Ban smoking in cars, says British Medical Association
 

I an not, nor have I ever been a smoker. But surely this is going a bit too far.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15744352

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I've changed my mind about this. before I thought mind your own business you stupid nosey do gooders!

I want to see a smoking ban in cars and in homes. if we can't have the homes ban. then mind your own business you stupid nosey do gooders!

actually. I have thought some more. I want a total ban on tobacco products.
I want it to be illegal to produce and sell the disgusting children killing sticks. and I want it to be illegal to buy and smoke them.

and while we're making the country a nicer place to live. I want a total ban on alcohol.

if we can't go that far. then mind your own business you stupid nosey do gooders!

and I want a ban on petrol and diesel engines too.

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l agree but if l was a driver l certainly would not want passengers smoking in my car.

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I agree, but at least if you would have the choice.

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My default reaction is that since a car is not a public place it's up to the occupants. I do wonder how safe it is too drive whilst smoking but that is presumably covered under existing laws.

That said there was quite a bit of discussion generated from the public places ban and that has turned out well.

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Has it though Damien? Many a pub and social club have closed which is directly attributed to the smoking ban.

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Well l am not sure that you can specifically say that certain pubs or social clubs closed just because of the smoking ban as there are many factors at work which contribute to pubs and social clubs closing.

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Directly? How do they measure that?

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My father in law is secretary for the local CIU and he as seen the drop as soon as the smoking ban came in. Many people prefer to stay at home and smoke instead of being forced outside on a cold night, and a lot of clubs have there concert rooms upstairs and a lot of people did not want to trail up and down a number of times in the night.

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That's your choice. My concern is that the BMA want that choice removed. What other choices will they want removed if they are allowed this? Before you say they won't, I have a memory of advancing the same agument when the ban on smoking in the workplace was proposed and being told they wouldn't, yet here we are.

I don't see the BMA actively campaigning to get pollution levels down. Surely it's not good for kids to be breathing in petrol and diesel fumes while stuck in traffic?

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Not safe at all seen the issue had relation smoker dropped it in his lap was jumping up down as it burned him. He was distracted I had to grab the wheel to stop accident. Its simply crazy to smoke while in motion. On safety no brainer to ban smoking while car in motion believe not supposed eat or drink so why not smoking.

The relation since stopped smoking it scary that much.

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No l still think people should have a choice of being allowed to smoke in their own car as long as they are in the car on their own or with other smokers but to subject their own children or somebody elses children to that smoke is not acceptable don't you think.

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Smoking is as dangerous if not more so than using a mobile phone while driving, one major difference is that you would be more likely to panic if you dropped a lit cigarette into your lap.

If you can get fined and points for eating at the wheel then the same should also apply to smoking as you are still holding something in your hand.

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do agree to point but do question how safe it is considering what I witnessed with my own eyes. To be fair yet to see statistic where police said cause acident was smoking. Would person admit it anyway or swalled up in general careless driving charge.

See your point about strangers how much exposure would be got short journey say to shop 2 miles would likely be negligable and you can wind window down. Longer journeys are greater risks say 100 miles.

Would air condition also minimise the risk too.

My worry how much control is if the car in motion great risk fag dropping into a lap. I have seen drivers with hand on the window so basically driving one handed. Therefore not in position to react to danger.

I actually think smoking is same risk using mobile but thats opinion based on my incident experience with relation driving.

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On the point of air conditioning l am not sure that would make much difference as l have just watched the news and they pointed out even with your window pulled down there were still significent after effects from the driver or passenger smoking.

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Why dont the BMA keep their noses out of things that dont concern them - their purpose in life isnt to make laws.

(And no, I dont smoke).

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thanks for that so not much relief.

The other though get air purifier heaven fresh do one which can operate in cars. That would improve air quality so anybody concerned young in back should consider purchasing one.

Though still would be concerned driving safety aspect at least non smokers would have improved air quality.

http://www.heavenfresh.co.uk/Ionic-A...urifier-HF-200

Comes with cigerette adapter in the box ideally placed under the passenger front seat.

Got one in most rooms due to health they really improved my health.

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This is going too far, although im not a smoker myself, how long until they say no smoking in your own home, or in certain streets, or in certain towns

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Smoking is already dealt with on driving safety by the current laws (same as eating/drinking and doing anything esle whilst driving) and can be dealt with via careless driving or not being in proper control of their vehicle offences.

