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denphone 05-11-2011 07:33
UPDATED: M5 Crash, 7 dead, 51 injured, 34 vehicles
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-15603124


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"Several" people were killed and up to 35 injured in a 27-vehicle crash on the M5 near Taunton, Somerset, police say.
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Emergency crews said the cause of the crash was not clear, but there had been reports of heavy rain and fog.
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Paul Slaven, of Devon and Somerset Fire Service, said crews were "damping down" at the scene of the crash, which he said was "the worst road traffic collision anyone can remember".

papa smurf 05-11-2011 08:53
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16103903


this looks bad .

denphone 05-11-2011 08:55
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
Yes l have been watching the news this morning and some of the pictures and clips are terrible.

Taf 05-11-2011 12:26
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=a3jfRLVHZes#!

Awful. It's a nasty bit of road in good weather.

denphone 05-11-2011 12:28
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35325533)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=a3jfRLVHZes#!

Awful. It's a nasty bit of road in good weather.
Yes l have been past there hundreds of times and it has to be taken with care and attention.

thenry 05-11-2011 13:51
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
RIP

Arthurgray50@blu 05-11-2011 14:02
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
My sympathies go with the families of the deceased people.

Reports are saying that this tragic accident was caused by heavy rain and fog, l have been driving for the past twenty years and to me the speed limit on motorways should NOT have been increased, we still have nutters on the road that will think they are jack the lad and speed, With Juggernauts, its a dangerous game when a any vehicles speed and tries to 'jump' the lorry, as they can easily jackknife cause accidents.

I always remember several years ago driving back from Cambridge in thick fog, and l was doing about 35 miles an hour, l still had vehicles whizzing past me.

I also feel that traffic cameras should be on motorways for speeders.

RIP

DES_1001 05-11-2011 14:07
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
RIP

denphone 05-11-2011 14:08
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-15606278


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It is now confirmed that Seven people have died and 51 were injured following a 34-vehicle pile-up on the M5 in Somerset on Friday, police have confirmed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-15606278

Mick Fisher 05-11-2011 14:34
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
Awful news. :(

My thoughts go to those who are injured, those who died and their families.

budwieser 05-11-2011 20:04
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
Very sad new indeed. My condolences to the families of all those involved.:(:(
People never learn until its too late that they have to drive to the road and weather conditions and leave plenty of room from the vehicle in front.! Too many people trying to get somewhere quicker than anyone else.
I had a disabled minibus overtake me and two other cars yesterday on my way home from work in the face of oncoming traffic. He then got stuck behind someone else! What was the point in what he did.! ?:shrug:

denphone 05-11-2011 20:10
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 35325866)
Very sad new indeed. My condolences to the families of all those involved.:(:(
People never learn until its too late that they have to drive to the road and weather conditions and leave plenty of room from the vehicle in front.! Too many people trying to get somewhere quicker than anyone else.
I had a disabled minibus overtake me and two other cars yesterday on my way home from work in the face of oncoming traffic. He then got stuck behind someone else! What was the point in what he did.! ?:shrug:

Yes exactly as we were in a 30mph zone and several drivers surged past us and were at least doing 50 mph and by doing that they are putting motorists who drive safely and to the weather conditions at risk by their madness.

mertle 05-11-2011 20:32
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35325876)
Yes exactly as we were in a 30mph zone and several drivers surged past us and were at least doing 50 mph and by doing that they are putting motorists who drive safely and to the weather conditions at risk by their madness.
just seen this not been well its horrific RIP those who died. Hope those who hurt full recovery.

Just done video catchup some stupid woman going on about speed silly girl how they wont support 80mph. Felt like wanted give hear good hiding for her insensitivty. We dont know why it happened police will do investigation.

Apparantly conditions was fog, wet road fireworks going off. Would hasten to say thats tricky driving conditions. That fire must been horrific there was car had stopped in time yet nowhere near vehicles it was shell.

