Metropolitan Police accused of racism
 

By six officers. Six white officers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15341661

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I wondered how long it would take for this to happen, unfortunately we have been treated as a minority for too long by the pc brigade.

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This is the only part of the quote that gets my mind ticking over?

Or am I reading too much in to this part of the quote?

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... which probably tells you all you need to know about the story. I wonder if he reads the Daily Mail.

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Well it had to happen sometime .Reading the BBC article it seems a bit tit for tat ,i don't know if that is the beebs bias comming out or if that is just how it is but it will be interesting to see how other news sources tell the story

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They do have a valid point nevertheless.

For example I wonder what would happen if you tried to create a "White Police Association"?

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Are you mad :shocked:

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I've never liked them 'black association' things. it does nothing except make it look like it's a struggle and an achievement to be black.

and nobody realises how pathetic it looks.

to put it blunt. we were all equal when the wind was blowing East. but a black person decides that he doesn't like being normal, and wants to set up a black achievment kind of club. he or they want to make a point that he or they are different to the usual white.

we being white might want to join in and applaud the massive achievment.
either today or in the following 50 years.

nobody realises how pathetic it is.

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I agree they have a very good point and i sincerely hope it works out because things have gone too far in favouring ethnics imo

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Gary if you start with the sensible posts again i'm going to have to lie down for while :)

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The PC Brigade has caused most of this themselves. I remember when the world cup was on of football a few years ago and Asian taxi drivers in Leeds wanted to put the English flag on there cabs to show there support for the nation. They were told to take them off by the council in case they upset the Asian community!

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Funny how it's always white people who say that sort of thing, without fail.

The Met cannot do right for doing wrong. There will never be a perception of true equality as each side will cry racism at different times.

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Urban myth: it did not happen.

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So why do they need a Black Association ,if they have concerns about how the are being treated why not go to the Police Association ,why are they allowed to form a Black association seperate from the others if not to segregate themselves ,in my view the very name is illegal

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Blacks in the Met are a minority. The Met is known in the past for being, "institutionally racist".

Bet you didn't know what whites are permitted to join the Black Police Officers' Association.

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Totally agree.

Childrens tele. they have many black presenters doing the shows. kids don't think nothing of it. he or she is just a man or woman to them.

then they see a 'black association' or such.

why do we have, and why do we allow black associations?
why don't we have, and why don't we allow white associations?

nobody realises how pathetic it all is.

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So it's all about struggle and achievement still?
after all these years, and for eternity probably.

I would think so too. it would come across as racist otherwise.

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It's not the kids who have the problem usually. From what i can tell it's the adults.

Because in some areas of society, blacks are a minority and such associations are their 'voice' in a traditionally racist organisation.

Why would they be needed?

It is, but clearly not in the way you see it.

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Quite possibly. But you and I, both being white, have no idea what sort of issues black people face in these situations.

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There's plenty of blacks who are fed up with it all too.
they probably think like me in that there isn't an issue, there isn't a need.

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Can you show us any black people who are 'fed up' with a Black Police Officers' Association?

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Is the met known for being institutionally racist because blacks are in a minority and are blacks in a minority because the aren't employed because they are black or because they haven't actually applied for a job

bet you i did because that would be illegal ,it just looks even more pathetic and reinforces the question of why have a Black association in the first place ,it can act for blacks and whites equally the same as the Police Association .One wonders what would happen if it was decided to take it away

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No.
does that mean no black people are fed up with it all?

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A starter for you: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/ap...wrence.ukcrime

Have a look at that and report back.



From your answers I'm guessing you have no idea what it is set up for. Is it just a 'club' for black police to belong to? No, it is "Aiming to improve the working environment for police personnel of African, African-Caribbean or Asian origin working in London."

Whites may join because believe it or not, some whites find that a positive cause to contribute to.

Now there's a shocker...

So would it be fair to say you have no proof of it but the suggestion of it simply falls in line with your view of the world?

No idea, you're the one who made the claim, you should be backing it up.

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We'd probably go back to be being all the same. like we were trying to do, till these kind of things keep coming up to distract us and make us think maybe we are different afterall, and maybe there is a difference between black and white that we should sit down and discuss for eternity.

