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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15155046 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15160953 I look at this and note that mostly it's peaceful protest with mostly articulate and intelligent people and I look back at the looting and rioting of our summer and wonder at the difference.:erm: I do wonder where it's going though with so many disparate reasons for protesting. |
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US riot cop https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/10/69.jpg UK riot cop http://info-wars.org/wp-content/uplo...rotest-001.jpg CS launchers, pepper spray and the ability to use them without the guardian and Jodi McIntyre getting airtime to moan about it vs an aluminium stick and years of inquests if you use it. |
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But Derek there has only been one occasion in THREE weeks of the NYPD having to arrest anyone.
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They were just copying this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO_FVVHXEjM - RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE Sleep Now In The Fire |
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Thankfully your riots were contained fairly soon after they started.... |
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Looks like it is now starting to spread?
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Sadly that's the risk..genuine peaceful but upset protesters get targeted by the absolute turds that just cannot just stage their own protests but have to hijack a peaceful one.:mad:
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Yes l agree that everybody should have a right to protest peacefully but as Maggy said there are always these idiots who lie in wait just waiting to unleash their views and violence onto these protests and these idiots in my mind should be dealt with severely by the Authorities with no leniency shown.
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I'm also concerned that you seem to think that ordinary citizens rights should disappear when people go out on the street and protest.Laws should not be partially applied depending on circumstances you will agree?Neither should civil rights and EVERYONE should be aware of their civil and human rights.You included.;) |
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Citizens rights should not disappear but lets face it the protesters know how to manipulate there rights to ensure that they are not the ones in the press when they make everything go pear shaped. |
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Non-violent protests aren't considered as newsworthy. Which is perhaps why you haven't seen them.
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As for the non violent we the public still have to pay for the policing of them. |
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Those protesting are the public too.
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At least Paul Mason seems to "get it"..
"Occupy Everywhere, then, is the kind of movement you get when people start to believe mainstream politicians have lost their principles, or are trapped by vested interests, or are all crooked. " |
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The question is which do you (and everyone else) see as the problem. 1 - The protests/riots themselves, so once they stopped problem solved. 2 - Or the reason they happening ie. unfair wealth distribution, corporate influence on politics etc. Example been osborne in this country thinking only about businsses when he is removing workers rights, and labour bailing out the banks. Also the slow and steady privatisation of the NHS and welfare system. In america as I understand it they got similiar issues with the bank bailouts, except there's was worse as I believe the government over there cannot even ask the banks how the money has been spent, there was a clause that made them allowed to keep that info secret. Also in america they have people from the major banks working as part of their cabinet so have extreme influence. The history of US presidents assassinated, every single one of them opposed a central reserve bank ran by the private sector, (currently the fed reserve), mysteriously when a president has plans to change the system they get killed. The only way something like this will change in countries like britian and the US is if enough people take on arms and win a civil war against the army, probably realistically would require the army to either defect or not agree to fight as they would squash any rebellion. Or if another country invaded and won to change the regime. ---------- Post added at 21:39 ---------- Previous post was at 21:35 ---------- Quote:
I should also point out tho there is peaceful protests that the news agencies refuse to cover. It seems they only interested in ones that have violence or cover an agenda that fits the news bias. The recent riots here certianly got news coverage and made some people think. |
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Went past these protesters on the way to work. They are very different to the usual crowd that 'anti-capitalist' protests tend to to attract. They are very peaceful and calm.
I read that the police have scaled back their presence because they hadn't caused trouble, they made an agreement with police on where to put their tents and haven't broken that agreement, they have moved meeting/speaking times in order not to disrupt church services and have left the way into St Pauls accessible for visitors. |
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Did you wave a bunch of £20's at them? ;) |
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Fascist - grinding (coffee) in the faces of proletariat....... :-)
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I wonder if all that Christian empathy bestowed upon the protesting masses will be eroded now the capitalist $$$s have stopped flooding in to the cathedral's rapidly emptying coffers? It'll be interesting to see how the crowd react to being asked or even forced to leave (if that's what happens). If they're all peaceloving folk there shouldn't be a problem but who knows.... |
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As for the protestors, of course I very much hope theY will move on and clear up any mess they've left. |
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I hope the cathedral will allow them to stay.I'm getting quite fed up with the way people aren't allowed to even protest peacefully anywhere these days..Luckily our police aren't likely to fire on them unlike those in Syria and Libya were prone to do.
Osem you seem to be against these particular protesters.Can I ask why?They haven't caused any particular trouble and the trouble there was at the weekend came from a different group altogether. Of course if there is violence then they deserve to be arrested but I cannot see why they should be prevented from staying if they come to an agreement with the Cathedral authorities. |
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Better make some more room now that Dale Farm has been cleared, all the "professional" protesters will have to go into the city to ply their trade.
