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Virgin least complained about provider in Q2 2011
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011...mplaints-ofcom
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What about Q1 2011?
Is this a first for VM? |
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Talk Talk must be really bad then :)
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Wow, the others must have been really bad!!!
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A l have said before l am very happy with a large part of Virgins services such as broadband,phone,video on demand and most of the TV channels but their biggest weakness in my mind is their woeful lack of communication and having those foreign call centres in which every time l phone up l need a translator to work out what they are exactly saying to me.
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Well, to be fair, you are from Plymouth......:D
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Another 90% happy Virgin customer (with Comtel then NTL). Moved house 3 times all went well. My only issues are with the charging for existing customers (have to ask for new/lower prices rather than be offered) and Media Player that doesn't work at all. And scripted overseas call centre staff. - Just remembered, having real problems getting the new remote to do the volume on the TV - will have another go tomorrow. :dozey:
Helpful UK based staff both on the phone and through here. |
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Virgin should be proud of those results. We are living in an age of complaints and over opinionated customers. Almost everyone has a gripe about something these days.
Does anyone know how many customers each company has? Also Virgin have done pretty good in terms of customers complaining about their mobiles: MOBILE COMPLAINTS 3UK - 0.14 per 1,000 customers Orange - 0.07 T-Mobile - 0.06 Vodafone - 0.06 Virgin Mobile - 0.05 O2 - 0.02 |
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Recently went on an Abusive Call handling course where we learnt the worst three things to do. Not listen, read from a script and surprisingly respond as the complainants opening comments expect.
Also a company that receives lots of complaints and handles them properly will be far better than somewhere that does not accept complaints. |
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It would be good if there was an honest report with statistics provided by the companies themselves. Even 0.15 per 1000 is a huge number to actually go all the way to Ofcom, because I should think that there are probably about another 100 who don't go as far as the ombudsman. I makes me laugh when companies pat themselves on the back if they have 90% satisfied customers. Personally I aim to have 100% of my customers not just happy, but over the moon with our service (although there will always be the odd Victor Meldrew type who you will never please). |
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To be fair, you are unlikely to have over 4 million customers, so your 100% is probably more achievable.....
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So this is nothing to blow your trumpet about. It is something that should be looked at very seriously. Personally I believe that the reason they don't tackle the problem is because of the lack of competition. The only reason I have stayed with Virgin is because their service (not their customer service) is probably the best of a very bad bunch. |
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A number of those 'complaints' will include those customers that just didn't get what they wanted.
Someone not getting a free TiVo may take their complaint to OFCOM, who would record it as such even though it's not one Even OFCOM themselves say that don't check whether the complaints reported are actually valid or not (from the previous report quote) Quote:
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If Virgin have no competition and don't tackle complaints, wouldn't that mean they would have the highest number of complaints reported to OFCOM, not the least? |
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The only real competition that VM have is BT and Sky. So if BT and Sky's customer service is just as bad, then why would they bother improving their customer service? There are many companies who have scrapped their overseas call centres due to complaints from customers, and because customers find companies with UK call centres more appealing. VM wouldn't do this because there isn't much alternative to VM. ---------- Post added at 22:32 ---------- Previous post was at 22:28 ---------- Quote:
The fact remains that in just 3 months 600 of their customers have seen fit to escalate a complaint as far as Ofcom. This is still unacceptable in anyones book. |
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It's customers who have refused any settlement of the complaint with the provider. As I said above, I know for a fact that people have 'gone to OFCOM' because they didn't get X product free or X credit. Just because it's a complaint to OFCOM doesn't make Virgin at fault On the flip side to that, I'm sure there are some perfectly valid issues in there where things could have gone better. No company the size of Virgin (or BT or Sky) are ever going to please 100% of their customers 100% of the time, and not every complaint can be resolved to the customers benefit or satisfaction |
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I really hate the excuse "No company the size of Virgin (or BT or Sky) are ever going to please 100% of their customers 100% of the time, and not every complaint can be resolved to the customers benefit or satisfaction". We hear this sort of excuse all the time from big companies. Well it should be a priority of any company, big or small, to aim to please 100% of it's customers. But all too often they are happy just to please 90% or so. I have personally had countless issues with Virgin/NTL over about 20 years. And I have never taken it to ofcom, so my complaints wouldn't even appear on their statistics. In fact my latest complaint was when my two businesses were without telephones for three days when we moved because I was lied to by a member of the Virgin staff. |
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Complaints are made and end up with OFCOM due to many factors, not all of them down to Virgin. As we going around in a circle here I think it's time to respect each others position and leave it at that |
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I have said that only a small percentage of complaints go to ofcom, so there are many times more that don't. So VM have nothing to blow their trumpet about. Even from this thread you can see that many people hate the overseas call centres, because they are impossible to deal with. I am not one of those customers who is impossible to please, yet I have had many avoidable issues with VM, that could have been dealt with far better. The worst issue is the lies that customers are told by customer service....even you can't defend that. |
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And what line of business are you in, Tim?