So saddening hope they got out safely. So even safe drivers got caught up I hated it when you get some stupid copper going about speeds too close basically accusing everyone of stupidity before investigations. At least we not seen this this time. Even if the find this the cause not all would been stupid but might been hit pushed into it. It must be very hurtful to families the way they act at times trying preach the gospel of driving.

So hope people take back seat on trying pre-empt what happened.

budwieser 05-11-2011 21:30
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
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Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35325898)
just seen this not been well its horrific RIP those who died. Hope those who hurt full recovery.

Just done video catchup some stupid woman going on about speed silly girl how they wont support 80mph. Felt like wanted give hear good hiding for her insensitivty. We dont know why it happened police will do investigation.

Apparantly conditions was fog, wet road fireworks going off. Would hasten to say thats tricky driving conditions. That fire must been horrific there was car had stopped in time yet nowhere near vehicles it was shell.

So saddening hope they got out safely. So even safe drivers got caught up I hated it when you get some stupid copper going about speeds too close basically accusing everyone of stupidity before investigations. At least we not seen this this time. Even if the find this the cause not all would been stupid but might been hit pushed into it. It must be very hurtful to families the way they act at times trying preach the gospel of driving.

So hope people take back seat on trying pre-empt what happened.
A stupid copper going on about speeds? too close ?. Speeds and too close are the main factors with accidents!, that and aggressive driving.:erm:

denphone 05-11-2011 21:32
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
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Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 35325951)
Speeds and too close are the main factors with accidents!, that and aggressive driving.:erm:
Exactly.

Derek 05-11-2011 22:57
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
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Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35325898)
I hated it when you get some stupid copper going about speeds too close basically accusing everyone of stupidity before investigations. At least we not seen this this time. Even if the find this the cause not all would been stupid but might been hit pushed into it. It must be very hurtful to families the way they act at times trying preach the gospel of driving.
I know it's shocking the Police should do anything to reduce the number of deaths on the road. :rolleyes:

EVERY fatal I've attended has had excessive speed as either the main or contributing factor. The ACC highlighting this ensures that airtime is given to the message that there is a speed limit.

At some times it is safe to exceed it and at other times drivers should be going way below it.

Mr Angry 06-11-2011 03:14
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35325992)
At some times it is safe to exceed it and at other times drivers should be going way below it.
Therein lies the conundrum.

Derek 06-11-2011 11:28
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35326045)
Therein lies the conundrum.
Better driver training is the answer.

Like so many things people are taught how to pass a test or exam, not how to actually do something properly.

Anyway there has been the tiniest sliver of positive news from this.

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No more bodies have been found at the scene of the crash on the M5 which killed seven people, police have said.

It had been feared the death toll from Friday evening's crash in Somerset could rise and emergency services had been searching for more victims.

But Avon and Somerset Police said on Sunday morning all vehicles had been removed from the site and their "worst fears have not been realised"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-15610140

mertle 06-11-2011 12:52
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35326099)
Better driver training is the answer.

Like so many things people are taught how to pass a test or exam, not how to actually do something properly.

Anyway there has been the tiniest sliver of positive news from this.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-15610140
Agree crazy banning learners on motorway under controlled tuition they will learn how to handle it. Now not proposing green horns there should be staged competance test. Once passed they still learning not allowed on open roads on there own but there allowed under registered driving instructors on motorways.

Another not sure if the competence level should be reviewed test be more stringent. Would argue allowing outside tuition ie non driving instructor should be reviewed. How many hours learning before test taken reviewed too.

They then learn advanced driving techniques including visit to skid pan to learn hazard control.

The system they use to speeders, drugs, mobile and drink driving should be done too by police give them hard facts that what will likely happen.

Why wait why let people self learn motorway driving surely preventation the best solution. However you cant change humans once taught inevitably gets chucked into brain bin. Wonder if drivers become so careless as safety in cars gone to new levels. When they see racing drivers walk away 200mph crashes wonder they think aha only 70mph-90mph I wont die with our now ultra safe cars. Yet we still see racing drivers killed 2 sadly recently but still dont click in the brains.

