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A 39-year-old man has been arrested after a suspected burglar was stabbed and died at a house in Bramhall, according to Greater Manchester Police

http://news.sky.com/home/article/16072164

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oken-home.html

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On the basis we know next to nothing about this case, from the little we do know I'd say he may have a good chance of getting off this, or at leave getting off a murder charge.

He was attacked/burgled by 2 people which generally speaking usually means a weapon can be justified as self defence. As long as they hadn't agreed to leave the property and he stabbed them repeatedly on their way out or something daft like that they I can see this going his way.

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it happend to my family when i was 20 someone broke into my house and attacked my mum, so i did what i thought was right and defended her, maybe i hit him a few more times than what the law states as reasonable force but i didnt see it like that at the time when the police turned up they arrested me under a section 18, the charges were dropped, but still if a criminal is willing to brake into someones house then they should have the right to defend there family

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The burglar should not have been in his house end of story.

Good luck to the house holder and thank you for removing another burglar from our streets. :tu:

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and the threat of a court case will hang over his head for over a month as the officious CPS fuss over a open and shut case.

whats the bet that the dead man was known to the police and had numerous arrests for criminal activity, revolving door justice.

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Indeed :)

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Dead men can't talk. and the other one is just full of lies anyway.

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Well done that Homeowner. The Dead man was where he should not have been. If he had`nt been there, he`d still probably be alive today.

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I accept its your right to protect and if it was self defence no question its reasonable.

My fear if this becomes more widespread then the worry is deteroration of situation as a whole. Burgulars wont stop they did'nt in america however what they did was they came tooled up either brandishing knifes or god forbid guns. Homeowners will then get bigger weapons to defend themselves next thing you know everyone got guns.

Could we deterorate to this level.

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I have no sympathy for the burglar whatsoever, if a guy or girl breaks into my house, he will get thrown out of the first window, and my boot stuck to his goolies, so he won't run far.

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The homeowner should be released from custody as i feel he has done nothing wrong.

**** bag burglars should not be in peoples houses it is that simple and i don't see any problem giving them a good kicking if they are. If they attack the owner with a knife then they should expect the same back and if they end up dead thats there problem.

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The police need to be sure beyond any reasonable doubt that the guy he stabbed was not just someone who has wondered in to the wrong house, or already invited in to the premises.

The problem with knee-jerk reactions is it leaves too much to risk. Once the police have established all the facts then they guy should be released if it is proven he used reasonable force.

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I am 51 and have NEVER in all those years wondered in to the wrong house even when totally drunk. :)

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In fairness the law is not governed by your experiences (or lack of). Soldiers I'm sure would go in all guns blazing, police on the other hand prefer to establish facts first.

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That's a very black and white way of looking at the situation.

The problem is that when the Police go in, the only thing they know is that there are two people in the house, one alive one dead.

There could be any number of reasons the dead person was there, but the one who is alive could just claim he was burgling. The Police should not accept that claim at face value. The "burglar" may not have been a burglar and could have been there legitimately.

It is right that the Police arrested the man while they investigated what actually happened. It is also right that if it goes to court then the jury will probably slightly favour the houseowner when delivering a verdict (after all, a good percentage of them will be houseowners, and all of them will be able to imagine the pain of having their house invaded).

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I did say after the last one that we'll hear more about dead burglars. and then we have Daves backing on the subject. and the general view of the peed off, skint, fed up, annoyed, bored public.

we're onto a winner.

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I have. and the wrong bed :)

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I always keep a few super hubs behind my bed to throw at them :)

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Man arrested in Bramhall 'intruder' murder probe released on bail

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...n-bail?rss=yes

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oh dear he died trying to steal from somebodys house i really have no sympathy for him or his family , my sympathy goes to the guy who had to defend himself from **** like this , i would have done the same , i would use any means necessary to protect my family and my home from utter **** like this and if more people did the same and it became more widespread then mr burglar may think twice about breaking into a property and taking what is not his because he is a lazy git .

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Excellent news :clap:

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ok..new thread, give us the details :D

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:bigcry:Bunches of flowers are being left outside the property where the burglar was killed ... How weird is that ... :banghead:

Nobody left flowers outside Hitlers bunker did they ... So why leave them for a deceased burglar.

