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Kymmy 27-11-2011 18:18
Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Lets start discussion for next years 2012 season.

There's a few changes with Team lotus becoming Caterham and the Marussia Virgin team dropping the virgin name and no blown diffusers either next year.

I wonder if Rubens will retire and whether Torro Rosso will have a complete new lineup?

denphone 27-11-2011 18:23
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Obviously several questions in my mind and the first is how much difference will not having no blown diffusers make next year and the other question is can McLaren close the gap next year on Red Bull.

Hom3r 27-11-2011 18:25
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Rubens will retire from active racing, as I will from watching.

Caff 27-11-2011 22:34
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35336240)
Rubens will retire from active racing, as I will from watching.
Gonna have to join you in that. Mebbe get live standings, statuses and results from the net.

Peter_ 28-11-2011 06:59
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
It will be a rather pointless exercise next year because unless you are mug enough to subscribe to SKY Sports a service you do not want in or to subscribe to SKY F1 or whatever they will call it you will only get to see one race per month.

Another issue will be if SKY allow Virgin Media access to the channel at the start as it will be dependent on the outcome of any negotiations with regards to showing the channel.

I fully expect the BBC to find that it is not cost effective to carry on with its coverage and for SKY to take all of the races at which time commercial breaks will no doubt appear and probably at vital moments.

If the is a free streaming service maybe that will be the answer to continued viewing as I will not pay to watch it.

Kingofthedead4 28-11-2011 07:54
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35336387)
It will be a rather pointless exercise next year because unless you are mug enough to subscribe to SKY Sports a service you do not want in or to subscribe to SKY F1 or whatever they will call it you will only get to see one race per month.

Another issue will be if SKY allow Virgin Media access to the channel at the start as it will be dependent on the outcome of any negotiations with regards to showing the channel.

I fully expect the BBC to find that it is not cost effective to carry on with its coverage and for SKY to take all of the races at which time commercial breaks will no doubt appear and probably at vital moments.

If the is a free streaming service maybe that will be the answer to continued viewing as I will not pay to watch it.
Showing my age now but I seem to remember having discussions with people like this when sky got the football.

Peter_ 28-11-2011 08:16
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingofthedead4 (Post 35336396)
Showing my age now but I seem to remember having discussions with people like this when sky got the football.
The difference is I and many other people do not watch football or golf so it would be a rather expensive and pointless upgrade in order to then pay more to then watch an extra race per month.

I would rather find a channel online streaming F1 for free.

Kingofthedead4 28-11-2011 08:18
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
What I meant was when football went to Sky I had the same discussion, because I did not watch golf and rugby and really any other sport at the time.

Peter_ 28-11-2011 08:42
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingofthedead4 (Post 35336406)
What I meant was when football went to Sky I had the same discussion, because I did not watch golf and rugby and really any other sport at the time.
Exactly so many people will no longer see these races due to the cost involved especially for channels they will never watch.

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Here is a link regards Virgin Media carrying the new F1 channel.

https://my.virginmedia.com/customer-...rticles/SKYF1/

denphone 28-11-2011 09:09
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35336407)
Exactly so many people will no longer see these races due to the cost involved especially for channels they will never watch.

---------- Post added at 08:42 ---------- Previous post was at 08:30 ----------

Here is a link regards Virgin Media carrying the new F1 channel.

https://my.virginmedia.com/customer-...rticles/SKYF1/
Nothing different in that press release to the one Virgin issued with regards to Sky Atlantic as just to say they are in talks but whether we will get it in HD is another matter.

Kingofthedead4 29-11-2011 08:38
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...enault-GP.html

Kimi Raikkonen set for Formula One return after signing a two-year deal with Lotus Renault GP

Kymmy 29-11-2011 10:38
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Can I remind members that the F1 to Sky issue has it's own thread and that should be used to discuss any F1 on TV in 2012 issues

m8internet 29-11-2011 19:47
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35336233)
Team lotus becoming Caterham
In the last few races Lotus had already dropped their Tune Group branding
Can anyone confirm at which race this occured?

D'Ambrosio leaves in favour of Pic

Tim Deegan 01-12-2011 01:39
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
THe changes that need to be made for next year (although they have tried to do this in the past), is to close the gaps between the different teams.

It seems that this year there was a clear order as to which teams had the best cars:
  1. Redbull by a mile. I don't believe they had the best drivers, but as far as the cars go, other teams couldn't come close.
  2. Mclaren are still way behind Redbull, but only managed to stop an even wider gap by having far superior drivers (even if Lewis does occasionally push his luck)
  3. Ferarri probably aren't that far behind Mclaren, but their drivers are. This showed when Lewis came to Mclaren and showed him how to drive.
  4. Mercedes. It was unlikely that they would be able to maintain their form that they showed in their first year as Brawn GP. But they are still hanging in there. I think they could probably do better if they didn't have a driver who used to be great, but is now more of a has been.
  5. Renault are bringing up the rear of the top teams, but will have to watch out for Force India snapping at their heels.