As far as health then we should ban smoking in a private vehicle where there is a passenger who is incapable of giving legal consent (I.E anyone under the age of 16)

As for a blanket ban then that's not right.. If a smoker wants to slowly kill themselves then that's upto them.. but their rights to smoke should never impact on another persons health unless the person can accept that fact

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In fairness, so can Mobile phone use, but that didn't stop the government banning Mobile phone use by drivers.

The problem there is it's difficult to enforce. Even assuming the Police look in a car and see someone smoking with a passenger, they'd have to stop them and unless the passenger looked really young or really old, they'd need to get proof of age from the passenger.

Agreed. While it may sometimes come across that I am vehemently pro smoking when I post in these threads, I am not. I am pro choice. I believe that people should have the right to smoke, and that rather than just banning it, companies should provide areas where people can smoke. Even that's not a particularly pro smoker statement. Without being given somewhere to smoke, smokers tend to congregate around the entrances and exits to buildings. This means that things can get a little unpleasant for those wanting to enter or exit the building..

I also believe that those who wish to smoke (and I don't smoke) should ask before they do so. In their defence, my friends and family always do.

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As has been said it's a private vehicle, and the ban is wanted because of the dangers to the young.
so either police it as it is. stop a car with young passengers and the driver or 'anyone' is smoking. (which is strange in itself because you'd have to be prosecuted as a smoking passenger)
or leave well alone and let the adults take some responsibility. or ban smoking completely because you are letting the children down by letting their mum and dad smoke around them at home.

you make me sick. pretending you care about the poor children when you don't. if you did you would want smoking banned everywhere where a child can be affected.

and you'd want all vehicles banned off the roads because they can kill people. you'd want alcohol banned because that causes misery. don't forget Xbox, and Playstation games. no it's not ok for a child to have to listen to the foul language. and no it's not ok to go around shooting people and running them over with the car you just stole off somebody.

you make me sick.

you don't care about the children at all do you? you're just making some noise so you can feel superior about yourself and keep yourself in a job!

stupid nosey do gooders!!

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I could never smoke in a car without a window open... and that draws the smoke out almost immediately. I didn't smoke at all with our babies/toddlers/scrawny teenagers in our car, ditto do not smoke in our home at anytime, or other homes where anyone under adulthood was present, even if their parents were already smoking.

But that is my decision, it should not be legislated, but the baying hounds of the ANTI brigade have tasted blood with the first part of the smoking ban, and they won't give up now.

The bans are soon to be extended to places of education and medicine AFAIK (and their grounds), then I suppose it'll be parks and beer gardens, followed by anywhere near anyone that isn't smoking such as outside but near doors and windows.

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:tu:

Damned nanny state.

And I'm not a smoker either, not even an ex one.

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I have to agree with you there

I don't smoke ether

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Just need to listen to this from 1.10 to 1.22 and he hit the nail on the head of what will happen. Just disregard the rest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHIT2...eature=related - Denis Leary Smoke

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Here is my solution if ever they ban smoking in cars with children in it. If I need a fag I shall pull over and tell the kids to go stand on the pavement until I'm finished.

If this is about preventing dangerous driving (and they can't even enforce the "no mobile phone" ban) then I can't think of anything more dangerous than driving with a couple of screaming kids in the back. Therefore - ban driving if there are children in the car.

Also, sometimes a passenger will talk to me thus causing a distraction. The solution is to ban passengers. And no dogs allowed in the car in case it jumps up and startles the driver.

I'm sure there are lots of things that contribute to bad driving but instead of banning specific things there should be more enforcement of the existing laws about driving without due care and attention (whatever the cause).

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I would agree or you could just ban driving altogether :erm:

I do smoke and have kids (my parents smoked and it never did me any harm)

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From the link in the OP.

So it's not happening.;)

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Even if they did make smoking illegal in the home, they would not be able to enforce it.

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Nanny state at it's finest.

Yes, I smoke.

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Pretty standard political tactics where the argument is weak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

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Yes it's pretty lame, from the BMA .......I wonder are they going to say anything about the toxic poisons they push that kills people over the years? + they call them medicine or cures to common illness hummm:mad:

Watch this space as they will (BMA) will put out some fudged out white paper on how evil smoking is to all in cars or children with parents.........
Tell you the truth, I grew up with one smoker parent, then other around that where smoking in my face or around me....guess what no problems even on a full medical check (work purposes). Oh yes I did have long/short car trips in car full of smokers smoke hanging about even to the old type smokers social clubs while I was growing up - you get use to it ! I do like the golden virgina tobacco pipe smoke smell, no thing like it even a good cigar & no I'm not a smoker even after all that :dunce:

toonlight

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Excellent evidenceless ad hominem attack on the BMA there....