Next thing will be awarding the burglar a medal 'cos he was killed in action !
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You haven't others have and I'm with Russ, some ones dead and it needs to be investigated

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I think he meant he never "wondered", though "wandered" is different :D

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I think the sick thing about this, the bloody nerve is that, people have put flowers down for the ******* who is now dead.

He shouldn't be resting in peace, he should be going to the devil, He has no place in heaven, and l hope the doors of heaven are firmly shut.

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OMG thats another post of your's i agree with :confused:

:tu:

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I realy don't think there is any doubt about the victims guilt so as far as i am concerned ,and i'm going to go out on a limb here ,the filthy **** bag got what he deserved .
My main concern is the future safety of the family as quite obviously the deceased **** bag has some very unsavoury family and friends who think it is acceptable to leave flowers and messages of condolences outside the families house,i wouldn't put it passed them to start terrorising the family or even the neighbourhood

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The guy has been released on bail following an enquiry into the killing ... Also the flowers have now been removed.

The police and the whole neighbourhood should thank everyone who kills a burglar particularly with the burglars own knife.

Lets hope the guy gets a medal for ridding us of another dangerous , knife wielding villain.
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2 years ago my sons bike was stolen ,i ended up getting a police caution because i smacked the kids father who was sitting drinking beer and laughing because he thought i couldn't do anything about it ,....i am a 6' 4" builder :D

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Yeah but were the flowers actually paid for or were the local florists relieved of them?

I'm still astounded that arrest seems to be the default action of the Police down in England and Wales. I can understand its needed to investigate but surely when it seems clear cut (known burglar in someone elses house, multiple witnesses he was robbing the place, legal owner not known for murdering people in his house) a simple 'invite' to the office and then some low key questioning till the facts can be established would be a better course of action. :confused:

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but that would be far too sensible Derek and don't forget that this is England ,the red tape capital of the world

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Who removed them?

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I believe that the coalition government can do something good whilst it is in power and give householders the right, that if someone breaks into your property you be be given and amnesty, if the suspect ends up seriously injured or fatal.

It is about time the law was change to allow the householder that right, l am fed up to the back teeth, of hearing stories like this, and the worst thing is the media dig up all the crap on both parties.

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I understand what you are saying Arthur ,but giving people the right to seriously hurt or kill other people is wrong .Self defense is just that ,if a person feels threatened ,and the law agrees with them ,they have the right to defend themselves or members of their family in a reasonable way ,in other words if a unarmed burglar is stealing stuff and tries to run away when caught but the homeowner goes to his kitchen and gets a big carving knife and kills the burglar that is murder not self defense

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ooh what a surprise.

Source

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No surprise there is there.

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Asked about the stabbing, Mr Clegg said: “The law is very clear: you have every right to defend yourself, your home, your property, your family.
“The law is really unambiguous on that and no one should feel they haven't got a right to do that.”

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Got a feeling there's going to be a big surprise to come yet though.

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What I'm amazed at are the comments left on FB and cards left at the scene from people who knew Jacob saying things like "he wasn't a bad lad really".

I really wonder what their definition of a "bad lad" would be.

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Strange that people thought that he wasn't a bad lad , bearing in mind that he and two friends "beat a man up to a pulp" previously ... He did go to jail for it and was well known to the police as a career burglar.

Maybe his friends and relatives are all a lot worse than him which is why they thought he wasn't a bad lad.

I didn't know that the UK was a baseball playing nation ... Sales of alloy baseball bats have escalated recently to epidemic proportions ... If nobody in the house plays baseball , the bat becomes an offensive weapon.

If you accidentally hit a burglar because he walked into your bat during your indoor baseball practice , would that count as murder or would it be an accident.
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Tsk. We use such things for playing rounders, obviously... ;)

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One man's thug is another man's 'not a bad lad' evidently. Perhaps he was just misunderstood?....

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I think that a Law-abiding citizen stole them.
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Does not supprise me one bit. :)

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My baseball bat is for breaking my windows in case of fire. I have a fear of hammers ;)

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Pity the cretin responsible for this wasn't stabbed to death.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-14984537

:mad:

It takes a special kind of idiot to steal an ambulance, to steal one clearly designed for paediatric use then burn it out instead of dumping it is beyond belief.