Hom3r 02-12-2011 20:26
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Ferrari & Red Bull leave FOTA

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/16009873.stm

Well lets hope it leads to Bernies power ending and he quits F1.

Tim Deegan 02-12-2011 21:08
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35339458)
Ferrari & Red Bull leave FOTA

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/16009873.stm

Well lets hope it leads to Bernies power ending and he quits F1.
I can't see it making any difference. They are still in F1, and Bernie is still the owner.

Kymmy 02-12-2011 21:12
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Bernie had nothing to do with FOTA in fact all the teams together had the effect of blocking Bernie on a few issues like the mid-season banning of blown diffusers.. The only reason why the two teams have dropped FOTA is that they're probably peeved off with not keeping blown diffusers

Tim Deegan 02-12-2011 21:13
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35339486)
Bernie had nothing to do with FOTA in fact all the teams together had the effect of blocking Bernie on a few issues like the mid-season banning of blown diffusers.. The only reason why the two teams have dropped FOTA is that they're probably peeved off with not keeping blown diffusers
And so FOTA now have less powers with less members.

Kymmy 02-12-2011 21:16
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Yep.. having all the members involved meant that they could force Bernies hand to some extent.. less teams means less persuasion

denphone 07-12-2011 21:17
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.sportal.com.au/motorsport...changes-151227

Quote:
The World Motor Sport Council has announced a number of rule changes for the 2012 Formula One season including crash tests and lapping.
Quote:
There are also set to be changes in accordance with lapping regulations. All lapped cars will be permitted to rejoin the back of the field during safety car periods rather than meddle with the leading pack when over a lap behind.
Quote:
There will now be a maximum race time of four hours during each grand prix to ensure that lengthy suspensions do not hamper the races.

Jameseh 08-12-2011 18:03
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone
There will now be a maximum race time of four hours during each grand prix to ensure that lengthy suspensions do not hamper the races.
Should read '...does not hamper Sky's commitments to adverts'. Canada was a great race and the massive stoppage added to the entertainment, it certainly didn't "hamper" it.

Hom3r 08-12-2011 19:24
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
I think FOTAs days are numbered.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/16093711.stm

With Ferrari & Red Bull pulling out, Torro Roso will unlikely be allowed into any FOTA meeting, as they are owned my Red Bull & have Ferrari engines.

A few other teams are also concidering pulling out.

Kymmy 09-12-2011 09:01
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
GP2 champion Romain Grosjean will partner returning 2007 world champion Kimi Raikkonen at Renault for the 2012 season when the team becomes Lotus.
Will be interesting to see what Kimi's reactions are like after 3 years driving rally production cars

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/16105103.stm

denphone 14-12-2011 19:50
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/16187987.stm

Quote:
Toro Rosso have named Daniel Ricciardo and Jean-Eric Vergne as their drivers for the 2012 Formula 1 season.
Quote:
Toro Rosso team principal Franz Tost said: "One has to remember that when Toro Rosso was established in 2005, it was done so with the intention of providing a first step into Formula 1 for the youngsters in the Red Bull junior driver programme.
Quote:
"It is therefore part of the team's culture to change its driver line-up from time to time in order to achieve this goal."

Cobbydaler 05-01-2012 20:35
Formula 1 2012 Season
 
Kimi Räikkönen had his first seat fitting at Lotus Renault today.
Quote:
The last time I was at Enstone I quickly jumped into a seat, but this is indeed the first time I have properly sat in an F1 car with a helmet on since the last race of 2009. It felt a bit odd at first because the cockpit seems a bit small, but that’s normal. It’s just like in the past when I have done seat fittings – it feels a bit strange when you first step into the car but you quickly adjust. It will be nice to get back to racing.
Link

Will be interesting to see how he gets on this season...

Pierre 05-01-2012 23:55
Re: Formula 1 2012 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35355547)
Kimi Räikkönen had his first seat fitting at Lotus Renault today.
Link

Will be interesting to see how he gets on this season...
Probably the boring, ignorant, mono-syllabic git he was last time

Kymmy 06-01-2012 08:27
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Threads merged

Cobbydaler 11-01-2012 23:10
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Kubica breaks leg again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/16521193.stm

Unlucky or what?

denphone 12-01-2012 05:40
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35359851)
Kubica breaks leg again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/16521193.stm

Unlucky or what?
Yes its terrible news for him.

denphone 17-01-2012 12:43
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/form...e/16587505.stm

Quote:
Brazilian Bruno Senna has signed to drive for Williams in 2012.