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...other than you also taking up smoking?

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They're still talking about introducing this.
fined if a policeman spots you smoking in the car where there's a child.

I presume the child is up to the age of 16.
so you got cars with 2 15yr old kids in and the driver is smoking.
policeman pulls the car over. and the driver is 17 so he scratches his head.
and gets him really puzzled when he sees the 2 15yr olds smoking.

just make it law. who cares.
there's no police on the roads as it is. and they can't stop people using their mobiles as it is. it's only the police who can do anything about it. so just make it law and shut up.

and then you got electronic cigs.

It brings up a few good arguments.
you have to remember that you can only be fined if you consent to it. in the way that they'll hope you'll accept the punishment.
so say you get stopped for smoking with a child in the car. and the child is smoking themselves?
suppose you say I refuse to accept the fine. what can he do?
take them up on the offer of it going to court?

what happens in court when you're being 'charged' for smoking in a car where there's a child. and they get told the child was smoking themselves? they can't blame you for their smoking. she's not your child. and how can they fine you when the idiot smokes themselves anyway?

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Wouldn't it be good if someone started a campaign where drivers all over the country with kids in their cars pull over legally at the side of the road and stand around their cars having a fag. LOL

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So you think it's ok to smoke with a 7 year old in car, when the child has no say over the fact that they are potentially having their lungs destroyed?

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Does he or she smoke?

they have no say about the parents smoking in the house around them either.

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Frankly TB any parent who smokes in the car with their children is irresponsible to say the least and should not be subjecting their children to it.

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:clap: :clap: :clap:

I can't imagine why anyone would want to do that, let alone a parent.

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It's ok saying all this. and adding more and more rules and such.
but you have to remember that the only people who can enforce this is the police.

are the children safe because you assume the police will have it covered?
no. because we have no police as it is. and they can't stop the mobile phone thing either.

if they're going to do it. then do it properly.
make smoking around children in the home illegal too.
unless you can do that. then you're not really doing it for the children.
you're letting a lot of children down.

now you're supposed to say "how are they going to police it?"

If they allowed society to turn against each other. then we could beat an offender up if we caught them using a mobile phone. smoking in a car with children. smoking around children in the home. not going to work everyday like everybody else.

there's no point grassing someone up who was smoking around children. by the time the police come out to them it's long since happened.

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Or people could just not be thoughtless and selfish by smoking in the car if children are present, and there would be no problem...

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That's probably already the case. Hugh.

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Not a problem, then, as no one would be charged.

Job done!

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But it keeps the non smoking hippies happy.

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Now there's an idea... :)

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And gives moaning Minnie's something to whinge about - win/win...

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Physically abusing your child is illegal, yet I'm sure plenty of it goes on at home behind closed doors.

But you wouldn't abuse a child in public, or in a car with clear windows, for example. Or you'd be arrested.

Same principle applies.

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They can't stop people using mobile phones while driving so this stands no chance.

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I definitely think smoking around children is bad and causes damage to an innocent. Adults can make an informed choice as to whether they travel in a smokers car the children of a smoker does not have the same chance. So ban smoking round children instead

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On one hand I'm happy with this idea as anyone who smokes near children in an enclosed space is a moron/needs taking round the back & given a kicking. On the other hand, this proposal has 'nanny state' stamped all over it & I'm opposed to that as well.

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It is a nanny state.
as has been said. it's illegal to beat your kids. (even if they're not yours!)

common sense and violence are different things. to make stupidity illegal is when you know it's going too far. and we'll be sorry soon. when we don't wear the right colour clothes they told us to wear on Wednesdays.

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Oh, the irony of that last post.....

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Not an issue for us..No one smokes in our car.

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Have you said anything sensible yet?

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Well said ..
:clap:

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It'll become law, then the law will be extended to "no smoking in any vehicle", "no smoking in any enclosed space" (including your own home). It's already been extended to "no smoking in hospital/educational buildings or grounds", "no smoking in parks", and I've even seen "no smoking outside with X metres or doors, windows or communal areas".

The non-smokers just want no smoking anywhere.

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I think banning things should be banned. :D

Seriously, if smoking is that toxic, and I think we all know it is, it shouldn't just be banned here and there, it should be banned everywhere.

