Multi room streaming
 

With Tivo multi-room streaming about to kick off I have a few questions. Can anyone enlighten me.

1). Will the streaming be wi-fi box to box or some other method.
2). Will the wi-fi, if that's the method, only enable when streaming of a programme is demanded or will the wi-fi be enabled 24/7? I don't want a box throwing out wi-fi signals constantly.
3). Will two or more boxes be able to access the same programme simultaneously.

I thankyou. :)

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Personally i think it will be via the Ethernet port and then over a hardwired network , I have never seen any wireless adapters for the VM tivo.

I don't want the 3 tivo's in my house giving out any wireless signals.

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So by that do you mean the signal will bounce from the house to the box down the street and back again?

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? no

I mean it will be carried on internal cat5 cabling connected between each Tivo. It will have NOTHING to do with the external connection or cabs. I would assume you will need a internal cat5 to cat5 network or cable

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Mmmmm another 50ft cable from amazon then maybe.

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Why don't you wait and see what will happen. I am not involved in any Tivo testing and i am using a bit of what if on this. Don't take my post as anything official on this.

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While I am not in any position to say anything official (being nothing to do with VM and not even having a Tivo), it's worth noting that the multiroom functionality in the US requires that you either use Ethernet, or buy a USB WiFi Adaptor from Tivo..

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So all in all its going to cost us something to have multiroom functionality.

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I would think so. I don't see VM being responsible for your internal networking requirements.

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Any ideal on the cost.

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That is dependent on what you have already and how big your house is. As i say i am not posting this in a official capacity i am working out what i think it will need. I already have a complete 1 gig network in my house with a cat5 socket in every room. So for me its the cost of 3 x 1 meter cat5 to cat5 patch cords, Tops £15.00 if i go for quality cabling

http://www.google.co.uk/products/cat...ed=0CHcQ8wIwAQ

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Not sure how much VM will charge for Multiroom, but probably the cheapest way to connect the Tivo would be to run an Ethernet cable from it to your router. This shouldn't cost more than a few pounds.

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Agreed

The what if would have to also include cost for the service if they wanted to charge for it ?

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Thats sounds very reasonable to me .

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One of the reasons I wanted to start this discussion is because alot of people will think just getting another Tivo will be all there is to it when streaming programmes and that is clearly not the case.

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I personally would not have thought that. I would assume you would need some form of additional connectivity, I would also have assumed that there might or might not be an additional cost for the ability to do it.

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This was taken from here.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l#post35320216

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Just because the option is in the menu dosnt mean its operational. I havnt seen anyone post that it actually works.

Regards

John.

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I'm planning on using home plugs for this. Downstairs TIVO is right next to the superhub, and I've got a set of home plugs ready to go once the 2nd TIVO is installed upstairs (and the software update arrives of course!). Looking forward to playing with this.

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It's also not been announced as part of the update.

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It's probably not been announced because most customers will need instructions on how to do it

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So Ben,

Is that some form of semi-confirmation that it is in this update, your just keeping it quiet so as not to confuse the technophobes! ;)

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I'm not confirming anything, I'm just going off the facts that:

1) People with the update are saying that there is a menu option
2) The US TiVo requires a connection to your router to do anything cool ;)
3) Majority of customers require instructions for anything networking related

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Not sure about the US TIVO but does it have an internal modem? if so then that's why it needs the net connection for any thing. However I can not personally see streaming working over a 10Mbs connection let alone virgin media shooting their own foot what with congestion that they are seeing at the moment.

I just hope that they don't hold back release of streaming due to support issues with most non technical customers (very large percentage) I would hope that they may just enable it and leave it as unsupported if that were the case but unlikely.

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A network connection and a connection to the internet aren't the same thing of course.

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I am surprised that it needs to be connected to your router as both tivos are already connected to VM's network. The US tivo's generally aren't in this situation.

However, talking to Tivo tech support a while ago regarding something else, he thought it could be via your LAN.