The move means the 28-year-old is joining the team for which his uncle Ayrton Senna was driving when he was killed in 1994.

He was preferred to veteran countryman Rubens Barrichello for the position and will partner Venezuelan Pastor Maldonado.

Senna impressed sporadically after being drafted in by the Renault team in the final races of last season

MalteseFalcon 17-01-2012 13:31
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
I'm pleased that Bruno has joined Williams, but hope Rubens finds a new team for 2012. I've been a fan of his for years, even though he was never a title challenger.

I'm also hoping that the title race is more of a race this season without Vettel running away with it all the time. For me, anyone but Alonso can win the title.

denphone 17-01-2012 13:37
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35363948)
I'm pleased that Bruno has joined Williams, but hope Rubens finds a new team for 2012. I've been a fan of his for years, even though he was never a title challenger.

I'm also hoping that the title race is more of a race this season without Vettel running away with it all the time. For me, anyone but Alonso can win the title.
Yes Alonso is the one person l have never liked and never will like.

MalteseFalcon 17-01-2012 13:40
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
I have no idea why I don't like Alonso. There is just something I can't put my finger on as to why he makes me dislike him.

denphone 17-01-2012 14:02
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35363959)
I have no idea why I don't like Alonso. There is just something I can't put my finger on as to why he makes me dislike him.
To me I have always felt all along, that Fernando Alonso is one of the most spineless, cowardly, egotistical, and insecure drivers in the history of motorsports racing and there are many many times in the last 6 or 7 years where he has shown those qualities in abundance.

Kymmy 17-01-2012 14:55
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Never liked Alonso, my own viewpoint is that he's an arrogant little dummy spitter.

As far as Ruben's I'd had thought he would have retired at the end of last season, he's had a good run but should allow the younger drivers to come up into a spot he's taking up. He'll very easily grab a spot in the media as he's a really likeable chap.

Kymmy 25-01-2012 18:13
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Caterham is the first team to have their CT01 car unveiled this year

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/53.jpg
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/54.jpg
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/55.jpg

denphone 25-01-2012 18:18
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Yeah l saw a clip on SSN earlier and it looks like a nice car and its amazing that we are only 7 and a bit weeks to the start of the 2012 season and hopefully a title challenging one by the McLaren team.

MalteseFalcon 25-01-2012 18:49
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Looks a nice car, I like that shade of green.

Timeline of car unveilings, taken from the BBC Sport article on the Chaterham car.

McLaren - Feb 1
Ferrari - Feb 3
Force India - Feb 3
Lotus - Feb 5
Sauber - Feb 6
Red Bull - Feb 6
Mercedes - Feb 21
Toro Rosso - TBA
Williams - TBA
Marussia - TBA
HRT - TBA

denphone 31-01-2012 11:43
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16810585

Quote:
German Formula 1 driver Adrian Sutil has been convicted of causing grievous bodily harm to a F1 team owner and given an 18-month suspended sentence.

A court in Munich reached the verdict after a two-day trial. The German driver was also ordered to pay a 200,000 euro (£167,224; $264,092) fine.

Renault F1 executive Eric Lux suffered cuts during the incident in a Shanghai nightclub last April.

Sutil, aged 29, has already apologised over the incident.

denphone 01-02-2012 13:35
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16831074

Quote:
McLaren have unveiled the car Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button hope will win one of them the drivers' title.

Hamilton described the MP4-27, unveiled at the team's Surrey base, as "the finest-looking car we've had for some time".

The car features a notably tightly packaged rear end, after the fashion of the Red Bull that has dominated Formula 1 for the last two seasons.

"We're excited. I'm sure every team is a little apprehensive," Button said.

Among other notable features, the car does not have the platypus-style nose that is expected to feature on many designs this year as a result of a change in the rules requiring a lower nose height.

MalteseFalcon 01-02-2012 14:04
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
I watched the unveiling of the car on SSN, and it does look a good car. Let's just hope that come Australia it will be competitive straight away and not like last year where the car got better towards the end of the season.

Looking forward to seeing Force India and Ferrari cars on Friday.

Slightly off topic (but not by much), what happened to the international racing league? A1 racing or something like that. Google and Wikipedia are being pains today for me.

denphone 01-02-2012 14:23
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35373439)
I watched the unveiling of the car on SSN, and it does look a good car. Let's just hope that come Australia it will be competitive straight away and not like last year where the car got better towards the end of the season.