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very few more selfish than a smoker. It is my right to smoke well what about my right not to? I do think smoking in public areas should be banned

I remember one day me and my daughter were sat in town on a bench eating our lunch when this guy come and sat next to use while we were eating and went to spark up. I asked him to wait till we finished our food and he went well stroppy

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It will be extended to everywhere. everywhere where they can make money out of you by fining you for it.

a lot of these 'no smoking' conditions such as in parks and certain distances, are not enforceable. they're just requests. hoping that you will comply.

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First place to start, is shops.
if they won't do that. then don't take them seriously.

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Turning stroppy is normal for addicts who are denied their fix.

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True, what's the point of changing the packaging and hiding them behind shutters? Just ban them altogether.

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They actually don't want to change the packaging now, do they?
I think their mates have told them that they're not so appealing to the junkies in plain packaging. and that they'll lose money.

so it looks like we'll be keeping the packaging.

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Good for you I wish I had the courage to ask someone not to smoke, this has happened to me and I have just wrapped up my lunch and walked away as the smell of smoke makes me feel sick ... so well done you :clap:

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Smokers should not pollute another persons air. Smoking in cars, drinking, mobile phones should be banned while the car is in motion. You should be concentrating on driving and nothing else.

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You forgot eating, talking, reading advertising signs, reading road signs, looking at the dashboard, doing your make up and singing.

it's a bit like where the council say you can't obstruct the pavement because blind people and women with prams can't get through. but the same council has whole streets full up with wheelie bins that the blind man is constantly falling over all the way along to the end.

the council say, you'll have to walk in the road today. mind the cars.

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you forgot that doing these things does not introduce carcinogens into childrens bodies which could give them cancer in later life.....

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If only all drivers were reasonable decent people but far to many are selfish in a hurry and just damn reckless

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This big brother knows better mind of thinking (Orwellian 1984 through crimes) will never work.... as the saying goes... "more you push... more will push back" basically they could have all the laws they want but if the population doesn't care or want it ... it's not going to work from the start...my guess is it's about gathering even more money from fines from the tax paying public that are ill informed that pay them but don't have pay them at all.
The best way to stop all your problems my fellow smokers out there is replace that packet of fags for vaping/E cig... it's much cleaner, cheaper oh yes the smoking ban doesn't cover it at all for banning it in closed or public places even work or driving in a company car/van - you have to give it to the free market to come up with a habit that helps you get of the fag for good ;)

Yet the tobacco companies have been forced to get into E juice market as they see the money gathered from normal fags being all but gone in few years time, yet trying to ban the use of E cig's in some places. Licensing of the market was move by the government on behalf of the tobacco industry to control it spread with limiting the MG of nicotine & then jacking up the price to regain the profits from normal fag sales. It not working you government idiots :)

In a new Canadian study on E juice comparing: Marlboro cigarettes, cheap Chinese E juice & premium E juice injecting the juice from each to heart cells then counting how many survived over a period. Guess which one was best overall? any guesses ....

1st# Premium E juice
2nd# Cheap Chinese E juice
3rd# Marlboro cigarettes
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I sorry to go off track here but I have to say Hugh, all the present & future generation are already screwed from all the contaminated food they eating to heavy metals in breakfast cereals plus harmful food additives eg: just a few.... are you going to be looking out for them ? Don't even think about food from MacDonald's, KFC, Pizza hut or any fast food outlets are better there much worse than you think..it fully loaded with all type of nasties :td:

MSG - Monosodium Glutamate; a flavour enhancer/colour agent - a powerful neurotoxin - ever get that hunger for those potato chips? after eating ..... it's the MSG not the crisps -it's highly additive. In the professional minds quote" a degenerative effect on the brain and nervous system"

Artificial sweeteners - (untested Monsanto products = human illness)
Aspartame > (tried 2 times to get approval for product 1978/79 3rd time passing after taking out the risk part of the study - 1980 first to be used in "diet coke" It's in your proscribed medication/tablets you take too
> Aspartame K; later released without proper a human effect study
> Neotame (new)(untold dangerous effects)
> Sucrose; Glucose-Fructose syrup; all GMO - BT corn products untested on human effects that contains levels of pesticide within the foods; sound safe?

Soya - Lecithin; maltodextrin - GMO soya + pesticide within it

GMO's which causes you guessed it right, again more cancers of the organs too many types to count - see the study with mice that was fed a GMO diet after 12 weeks?

Mercury in injections given at all ages - it the standard preserving agent call Thiomersal - guess what it does .... kills brain cells

The unsafe MMR with not least; Aluminium (Autism) in with Thimerosal Look up the cases through New Zealand for more issues.

