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Maggy 04-10-2011 11:23

Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/us...es.html?ref=us

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A loose-knit populist campaign that started on Wall Street three weeks ago has spread to dozens of cities across the country, with protesters camped out in Los Angeles near City Hall, assembled before the Federal Reserve Bank in Chicago and marching through downtown Boston to rally against corporate greed, unemployment and the role of financial institutions in the economic crisis.
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With little organization and a reliance on Facebook, Twitter and Google groups to share methods, the Occupy Wall Street campaign, as the prototype in New York is called, has clearly tapped into a deep vein of anger, experts in social movements said, bringing longtime crusaders against globalization and professional anarchists together with younger people frustrated by poor job prospects.
More here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15155046
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15160953

I look at this and note that mostly it's peaceful protest with mostly articulate and intelligent people and I look back at the looting and rioting of our summer and wonder at the difference.:erm:

I do wonder where it's going though with so many disparate reasons for protesting.

Derek 04-10-2011 12:04

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35309803)
I look at this and note that mostly it's peaceful protest with mostly articulate and intelligent people and I look back at the looting and rioting of our summer and wonder at the difference.:erm:

This is one reason.

US riot cop

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/10/69.jpg

UK riot cop

http://info-wars.org/wp-content/uplo...rotest-001.jpg

CS launchers, pepper spray and the ability to use them without the guardian and Jodi McIntyre getting airtime to moan about it vs an aluminium stick and years of inquests if you use it.

Maggy 04-10-2011 19:19

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But Derek there has only been one occasion in THREE weeks of the NYPD having to arrest anyone.

devilincarnate 04-10-2011 19:28

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They were just copying this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO_FVVHXEjM - RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE Sleep Now In The Fire

Dude111 05-10-2011 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J
I do wonder where it's going though with so many disparate reasons for protesting.

I believe stuff is starting to fall apart Maggy and i fear this is just the beggining.. (I sense it will be WORSE than the riots you guys had)

Thankfully your riots were contained fairly soon after they started....

devilincarnate 15-10-2011 21:18

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Looks like it is now starting to spread?

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Riot police have fought militant protesters in Rome as the biggest of a series of global rallies against banks and politicians tipped into violence.

At least 70 people were injured, three of them seriously, as police fought masked rioters with tear gas, water cannon and batons.

Other protesters tried to stop the rioters as they attacked cars and businesses, marring a peaceful rally.

The day saw coordinated protests in cities worldwide, most of them small.

Inspired by the Occupy Wall St movement and Spain's "Indignants", demonstrators turned out from Asia to Europe and back to New York for an event organisers said on their website was aimed at initiating "global change".

"United in one voice, we will let politicians, and the financial elites they serve, know it is up to us, the people, to decide our future," they added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15319924

Maggy 15-10-2011 21:23

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Sadly that's the risk..genuine peaceful but upset protesters get targeted by the absolute turds that just cannot just stage their own protests but have to hijack a peaceful one.:mad:

denphone 16-10-2011 08:08

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Yes l agree that everybody should have a right to protest peacefully but as Maggy said there are always these idiots who lie in wait just waiting to unleash their views and violence onto these protests and these idiots in my mind should be dealt with severely by the Authorities with no leniency shown.

Sirius 16-10-2011 11:24

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35316201)
Yes l agree that everybody should have a right to protest peacefully but as Maggy said there are always these idiots who lie in wait just waiting to unleash their views and violence onto these protests and these idiots in my mind should be dealt with severely by the Authorities with no leniency shown.

Problem is the protesters have to many rights and know them. The police have trouble dealing with them because the protesters rights take over and the press watch the police more than the protesters, Already this morning the words Kettling, Over reaction are being shouted from the roof tops. It does not matter that these SO CALLED protesters are out to create as much trouble as they can, But there RIGHTS let them get away with it. Meanwhile the RIGHTS of the building owners and the people trying to make a living in the area are ignored as usual and play second fiddle.

Maggy 16-10-2011 12:09

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35316250)
Problem is the protesters have to many rights and know them. The police have trouble dealing with them because the protesters rights take over and the press watch the police more than the protesters, Already this morning the words Kettling, Over reaction are being shouted from the roof tops. It does not matter that these SO CALLED protesters are out to create as much trouble as they can, But there RIGHTS let them get away with it. Meanwhile the RIGHTS of the building owners and the people trying to make a living in the area are ignored as usual and play second fiddle.

Please lets use the correct words Sirius.Some protesters were violent but not all and those who were not violent do have the right to continue to protest provided it's peaceful plus the police must act within the law when dealing with said protesters.Lets not lump all the bad protesters and the over zealous police in with those who are behaving legally..

I'm also concerned that you seem to think that ordinary citizens rights should disappear when people go out on the street and protest.Laws should not be partially applied depending on circumstances you will agree?Neither should civil rights and EVERYONE should be aware of their civil and human rights.You included.;)

Sirius 16-10-2011 13:04

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35316272)
Please lets use the correct words Sirius.Some protesters were violent but not all and those who were not violent do have the right to continue to protest provided it's peaceful plus the police must act within the law when dealing with said protesters.Lets not lump all the bad protesters and the over zealous police in with those who are behaving legally..