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Anyone know what the pay rate is? If they were amateurs I suppose that would be OK |
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Really they want to camp out in Paternoster Square, which is just next to St Pauls and is where the Stock Exchange is. If they were allowed to do that then there wouldn't be a problem at St Pauls. It's important to remember the lengths they went too to avoid trouble. They worked with the police to draw a chalk line over which tents could not cross, they worked with St Pauls so not to make noise during services and agreed not to post any material on the wall so they don't damage the building. As for mess, they have a makeshift recycling area which contains bins for waste, paper, glass, plastics etc.
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Minty Challis is a good case in point. |
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No, we don't, but past events give us clues to patterns and tendencies and it's quite fair enough to make reference to those.
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Minty Nitwit isn't at St Paul's and hasn't been near this latest form of protest and may well be unwelcome in view of her tendency to try and steal the limelight. I'm merely asking that people keep an open mind about these particular protests and see how it pans out.:shrug: |
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As for potential trouble, these protestors appear peaceful for now and I have no problem with them expressing their views but, as has been seen many times before, there are those who attach themselves to such groups with the sole aim of causing mayhem and I sincerely hope St Pauls doesn't fall victim to them and their antics. Given recent experiences in London, I don't think it's being unreasonable or denegrating the innocent to have some concerns about these events and what 'could' happen if the 'wrong sort' get involved. |
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i have to go through the back door at work now because of the protests...
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Fnarr fnarr (and I quote....)
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And?.......
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Well that makes sense then.
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*well, that would be a different sandwich....:D |
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I believe we are wandering away from the subject..
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Interesting story in the Times earlier this week about 90% of the tents being empty at night (checked by thermal imaging cameras).
Here is the same story with film from the Telegraph |
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Yes they really are worried about them aren't they?:D
I've been musing about the fact that even when a protest is peaceful the authorities and the media are looking for a way to undermine the protest using suggestions like this and accusations that the protesters are 'professional' protesters. Have we really lost sight of the fact that it is a democratic right to protest provided no violence is used and that the law is not broken. I think the beaten and shot protesters in Syria would love to be able to just occupy a square or two without having to risk being shot. |
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"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you" The corporatista are worried. |
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What are the Gandhi Rules?
I have heard of the Gandhi Satyagraha (Civil Resistance principles), but not Rules. |
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Rule 2 - we don't talk about Gandhi Rules....:D
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I really hope Giles Fraser hangs up his cassock and then pitches a tent outside the cathedral.
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You always have your bloody-minded crusties at these sorts of things, but now the well-heeled middle classes are getting involved. They still buy their coffee at Starbucks and they go home for a shower and a warm bed. They're by no means expert at the protest lark. In fact they don't really have much of a clue at all about how to do it. But they are starting to think that they should do it, and that's significant. |
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You could be right but it'll take a lot more than that to change anything.
Anyway, how long before some enterprising 'capitalist' amongst the protestors spots a golden opportunity and tries 'renting out' some of this prime c. London realty? :) |
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Sad about Dr Fraser who seems to be the true epitome of a Christian in this case..Or as I understand the word to mean:erm:.
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Interview with Dr Giles Fraser.
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It seems these protests are doing more harm to the Church than the City of London. |
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aren't the protesters unwittingly revealing problems in the church that where already there ,not causing them ?
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Certainly- and perhaps unintentionally - they have caused the church to look at itself. |
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The situation at St Pauls is being used, predictably, to vilify the protesters. There has yet to be any violence, any disorder, any damage at all done by this camp, they seem to be a good example of what a peaceful protest is all about. ---------- Post added at 22:46 ---------- Previous post was at 22:45 ---------- Quote:
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At the end of the day they are not being allowed to move onto anywhere else in the City. So they will stay there. I am all for that considering the good behaviour they have thus far shown. Considering the usual level of protest we have had in the City these people are showing how it should be done. Maybe the government or city authorities should engage with them more instead of calling in the police. A good start would be to allow them into paternoster square if the agree not to encroach into the main walkways. |
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It's perhaps best not to prejudge them. |
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Out of interest: where are the supporters supposed to move to?
Presumably, the request to 'move' isn't simply a request to bugger off and end the protest? |
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Aren't they just going to be asked to remove the tents? They're welcome to stay 'sans abode'?
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Well seeing as no one is allowed to protest outside the House of Commons and Downing Street is gated against incomers and they were denied the chance to protest outside the Stock Exchange I'd like to know where exactly they should take their protest.
I truly want to hear the answer to this..because it goes to fundamental rights that many of our ancestors have fought for here, and abroad for generations.The freedom of speech is paramount to our society and some members here don't seem to understand that right.It's also the reason why the ordinary citizens in Libya went to war with their former ruler..they were denied a right to speak out or protest about any issues at all. Freedom of speech = democracy.Denial of free speech=dictatorship. |
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As for where do they go, Well thats there problem not the problem of the church, I have already said why dont they camp at the gates of downing street ??? |
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Interfering with the business of the church was not their intention but it isn't good enough reason for them to be stopped, because you can use that card as often as you like, protestors will always be interfering with something when they protest. |
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I've no idea why they're all falling over themselves to resign, I don't see what any of them have done wrong. Their inflated view of their own importance seems to have done them in. |
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