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...good ,bad or useless .

Reading my local paper tonight i noticed that the first application for such an order in the NE has been granted by a judge .Are they workable ? or a bit like ASBO's ,a total waste of time .My own feelings are that the dealers will find other ways to sell their wares

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I think we too soft on drug dealers argue they should get 10 years minimum. With good argument these should posibly get life how many died under there hands. Other countries much more harder.

The proceeds put in helping victims detox but feel those who already beyond help government sell them the drugs so they dont have to seek another replacement.

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Having two phones, two credit cards and more than £500 on your person means you're in organised crime? :confused:

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Under the terms of the order all three of them will be banned from:
:: Having more than one mobile phone at any time, which must be registered with the police.
:: Possessing more than £500 cash.
:: Having more than one current account, savings account or credit card.
:: Using taxis to transfer goods or documents unless a third party is present other than the taxi driver.

to be honest that sounds like the life of average joe smuck

most people don't carry large amounts of cash
only own 1 mobile phone
and can't afford Taxi's

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Undecided. It is a decent enough way to work it up the dealers when they get out but there will be plenty of loopholes and I'm sure their lawyers are already planning a new boat shopping spree with the whacking great legal aid cheque they'll get to challenge the order on human rights grounds.

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no ,but it can do ,and preventing dealers ect from having these things should in theory make it hard for them

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Yeah, but not being allowed to take a taxi home from the supermarket? :confused:

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I would ask who the third party has to be ,obviously that part is supposed to make it hard to use taxis as transport to move drugs around or deliver to users which is very common.It's a start but on the face of it has more loop holes than a factory that makes loop holes

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If I was moving large amounts of drugs by taxi, I'd make sure I wasn't on my own. I'd bring a mate for protection, and to help me carry the drugs...

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so does the "pal"who is also a dealer count as a third party making the use of a taxi ok :shrug:similarly does taking your girlfriend with you count as a third party when delivering to a user via a taxi :shrug:
Suppose the ofender decides to turn over a new leaf and gets a job ,that job comes with a company mobile does he/she turn down the job on the grounds that they are allowed only one mobile ,i suppose the answer is to get rid of their personal one ....que the lawyers to have a field day with that one .
At least the government is trying though (actually it was the labour government who introduced these in 2007)and anything that has the potential to reduce or hamper serious crime must be a good thing

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Sadly criminals already two steps ahead will always. Another is pay a stranger or basically force one adicts to help out.

Whats to say he cant give phone to another or register second phone to another.

You certainly would be not shocked he flount it wont get caught as simply found a way to continue without breaching these conditions.

Not sure it shows we tough remotely with serious crime another way pussyfooting. Most have foot soldiers it could be he even makes it look like turned new leaf but gets others to do the work.

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I've got 2 out of 3 on me now...

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I might be missing the point here but if they're willing enough to break whichever law it is which prevents you from dealing drugs, what makes anyone think they'll obey these laws?

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IIRC they (3 people) were sentenced to a total of 25 years in prison. This is just a gentle reminder for the 5 years after that. They'll go straight back to prison if they take a taxi back from Tesco's without a companion.

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Well they won't. It just makes it easier for them to get convicted of breaking the order than of drug dealing. Or makes them go more hands on with the dealing rather than directing others.

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In my obvious ignorance to these types of matters, that's what I was thinking - it'll just make them try harder (or use different methods) to avoid capture/detection.

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There's a very simple way to prevent them and others from drug dealing full stop... regulated,taxed and controlled sales at licensed shops.;)

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so that will be regulated ,taxed and controlled mayhem then :rolleyes:.These orders aren't just for drug dealers but for any serious crime and are not designed to prevent the original crime just make it harder to return to crime on release and as Russ has said earlier anyone prepared to break laws that put that person in the serious criminal bracket will laugh at such measures, but as Derek said these just make it easier to put them back in jail

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Yep,just like all hell broke lose when the US ended alcohol prohibition... oh,hang on :rolleyes:
The reason drug 'crime' is largely possible is due to prohibtion,and resulting from that is a lack of control over sales and distribution.
Cue underground dealers to meet the demand.It's all simple economics,really.But I'm sure this new,powerful crime-fighting tool will have Britain drug free in no time at all.... just like all the others before it.;)

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Sorry Will i'm not going to get drawn into a discussion on the merits of legalising drugs 'cos its :notopic:however if you wish to start a thread on the subject i will be happy to tell you how wrong you are ;):)

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Haha,that's a good one Martyh ;)

Of course it's totally on topic and a major reason behind much crime in this country.However I appreciate your lack of knowledge on the subject and shall give you sufficient time to catch up! :p:

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Hmmm,so where Martyhs telling off for deciding what's off-topic? :td:

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You just quoted it :)

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I think the argument is that this thread is for discussion of Serious Crime Prevention Orders, which can be handed out for but aren't limited to drugs offences. As such, legalisation of drugs is off-topic in this thread.

As stated, anyone wishing to start a thread on legalisation is free to do so?

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Oh,how good of me :D