I'm also concerned that you seem to think that ordinary citizens rights should disappear when people go out on the street and protest.Laws should not be partially applied depending on circumstances you will agree?Neither should civil rights and EVERYONE should be aware of their civil and human rights.You included.;)

My views on protests are based on the protests we have seen over the last 12 months. The majority of them have turned violent. The right to protest i agree with fully, The right to disrupt people lives and property i don't agree with and that seems to be the way protest in this country now progress. They start with good intentions then the same groups turn up and make normal peoples lives a misery whilst there property is smashed or looted. I see these protest progressing in to trouble just the same as those over the last 12 months.

Citizens rights should not disappear but lets face it the protesters know how to manipulate there rights to ensure that they are not the ones in the press when they make everything go pear shaped.

Maggy 16-10-2011 13:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35316307)
My views on protests are based on the protests we have seen over the last 12 months. The majority of them have have turned violent. The right to protest i agree with fully, The right to disrupt people lives and property i don't agree with and that seems to be the way protest in this country now progress. They start with good intentions then the same groups turn up and make normal peoples lives a misery whilst there property is smashed or looted. I see these protest progressing in to trouble just the same as those over the last 12 months.

Give them a chance..you may be surprised.

denphone 16-10-2011 13:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35316307)
My views on protests are based on the protests we have seen over the last 12 months. The majority of them have have turned violent. The right to protest i agree with fully, The right to disrupt people lives and property i don't agree with and that seems to be the way protest in this country now progress. They start with good intentions then the same groups turn up and make normal peoples lives a misery whilst there property is smashed or looted. I see these protest progressing in to trouble just the same as those over the last 12 months.

Citizens right should not disappear but lets face it the protesters know how to manipulate there rights to ensure that they are not the ones in the press when they make everything go pear shaped.

l will second that.:tu:

squealy 16-10-2011 13:10

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Non-violent protests aren't considered as newsworthy. Which is perhaps why you haven't seen them.

Sirius 16-10-2011 13:21

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35316311)
Give them a chance..you may be surprised.

Well lets see, but i will wait till more of the rent a mob arrive and see what happens then. Q are there many big shops near that site ???

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Originally Posted by squealy (Post 35316315)
Non-violent protests aren't considered as newsworthy. Which is perhaps why you haven't seen them.

Well there has been enough of the violent ones this year that the public has had to pay the clean up on :mad:

As for the non violent we the public still have to pay for the policing of them.

squealy 16-10-2011 13:42

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Those protesting are the public too.

Maggy 16-10-2011 15:06

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Originally Posted by squealy (Post 35316341)
Those protesting are the public too.

And I should imagine a fair few of them(especially those who will be at work tomorrow)pay their taxes too and pay for the policing of public protests.:)

Sirius 16-10-2011 15:40

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35316401)
And I should imagine a fair few of them(especially those who will be at work tomorrow)pay their taxes too and pay for the policing of public protests.:)

Well lets see by how much the crowd reduces tomorrow shall we.

devilincarnate 16-10-2011 18:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35316437)
Well lets see by how much the crowd reduces tomorrow shall we.

If it is going by this protester it will grow?

Quote:

Another protester, Joshua, said he was confident the protest numbers would swell, based on the US experience.

"New York actually started with 70 people on the first night. We already have up to 500 on the first night. And by the next weekend they had 70,000 at the assembly. We're being watched. So there's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't [grow]."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15324901

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This is a good read?

Quote:

In February I wrote a blog called "Twenty Reasons Why It's Kicking Off Everywhere". With the global Occupy protests yesterday it is still looking quite accurate. But it's now clear there is a 21st reason. And a 22nd. We've had nine months of political paralysis. And people have begun to feel the economic permafrost setting in.

I went down to Paternoster Square to observe the first few hours of the London protest. The police sealed off the square, which is private property, so the protesters squatted the steps of St Paul's Cathedral. They had a big, sit-down general assembly and then broke into small circles, cross-legged, then got back together and decided to stay the night. At that point there were around 2,000 people.

Who were they? This is not yet as demographically wide as the indignado camps in Madrid or Syntagma were when they first started. Nor is it as "mainstream" as Occupy Wall street - yet. Not a single mainstream British politician attempted to appear at the protest; not a single MP, not a single famous author or film-maker. Helen John, the Greenham Common veteran, spoke, as did Peter Tatchell, but the biggest response - indeed it was a rock-star like response - was for Julian Assange. He was acclaimed by 9/10ths of the crowd and barracked in ribald language by the others.
But this is the best bit of the article (Ithink)

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Though the place was swarming with media, including a hilarious spoof of a Fox News reporter wearing a flak jacket, the main complaint is that the media is ignoring them and does not understand them. This latter point I think is largely true.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15326636

Dai 16-10-2011 19:49

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At least Paul Mason seems to "get it"..


"Occupy Everywhere, then, is the kind of movement you get when people start to believe mainstream politicians have lost their principles, or are trapped by vested interests, or are all crooked. "

Chrysalis 16-10-2011 22:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 35310481)
I believe stuff is starting to fall apart Maggy and i fear this is just the beggining.. (I sense it will be WORSE than the riots you guys had)

Thankfully your riots were contained fairly soon after they started....

