Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

But only if you remove them from your package.

Openviews has post a Comment On ''Virgin Media High Definition & TiVo Services'' saying:

See Comment number 9.

http://vmhd.blogspot.com/2011/11/tiv...t-details.html

re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Maybe a better title for this thread then? ;)

Also 'Tape'. Who calls it that anymore :D

re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

I do :(

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It the only title I can think of - it better than the one on my blog.:D

re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Isn't this the same as for the people with Sky?

re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Slightly misleading title.

You mean that if you record something on a premium channel then downgrade your package you won't be able to view that recording. Same thing has been happening on Sky+ for ages I believe.

re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

It is yes

re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

How about 'Recordings of Sky channels to be tied to to subscription'

re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Yes it is , I'm not surprised this has happened really.

re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Its surely been this way for ages?

If you no longer have a sub to that channel why should you still be able to view a recording made on that channel?

Thread title amended to something more appropriate.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

I know Sky viewers cant view channels they dont pay for - I lost all of mine when I left last June.

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Thanks Stephen.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

For some reason nope.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Good idea - this title is now on my blog.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

It's actually all Sky channels, not just the Premium ones ;)

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

As always, where's the official warning from VM?:rolleyes:

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

My mum still 'tapes' stuff onto her Freeview PVR. :D

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

You'll be informed when you call to downgrade your package.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

And if you've already downgraded and have unviewed recordings? You would want to know before downgrading, that you had to make sure that you had viewed everything.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Be happy that you've been getting something for nothing :)

If you resubscribe, the recordings will become available again.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Why shouldn't you be able to? You held a valid subscription at the time the recording was made. If you had 'taped' the recording you'd still have access to it.

Of course you should be able to get the recording off the hard drive to play on whatever device you choose, whenever you choose. That you can't is a serious problem with Tivo, IMHO.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

How is it something for nothing? You've paid for the ability to record the progs/films and view them at a later date.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

You seem to think that because you have paid a subscription to view a program you own it, you don't you have licenced a viewing of it, just like legally if you buy a xbox game you don't own the the game, you have purchased a licence to play it and that is the reason you can't transfer it off the hard drive because you don't own it. (Theretically speaking you don't own it if you physically buy the dvd or the game, you just have a licence to use it, reselling films and games under the current licence usage is actually illegal, its like subletting a rented room). :rant:

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

You paid to time shift the channel while you were subscribed, not after. You need to note this is for BSkyB channels only, so no prizes for guessing who made the request ;)

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

BBC? ;)

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

he he :D

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Legally you are right. But it's not something I agree with at all. It is a huge step backwards from what was the accepted norm when video tape ruled. Big business finding ways to sell us the same thing multiple times.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

The last time I looked it worked in reverse with Sky +,

With Sky + you could record a channel which you don't subscribe(but can't view it until you pay), with Tivo or V+ you can't do this but you can watch when your subs stop.

Has this behaviour with Sky + changed, if it hasn't i'm afraid that Sky are putting one over Virgin again just as the Tivo bandwagon has started to roll?

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

I don't really see what is wrong with this, if your no longer paying for a channel then you are not entitled to view their content, regardless of how you watch it.

If you have a problem with it then re-record your shows onto the DVD/VHS/Laserdisc of your choice.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Would have thought "Playback of Channels tied to Current Subscription" :tiptoe:

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Well as it's only the Sky channels affected that wouldn't be accurate ;)

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky Premium Channels with no subscription
 

Ok then "Playback of Sky Channels tied to Current Subscription"

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

I don`t agree with this at all but the simple answer is to transfer any recordings you wish to keep or view at a later date is to transfer the recording onto a disc or video tape. Having said that some programs,sky movies for example,have encoded enscription which prevents a copy being made. Another thing I disagree with is the fact that sky `switch` off your recording ability on your sky+ box if you cancell your subscription. This for me is rather mean bearing in mind you can get freesat boxes to record channels. I believe virgin do the same although a little different there as virgin take their boxes back.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

This is standard practice for Sky, as my parents found out recently after being given discounted Sky Movies for a month when taking a new HD box. They "taped" a few films they fancied watching, didn't have the time to watch them and thought they'll watch them later. Sky movies sub ended, and the films became inaccessible.