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I would expect that the data requirements are quite high. Remember that the upload on a 10Mbit connection is only at most 1Mbit (in upgraded areas). Even the web iPlayer needs more than that for 'HD'

The LAN connection via a router is 100Mbit at least in both directions (not sure if it's 100Mbit or a 1Gb LAN connection in the back of the TiVo box)

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If you built a system to stream video around your house you wouldn't do it over the internet would you? Not if both devices sat on a LAN.

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My thinking was that both tivos stream OD with no problem. They both link to VM, so somehow, they ought to be able to talk to each other.

Simplistic thinking though.

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With OD you don't have to worry about upstream, your downloading only.

If you were streaming from one box to another over the internet you would have to upload the recording as well as download it, and the width of your up pipe is a LOT less then your down pipe.

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This was my thinking. Plug em in and off they go. :dozey:

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OK, thanks; makes more sense to me now

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This is why our TiVO should have included MOCA, like the new Premier Elite does. With VM making their own combined modem/router it would have been the perfect opportunity for another one-up over other broadband providers.

Sadly, no... :(

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As the TiVo hardware would have been build last year maybe TiVo didn't have it available at that point

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MOCA has been around for a dogs age! (2007, I believe) I believe that the standard was developed by Motorola and Scientific Atlanta amongst others - CiscoSA are a member of the alliance itself. Lazyness on VM's part I would guess - it would be a boon for a number of applications. But then UK cable has always been on the technological 'back foot'.

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I understand that but what I was trying to get at is that Virgin can't introduce something that isn't supported by the TiVo firmware

TiVo have only just introduced MoCA with the Elite. It wasn't in the Premiere that the VM TiVo is based on, so it wasn't available for Virgin to include.

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I'm guessing this wouldn't have to be an internet connected router? It would be much easier for me to buy another than cable the boxes up to where the modem is.

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Has anyone had it confirmed we are going to be able to stream, I have not seen anything official in the upgrade pages on the community site.

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I can't see why it would need to be, as long as the boxes can see each other on the LAN then I'd think it should work. As I mentioned earlier though, there are easier options than cabling ;)

http://www.ebuyer.com/179960-extra-v...pi699e2-4u84-3

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I now have two TiVO boxes and I have the new update but it doesn't find the other TiVo box - Does the update (pilot) include Multi-Room streaming?

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This is the question i have been asking, Has anyone had it confirmed that the update does indeed enable streaming, Until i see an official statement on this i am going to assume it does not. ???

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No there hasn't and as I said earlier just because there is a menu option dosnt mean this is activated. The press release said that this update would build the foundations for extra features at a later date. MRS could be included or may be later no one from VM has said.

Regards

John.

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I agree.

I have no intention of going out and buying any kit until i hear an official announcement that says it's coming to a tivo near me. :).

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Silly question, but I take it you have both boxes connected to your LAN?

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I think he was just pointing his TiVo remote to the sky and shouting "BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL I HAVE MRS" :D

I would be interested in the answer to that as well Kgollop.

Regards

John.

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It will be a LAN connection, the official statement on the community forums already stated that he iPad app will need a LAN connection so it s a safe bet that this will too.

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But the question was does Markyuk have the two TiVos connected via a lan.

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I was referring to the general comments on this thread not that particular post.

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Why dont you just connect the tivo boxes with 2 homeplugs, see website facultyx for details on homeplugs. There is no need to run cable around the home. The homeplugs utilise spare bandwidth through your electricity cables. I have connected my 2 tivo boxes. They see each other, but due to restrictions you cannot stream from the box you recorded the programme on to the other box. This part of streaming as yet to be activated.

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Thanks for the update on the streaming functionality. Really looking forward to this being fully up and running. I would also agreen with the home plug suggestion, definitely what I'll be doing...