People are starting to wake up to the fact capitalism isnt best for everyone when its not regulated enough.

The question is which do you (and everyone else) see as the problem.

1 - The protests/riots themselves, so once they stopped problem solved.
2 - Or the reason they happening ie. unfair wealth distribution, corporate influence on politics etc.

Example been osborne in this country thinking only about businsses when he is removing workers rights, and labour bailing out the banks. Also the slow and steady privatisation of the NHS and welfare system.

In america as I understand it they got similiar issues with the bank bailouts, except there's was worse as I believe the government over there cannot even ask the banks how the money has been spent, there was a clause that made them allowed to keep that info secret. Also in america they have people from the major banks working as part of their cabinet so have extreme influence.

The history of US presidents assassinated, every single one of them opposed a central reserve bank ran by the private sector, (currently the fed reserve), mysteriously when a president has plans to change the system they get killed.

The only way something like this will change in countries like britian and the US is if enough people take on arms and win a civil war against the army, probably realistically would require the army to either defect or not agree to fight as they would squash any rebellion. Or if another country invaded and won to change the regime.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35316307)
My views on protests are based on the protests we have seen over the last 12 months. The majority of them have turned violent. The right to protest i agree with fully, The right to disrupt people lives and property i don't agree with and that seems to be the way protest in this country now progress. They start with good intentions then the same groups turn up and make normal peoples lives a misery whilst there property is smashed or looted. I see these protest progressing in to trouble just the same as those over the last 12 months.

Citizens rights should not disappear but lets face it the protesters know how to manipulate there rights to ensure that they are not the ones in the press when they make everything go pear shaped.

I agree there is a boundary that when crossed its going too far.

I should also point out tho there is peaceful protests that the news agencies refuse to cover. It seems they only interested in ones that have violence or cover an agenda that fits the news bias.

The recent riots here certianly got news coverage and made some people think.

Damien 18-10-2011 09:43

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Went past these protesters on the way to work. They are very different to the usual crowd that 'anti-capitalist' protests tend to to attract. They are very peaceful and calm.

I read that the police have scaled back their presence because they hadn't caused trouble, they made an agreement with police on where to put their tents and haven't broken that agreement, they have moved meeting/speaking times in order not to disrupt church services and have left the way into St Pauls accessible for visitors.

Tuftus 18-10-2011 11:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35317376)
Went past these protesters on the way to work. They are very different to the usual crowd that 'anti-capitalist' protests tend to to attract. They are very peaceful and calm.

I read that the police have scaled back their presence because they hadn't caused trouble, they made an agreement with police on where to put their tents and haven't broken that agreement, they have moved meeting/speaking times in order not to disrupt church services and have left the way into St Pauls accessible for visitors.

They are peaceful and calm probably because they are too busy updating the media on thier iPhones / iPads and Macbook Pros...

Did you wave a bunch of £20's at them?

;)

Damien 18-10-2011 11:11

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Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 35317404)
They are peaceful and calm probably because they are too busy updating the media on thier iPhones / iPads and Macbook Pros...

Did you wave a bunch of £20's at them?

;)

Well I walked by with a Starbucks cup which I imagine is pretty antagonistic.

Hugh 18-10-2011 12:17

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Fascist - grinding (coffee) in the faces of proletariat....... :-)

Osem 20-10-2011 12:53

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St Paul's Cathedral could be forced to close by the presence of activists in the churchyard staging an anti-capitalist protest, officials say.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15380205

I wonder if all that Christian empathy bestowed upon the protesting masses will be eroded now the capitalist $$$s have stopped flooding in to the cathedral's rapidly emptying coffers?

It'll be interesting to see how the crowd react to being asked or even forced to leave (if that's what happens). If they're all peaceloving folk there shouldn't be a problem but who knows....

Damien 20-10-2011 12:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35318614)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15380205

I wonder if all that Christian empathy bestowed upon the protesting masses will be eroded now the capitalist $$$s have stopped flooding in to the cathedral's rapidly emptying coffers?

It'll be interesting to see how the crowd react to being asked or even forced to leave (if that's what happens). If they're all peaceloving folk there shouldn't be a problem but who knows....

Well it's all been quite civil so far, let's hope they can work out a compromise. The protesters made concessions to try and avoid this problem, maybe they will make more.

Chris 20-10-2011 13:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35318614)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15380205

I wonder if all that Christian empathy bestowed upon the protesting masses will be eroded now the capitalist $$$s have stopped flooding in to the cathedral's rapidly emptying coffers?
....

That's a little unfair - out cathedrals are among our most treasured historical monuments as well as important places of worship. If the upkeep of the monument and the provision of worship space are both under threat, I don't see what's wrong with the Dean asking the protesters to show the cathedral some of the same understanding that the protesters themselves have so far received.

Osem 20-10-2011 14:08

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35318631)
That's a little unfair - out cathedrals are among our most treasured historical monuments as well as important places of worship. If the upkeep of the monument and the provision of worship space are both under threat, I don't see what's wrong with the Dean asking the protesters to show the cathedral some of the same understanding that the protesters themselves have so far received.