Looking forward to seeing Force India and Ferrari cars on Friday.

Slightly off topic (but not by much), what happened to the international racing league? A1 racing or something like that. Google and Wikipedia are being pains today for me.
Yes l am getting excited about the build up to the 2012 F1 season and it could be very interesting if McClaren up their ante this season.

Cobbydaler 01-02-2012 20:10
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35373422)
Some more pictures here:

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...2/2/12967.html

It does look a nice car...

banjo 01-02-2012 20:49
Re: Formula 1 2012 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35355717)
Probably the boring, ignorant, mono-syllabic git he was last time
Exactly what I thought, I was so glad when he left F1 .

denphone 01-02-2012 20:51
Re: Formula 1 2012 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by banjo (Post 35373734)
Exactly what I thought, I was so glad when he left F1 .
l wish that egoistic sulker Alonso would do the same thing.

MalteseFalcon 01-02-2012 21:33
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Anyone know who will be the second driver for HRT this season? Nothing on Wikipedia or Google about it.

And to make it interesting, would there be any interest in a sweepstake for the winner of the title?

Kymmy 01-02-2012 22:15
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
There's a few teams who currently need to fill a seat.. HRT I think may go with Luizzi as he has the sponsorship network behind him

Caff 02-02-2012 00:21
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
If SKY is going to be involved as much as I think they will be I'll give it a miss for this season.

adzii_nufc 02-02-2012 21:54
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Having the Luxury of having Sky Sports in HD I wouldn't blame anyone who wont fork out on this package simply for F1's sake even if that meant you viewed it via other means.

Not looking forward to this season as much as others probably due to the borefest no surprises season that came last year with the exception of a few phenomenal races (Button)

I think if Redbull win the first three races or so I'll be done for the season.

Kymmy 03-02-2012 09:27
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
This is not the F1 on Sky discussion thread.. Please use the following..

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...ny-chance.html
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...ky-sports.html

This is purely for discussion about the sport itself and not TV rights

Alan Fry 03-02-2012 14:20
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
At last the Lotus name dispute has ended and the Virgin name in F1 has gone!

---------- Post added at 14:18 ---------- Previous post was at 14:17 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35369093)
Why have they still painted it "Lotus" Green?

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I hope McLaren win both championships this year!

denphone 03-02-2012 14:25
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35374765)
At last the Lotus name dispute has ended and the Virgin name in F1 has gone!

---------- Post added at 14:18 ---------- Previous post was at 14:17 ----------



Why have they still painted it "Lotus" Green?

---------- Post added at 14:20 ---------- Previous post was at 14:18 ----------

I hope McLaren win both championships this year!
Yes it would be great for one of the British drivers to win the championship again.

banjo 03-02-2012 16:23
Re: Formula 1 2012 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35373738)
l wish that egoistic sulker Alonso would do the same thing.
Exactly , we think alike :)

Peter_ 03-02-2012 17:54
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35374765)
At last the Lotus name dispute has ended and the Virgin name in F1 has gone!



Why have they still painted it "Lotus" Green?
It is painted in the Standard Caterham colours, you do know that Google is your friend.:rolleyes:

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Jon T 03-02-2012 18:00
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35374861)
It is painted in the Standard Caterham colours, you do know that Google is your friend.:rolleyes:

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Sort of. The Caterham brand is directly descended from lotus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterham_Cars

Kymmy 03-02-2012 18:27
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35374861)
It is painted in the Standard Caterham colours, you do know that Google is your friend.:rolleyes:

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Actually that is Lotus colors.. Most Caterham Sevens are painted that color by people wishing to make it look like an early Lotus Seven..

Cobbydaler 03-02-2012 22:02
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35374861)
It is painted in the Standard Caterham colours, you do know that Google is your friend.:rolleyes:

http://is01.thegumtree.com/image/big/93759161.jpg
'Standard' Caterham colour is bare aluminium, paint comes extra... ;)

MalteseFalcon 03-02-2012 23:09
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Force India have unveiled their new car for the 2012 season. Looks a nice car again, hopefully it will be competitive and get Di Resta up in the points this season more often.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...one-track.html

And Ferrari's new car.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/030220...12-f1-car.html

It might just be me, but I hope the car fails miserably during the season and stops Alonso scoring points.

Cobbydaler 03-02-2012 23:10
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35375087)
Force India have unveiled their new car for the 2012 season. Looks a nice car again, hopefully it will be competitive and get Di Resta up in the points this season more often.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...one-track.html
I still think McLaren's car looks best. They've managed to avoid that step in the nose...

