-2011 13:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35340948)
What? Have you ever dealt with a supermarket as a supplier? I know people who have, and let me tell you how it happens. You don't set them a price. They come to you and tell you that they will pay such and such a price. If you make a loss, that's your problem. You nominally have the option to agree to sell to them at that price, or disagree and not sell to them. I say "Nominally" because you can do it, but they trade on the fact that very few companies (whether small, medium, large or huge) can afford to ignore the extra sales that the likes of Tesco and Sainsburys will bring them. So, no, they don't have to do it (or if they do, they are massively incompetent). If you think any of the supermarkets trade as honestly as they make out, you are, frankly, naive.

One of the large retailers is currently selling a salmon side that was retailing for 20 quid when it launched, but is now selling at £10 (or half price, folks!). Does anyone really think that they're now losing 10 quid a pop for every sale?

All of the pricing strategies involve telling the supplier what price will be paid - as Stu says, they can disagree with the price, but they either work to it or don't supply...

Can anybody else work out why Tesco take in £1 out of every 8 spent in the UK?

Maggy 08-12-2011 13:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 35342528)
One of the large retailers is currently selling a salmon side that was retailing for 20 quid when it launched, but is now selling at £10 (or half price, folks!). Does anyone really think that they're now losing 10 quid a pop for every sale?

All of the pricing strategies involve telling the supplier what price will be paid - as Stu says, they can disagree with the price, but they either work to it or don't supply...

Can anybody else work out why Tesco take in £1 out of every 8 spent in the UK?

No But I'm sure you could tell us..:)

berkut 08-12-2011 14:13

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For what it is worth Tesco are up to their old tricks again. I have 2 cats so buy a lot of cat food and always looking for bargains. The cats are fussy so I buy a range of different brands dependant on price and swap between them.

Noticed this week that Felix is on offer at £3.00 with 49p off it used to be £3 per box of 12 sachets normally. The cheaper Claude stuff we buy as well is now priced 40p per box of 12 sachets more expensive than 2 weeks ago.

Tim Deegan 02-01-2012 15:18

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I think that as this is the busiest time of year for the retail trade. Which also means that many people will be ripped off by false sales etc, that it might be a good time to bump this thread.

Hope that is ok mods?

Chrysalis 05-01-2012 14:22

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this practice has gone on for a whiile, the media are so slow to catch on.

the washing up liquid prime example.

week1 £1
week2 £1.20
week3 £1.50
week4 advertised sale £1.40

even the multi buy offers are getting very stingy. I am seeing things like £1 each or 2 for £1.90 a silly 5% discount. Not to mention still seeing things like normal price £1.80 sale price £2 on tescos website or £1 each or 2 for £2.50.

denphone 05-01-2012 15:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35355275)
I keep seeing "cheats" on BOGOF an example being Jumbo Frozen prawns that were £2.50 for weeks suddenly being £5 for a week and then the next week: Hey presto! BOGOF at £5. Do they really think we're that stupid.

There are also so many labels on the shelves proclaiming some deal or other it's really difficult to spot the real bargains among the fakes.

Yes they do seem to think that some of us are stupid but l think they will find that many of us are price savvy and not fooled by their so called clever BOGOF offers.

tweetiepooh 05-01-2012 18:17

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Noticing recently that cans of beans while more expensive now have less product in than before but only if you read the label as the gross weight is same. It's cheats like this that most people won't spot or even notice but can make a big difference to the supplier. It may only be a small per unit drop but that adds up over millions of units.

Or changing "formula" to cheaper ingredients or higher percentage of cheaper ingredients.

Tim Deegan 05-01-2012 19:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35355211)
this practice has gone on for a whiile, the media are so slow to catch on.

the washing up liquid prime example.

week1 £1
week2 £1.20
week3 £1.50
week4 advertised sale £1.40

even the multi buy offers are getting very stingy. I am seeing things like £1 each or 2 for £1.90 a silly 5% discount. Not to mention still seeing things like normal price £1.80 sale price £2 on tescos website or £1 each or 2 for £2.50.

I don't think it's really a case of the media catching on. You have to remember that most media companies make money from advertising in one way or another. So apart from Watchdog, they like to keep quiet about it.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35355275)
I keep seeing "cheats" on BOGOF an example being Jumbo Frozen prawns that were £2.50 for weeks suddenly being £5 for a week and then the next week: Hey presto! BOGOF at £5. Do they really think we're that stupid.
There are also so many labels on the shelves proclaiming some deal or other it's really difficult to spot the real bargains among the fakes.

Yes they do. And that's because most people aren't as observant as you, and don't notice. So they fall for it all the time.

Nugget 07-01-2012 15:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35356631)
Just saw a must have (not) bargain in my Sainsbury's today: Packs of veg at £1 for 500g on the aisle ends yet just along the sides parsnips etc are £1.55 for 1kg. Even allowing for a deal of buy 2 for £1.50 the packaged veg is not the bargain it first appears especially if you only want a smaller quantity.

If you're not on the ball they'll mug you at any oppertunity.