There's nothing wrong with him asking them to move. In fact I don't think they should've been allowed there in the first place for the very reasons you've just made. IMHO it was a foregone conclusion that as soon as visitor numbers started to be affected something would need to be done about it. The reference to capitalist $s was made with a hint of irony given the nature of the protest BTW. ;)

As for the protestors, of course I very much hope theY will move on and clear up any mess they've left.

Maggy 20-10-2011 16:47

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I hope the cathedral will allow them to stay.I'm getting quite fed up with the way people aren't allowed to even protest peacefully anywhere these days..Luckily our police aren't likely to fire on them unlike those in Syria and Libya were prone to do.

Osem you seem to be against these particular protesters.Can I ask why?They haven't caused any particular trouble and the trouble there was at the weekend came from a different group altogether.

Of course if there is violence then they deserve to be arrested but I cannot see why they should be prevented from staying if they come to an agreement with the Cathedral authorities.

Pierre 20-10-2011 16:49

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Better make some more room now that Dale Farm has been cleared, all the "professional" protesters will have to go into the city to ply their trade.

Maggy 20-10-2011 16:53

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35318809)
Better make some more room now that Dale Farm has been cleared, all the "professional" protesters will have to go into the city to ply their trade.

Oh is that the problem..they are professional protesters.:rolleyes:

Anyone know what the pay rate is?

If they were amateurs I suppose that would be OK

Damien 20-10-2011 17:00

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Really they want to camp out in Paternoster Square, which is just next to St Pauls and is where the Stock Exchange is. If they were allowed to do that then there wouldn't be a problem at St Pauls. It's important to remember the lengths they went too to avoid trouble. They worked with the police to draw a chalk line over which tents could not cross, they worked with St Pauls so not to make noise during services and agreed not to post any material on the wall so they don't damage the building. As for mess, they have a makeshift recycling area which contains bins for waste, paper, glass, plastics etc.

Chris 20-10-2011 17:14

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35318817)
Oh is that the problem..they are professional protesters.:rolleyes:

Sadly, many protesters are exactly that. Some people start off on one cause and just seem to get a rush out of it I suppose.

Minty Challis is a good case in point.

Maggy 20-10-2011 17:17

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35318831)
Sadly, many protesters are exactly that. Some people start off on one cause and just seem to get a rush out of it I suppose.

Minty Challis is a good case in point.

We have no proof that these particular protesters are like that..apart from the fact that they have not caused any trouble thus far.;)

Chris 20-10-2011 17:18

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No, we don't, but past events give us clues to patterns and tendencies and it's quite fair enough to make reference to those.

Maggy 20-10-2011 17:21

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35318838)
No, we don't, but past events give us clues to patterns and tendencies and it's quite fair enough to make reference to those.

But not assume without evidence.

Damien 20-10-2011 17:26

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35318838)
No, we don't, but past events give us clues to patterns and tendencies and it's quite fair enough to make reference to those.

The current words and actions of these protesters over the last week suggest they are not violent or responsible. I have no idea if they will remain that way but it's only fair to judge them on their behaviour so far...

Chris 20-10-2011 17:27

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35318840)
But not assume without evidence.

I provided you with evidence that at least one of the Dale Farm protesters is a 'professional' - and that's the group Pierre was talking about.

Maggy 20-10-2011 17:44

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35318844)
I provided you with evidence that at least one of the Dale Farm protesters is a 'professional' - and that's the group Pierre was talking about.

Actually I was referring to the protesters at St Paul's.
Minty Nitwit isn't at St Paul's and hasn't been near this latest form of protest and may well be unwelcome in view of her tendency to try and steal the limelight.

I'm merely asking that people keep an open mind about these particular protests and see how it pans out.:shrug:

Osem 20-10-2011 23:28

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35318807)
I hope the cathedral will allow them to stay.I'm getting quite fed up with the way people aren't allowed to even protest peacefully anywhere these days..Luckily our police aren't likely to fire on them unlike those in Syria and Libya were prone to do.

Osem you seem to be against these particular protesters.Can I ask why?They haven't caused any particular trouble and the trouble there was at the weekend came from a different group altogether.

Of course if there is violence then they deserve to be arrested but I cannot see why they should be prevented from staying if they come to an agreement with the Cathedral authorities.

I'm just as against ANY group of protestors who decide to occcupy places of national importance/significance in such a manner for long periods of time. IMO those who occupied Parliament Square were just as wrong.

As for potential trouble, these protestors appear peaceful for now and I have no problem with them expressing their views but, as has been seen many times before, there are those who attach themselves to such groups with the sole aim of causing mayhem and I sincerely hope St Pauls doesn't fall victim to them and their antics. Given recent experiences in London, I don't think it's being unreasonable or denegrating the innocent to have some concerns about these events and what 'could' happen if the 'wrong sort' get involved.

Mr_love_monkey 20-10-2011 23:44

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i have to go through the back door at work now because of the protests...

Hugh 21-10-2011 00:17

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Fnarr fnarr (and I quote....)

Mr_love_monkey 21-10-2011 00:18

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35319120)
Fnarr fnarr (and I quote....)

you're so childish :p:

Hugh 21-10-2011 00:20

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And?.......