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Because I don't believe you fairly comparing the complexity of the business model and the number of customers that major companies deal with, with that of a smal business. For instance, how many customers a day come into your place of business, and what is your annual turnover?
In any model, the more customers you have accessing a service, the more staff you have (all of whom have good days and bad days), the more interconnected and complex services you have, the more likely you are to have someone who's is unhappy with your service (and I reference your "Victor Meldrew" comment). It's easy for someone with a simple business model/limited product range/low customer throughput to give personal service, but when a company has millions of customers, tens of thousands of staff, and multiple interconnected services/products to sell and support (and I am talking about any large company, not just VM), the odds of having some who is not happy with the service they have received rises at least arithmetically, if not geometrically. That is not to say large companies should not try to give the best customer service possible, but you cannot please all of people all of the time. |
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To start with, any staff who deal with customers should not bring problems to work. And therefore personal issues should NEVER have any bearing on the way they deal with customers. Staff who can't do the above quite simply shouldn't be employed in positions dealing with the public. If a company (whatever size) employs the right people, and trains them properly, then this alone should eliminate most complaints. Worst of all is when staff are actually trained to lie to customers, as I have come across a few times with VM. To be honest I am disgusted that there are two members of VM staff in this forum who instead of passing on customers concerns, actually try and make excuses, and even deny that there is a problem. Well as I have said many times, there is a serious problem with VM's customer service. You have to remember that VM aren't retailers, they provide a service. And this is a service that should run trouble free on a day to day basis. And I have to say that it usually does, and is in fact very reliable. Even when there are faults that cause disruption in the service, then I accept that as with all technology, this can happen occasionally. And although it can be very annoying (especially when trying to run businesses that rely on communications and IT), it isn't really grounds for a complaint as long as the problem is sorted quickly. With retailers they are relying on products manufactured by third parties, and therefore they are more likely to have complaints. Complaints usually start out as problems. It's the way that these problems are dealt with that decides if it becomes a complaint. And this is where VM fall flat on their face as far as customer service goes. The best single way to improve VM's customer service would be to bring the call centres back to the UK. Oh, and stop training staff to lie. |
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Come on post the evidence that they HAVE done what you posted or are you just RANTING BTW i am staff and i have never been told to lie to a customer EVER and i NEVER do |
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Another how long is a piece of string argument..
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But Santa comes to my house because i am a good boy :) |
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I'm not someone who just rants, and has a grudge about VM. In fact in other threads I have defended VM against someone who was ranting. I have been lied to by staff in your overseas call centres on many occasions. A prime ewxample is when I have repeatedly been told that it isn't possible to transfer the call to someone in a UK call centre. Then when I speak to their supervisor, they actually transfer the call. Then there was the lie that my business phone lines and internet would only be down for a few hours when we moved. But they were down for a few days. And the divert to mobiles during the down time that I was promised would work, didn't work at all. I was in fact told later that there was no way that it ever would have worked. So before you start ranting at people [Mod Edit], I suggest that your company gets it's own house in order. |
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so i say again prove it or state you are saying it as a opinion for instance i could say that you told your staff to only sell the most expensive bed they could not matter if its the better one or i could say that in my opinion your staff only sell the most expensive bed even if its not the best. See the difference one needs proof because its stated as fact the other is an opium and not fact. |
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It's just the same as with most call centres (not all, and not VM), if you ask to speak to a manager or supervisor, they are trained to say that there is noone available, and that they will arrange a call back, which is often a lie. It's just the way that many big companies work unfortunately. The difference is between you and me is that I have had many dealings with VM/NTL over 20 years. Yet you have never had any dealings with me or any of my businesses. So why are you taking this personally??? I haven't said anything personal against you, yet you make personally insulting comments, [Mod Edit]. |
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Or are you basing that 'fact' on your personal experience on the other end of the phone? |
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I prefer to read facts from posters not posts claiming something is fact when they DONT have the evidence to back up there statement. |
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Someone is not deliberately lying if what they say is the truth as they know it at the time. |
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I have as much evidence as I need to back this up. And unless you are a senior member of staff at VM, whi would like to resolve all the issues I have had, then it is none of your business. |
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The fact is that I have been lied to on many occasions by call centre staff abroad, as well as UK based VM staff. I have given examples of these. |
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I'm not sure why you are posting at all on this (consumer-oriented) forum. Doesn't the SLA on your business account provides whatever cover you need for any loss of service?
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Maybe it would be a good idea to call Customer Relations on Monday from 8am on 150 from a Virginmedia phone line or 0845 454 1111 from any other phone and choose option 5 option 2 and if you forget your password just press zero and complain to them instead. Quote:
By the way I may be staff but do please read my signature below as I am posting here as a private individual as are the others above. |
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My thoughts on VM employees I've dealt with on the phone.