Alan Fry 04-02-2012 00:15
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35374880)
Actually that is Lotus colors.. Most Caterham Sevens are painted that color by people wishing to make it look like an early Lotus Seven..
Lotus and Caterham have a common history and now they are both owned by Malaysians!

MalteseFalcon 04-02-2012 00:20
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Yeah I think McLaren is the car that looks best, but imo Force India is a close second. Ferrari has only one thing in their favour, the shade of red they use is my favourite colour.

Kymmy 04-02-2012 14:35
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Started a new thread for those not wanting to pay Sky1 prices but wish to follow those races on their FTA equipment. Please keep all discussion regarding TV broadcasts to their relevant threads

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/64...l#post35375463

Kymmy 05-02-2012 19:31
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35373763)
Anyone know who will be the second driver for HRT this season?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16870272
Narain Karthikeyan got the final HRT seat

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35375116)
Lotus and Caterham have a common history and now they are both owned by Malaysians!
Caterham, formerly Lotus racing was never owned by the Lotus Grp, instead they were given permission to use the name Lotus racing.. It's what caused the argument between Renualt Lotus (which is part owned by the Lotus Grp after the naming permissions) and the subsequent name change.. Even though they are called Caterham they are nothing to do with Lotus itself and have no history apart from Caterham licensing the Super Seven back from the mid-70s.

Alan Fry 06-02-2012 09:48
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35376357)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16870272
Narain Karthikeyan got the final HRT seat

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Caterham, formerly Lotus racing was never owned by the Lotus Grp, instead they were given permission to use the name Lotus racing.. It's what caused the argument between Renualt Lotus (which is part owned by the Lotus Grp after the naming permissions) and the subsequent name change.. Even though they are called Caterham they are nothing to do with Lotus itself and have no history apart from Caterham licensing the Super Seven back from the mid-70s.
Caterham Cars was once a major dealer of Lotus, Lotus Renault GP has now renamed itself Lotus F1, now that Caterham has merged with Team Loyus and changed it name, they are largely the same, but with different names

denphone 07-02-2012 05:59
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.sportinglife.com/others/n...y.html&BID=678

Quote:
Red Bull design guru Adrian Newey faces the new Formula One season lamenting the FIA's latest rules revisions he fears could put his team on the backfoot.

Newey's cars have enabled the team and driver Sebastian Vettel to become world champions over the past two years, with last season a particularly dominant one.

The 24-year-old German secured a new record for pole positions in a year (15), helping him to win 11 of the 19 grands prix en route to taking the title with four races to spare.

One of the strengths to the car was the exhaust blown diffuser, a device that created additional downforce, but for this season has been banned by motorsport's governing body.

The rule change has tested Newey's design skills to the limit and he is in the dark as to how the car, the RB8 revealed yesterday, will fare when it hits the track today for the first day of pre-season testing in Jerez.

Alan Fry 07-02-2012 10:56
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35377223)
It is about the FIA scraped all the rule about F1 car development, they are holding back progress!

denphone 07-02-2012 11:13
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16914962

Quote:
Day one of pre-season testing in Jerez, SpainLiveEleven of the 12 Formula 1 teams are in Jerez for day one of pre-season testing

denphone 07-02-2012 20:42
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/...medium=twitter

Quote:
McLaren failed to trouble the timesheets on day one of pre-season testing at Jerez but Jenson Button was content with their progress nonetheless.

Button ended the day eighth fastest of 12 runners, having given the team's new MP4-27 - the only car so far launched not to feature a step in its nose - its official debut.

"I could just about see over the front of the car! I think it's the lowest thing I think I've ever been in," the 2009 World Champion said afterwards.

"We did quite a bit of mileage today. It would have been nice to do more but it's the first day of testing so we were making sure everything was working correctly, and it was good to get a couple of reasonably long runs in."


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16933572

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BBC F1 presenter Jake Humphrey is joined by chief analyst Eddie Jordan and co-commentator David Coulthard to look ahead to the 2012 F1 season, which starts in Melbourne on 16 March.

The trio give their thoughts on the use of 'stepped' noses' as featured on several cars this season, designed to lower the nose to meet new regulations while increasing the airflow under the front of the car.

The team also predict Red Bull will face a "ferocious" battle from challengers attempting to surpass the reigning drivers' and constructors' champions.

MalteseFalcon 07-02-2012 22:39
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Some good pictures on the official F1 website from each car launch for the 2012 season. Will post some in this thread now.