Damien 21-10-2011 00:25

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 35319072)
i have to go through the back door at work now because of the protests...

Wait. Where are they blocking? Do you work in Paternoster Square? That seems to be the only place that is inaccessible.

Mr_love_monkey 21-10-2011 00:29

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35319124)
And?.......

just pointing it out, incase you hadn't noticed...

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35319127)
Wait. Where are they blocking? Do you work in Paternoster Square? That seems to be the only place that is inaccessible.

I do.

Damien 21-10-2011 00:42

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Well that makes sense then.

Maggy 21-10-2011 01:05

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 35319072)
i have to go through the back door at work now because of the protests...

Why?

TheDaddy 21-10-2011 05:20

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35318862)
Actually I was referring to the protesters at St Paul's.
Minty Nitwit isn't at St Paul's and hasn't been near this latest form of protest and may well be unwelcome in view of her tendency to try and steal the limelight.

I'm merely asking that people keep an open mind about these particular protests and see how it pans out.:shrug:

Considering The Stock Exchange has moved premises for the duration and the fact it was hardly a secret means I'm prepared to give them benefit of the doubt but then again I'm not the harshest critic of protests, even if they turn a little violent, in fact I fully advocate a return to the ancient Greek way of Democracy, your MP tells lies, steals or lets you down badly they get thrown out in disgrace and their house gets burnt down, might seem harsh (especially if they are renting) but I bet they'd think twice before flipping, fiddling or treating the voters like dirt.

Mr_love_monkey 21-10-2011 07:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35319137)
Well that makes sense then.

I work in the sandwich shop in the square....


Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35319145)
Why?

can't get in the square, so we all have to enter via secret entrances. who would have thought sandwiches would be such hard work...

Dai 21-10-2011 09:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 35319167)
via secret entrances..

Subway?

Mr_love_monkey 21-10-2011 11:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaiNasty (Post 35319183)
Subway?

No. Different sandwich shop.

Hugh 21-10-2011 14:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 35319220)
No. Different sandwich shop.

Not heard of that one - is the bread on the inside, and the filling outside?*



*well, that would be a different sandwich....:D

Maggy 21-10-2011 15:17

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I believe we are wandering away from the subject..

Maggy 26-10-2011 20:59

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Update.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15468163

Quote:

St Paul's Cathedral could reopen to the public on Friday, despite the protest camp outside the building.
The Dean of St Paul's, the Right Reverend Graeme Knowles, said he was optimistic about reopening after changes to the camp set up by the Occupy London Stock Exchange group.
Demonstrators have vowed to remain at the site

Hugh 26-10-2011 21:24

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Interesting story in the Times earlier this week about 90% of the tents being empty at night (checked by thermal imaging cameras).

Here is the same story with film from the Telegraph

Maggy 26-10-2011 21:35

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Yes they really are worried about them aren't they?:D

I've been musing about the fact that even when a protest is peaceful the authorities and the media are looking for a way to undermine the protest using suggestions like this and accusations that the protesters are 'professional' protesters.

Have we really lost sight of the fact that it is a democratic right to protest provided no violence is used and that the law is not broken.

I think the beaten and shot protesters in Syria would love to be able to just occupy a square or two without having to risk being shot.

Dai 26-10-2011 21:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35321500)
Yes they really are worried about them aren't they?:D

I've been musing about the fact that even when a protest is peaceful the authorities and the media are looking for a way to undermine the protest using suggestions like this and accusations that the protesters are 'professional' protesters.

Indeed. It's interesting to see how much effort is being expended to undermine the protests. I think we've entered phase 2 of the Gandi Rule.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you"

The corporatista are worried.

Hugh 26-10-2011 21:54

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What are the Gandhi Rules?

I have heard of the Gandhi Satyagraha (Civil Resistance principles), but not Rules.

papa smurf 26-10-2011 22:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35321506)
What are the Gandhi Rules?

I have heard of the Gandhi Satyagraha (Civil Resistance principles), but not Rules.

rule 1- no questions ;)

Hugh 26-10-2011 22:26

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Rule 2 - we don't talk about Gandhi Rules....:D

Osem 27-10-2011 10:58

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Quote:

The chancellor of St Paul's Cathedral Canon Dr Giles Fraser has resigned from his post. Dr Fraser, who has been sympathetic to the protest camp, said on Twitter: "It is with great regret and sadness that I have handed in my notice at St Paul's Cathedral."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15472362

Seems that not all his colleagues are as supportive of the protestors.

Quote:

The Bishop of London said the demonstration had raised a number of very important questions but that the time had come for the protesters to leave.
Who'd have thought...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35321506)
What are the Gandhi Rules?

I think they're something to do with 20-20 cricket aren't they?..:D

Chris 27-10-2011 11:14

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I really hope Giles Fraser hangs up his cassock and then pitches a tent outside the cathedral.

Osem 27-10-2011 11:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35321683)
I really hope Giles Fraser hangs up his cassock and then pitches a tent outside the cathedral.

.... and occupy it overnight perhaps? ;)

Chris 27-10-2011 11:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35321685)
.... and occupy it overnight perhaps? ;)

You know, I think most people have completely missed the significance of the unoccupied tents.