The Flu shot - doesn't work 56 % more chance of getting it after the shot plus encase y our wondering it also contains the live h1n1 virus - then making you a carrier for rest to catch it after.... go figure plus not forgetting Thimerosal again !

Hydrogenated/Brominated vegetable oil in food + soft drinks - basically a industrial flame retardant... yummy !

Fluorides - tooth paste; crop pesticide - causes delayed brain development in children, lowers your IQ (was used by the Germans in WW2 in prison camps) Some places it's in your water, one company in UK does it.
Another powerful neurotoxin with dangerous un-reversible side effects.

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im a smoker and yes i do smoke in my car,but not when children in car,and even when adults in car i always say is it ok and always have my window down even if raining.but i must say this law is a waste of time.a while ago i was at the local hospital and went outside for a smoke,as i lit my fag a man sitting about 6 feet away from me started moaning (typical non smoker)he said i shouldant have to sit ere breathing your smoke in,so i told him to f*****f somewere else and the reason for this was he was sat right were 6 taxi,s were stationed all with there engins running,so to me he was just a typical non smoker who thinks all smokers have just dropped out of a dogs a***,even my local asda as no smoking sighns in the trolly bays what a joke when theres hundreds of cars all round them churning out carbon monoxide ,which i belive is is so much more bad for you than fag smoke.oh and before all non smokers get on there high horses and say you cost the nhs a fortune just remember for every pound it cost to treat a smoker they have paid an avarage of £3 on tax for fags,oh and dont forget if everybody stopped smoking were would they get the extra tax money from.so stop moaning and just think of all the poisens you throw out when you start your car out side schools and when you drive past play areas hypocrits

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Excellent logic - if we can't stop everything that could damage our childrens health, we shouldn't stop anything.....

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I agree with you Hugh.
it's no good singling out one. when there's obvious ones just staring you in the face.

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Quote "oh and dont forget if everybody stopped smoking were would they get the extra tax money from.so stop moaning"

They'd probably save money from not having to treat smokers for breathing diseases and cancer!

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They'd save some. but they'd still have to put the taxes up on a lot of other things we buy to make up the big short fall they'll have lost.

the scary thing is that one of the main reasons they want to ban electronic cigarettes is the big loss of income they will get. and the big loss of income that they are already experiencing.
you hear them saying that millions of pounds of cuts here and there make a big difference. with cigarettes. you're talking billions.

they want us to smoke. they need us to smoke.
and they'll throw something in like they have with smoking, to make it sound like they don't want us to smoke.

so whether you like it or not. you need us to smoke.
just think of us as an essential thing like a car. and the hospital treatment as running costs :)

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That why the tobacco lobbyists are on the bandwagon drumming up the anti for banning the E cig as to every guess right, they've had it too good for too long greasing the wheels of power in governments electoral years.

They banned the use of them in some places, as that state get funding from tobacco companies or indirectly for state elections funny how money corrupts over public interest on large level. Given the price on fags these days, if I was a smoker - I'd be on the E cig's not long after any price rise due government tax it's a no brainier plus you can get lot of MG levels (high - low -none) not mention the different flavours you could enjoy think about for a minute, you get that from a fag of different brands my guess you don't. Last point like all things in life eg: nicotine you get different grades as the pro movement to banning of E cig's won't point out is it's the same liquid nicotine you get in (nicotine) smokers chewing gum & patches which I remember right was the same products they put on the market to the need of people quitting the habit from pressure from the government.
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every one blames fags for cancer and never a mention of the hundreds of nuclear tests around the word to see who has the biggest stick to bash their neighbour with . as for smoking in cars educate don't legislate .

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people smoking in cars is horrific for passive smoking and other affects, its ok if the window is open but when my dad lights up he actually shuts his window at the same time, I have an eye condition that flares up very quickly when adjacent to smoke.

Its a bit of a tough one tho as a car assuming the driver is the owner is considered a private space so its not the same thing as banning smoking in pubs.

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Hmmm, so now they have voted to ban smoking in car with 'children' what will the Police do if a 17 year old is in the car alone after passing his test having a smoke?

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Or, where he has children passengers that smoke themselves.

give him a ticket whilst the children in the back are puffing away.