Let's just get this straight - this is the work of an absolute money minded corporation who are not interested in customer satisfaction. VM have the right model - if you've taped it during the period of subscription and stored it on an encrypted device - there's no-one else on the planet would deny you the right to watch it later, at your convenience.

If Sky think people will simply pick up the phone and re-subscribe, they're very much mistaken. This kind of business ethic has the complete opposite effect - people will be discouraged from giving them more of their hard earned money.

"Sky. Believe in better"? Believe in money...

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

If you subscribed to Lovefilm for a few months then cancelled would they let you keep the disc until you had time to watch it. ;)

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

I have to say that you should be able to watch the stuff you recorded when you were a subscriber to those channels. In the old VHS days you would of been able to. Quite right not to be able to record whats on when you're not subscribing. I'm guessing its Sky behind this in their usual gready penny pinching way. I believe in fair play and always thought the Sky+ system to be unfair as if you were a subscriber when you recorded it you should be able to watch it.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

It's only for Sky owned channels and Sky have requested this. All other channels are unaffected.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

I didn't realise that

Will any content be deleted from your Box or is it that you just won't be able to play the content

And if you take the channels again at a later date will those old recordings be activated again......... Just curious, dose anyone know the answer to that please?

Seeing as the disc is their physical property, and their business model relies on them being able to re-lend it to multiple customers one after another ... Probably not.

Analogy fail ... Sorry. ;)

'Broadcast rights' and 'physical ownership' are quite different things. Your analogy doesn't work because it's not comparing like with like.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Yes they become available again

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Thank You, appreciate your reply:)

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Thanks for that factually incorrect statement , I wasn't aware as a Lovefilm subscriber I physically owned the disc ;) 9.99 a month for as many discs as I can have PHYSICAL OWNERSHIP of sounds good ;)

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Crumbs, you're excelling yourself at getting the wrong end of the stick this morning ... and beating yourself round the head with it ...

LOVEFILM physically owns the disk. Therefore it's a complete no-brainer that LOVEFILM will want it back - their business model fails if they don't get it back because they will then not be able to re-lend it.

You asked whether LOVEFILM would be happy for someone to keep hold of a disc post-subscription. The answer is 'no', but not for the reasons you thought.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but your analogy really wasn't that clever and you're just embarrassing yourself by continuing to bang on at it.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

:D:D:D:D:D

Try explaining better then , and not editing and deleting all the time. Reading your post history it would appear youve never been wrong or at least you believe you've never so well done. :o:

Humane elimination of all common Internet pests SAYS IT ALL REALLY

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Good luck trying to ignore a mod.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Realised that :(

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Mm hmm.

The other thing you can't do, apart from putting the team on ignore, is make up stories about editing and deleting posts. I can see exactly what you have previously written and exactly when you deleted it.

I suggest you move along with the topic and stop trying to pick fights.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Why not enlighten us with your views on whether its right or wrong and why ? So far you've just said my analogy was wrong .

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Enlighten? Hardly ...

I think in this case I can sort of see Sky's point. You could conceivably subscribe for a month and then, TiVo being what it is, record absolutely everything of interest, then unsubscribe and spend the next six months watching it.

It's borderline, really. In strict copyright terms I expect the letter of the law is on their side, but on the other hand the broadcasters have never in the last 30 years made any serious attempt to stop people home taping stuff and keeping it so it's an extreme position for Sky to be taking now.

I'm assuming the Tivo is lacking the archive-to-DVD function of other PVRs, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue?

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

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I think Sky are just looking for the rules on this to be the same as their own platform and as Chris says, someone with TiVo could affectively record shed loads in a month or two and have enough movies etc for many months viewings.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

And so what's wrong with recording and watching later? Isn't that the very principal of PVR? What Sky are basically saying is "Record as much as you want, but watch it within a month (min term for subscribing to movies, for example). That's just not right morally or in principal!

The only argument I can see from Sky's point of view, is to simply try and make money and peave people off. There are no copyright, broadcast laws governing this anywhere. If there were, VM, BT, Freeview and FreeSat would all need to adhere to the same laws.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

indeed, it's purely for financial reasons, but they (Sky) are a business :)

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Agreed, but good business ethics are still utlisised by many large money making companies! Just because you want to please your shareholders, doesn't mean you should be upsetting the customers, without whom shareholders wouldn't exist. We all know customers will always exist with or without shareholders.

Re: Unable to view recordings from Sky-owned channels with no subscription
 

Very true.