You always have your bloody-minded crusties at these sorts of things, but now the well-heeled middle classes are getting involved. They still buy their coffee at Starbucks and they go home for a shower and a warm bed. They're by no means expert at the protest lark. In fact they don't really have much of a clue at all about how to do it. But they are starting to think that they should do it, and that's significant.

Osem 27-10-2011 11:33

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You could be right but it'll take a lot more than that to change anything.

Anyway, how long before some enterprising 'capitalist' amongst the protestors spots a golden opportunity and tries 'renting out' some of this prime c. London realty? :)

Maggy 27-10-2011 11:52

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Sad about Dr Fraser who seems to be the true epitome of a Christian in this case..Or as I understand the word to mean:erm:.

Chris 27-10-2011 16:26

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Quote:

The chancellor of St Paul’s Cathedral is to step down from his post after acting in a way that is supposed to be synonymous with the Christian faith.
Reports suggest that Canon Dr Giles Fraser, who has been sympathetic to the protest camp outside the London landmark, considers his position untenable after mistakenly practising what he preaches.
http://newsthump.com/2011/10/27/st-p...-of-tolerance/

:D

Damien 27-10-2011 17:45

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Interview with Dr Giles Fraser.

Quote:

"The church cannot answer peaceful protest with violence," said Fraser, adding that it was apparent that the Corporation of London was clearer than the cathedral authorities about its desire to see the protesters moved on...

..."What the camp does is challlenge the church with the problem of the incarnation - that you have God who is grand and almighty, who gets born in a stable. St Paul was a tent maker. If you tried to recreate where Jesus would have been born, for me I could imagine Jesus being born in the camp."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oc...py-london-camp

Osem 31-10-2011 19:24

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Quote:

The dean of St Paul's Cathedral in London has resigned, saying his position had become untenable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15524483

It seems these protests are doing more harm to the Church than the City of
London.

Damien 31-10-2011 19:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35323633)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15524483

It seems these protests are doing more harm to the Church than the City of
London.

Which isn't their intention. They wanted to be in the square outside the Stock Exchange.

Osem 31-10-2011 23:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35323636)
Which isn't their intention. They wanted to be in the square outside the Stock Exchange.

Which is why I haven't claimed it was their intention. Their intention is irrelevant - their actions and refusal to move on voluntarily and peacefully from the Cathedral's grounds have, however, quite predictably caused chaos and a great deal of harm to an entirely innocent institution which has nothing whatsoever to do with their cause.

Sirius 31-10-2011 23:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35323721)
Which is why I haven't claimed it was their intention. Their intention is irrelevant - their actions and refusal to move on voluntarily and peacefully from the Cathedral's grounds have, however, quite predictably caused chaos and a great deal of harm to an entirely innocent institution which has nothing whatsoever to do with their cause.

I said they are picking on the wrong target. I hope they are happy with the trouble they are creating for the Church, I might not be a religious person myself but if i was i would be annoyed that these people are targeting that building and making people resign.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35323636)
Which isn't their intention. They wanted to be in the square outside the Stock Exchange.

Then they should move, Let them go and picket Downing street instead of a church

martyh 31-10-2011 23:40

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aren't the protesters unwittingly revealing problems in the church that where already there ,not causing them ?

Mr Angry 31-10-2011 23:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35323734)
aren't the protesters unwittingly revealing problems in the church that where already there ,not causing them ?

There is that, yes.

Certainly- and perhaps unintentionally - they have caused the church to look at itself.

Sirius 31-10-2011 23:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35323734)
aren't the protesters unwittingly revealing problems in the church that where already there ,not causing them ?

At the end of the day they have been asked to move on but they have refused , What else can the church do now but ask the courts to get involved. I don't know if that resignation would have happened if the protesters had not dumped themselves outside the church.

Damien 31-10-2011 23:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35323721)
Which is why I haven't claimed it was their intention. Their intention is irrelevant - their actions and refusal to move on voluntarily and peacefully from the Cathedral's grounds have, however, quite predictably caused chaos and a great deal of harm to an entirely innocent institution which has nothing whatsoever to do with their cause.

They haven't done a great deal of harm to the institution. Most of the harm has been self-inflicted, deciding that they had to close on health and safety concerns before going back on decision and internal disagreements on how to deal with the protesters.

The situation at St Pauls is being used, predictably, to vilify the protesters. There has yet to be any violence, any disorder, any damage at all done by this camp, they seem to be a good example of what a peaceful protest is all about.

---------- Post added at 22:46 ---------- Previous post was at 22:45 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35323737)
At the end of the day they have been asked to move on but they have refused , What else can the church do now but ask the courts to get involved. I don't know if that resignation would have happened if the protesters had not dumped themselves outside the church.

They have to protest somewhere. Their location of choice was denied as it was private property.

Mr Angry 31-10-2011 23:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35323737)
At the end of the day they have been asked to move on but they have refused , What else can the church do now but ask the courts to get involved. I don't know if that resignation would have happened if the protesters had not dumped themselves outside the church.

It's much larger that getting the courts involved. Its about the fact that there are individuals within the church who are quite prepared to go against the teachings of Christ and endorse / allow the use of violence (their words, not mine).

danielf 31-10-2011 23:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35323743)
It's much larger that getting the courts involved. Its about the fact that there are individuals within the church who are quite prepared to go against the teachings of Christ and endorse / allow the use of violence (their words, not mine).