Red Bull

http://thumbnails62.imagebam.com/173...a173668643.jpg http://thumbnails60.imagebam.com/173...e173668651.jpg http://thumbnails50.imagebam.com/173...4173668658.jpg http://thumbnails58.imagebam.com/173...d173668669.jpg http://thumbnails54.imagebam.com/173...4173668676.jpg http://thumbnails49.imagebam.com/173...9173668685.jpg http://thumbnails49.imagebam.com/173...8173668691.jpg http://thumbnails58.imagebam.com/173...7173668700.jpg http://thumbnails61.imagebam.com/173...6173668707.jpg http://thumbnails55.imagebam.com/173...8173668714.jpg

MalteseFalcon 07-02-2012 22:40
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Williams

http://thumbnails62.imagebam.com/173...0173669308.jpg http://thumbnails59.imagebam.com/173...c173669318.jpg http://thumbnails24.imagebam.com/173...9173669327.jpg http://thumbnails59.imagebam.com/173...a173669336.jpg http://thumbnails55.imagebam.com/173...0173669344.jpg http://thumbnails57.imagebam.com/173...c173669357.jpg http://thumbnails64.imagebam.com/173...2173669364.jpg http://thumbnails64.imagebam.com/173...9173669371.jpg http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/173...b173669386.jpg http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/173...f173669396.jpg http://thumbnails65.imagebam.com/173...f173669401.jpg http://thumbnails47.imagebam.com/173...1173669407.jpg http://thumbnails39.imagebam.com/173...4173669415.jpg http://thumbnails53.imagebam.com/173...4173669423.jpg

MalteseFalcon 07-02-2012 22:44
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Toro Rosso

http://thumbnails41.imagebam.com/173...d173669861.jpg http://thumbnails63.imagebam.com/173...b173669864.jpg http://thumbnails52.imagebam.com/173...3173669872.jpg http://thumbnails58.imagebam.com/173...b173669876.jpg http://thumbnails49.imagebam.com/173...4173669883.jpg http://thumbnails49.imagebam.com/173...7173669890.jpg http://thumbnails60.imagebam.com/173...c173669892.jpg http://thumbnails42.imagebam.com/173...8173669902.jpg http://thumbnails52.imagebam.com/173...7173669907.jpg http://thumbnails60.imagebam.com/173...0173669911.jpg http://thumbnails59.imagebam.com/173...9173669916.jpg http://thumbnails65.imagebam.com/173...2173669923.jpg http://thumbnails67.imagebam.com/173...4173669930.jpg http://thumbnails62.imagebam.com/173...5173669934.jpg http://thumbnails53.imagebam.com/173...2173669941.jpg

MalteseFalcon 07-02-2012 22:53
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Sauber

http://thumbnails54.imagebam.com/173...3173670482.jpg http://thumbnails50.imagebam.com/173...0173670485.jpg http://thumbnails46.imagebam.com/173...2173670490.jpg http://thumbnails57.imagebam.com/173...e173670494.jpg http://thumbnails62.imagebam.com/173...1173670498.jpg http://thumbnails49.imagebam.com/173...8173670503.jpg http://thumbnails24.imagebam.com/173...3173670506.jpg http://thumbnails63.imagebam.com/173...f173670511.jpg http://thumbnails65.imagebam.com/173...a173670512.jpg http://thumbnails44.imagebam.com/173...f173670522.jpg http://thumbnails39.imagebam.com/173...b173670525.jpg http://thumbnails55.imagebam.com/173...1173670528.jpg http://thumbnails24.imagebam.com/173...6173670534.jpg http://thumbnails66.imagebam.com/173...e173670541.jpg http://thumbnails59.imagebam.com/173...e173670543.jpg http://thumbnails38.imagebam.com/173...b173670548.jpg http://thumbnails24.imagebam.com/173...e173670555.jpg http://thumbnails59.imagebam.com/173...9173670560.jpg http://thumbnails30.imagebam.com/173...c173670564.jpg http://thumbnails59.imagebam.com/173...9173670568.jpg

MalteseFalcon 07-02-2012 23:00
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Lotus

http://thumbnails29.imagebam.com/173...4173671177.jpg http://thumbnails39.imagebam.com/173...3173671182.jpg http://thumbnails63.imagebam.com/173...5173671189.jpg http://thumbnails55.imagebam.com/173...b173671195.jpg http://thumbnails61.imagebam.com/173...6173671206.jpg http://thumbnails55.imagebam.com/173...6173671214.jpg http://thumbnails62.imagebam.com/173...d173671221.jpg http://thumbnails65.imagebam.com/173...2173671227.jpg http://thumbnails64.imagebam.com/173...5173671231.jpg http://thumbnails46.imagebam.com/173...4173671296.jpg http://thumbnails59.imagebam.com/173...8173671308.jpg http://thumbnails44.imagebam.com/173...4173671323.jpg http://thumbnails61.imagebam.com/173...d173671330.jpg http://thumbnails56.imagebam.com/173...9173671334.jpg http://thumbnails38.imagebam.com/173...6173671339.jpg http://thumbnails25.imagebam.com/173...c173671347.jpg http://thumbnails50.imagebam.com/173...d173671351.jpg http://thumbnails56.imagebam.com/173...5173671355.jpg http://thumbnails65.imagebam.com/173...e173671363.jpg

denphone 08-02-2012 05:16
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Some excellent pictures there Mark and l cannot wait for the F1 season to start now.