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Hello

You need at least 2 homeplugs to create a network. ideally they should be plugged directly into the wall socket, but they do work if plugged into an extension socket. just plug one next to your router and connect the homeplug to the router via the ethernet cable supplied with the homeplug. Then do the same with the other homeplugs to connect the tivo boxes. These plugs are great for connecting any ethernet product to your home network.

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Well we can now see the other tivo's now playing list,
but trying to stream any programme just says "not allowed".

You can delete a programme on the other tivo remotely if you like, but that's all we can do at present.

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It would be nice, if VM could be more open and tell us when features like these will be fully operational. For instance, when streaming is fully functional, will it be bidirectional. Why did the update install multi room streaming onto the tivo box, when you cant use it for its intended purpose.

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One thing at a time, although I am surprised that they showed this feature and not enabled you have to wonder if people are calling VM saying that this feature does not work. At least it is in there so they just have to flip the switch to turn it on.

Although being able to remotely delete is a good feature I have Friends series link on both boxes so now I can delete the episodes from both boxes in one go.

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Also, the update roll out is not complete yet, VM have said they will be Emailing us on the 25th with details about what is included in this update - so I'm kind of hoping for some info about this feature then :)

Note - I say hoping, not expecting!! ;)

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can we stream from tivo to a hd tv or only laptop ? if we can what do we need to use

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At the moment you can't stream to anything

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Do you see homeplugs as suitable for TV streaming or just transfer? Appreciate we don't exactly know how 2 Tivo's will work yet in terms of watching a recording held on the other - do they copy over or just stream it from one to another (USA Tivo site implies copy)? If it is copy then homeplugs are fine since just data transfer. If it is streaming then just checking if you have any experience of using homeplugs this way?

I've been looking at the TP-Link AV200 Mini Multi-Streaming Powerline Adapters, http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/d...el=TL-PA211KIT, they say they can provide HD video streaming with speeds up to 200Mbps but what is reality?

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As far as i can see. The streaming will be between tivo boxes. So you can stream the contents of 1 box to another tivo box connected to your bedroom tv and visa versa. Not really sure how you would stream to a laptop/pc. Interesting thought though.

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Streaming to a computer rather than another TiVo box would require a modified version of the TiVo Desktop/Buddy app. The regular one doesn't work... can't even see the box across the LAN.

Might be waiting a while to do that though, if at all: seems like licensing problems are preventing it being rolled out, although of course most people wouldn't care to download the .tivo files and convert them by stripping out the code which locks them. I mean, I would, but most users won't take the trouble so all the claims of piracy are a bit extreme, I think.

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I have used these devices for a number of years, i dont see why they wont stream rather than copy.if the tivo was just to copy i would think it would be time consuming and rather annoying. I am sure i have read somewhere that the multiroom would be streaming. The homeplugs just replace the need to run cables from your router/modem to any network enabled device. I am confident they will work with tivo streaming. Lets wait and see. i was told multiroom will be fully activated no later than the end of this week, lets hope.

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Thanks, considering getting these, just need a 2nd tivo box first, xmas present on the way!

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Can I just ask why my box says that I'am able to able to stream content to PC's and Mobile devices? But not able to transfer data?

Could be simple but maybe not?

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I would hold fire on the Christmas present. I have 2 TiVo boxes. Once streaming is fully active I could test and let you know if it works.

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An official position from Virgin regarding multi room streaming would certainly be welcome.

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"The feature exists but is not enabled" I believe is the stance from VM right now.

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Thanks, I'm desperate for this one to work! Had my 2nd TIVO installed today, all networked and both on 15.2 and I can view the recordings now just not play them. So close now! :D

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if nd when they enable multi room streaming and ability to download to other devices in your network ill be upgrading my boxes :D although i suspect ym wife will be annoyed means i have multiroom sky hd sports and mvoeis :D and multiroom xl tivo :D

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Tell her she'll be able to watch her recordings upstairs while you watch football on the big TV :D

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im sure she will say you got sky in both rooms so i can watch that :O but i am sure ill sell her on the tivo features ;) if she isnt ill do it anyway :D

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:banghead:

Why do you keep reposting the same info again and again. everyone knows that as its been posted a few times in the thread and elsewhere on the forum.