Frankly, I'm more surprised that some of the people involved actually decide they can't square taking action against the protesters with their beliefs.

Hats off to them though :tu:

Osem 01-11-2011 00:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35323740)
They haven't done a great deal of harm to the institution. Most of the harm has been self-inflicted, deciding that they had to close on health and safety concerns before going back on decision and internal disagreements on how to deal with the protesters.

The situation at St Pauls is being used, predictably, to vilify the protesters. There has yet to be any violence, any disorder, any damage at all done by this camp, they seem to be a good example of what a peaceful protest is all.

Directly and indirectly they've cost the church a lot of money (even more if the legal process is protracted) and, by all account, some good people their posts. Had they moved on when asked to do so none of that would've happened. That they haven't resorted to violence yet is fine but I've heard several protestors say there will be violence if the police try to move them. The police will clearly ask them to move and only if they refuse and obstruct or resist will there be any physical force used. They will be the ones reponsible for that not the police or the church.

Damien 01-11-2011 00:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35323753)
Directly and indirectly they've cost the church a lot of money (even more if the legal process is protracted) and, by all account, some good people their posts. Had they moved on when asked to do so none of that would've happened. That they haven't resorted to violence yet is fine but I've heard several protestors say there will be violence if the police try to move them. The police will clearly ask them to move and only if they refuse and obstruct or resist will there be any physical force used. They will be the ones reponsible for that.

One of the resignations was because he was opposed to the removal of the camp by force. He objected to that idea and said the camp was promoting the same goals as a church.

At the end of the day they are not being allowed to move onto anywhere else in the City. So they will stay there. I am all for that considering the good behaviour they have thus far shown. Considering the usual level of protest we have had in the City these people are showing how it should be done.

Maybe the government or city authorities should engage with them more instead of calling in the police. A good start would be to allow them into paternoster square if the agree not to encroach into the main walkways.

Osem 01-11-2011 00:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35323757)
One of the resignations was because he was opposed to the removal of the camp by force. He objected to that idea and said the camp was promoting the same goals as a church.

At the end of the day they are not being allowed to move onto anywhere else in the City. So they will stay there. I am all for that considering the good behaviour they have thus far shown. Considering the usual level of protest we have had in the City these people are showing how it should be done.

Maybe the government or city authorities should engage with them more instead of calling in the police. A good start would be to allow them into paternoster square if the agree not to encroach into the main walkways.

There'd be no removal by force or anything else if the protestors hadn't brought their dispute to St Pauls or refused to move as requested. I hope they continue to show 'how it should be done' when they're faced with the police who'll be trying to enforce the law.

Mr Angry 01-11-2011 00:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35323763)
There'd be no removal by force or anything else if the protestors hadn't brought their dispute to St Pauls or refused to move as requested. I hope they continue to show 'how it should be done' when they're faced with the police who'll be trying to enforce the law.

Their behaviour to date, having been entirely law abiding and peaceful, suggests that they will.

It's perhaps best not to prejudge them.

danielf 01-11-2011 00:29

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Out of interest: where are the supporters supposed to move to?

Presumably, the request to 'move' isn't simply a request to bugger off and end the protest?

Damien 01-11-2011 00:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35323763)
There'd be no removal by force or anything else if the protestors hadn't brought their dispute to St Pauls or refused to move as requested. I hope they continue to show 'how it should be done' when they're faced with the police who'll be trying to enforce the law.

They had no where else to bring it.

Cobbydaler 01-11-2011 01:28

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Aren't they just going to be asked to remove the tents? They're welcome to stay 'sans abode'?

Maggy 01-11-2011 11:04

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Well seeing as no one is allowed to protest outside the House of Commons and Downing Street is gated against incomers and they were denied the chance to protest outside the Stock Exchange I'd like to know where exactly they should take their protest.

I truly want to hear the answer to this..because it goes to fundamental rights that many of our ancestors have fought for here, and abroad for generations.The freedom of speech is paramount to our society and some members here don't seem to understand that right.It's also the reason why the ordinary citizens in Libya went to war with their former ruler..they were denied a right to speak out or protest about any issues at all.
Freedom of speech = democracy.Denial of free speech=dictatorship.

Sirius 01-11-2011 11:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35323838)
Well seeing as no one is allowed to protest outside the House of Commons and Downing Street is gated against incomers and they were denied the chance to protest outside the Stock Exchange I'd like to know where exactly they should take their protest.

I truly want to hear the answer to this..because it goes to fundamental rights that many of our ancestors have fought for here, and abroad for generations.The freedom of speech is paramount to our society and some members here don't seem to understand that right.It's also the reason why the ordinary citizens in Libya went to war with their former ruler..they were denied a right to speak out or protest about any issues at all.
Freedom of speech = democracy.Denial of free speech=dictatorship.

Freedom of speech YES. The right to protest YES. The right to interfere in the daily business of that church who has had nothing to do with there protest NOT as far as i am concerned.

As for where do they go, Well thats there problem not the problem of the church, I have already said why dont they camp at the gates of downing street ???