Tim Deegan 08-02-2012 10:00
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35377826)
That's interesting what Jensen said, especially as poor visibility was thought to be to blame for one of Lewis's collisions with Massa.

denphone 08-02-2012 18:40
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16953296

Quote:
Mark Webber and his Red Bull team were in impressive form on the second day of Formula 1 pre-season testing in Jerez.

The Australian was the pacesetter throughout the day, producing a series of consistently fast laps out of the reach of the other 2012 cars.

Michael Schumacher set the fastest time of the day in last year's Mercedes.

Day one pacesetter Kimi Raikkonen was only fifth fastest for Lotus, while McLaren and Ferrari had another low-key day.

denphone 09-02-2012 19:35
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16972087

Quote:
Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel and McLaren's Lewis Hamilton set closely matched times on the third day of the first pre-season test at Jerez.

Lotus driver Romain Grosjean set the pace for a 2012 car, with Vettel second just 0.167 seconds ahead of Hamilton.

The fastest time of the day was posted by Nico Rosberg's 2011 Mercedes.

Fernando Alonso had his first taste of the new Ferrari but spent the day on aerodynamic measurement work.

The Spaniard's fastest time was 1.145secs adrift of Vettel's.

denphone 11-02-2012 09:06
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16988309

Quote:
Ferrari's Fernando Alonso set the fastest time on the final day of the first Formula 1 pre-season test.

A day after his team admitted they were "not happy" with their car, the two-time champion did two laps faster than anyone else managed on Friday.

Toro Rosso's novice Jean-Eric Vergne was second, just ahead of Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel, who lost the entire morning to an electrical fault.

McLaren's Lewis Hamilton was fourth fastest, 0.034secs behind Vettel.

MalteseFalcon 12-02-2012 15:07
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Several MPs and Peers want the Bahrain GP cancelled, because of the unrest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16962812

Quote from their letter to the Times newspaper.

Quote:
Given the current dire situation, with daily street protests and the deaths of more civilians, we do not believe that the time is right for Formula 1 to return to Bahrain
Also, Adrian Sutil is going to appeal against his conviction for GBH. The prosecutor is also going to appeal, saying the sentence was not strong enough. Sutil of course is without a drive this coming season as Force India replaced him. They said it had nothing to do with the court case, but I bet it did.

Alan Fry 13-02-2012 10:05
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35380555)
Several MPs and Peers want the Bahrain GP cancelled, because of the unrest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16962812

Quote from their letter to the Times newspaper.



Also, Adrian Sutil is going to appeal against his conviction for GBH. The prosecutor is also going to appeal, saying the sentence was not strong enough. Sutil of course is without a drive this coming season as Force India replaced him. They said it had nothing to do with the court case, but I bet it did.
Maybe they can move the Bahrain GP to Dubai?

denphone 13-02-2012 10:06
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35381042)
Maybe they can move the Bahrain GP to Dubai?
Any reason why.:rolleyes:

denphone 17-02-2012 11:21
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17042953

Quote:
Russian Vitaly Petrov has replaced Italian veteran Jarno Trulli at Caterham for 2012.

Trulli, 37, was under contract to the team but has been dropped after a tough 2011 season and the arrival of Petrov with a substantial sponsorship package.

Alan Fry 21-02-2012 10:15
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35381043)
Any reason why.:rolleyes:
Because they have a race track and good infrastructure, they should have been the first place in the UAE to get a F1 Race, not Abu Dhabi!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Autodrome

Kymmy 21-02-2012 10:53
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
I'd rather Kyalami gets back on the calendar

denphone 21-02-2012 12:17
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17112996

Quote:
Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel and McLaren's Lewis Hamilton were closely matched early on the first day of the second 2012 pre-season test.

After the first two hours' running at the Circuit de Catalunya near Barcelona, the world champion was 0.208 seconds quicker than Hamilton.

Force India's Nico Hulkenberg later beat Vettel's time by half a second.

Michael Schumacher made a promising start in the new Mercedes to be fourth fastest after his first run at speed

Alan Fry 21-02-2012 12:30
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35385520)
I'd rather Kyalami gets back on the calendar
It just might happen!

http://www.autosport.com/subs/login....=news&id=85334

Kymmy 21-02-2012 14:32
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Yep I know..