I'd be interested to know if they were the same brand - you tend to find that the 'named' brand usually costs more, whereas the supermarket brand (Sainsburys in this case), are kept lower to try to encourage the buyer to have them

Tim Deegan 07-01-2012 17:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 35356649)
I'd be interested to know if they were the same brand - you tend to find that the 'named' brand usually costs more, whereas the supermarket brand (Sainsburys in this case), are kept lower to try to encourage the buyer to have them

Supermarkets do it all the time. You only have to watch Watchdog to see what I mean.

Most big retailers use dodgy sale tactics to con people into buying from them. Although they call it marketing.

Pierre 07-01-2012 17:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Most big retailers use dodgy sale tactics to con people into buying from them. Although they call it marketing.

It's not just limited to big retailers either

buyer beware.

No one forces anyone to shop anywhere, use your head.

If you get ripped off, chances are it's your own fault for not doing your homework.

Paul 07-01-2012 17:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35341037)
I always check unit/£ per KG price, and have NEVER been conned by this practice.

Exactly.

If people are too lazy to check an offer is actually better than buying them some other way, then thats their own fault, not the supermarket.

Tim Deegan 07-01-2012 18:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35356738)
It's not just limited to big retailers either

buyer beware.

No one forces anyone to shop anywhere, use your head.

If you get ripped off, chances are it's your own fault for not doing your homework.

It's unusual for me to agree with you Pierre, but I have to on this occasion. :clap::clap::clap:

However it is usually the large chain retailers, but many others also copy their tactics.



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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35356747)
Exactly.

If people are too lazy to check an offer is actually better than buying them some other way, then thats their own fault, not the supermarket.

But they also try to confuse people by using different units.

Maggy 07-01-2012 18:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35356749)



But they also try to confuse people by using different units.

They certainly do and they still use the 10 % more or 3% less labelling to fool rather than to elucidate their customers.

Chrysalis 08-01-2012 07:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35356747)
Exactly.

If people are too lazy to check an offer is actually better than buying them some other way, then thats their own fault, not the supermarket.

Well i have never been conned as such although I have had tesco not apply discounts to my bill which I obviously couldnt notice until my shopping was delivered.

But some things if its something you always buy then its either been conned ie. buying it or deliberatly not buy something you want/need for the sake of avoiding been ripped off.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35356738)
It's not just limited to big retailers either

buyer beware.

No one forces anyone to shop anywhere, use your head.

If you get ripped off, chances are it's your own fault for not doing your homework.

Ok where do i shop if.

1 - I can only use home delivery.
2 - all the competitors doing home delivery are doing the same practice.
3 - I need to eat to survive.

Nugget 08-01-2012 08:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35356731)
Supermarkets do it all the time. You only have to watch Watchdog to see what I mean.

Most big retailers use dodgy sale tactics to con people into buying from them. Although they call it marketing.

I shall bow to your superior knowledge on the way supermarkets work... ;)

TheDaddy 08-01-2012 08:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35356747)
Exactly.

If people are too lazy to check an offer is actually better than buying them some other way, then thats their own fault, not the supermarket.

Bit of a kop out, it's like when people try to blame you for being robbed because you left a car window open a little, if some one sets out to con people it's them that's in the wrong no matter stupid the customer imo.

Pierre 08-01-2012 09:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35356988)

Ok where do i shop if.

1 - I can only use home delivery.
2 - all the competitors doing home delivery are doing the same practice.
3 - I need to eat to survive.

what did you do before home delivery was available?

Anyway my point was it's not just the big supermarkets that do this kind of practice and even though they do this kind of thing they're probably still cheaper than you local corner shop.

In regards to which home delivery service you choose, I don't know, choose one you're happy with.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35356993)
Bit of a kop out, it's like when people try to blame you for being robbed because you left a car window open a little, if some one sets out to con people it's them that's in the wrong no matter stupid the customer imo.

Not a bad analogy, only difference is the supermarkets aren't robbing you. You're handing over your money freely, and you are under no obligation to use any of them

Tim Deegan 08-01-2012 10:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35356988)
Well i have never been conned as such although I have had tesco not apply discounts to my bill which I obviously couldnt notice until my shopping was delivered.

But some things if its something you always buy then its either been conned ie. buying it or deliberatly not buy something you want/need for the sake of avoiding been ripped off.

The trouble is that most people don't even realise that they have been ripped off.

I only shop on line from supermarkets occasionally, but I presume it is even more difficult to spot which offers are genuine when shopping on line?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35356988)
Ok where do i shop if.

1 - I can only use home delivery.
2 - all the competitors doing home delivery are doing the same practice.
3 - I need to eat to survive.

That's the problem, especially if as for some people in rural areas, they may only be able to use one on line supermarket.

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Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 35356991)
I shall bow to your superior knowledge on the way supermarkets work... ;)

Not just supermarkets, but most of the big retailers (and some not so big).

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35356993)
Bit of a kop out, it's like when people try to blame you for being robbed because you left a car window open a little, if some one sets out to con people it's them that's in the wrong no matter stupid the customer imo.

Well said :clap::clap::clap:

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35357006)
Not a bad analogy, only difference is the supermarkets aren't robbing you. You're handing over your money freely, and you are under no obligation to use any of them

Maybe not robbing, but they are conning people. This is still dishonest, and they still can't blame the customer.