Damien 01-11-2011 12:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35323843)
Freedom of speech YES. The right to protest YES. The right to interfere in the daily business of that church who has had nothing to do with there protest NOT as far as i am concerned.

As for where do they go, Well thats there problem not the problem of the church, I have already said why dont they camp at the gates of downing street ???

You know full well why they haven't taken their protest to the gates of Downing Street, they wouldn't be allowed. Not only that but there is no room to do so there and their main target are the banks and the stock market located in the City.

Interfering with the business of the church was not their intention but it isn't good enough reason for them to be stopped, because you can use that card as often as you like, protestors will always be interfering with something when they protest.

Pierre 01-11-2011 13:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35323743)
It's much larger that getting the courts involved. Its about the fact that there are individuals within the church who are quite prepared to go against the teachings of Christ and endorse / allow the use of violence (their words, not mine).

Religious types go against the good books teachings shocker!!!!!!!

I've no idea why they're all falling over themselves to resign, I don't see what any of them have done wrong.

Their inflated view of their own importance seems to have done them in.

Sirius 01-11-2011 13:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35323861)
You know full well why they haven't taken their protest to the gates of Downing Street, they wouldn't be allowed.

Why should they be allowed to do it to a group that are not involved then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35323861)
their main target are the banks and the stock market located in the City.

Than camp outside the doors of the banks then, so many tents by each bank ???

Damien 01-11-2011 13:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35323889)
Why should they be allowed to do it to a group that are not involved then.

Than camp outside the doors of the banks then, so many tents by each bank ???

That is what they wanted to do, that is what they intended to do, but in the end that is what they were not allowed to do with the police guarding the area outside the Stock Exchange. So they went next to that area, which happens to be outside St Pauls' Cathedral. They don't have any disagreement with the Cathedral but it's the closest place to Stock Exchange where they could set up camp.

Mr Angry 01-11-2011 14:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35323868)
I've no idea why they're all falling over themselves to resign, I don't see what any of them have done wrong.

I suspect it's the moral dilemma that several of them have found themselves facing.

Osem 01-11-2011 16:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35323774)
They had no where else to bring it.

Thay don't have to effectively live somewhere illegally to protest. If they want to march and protest that's fine by me and that's what most people who've ever protested have tended to do.

TheDaddy 01-11-2011 16:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35323908)
That is what they wanted to do, that is what they intended to do, but in the end that is what they were not allowed to do with the police guarding the area outside the Stock Exchange. So they went next to that area, which happens to be outside St Pauls' Cathedral. They don't have any disagreement with the Cathedral but it's the closest place to Stock Exchange where they could set up camp.

Stock Exchange is shut for the duration anyway, they have moved to another building according to a pal that works there.

---------- Post added at 15:13 ---------- Previous post was at 15:11 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35321687)
You know, I think most people have completely missed the significance of the unoccupied tents.

You always have your bloody-minded crusties at these sorts of things, but now the well-heeled middle classes are getting involved. They still buy their coffee at Starbucks and they go home for a shower and a warm bed. They're by no means expert at the protest lark. In fact they don't really have much of a clue at all about how to do it. But they are starting to think that they should do it, and that's significant.

I wonder how many of their parents are the ones directy responsible for the crash, perhaps they should have pitched those tents in their own back gardens.

Dai 01-11-2011 16:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35323989)
I wonder how many of their parents are the ones directy responsible for the crash, perhaps they should have pitched those tents in their own back gardens.

Oh yes, I like that. Probably right on the money too.

Hugh 04-11-2011 22:57

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/11/70.jpg https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/11/71.jpg

Russ 04-11-2011 23:07

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http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_j4crfnxh

The facepaint is the shape of an eagle, for those who have not heard of The Ultimate Warrior. 'Warrior' is his legal name btw, and his wife really is called Mrs Warrior.

Maggy 05-11-2011 20:41

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An update.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15568253

Quote:

Anti-capitalist protesters camping outside St Paul's Cathedral in London have said they are considering an offer to allow them to stay until 2012.
The Occupy London Stock Exchange (OLSX) group described it as a "great U-turn" and said it had been asked to say when it would leave the site.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15608479

Quote:

About 200 protesters linked to the camp against "corporate greed" outside St Paul's Cathedral have entered Parliament Square.
Some 1,000 Occupy London Stock Exchange (OLSX) protesters had earlier set off to march to Trafalgar Square, but a breakaway group headed instead for the area outside the Houses of Parliament.
The Met Police says any protest is "illegal" without prior agreement.

The BBC understands the OLSX demonstrators have now agreed to leave.
It seems like the Church of England is finally finding it's voice.However the last time they spoke out they were more or less told to shut up and stay out of politics.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15605061

Quote:

The Church of England should highlight the human cost of financial injustice, the former canon chancellor of St Paul's Cathedral has said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-15605385
Quote:

The Archbishop of York has said the salaries of top executives "weaken" community life.
Dr John Sentamu said excesses in the financial sector had helped to create huge inequalities in wealth.
The archbishop called for a change of ethics regarding high incomes and the accumulation of private wealth.
He said there was little evidence that high executive pay improved productivity and criticised tax avoidance.


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