Should Ford impact collision be compulsary to all cars to me what happens if it fails would we get into new level invisinsability. Maybe speed limiters should be compulsary again it wont stop accidents sadly unless limiter modified by GPS information then tells the car speed limit for conditions. Problem then is those new cars would never be bought second hand market or people would remove them.

It may well been speeding but not jumping to conclusions just yet.

mertle 06-11-2011 17:42
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
UPDATE

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-15612315

major line enquiry FIREWORK & BONFIRE next to M5 police say.:shocked:

This is madness if this ends up the cause of the crash.

martyh 06-11-2011 19:09
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
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Police said witnesses reported "smoke, not fog" creating "impossible" driving conditions.
A display had taken place at Taunton Rugby Club which is situated alongside the motorway.
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"Our main line of inquiry has now moved towards the event that was on the side of the carriageway," he said.
"We do believe that whilst there was fog, and it was difficult conditions in the area, that actually from witness evidence that there was very significant smoke across the carriageway which in effect caused a bank - similar to a fog bank - which was very distracting and very difficult to drive through."
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16104319

Pierre 06-11-2011 20:40
Re: M5 shut as 'several people' die in 27-vehicle crash
 
That's what I heard,

As usual you get people on here without the full facts banging on about speed and bad drivers blah, blah, blah.

Witnesses are reporting entering a thick black cloud and literally zero visibility.

Kymmy 07-11-2011 13:24
Re: UPDATED: M5 Crash, 7 dead, 51 injured, 34 vehicles
 
Updated thread title

Hom3r 07-11-2011 22:42
Re: UPDATED: M5 Crash, 7 dead, 51 injured, 34 vehicles
 
First off condolences to the families of all those involved.

Why is the bonfire & fireworks being blamed?

If conditions were poor visibility, why were they going so fast?

I have been driving for 23+ years and drive to as the conditions allow. I guess some people think they are immune.

I have driven in torrential rain on the motorway (<50mph) only to have a BMW fly past me without any lights.

Peter_ 08-11-2011 06:47
Re: UPDATED: M5 Crash, 7 dead, 51 injured, 34 vehicles
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35327001)
First off condolences to the families of all those involved.

Why is the bonfire & fireworks being blamed?

If conditions were poor visibility, why were they going so fast?

I have been driving for 23+ years and drive to as the conditions allow. I guess some people think they are immune.

I have driven in torrential rain on the motorway (<50mph) only to have a BMW fly past me without any lights.
They say that when vehicles arrived at the accident spot the was a dense bank of smoke with zero visibility so if any vehicle had braked it would be unknown to the ones behind.

We will never truly know but it wet damp conditions such an event could occur causing such a thing to happen but without CCTV the is no way to verify even though the is a family who survived saying this is exactly what they come upon at that point.:(

martyh 20-10-2012 10:30
Re: UPDATED: M5 Crash, 7 dead, 51 injured, 34 vehicles
 
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A man has been charged with seven counts of manslaughter after a fatal pile-up on the M5 during thick fog.
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"Having considered the evidence in line with the Code for Crown Prosecutors, the CPS decided there was sufficient evidence to charge Geoffrey Counsell, the provider of the fireworks display at Taunton Rugby Club on the night of the collision, with manslaughter."
http://news.sky.com/story/1000093/m5...r-seven-deaths


it will interesting to see how this pans out ,charging the fireworks display provider suggests that health and safety had been breached

martyh 15-01-2013 16:06
Re: UPDATED: M5 Crash, 7 dead, 51 injured, 34 vehicles
 
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Manslaughter charges have been dropped against Geoffrey Counsell after seven people died in a pile-up on the M5 during thick fog.
The 50-year-old was operating a firework display in a field close to the motorway, at Taunton Rugby Club, at the time of the crash on the night of November 4, 2011.
Counsell, who is from Somerset, was charged with seven counts of manslaughter on October 19 last year.
But when he appeared at Bristol Crown Court, he was told the manslaughter charges were being dropped and he would instead face a charge under the Health and Safety at Work Act of failing to ensure the safety of others.
http://news.sky.com/story/1038435/m5...harges-dropped


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