Brings back memories.. sitting in a Formula Ford on pole position at Kylami surrounded by TV cameras :D (Last time I was there I was grabbed as an extra for a TV show and ended up sat in a car in race overalls/helmet as I was the only one small enough to fit :D )

jamiefrost 21-02-2012 14:40
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35385683)
Yep I know..

Brings back memories.. sitting in a Formula Ford on pole position at Kylami surrounded by TV cameras :D (Last time I was there I was grabbed as an extra for a TV show and ended up sat in a car in race overalls/helmet as I was the only one small enough to fit :D )
Very nice,:D

And as I've just found out that F! is provided as part of the Sky HD pack which I can get via Ipad and Xbox using skygo and my Mums Sky, starting to look forward to this season.

No sure about Mclaren's nose being different to everyone else's

J

Kymmy 21-02-2012 14:45
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Mercedes nose looks like it's designed to penetrate the tyre barriers!!!!

jamiefrost 21-02-2012 15:27
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Maybe it s cunning plan to get a short cut while claiming it was an accident by going through the barriers. It does seem slope down very quickly.

As long as this season is a bit closer i'll be happy

J

Tim Deegan 21-02-2012 19:49
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35385483)
Because they have a race track and good infrastructure, they should have been the first place in the UAE to get a F1 Race, not Abu Dhabi!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Autodrome
So you support oil rich states getting more and more races, rather than Europe where most F1 fans are, just because of high value sponsorship deals do you??

Kymmy 21-02-2012 20:13
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
I don't think there's ever an issue for fans of F1.. They're a mobile lot that like to follow the races in weird and wonderful places.. I don't think you'll ever find a country apart from those with issues (like bahrain's or syria's issues) where they can't fill the stands on race day..

Cobbydaler 21-02-2012 20:23
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35385909)
I don't think there's ever an issue for fans of F1.. They're a mobile lot that like to follow the races in weird and wonderful places.. I don't think you'll ever find a country apart from those with issues (like bahrain's or syria's issues) where they can't fill the stands on race day..
Unfortunately it's a rich man's sport even for spectators. I don't know what prices are for foreign tracks, but the British GP ones are high enough...

http://www.britishgp.co.uk/

denphone 21-02-2012 20:29
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35385915)
Unfortunately it's a rich man's sport even for spectators. I don't know what prices are for foreign tracks, but the British GP ones are high enough...

http://www.britishgp.co.uk/
Yes it is very expensive so the best option for most people who love F1 is to pay the £20 subscription fee to watch it on pay TV.

Tim Deegan 21-02-2012 20:33
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35385909)
I don't think there's ever an issue for fans of F1.. They're a mobile lot that like to follow the races in weird and wonderful places.. I don't think you'll ever find a country apart from those with issues (like bahrain's or syria's issues) where they can't fill the stands on race day..
The rich ones are mobile, but the majority aren't rich, and come from Europe. And can't afford to travel half way across the world.

Kymmy 21-02-2012 20:57
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Doesn't matter to F1, there's always more demand than tickets so why should they care about giving Europe more races when it's a world championship.. I love following races around the world and would jet off again to Jo'burg if SA got a calendar slot

Tim Deegan 21-02-2012 21:02
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Has it been published yet which races will be live on BBC?

Kymmy 21-02-2012 21:03
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Yep, months ago, hold on will find it

Tim Deegan 21-02-2012 21:04
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35385941)
Doesn't matter to F1, there's always more demand than tickets so why should they care about giving Europe more races when it's a world championship.. I love following races around the world and would jet off again to Jo'burg if SA got a calendar slot
Well that's down to the greed of Bernie. He doesn't care about the fans, he just cares about the money. Which is why it's going to Sky.

Unfortunately most fans don't have the money that you do.

Kymmy 21-02-2012 21:11
Re: Formula 1 2012 Pre-Season
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/7755219.stm

BBC race coverage

---------- Post added at 21:07 ---------- Previous post was at 21:06 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35385949)
Well that's down to the greed of Bernie. He doesn't care about the fans, he just cares about the money. Which is why it's going to Sky.

Unfortunately most fans don't have the money that you do.
A lot of fans do have the money, that's why the races are so expensive.. It's part of what keeps F1 so exclusive in calendar/teams/events

---------- Post added at 21:11 ---------- Previous post was at 21:07 ----------

If though you want to see some great UK racing at a reasonable price then go to a BTCC weekend.. Great touring car racing, Porsche/Renault/Ginetta support races are included in the cost of the ticket.


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