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I'm sick of the hypocrisy of governments they constantly hammer smokers and make a tidy amount from taxing them but won't outright ban it because of the revenue they would lose. Give it a rest already either back your mouth up and ban them totally or give it a rest and go hit someone else i'm sure there are some people that can suggest the next target. Also last time i looked granted couple of years ago but the amount the nhs spends on smoking related illnesses is beaten by the level of funding they get from tobaco taxation unlike alcohol.

To a point i think tobacco has become the easy target for cancer rates and whilst i would never say tobacco is safe because it isn't those rates have increased at a time when carr use has also skyrocketed. More study needs to be done to truly find all the causes of excessive cancer (i say excessive because we all have cancer it's the number of cells excelerating that causes the illness).

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Can you imagine in 18 yrs time the adverts on TV:

"Have you got a respiratory disease?, did your parents smoke in the car from 2014?

Well call Norfolk & Good Solicitors and we will sue your parents, it's your legal right!!"

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Sue the police as well. for not enforcing it.

it'll probably be around that time that people will be suing the government for stress and anxiety attacks.

and suing them for having a member of the family that commited suicide due to what will be considered a hate crime in the future :)

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Has any serious testing been done to check if e cigs are safe? The devices themselves are safe, but what about the myriad of fluids you can buy to put in them? The reason I ask is there is apparently some evidence that some of the fluids on sale are considerably more dangerous than tobacco.

Before you bring out the conspiracy theory that big tobacco companies are pressuring the government to make e cigs illegal, bear in mind that they don't need to. If the market is profitable, they can simply start manufacturing e cigs and the associated fluids.

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I was thinking about this.
are we going to see big bustups at school gates, supermarket car parks, anywhere and everywhere where we see a parent/adult with a ciggie in their mouth with their kids approaching cars. and everyone runs over to the car banging the windows and dragging the adult out.

is someone going to get physically assaulted because we've got another thing come out from government where society turns against each other?

what happens if it's an e-cig?

what if I was to see a woman getting into her car with a ciggie in her mouth and 2 kids. because it's illegal and there's a danger that the child may die. am I within my rights as an upstanding and law abiding citizen to scare the crap out of the woman and child by banging furiously on the windows preventing her from leaving the scene?

will the police be on my side when they turn up?

what if we can't find her car keys that I threw away so as to prevent a crime from being commited?

Infact. shouldn't I be out there now preventing this crime. why am I not thinking about the children today. instead of tomorrow when I get the official nod from the nanny police?

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I think banning smoking in car's is a good thing, where children are but banning smoking in car's full stop I do not think will happen ...

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I don't understand why using a phone while driving is illegal yet lighting up a cigar/cigarette/pipe behind the wheel isn't.

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You're saying you want smoking banned? is that what you're saying?

anyway. who can prove you lit it up whilst driving. you might have lit it at the lights when you were stopped.

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No, I was saying I don't understand why using a phone while driving is illegal yet lighting up a cigar/cigarette/pipe behind the wheel isn't.

It's illegal to use a phone at the lights too.

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I think you should be saying smoking the cigar/cigarette/pipe behind the wheel. instead of just the initial lighting of it up.

Unless it's in a cradle.

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No, I know what I said. Smoking a cigarette and lighting one up are 2 different things. One takes your eyes and concentration off the road for a few moments.

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Ok.
but I think reading road signs and the speedometer, and looking in the mirrors, and the sat nav, and talking, singing, shouting at other drivers. is a danger too.

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Those are essentials for driving. Lighting up a cigarette and the other stuff you mention (if proven) would place the blame on you in the event of an accident, as well as potentially causing a death.

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So. they're still a danger and a distraction.

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They're essential risks (just driving on a road carries a risk), lighting up is not. Passing your driving tests indicates you're safe enough to take such risks.

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Well, wouldn't it be easier if they just included learning the technique of lighting up a cigarette in with all the other things of the test?

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I usually get my Mrs to light one up for me and pass it over, the same if i want a sweety, she unwraps it and passes it over

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I've done that. I always either end up dropping it and screaming, or dropping it and swerving all over the road because I think it might be burning my seat.

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Shame, you came real close to appearing sensible up until that point.

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You are implying that all the risks associated with driving are covered as being essential.

Passing your driving tests indicates you're safe enough to take such risks you said.

so why not include lighting up a cigarette?

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Because lighting up a cigarette is not essential to driving, as you well know. Looking at road signs and using the mirrors are essential to road safety.

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Cameron having a go at people for smoking in cars with children.

At least most of them would have remembered to PUT their children in the cars before driving off...

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Instead of pushing for this ban, how about they ban vicious dogs in homes with children first?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...auled-dog.html

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