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l am absolutely shocked and appalled reading this but l am afraid Derek nothing surprises me anymore and thats why l believe we should give these people old style justice but thats another debate for another day l suspect.

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... And then get caught.

Presumably Strathclyde's finest are reaching for The Book and preparing to throw it at him?

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Oh yes... I'm led to believe the accused is well known to the local plod.

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Bear in mind that the world is slowly but surely converting to Muslim ... Within thirty or forty years the first European country (probably Spain) will be Muslim controlled ... The other countries will then gradually follow suit ... Nothing can stop this now that birth-rates have dropped below the level of sustainability.

The criminals will then get their just deserts ... The removal of a hand will deter people far more than a term in prison ... At my age , unfortunately I won't be here to see it.
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Oh please...give over. Keep the Muslim-conspiracy rants out of this and reserve them for the next Islam-bashing thread that we're a bit overdue for right now.

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Keep taking those meds they will work in the end.

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I think you will find that the Illuminati will stop them first.....;)

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And if the Illuminati don't, the Bilderberg Group will. Or the Lizard People.

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But they are all the same people! :shocked:

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But only on Tuesdays.:erm::shocked:

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We will see ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wqHdR1tDD4
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I'm naturally suspicious of any Youtube clip that starts with the narration "According to research..." ;)

In any case, Nibiru will destroy us all long before that happens.

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And again it looks as though a burglar out on the rob went into the wrong house.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1317905774726A

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When are the **** bags going to learn that your average homeowner has had enough and is fighting back. Its open season on *******s :clap:

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Maybe they are his friends... ?

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Killing is much worse a crime than burgling???

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If a **** bag enter's a house with a weapon and intend to use it then the home owner is fully within his right to defend his own life and if that means the **** bag loses his so be it.

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yeahhh ...but i meant not if like the ******* gets killed after the self defence is over just for revenge!!!

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If it is after the ******* leaves the house and is no longer a threat then yes that is classed as revenge and murder. However that is not what has been happening in the cases in this thread

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okay then id agree with you but i understand why the victim might wanna take revenge

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What if the '*******' ducks and the home-owner's nextdoor neighbour gets shot by accident, should he go down for that?

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u really do make people think...and sued!!!

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I think people defending their homes should be able to use reasonable and justifiable force.

We are told we can use Reasonable and Justifiable force on the doors and in close protection which I believe should be copied into homes.

Justifiable force is something you can explain in court

E.G: I stabbed the intruder with a kitchen knife because he was armed with a knife and made a lunge - That is completely justifiable force and any Judge would throw any charges against the guy defending himself out of the window.

I personally think people should be allowed to keep Stun guns / Tasers inside their homes with a licence as a self defence precaution.

In the case above I have not read the entire story but if the burglar made no threat towards the defenders life, that is NOT justifiable force.

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It is a accident:erm:

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u mean should be treated just like a car accident?

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So is the home owners next door neighbour in the house as well, should the home owner do as some would want and lie down and take one for England like a good pacifist would?

I am sure you have a whole list of if and buts prepared for any answer i have ;)

Far as i am concerned i WILL defend myself and my family from any ******* who is in my HOUSE uninvited and threatens my family i will not just let them get on with it. I am not a coward or a white feather carrying pacifist .

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No i do not, as I think that it should be overlooked as they have entered the property without permission :erm:

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Dam right we should

Agreed

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oh okayy sorry for the shock for the misunderstnading:O

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I wonder if people still admire him now?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...s-factory.html

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Not on your Nelly.:td::td:

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Definatly not

However i do like this outcome and i think the guy is a hero not one of those pacifists white feather types who think you should run away and let them take your stuff

htttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-15211250


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Hmmmm,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-15230951

It gets stranger and stranger. The older guy (making an assumption it's the householder) was a shotgun license holder and had a number of legally held weapons so he must have also had other weapons to go with his 'tomato plants'

The younger one is also being charged with producing cannabis and possession of ammunition when prohibited (so not a stranger to the inside of a prison then :rolleyes: )

A fall out between grower and dealer?

Also are firearms holders not subject to semi-regular inspections of their homes to make sure they have sufficient security for their weapons and are agreeing with the terms of their license or is that only a Scottish thing?