UK BB Tech Support have always been excellent , honest and polite as have UK Customer service agents , if I had to criticise anything it would be my dealings with off shore and different agents quoting different prices or not having knowledge of newly launched services. |
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But did you deduce from that phone call that VM have trained there staff to lie to you ??? |
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All I can say is VM staff worked blummin hard to get our vital systems at work back up and running. Even if it did take several days.
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I bet AOL are somewhere in the worst providers to.
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The issues are in the past. My comments are about the poor customer service that I have received over the last 20 years. I'm not after compensation or anything. I just wish that they would improve their service. And as most people want, bring CS back to the UK. Quote:
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There will always be complaints, it is how companies (large and small) deal with those complaints matters - if the customer has a valid complaint, and the issue is resolved (hopefully to the customer's satisfaction), you tend to keep the customer (and they tell others how helpful the company has been). I have found that most customers will be delighted with excellent customer service
However, some will abuse the good service you give. Unfortunately there are some people who will always find something to complain about, no matter how hard you try to help them out. |
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If you were to post this elsewhere and identified yourself you could be in deep water legally with what would be construed as false accusations with regards training. |
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It is disgusting that a member of VM staff should be so personally abusive to a customer who has had many bad experiences with VM. Especially in a public forum. You aren't doing your employers reputation any good at all. And your own career prospects I imagine. ---------- Post added at 01:07 ---------- Previous post was at 01:04 ---------- Quote:
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As I've mentioned before, if people ask me which provider I recommend, then I say that VM provide an excellent and reliable service. However when things do go wrong you have an absolute nightmare sorting it out. The only customer service that I have ever experienced that is worse than VM is Paypal. |
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All i have done is highlight the fact you stated VM train there staff to lie when i know they don't. If we don't challenge this in accuracy then we would be accused of admitting its true when its not. All you had to say was that it was in your opinion and not state it as fact. Anyway i have done what i needed to do so you continue with your accusations that VM do something that you have no proof of, Those reading this thread will see that you have not given proof when asked to. |
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Can I suggest liberal use of the IGNORE feature in this thread, otherwise we're going to go round in circles..
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I think that the link in the first post says it all and if you or anyone else had an axe to grind then you would follow the correct process and ring up or even send a letter to the Complaints Department. Quote:
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What an employee does in their own time is their own business unless there is some contractual restriction or it directly effects the employees ability to do their job.. Sorry Tim you seem to be pulling facts out of thin air and taking this thread more and more off-topic (it's about complaints and the amount recieved and not what a VM employee can do in their own time) So Back on topic everyone. ---------- Post added at 10:29 ---------- Previous post was at 10:15 ---------- Off-Topic post deleted, any more and I will take further action. The topic here is "Virgin least complained about provider in Q2 2011" and not employment law or rights to free speech |
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I'd just want to comment that whether complaints to OFCOM registered in this survey/report are spurious or not should be irrelevant in terms of the standings as long as we can assume that all suppliers suffer in the same manner.
What would be interesting is to get the data on the percentage of upheld or at least progressed complaints. This would show at least two points that would be interesting: 1)Some comparison of "real" complaints against suppliers 2)Some idea of customer attitude. Does any one supplier get more OFCOM referrals than others regardless of validity? That is does any one supplier have a customer base more inclined to escalate than others? What do others think? This comment is being made as a personal thought not as a VM staffer. I don't work in a customer facing role so can't comment on that side of the company. |
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Virgin Media have made it clear staff can post here (or anywhere on the internet) and identify their employer as long as they make is clear that their views do not necessarily reflect that of the company. Virgin Media do not post anywhere in an official capacity other than on their own forums therefore any comments made by VM staff on here are their own. Any further comments on this will be removed and infractions issued which could lead to an automatic suspension. I advise against anyone wishing to 'test' the team on this.
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I suppose it could only be valid complaints, like my service doesn't work, I have been over charged, an engineer didn't turn up, a member of staff has been rude to me, etc....... |
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I still remember how much trouble i had from Npower customer service, They made me lose the last of my hair. I ended up moving to another provider who has been fine.
Years ago when i had a dial up connection with the dreaded AOL i had many a run in with them over my bill. They charged me for on line time on a 0800 number because there systems were faulty. It took me months and a letter from a solicitor to get the money back. |
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A more interesting statistic, would be where most of VM's complaints originate, and if they have improved at all in those areas.
Manchester here and yet again on a discount because of over subscription. I don't complain about it half as much as I used to because I get the same old waffle about it being "fixed soon". Never happens of course. I'm currently trying out Onlive and it is dire in the evening because my 50meg drops in speed so much and suffers huge ping times. |
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No we are just another statistic.
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