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I know, he crossposts the same stuff over on VM Community Forum as well, perhaps other related forums, who knows? Surely he has no time to actually use his VM services if he's spending so much time regurgitating the same (probably inaccurate) pieces of information over and over again.

It's annoying to come back to the forums here and find that he's pointlessly bumped a dozen threads and added absolutely nothing to them. Can something be done about that?

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Because its from Sir Spamalot.

I have made it so i dont see his spam.

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You still see the "you've ignored this user" bar where the post should be, though. I wish there were a way to not have that, and not have threads an ignored user has bumped highlighted as new, or any posts others have replied to by the ignored user shown in the thread timeline. Then you really would have an ignore function!

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Indeed that would be nice. :tu:

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Digital Spy is the same. Almost every thread on the first page was started by him when I last checked the cable TV section.

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Maybe it's one of those compulsive and without joy actions... forumomania or something. :D

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To be honest i think its quite sad really. Maybe a cry for help or just to get his post count up.

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At least Digital spy is not heavily moderated.

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Yes, I'm sure you enjoy running rampant, annoying people and having them derail threads because of your behaviour. All that lovely negative attention raining down on your head and making you feel special.

:confused: :dunce:

NOTE: Sorry moderators, just couldn't help it. I kept it clean though.

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I am not the only one who thinks this

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...1&postcount=38

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So you're adding abuse of moderators to your already impressive list of spamming, repetition and general pointlessness? You're really racking up those brownie points, Boy. :D

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Search Mersey 70 and you will see that is not me.

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You agreed with him with your "I'm not the only one who thinks this" remark, too late to weasel out of it now.

Or maybe not! Quick boy, to the edit buttons!

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:confused:

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:clap:

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post1407.html

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

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what's going on i thought this thread was about multiroom streaming but the last page is nothing like that ?!

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Sorry about that, a certain member has been spamming ever since the ban was lifted and I'm a luttle up in arms about that because the quality of the forum goes down.

:welcome:

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Welcome george.bailey :)

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Any more off topic postings will be removed.Get back on topic.

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thanks; yeah i suppose every forum has people like that . .. so from what i read before joining it'll be 2012 before multiroom tivo streams can be done ?!

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The forum here is not heavily moderated at all.

---------- Post added at 17:37 ---------- Previous post was at 17:36 ----------

Yes, the facility's there but it won't be switched on till next year.

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shame.; but when it's switched on everything from one box will be watchable on another right ?

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Yes that's correct

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Has it been mentioned if there's a limit on the number of TiVo's the can be networked?

Ideally I'd like to have my 2 other boxes replaced with baby TiVo's at some point. This in theory would give 9 tuners and 2TB of storage! :shocked::D

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Less space would be needed if recordings weren't protected and could be moved to a NAS, from which the TiVo could also stream. I'd love to see that.

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Yeah, you, me and everybody. But this is the poopy end of the stick when it comes to Hollywood's attitude to piracy. Legitimate interoperability is blocked in the name of copyright protection. I'll eat my hat if they enable the web interface to download to non-Tivo devices.

If you want that kind of functionality, you can't (really) have it with pay channels. Frustrating, I know.

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Or you could try and hack the software, but knowing how tightly TiVo have it locked down and that it's been a decade or so since first release, plus VM might be able to tell... basically everything you posted is spot on. Which is a shame, but hey, I'd rather deal with that and pay a reasonable monthly sub fee than pay $499 and have a much tougher time of things as they do with the US TiVo boxes.

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OT: Ever used MythTV? It's glorious - standard file formats, web EPG with program streaming, plugins for local content, Youtube, etc etc. Fat database backend and thin clients wherever you want to view content.

Only problem is it runs on Linux and getting PayTV in to it is a Knightmare (;))