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That's right, 'cos there's no such thing as racism against blacks these days is there? Any non-white person claiming 'racism' is just overreacting and/or being too sensitive.

Have I got that right? That's your view right?

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LOL, Russ :erm:

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You're just dramatising. you're taking it all out of context. as per usual.

You're saying that the black police association is for blacks who feel that they may be victimised because they're black. it's there because white police don't like blacks?

it doesn't help. it's like saying come join the police, don't be scared we have set up a victim support group for blacks.

We'd probably go back to be being all the same. like we were trying to do

We don't need black and white clubs. we got past that kind of thing since we became more civilised. we have laws now instead

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I'm taking it from what you post. If you don't want people to apparently get the wrong idea you need to be a lot more specific, post evidence to back up your claims and actually directly answer questions instead of replying with a "lol" otherwise we're just going to take you for an ignorant bigot who is happy to post pseudo-controversial rubbish.

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What evidence? will any black persons photo I have and a made up quote suffice?
no? thought not.
opinion and probability denied?

Bigot: a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race..

I don't like being a bigot. it means all my opinions are invalid, and the other persons opinions automatically over-rule :(

But I will put my ballot paper in to say that seperating black and white with blacks only clubs, associations, and albums, is a bad thing for race relations.

I won't let someone PC stop me by throwing mud at me up the pathway to the polling station either ;)

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Your evidence for claiming..

If you don't have any then do us all a favour and just say so.

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Do you as an 'individual' think that there isn't any black person that is fed up with 'black police association'?

I say 'black police association' because you made it 'black police association' I actually didn't. I actually said black associations in general.

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Not the best article to prove institutional racism Russ ,

At the time of that article her job was to find racism and if you look hard enough you will find what you are looking for

see what i mean it's everywhere :rolleyes:

but the Met are not as bad as all that ,it's all the others :rolleyes:

don't know where that quote comes from Russ but this is their mission
It's for the whole country not just London and note the bit about improving the work enviroment for black people ,why not all people ?

and after a bit of research white officers cannot be full members only associate members... that's just to stop them being accused of racism http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/7697728.stm

feel free to report back :rolleyes:

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You made the claim, you back it up. If you can't, or won't then please just say so.

I didn't say it proved anything. You asked why it is known for being racist.

From http://www.metbpa.com/

I'm guessing because black officers experience more racism than whites?

Correction: from your link...
If you feel that strongly about it then why not find out which associations don't and ask them why, rather than forming your opinion on partial facts.

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I can't back it up.

you don't have to have made the claim of no black person is fed up with it, for you to answer the question. that would be silly if that was a rule.

so do you as an 'individual' think that there isn't any black person that is fed up with 'black police association'?

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No idea. Never given it a moment's thought and I don't see what difference it would make or why they'd object.

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Obviously we are going to disagree forever on this ,in my opinion the Black Police Association is wrong ,by it's nature it will find racism simply because it is looking for it .It promotes favouritism to blacks by it's very existence which is wrong .In my opinion it's organistions such as that,that will promote racism .By segregating themselves in separate organisations ethnic minorities do themselves no favours at all

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That's the whole point. we're missing the point :(
if there were some black people objecting to it, then maybe it's because what I think that it just creates a divide?

I don't suppose you have any evidence to back up the no idea bit do you? just kidding Russ.

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I still find it amazing that anyone talking about racism automatically assumes that it's white people discriminating against blacks.

It cuts far more ways than that but the interested parties rarely mention any of the other racist divides such as Pakistani/Bangladeshi, Indian/African or Chinese/Japanese. This doesn't suit the agenda perhaps?

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I have never seen a black person apart from at the crem :erm:
But on topic, I can see what the pinkish sometimes brown people are getting at, Native UK people are left out in the racism battle, its them that are allways accused :rolleyes:
Its not skin colour its anything these days, oooo I'm off to the EU court LMFAO
Some people believe that your skin colour matters when claiming benefits :rolleyes:

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Has to be because blacks can't be racist. I don't think those people talking are PC or tree huggers. but if they are then they're not doing the human race any favours. because all they're doing when they stick their fingers in their ears making silly sounds in order to try and distrupt the debate and its concerns, is making us move to the subject of tulips vs daffodils.

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Most Tulips are grown in the Netherlands :)