Like many sales tactics used these days, they are just hoping that people won't check the details.

Gary L 08-01-2012 10:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35356747)
Exactly.

If people are too lazy to check an offer is actually better than buying them some other way, then thats their own fault, not the supermarket.

You're not thinking of the old and stupid people.

Maggy 08-01-2012 12:28

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Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 35356991)
I shall bow to your superior knowledge on the way supermarkets work... ;)

Well I know you of all of us have more knowledge about supermarkets in your little finger than Mr Deegan does in the whole of his body..:D

Chrysalis 08-01-2012 12:33

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before I shopped online I had family helping me and before that I did it myself normally.

Shopping online isnt a major issue but I have to be very on the ball as they play all sorts of games to mislead on prices.

Funny as well is often tescos own brand cost more than branded stuff.

Tim Deegan 08-01-2012 12:40

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35357079)
Both lots of veg were JS's own (suppliers), the only difference was the cheaper ones were loose in the bins, the more expensive ones were pre-packed in plastic with a splash price sticker on them and prominently at the ends of the aisles.

If people can't be bothered or are to thick to check then they will get ripped off.

Or don't have time, or are stressed by their kids running around, or are confused due to age or mental illenss........this is what the retailers rely on.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35357087)
Well I know you of all of us have more knowledge about supermarkets in your little finger than Mr Deegan does in the whole of his body..:D

You don't know anything about me :mad:

Maggy 08-01-2012 12:43

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35357096)
Or don't have time, or are stressed by their kids running around, or are confused due to age or mental illenss........this is what the retailers rely on.

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You don't know anything about me :mad:

And you don't know everything about the other members of this site..;)

Hugh 08-01-2012 12:43

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35357096)

You don't know anything about me :mad:

And you don't know anything about Nug, or his extensive experience in supplying to the retail food industry....

Whose knowledge would you trust - someone who does it for a living, or an interested amateur?

Nugget 08-01-2012 12:54

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35357096)
You don't know anything about me :mad:

Easy tiger - the guys on here know me much better than you do. No need to pop that throbbing vein on your forehead (although I understand that Sainsburys currently have a BOGOF on plasters ;) )

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35357102)
And you don't know anything about Nug, or his extensive experience in supplying to the retail food industry....

Whse knowledge would you trust - someone who does it for a living, or an interested amateur?

In fairness, I'm not 100% sure that I'd trust me :D

Hom3r 08-01-2012 19:02

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35356747)
Exactly.

If people are too lazy to check an offer is actually better than buying them some other way, then thats their own fault, not the supermarket.

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35356749)
It's unusual for me to agree with you Pierre, but I have to on this occasion. :clap::clap::clap:

However it is usually the large chain retailers, but many others also copy their tactics.

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But they also try to confuse people by using different units.

I know what to mean I have seen (for example) £1.20p per 10 gram, and the same product but a different size say £13.10p per Kilogram.

But again just move the "." to get the conversion.

Hugh 08-01-2012 19:03

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You might want to check that....

At £1.20 per gram, that works out at £1,200 per kilo.....

Nidge41 08-01-2012 19:54

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Always buy loose bananas instead of the pre bagged ones for £1.50, loose ones can be a little as £1 for more weight than the bagged ones.

devilincarnate 08-01-2012 20:20

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35357087)
Well I know you of all of us have more knowledge about supermarkets in your little finger than Mr Deegan does in the whole of his body..:D

I know a lot about the wholesale side of fruit and veg (after 6 years working in it)

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35357096)
Or don't have time, or are stressed by their kids running around, mental illenss........this is what the retailers rely on.

Thank you for been for the vote of confidence :mad:

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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35357426)
Always buy loose bananas instead of the pre bagged ones for £1.50, loose ones can be a little as £1 for more weight than the bagged ones.

I would really check:erm:

Nidge41 08-01-2012 20:27

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35357430)
I know a lot about the wholesale side of fruit and veg (after 6 years working in it)



Thank you for been for the vote of confidence :mad:

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I would really check:erm:



Try it out with the bananas, in our local ASDA a bag of bananas range from £1.20 to £1.50, loose bananas which are better in quality for the same weight and sometimes more are cheaper.

devilincarnate 08-01-2012 20:30

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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35357439)
Try it out with the bananas, in our local ASDA a bag of bananas range from £1.20 to £1.50, loose bananas which are better in quality for the same weight and sometimes more are cheaper.

I do it with all the fruit and veg :D

Tim Deegan 08-01-2012 20:36

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35357102)
And you don't know anything about Nug, or his extensive experience in supplying to the retail food industry....

Whose knowledge would you trust - someone who does it for a living, or an interested amateur?

And you don't know anything about me either.

Supplying supermarkets as a wholesaler is one thing. Being in the retail trade is a completely different thing.

devilincarnate 08-01-2012 20:40

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35357446)
And you don't know anything about me either.

Supplying supermarkets as a wholesaler is one thing. Being in the retail trade is a completely different thing.

I have done both and they are not different :)


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