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Has the Indian Call Centre being given the heave ho?
(Since the official forums is down for maintenance again)
Recently got offered a job at Airdrie (Thats in Scotland for the English who didn't know :P) for a tech support line, thought I would do it anyways better than sitting about doing nothing (although I don't need to work). It turned out it was for VM who are grabbing tech support people for nights and the weekend, between the hours of 8am-10pm. The test questions were a laugh on the phone. What is the command for bringing up your IP address? A customer wants 2 AV's running at same time is this acceptable? Name brands of free AV's on the net? What is msconfig? There was a 5th one but it was easy I forgot it :P So yeah do you think India has finally been given the chop it richly deserves? Or is it some sinister plot? EDIT: Forgot the extra info... http://www.s1jobs.com/job/415521067.html Doesn't say its VM but it is.. See that lovely 14.5k DOE salary, well turns out a couple of people who I know who was also offered a spot for the weekend anyway. Was offered 4.5k a year for 15hrs at the weekend. Now if you get the old maths brains out, that is nowhere near the 14.5k that someone like my friends with their experience would accept. It is like they are just trying to get anyone for cheap and the 14.5k is just a tease to get anyone interested but have no intentions of paying it :P Damn if those 5 questions (still forget the other one) are anything to go by, anyone with A+ or even basic PC knowledge can get a job :P |
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That is the Becogent office which has been there for a long time and a few posters on here even work there.
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As far as l am concerned the sooner the Indian call centres get the push the better as they do not make for good communication and understanding of problems with customers.
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However sadly they make economic sense. An Indian IT graduate will work in a centre for less pay than in a UK one and costs are lower.
Yes there is a cost in customer satisfaction, but it is all balanced. Off shoring is a sad fact of life. 118 247 have just been offshored for example. Most European countries have it I'm afraid. France use Morocco for a lot of theirs and they are very good too. |
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There customer service centre is in south shields, I have always had a problem with understanding there accent |
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But, why there when you have a practically newish building in Bellshill >.< |
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I always get through to Airdrie when I call about my VM ADSL service, so it's nothing new. I think historically Bellshill was an NTL call centre and Airdrie was Telewest.
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Yup, Bellshill is mainly cable, whereas Airdrie cover quite a few different things for Virgin
---------- Post added at 10:24 ---------- Previous post was at 10:22 ---------- The job advert is for staff for the Digital Home Support service |
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Reading through the job descrption ie advanced virus removal and
· Advanced knowledge of Operations System troubleshooting from Windows 2000 to Window 7 Professional and Home, (MAC OS a plus) and · Advanced knowledge of setup and troubleshooting processes for hardware devices ranging from MP3 players to home and small business networking apparatus They seem to want a lot of knowledge for £14.500 a year!:shocked: Perhaps that is the standard rate though.:erm: |
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They are definitely still there, just had the misfortune to connect to them; having intermittent broadband disconnections but when the script started.."connect your cable modem directly to your computer" I politely asked if i could call back later
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I have had one agent from the India call centre spoke very clearly but in the main they do not appreciate the problem and just keep repeating themselves which just makes me annoyed, I beleave they need retraining so they appreciate our difficulty to understand them. |
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I personally don't agree Ken. You know what's the killer, main factor when you get off-shore call centres?
VoIP It truly, truly is awful quality. They want to crank the bandwidth up a notch. |
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I just cannot understand a word they say to me on the phone if its india. This issue was increased tonight when my modem failed and i tried to explain that it has died and was making a horrible burnt smell. The first offshore agent i spoke to put down the phone because i asked him to speak up. I then had to redial again only to be cut off at pickup. :mad: Ended up phoning another part of customer service's to get some help and they put me through to a person i could understand. New modem will be in the post for me :) "posting this with my virgin portable broadband" :) |
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Nothing to do with VoIP. Out of interest do you have to wear hearing aids? |
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No, sorry I don't Ken. My Mum did and I can appreciate it's a struggle at times. What I was trying to get at was we use a lot of IP telephony at work and even the quality when phoning the other building (which I can see out of the window!) is abysmal and I struggle to catch what they are saying at times.
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Until they offer you less or try to get you to accept a lesser amount, as said got a couple of friends with their MCSE's and one has the networking qualification also from MS. He was offered pro rata £9250 which is abysmal for his experience and qualifications. I doubt anyone will get the 14.5k pro rata they advertised ever. |
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I had a "disagreement" with a Eon cs agent some time ago, I pointed out that I could not understand her and that they should not use these call centers in India.
She then pointed out that the call centre she was based at was next to J21 of the M1 (1 mile from my house!). She might as well have been in Delhi though as her accent was so strong!!! |
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Anyway.. I hope slowly the OSCS will become lesser.. Of course we are all dreaming.. |
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Not much chance of the OSCS going away, the rumours at the moment are that VM will close the Liverpool Albert dock centre and share the work between Swansea and Offshore, unfortunately VM only really care about bottom line and the Offshore centres are cheap to operate. And for a compny that lost 36,000 Broadband customers in he first qaurter of this year you can see why they need to save.
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Everyone in there knows about it, theres an announcement this week apparently.
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Speak to your union guy, they know all about it.
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Dont understand how you couldnt have heard of it, we were told on Thursday,obviously we were told it was just a rumour, but that came from an IBM manager, I also heard anotherr manager had emailed their team also saying they had heard the rumour but could not confirm or deny it.
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It'll probably end up happening anyway, we all know that if VM had their way they'd send everything customer-facing to India.
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Looks like you get to keep that T-shirt now :-)
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Perhaps you will need a XXXL now then.:)
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:D |
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I couldn't find one with an unhappy face for us :( |
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I fear for my sanity if i have to deal only with the overseas excuse for a call centre,
I have trouble hearing them because i wear a hearing aid, I have trouble understanding them because of there accent, I hate the way they drop the call if you sway from there script or you tell them they are wrong. The last dealings i had with them was when my modem failed "50Meg on a ambit" they sent a new one in the post and it was a 20 Meg. I confirmed with them twice during the call that they understood i was on 50 Meg but they still fecked it up. I had to go via another team to get it fixed and ended up on a shub (which is now working fine :) ) |
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That said this thread is potentially interesting as a place for VM employees threatened by closure of Albert Dock to blow off some steam, so I shall subscribe accordingly. |
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Why do the sales team in Manilla have US imitation accents if they are trying to sell to the UK?
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That's one of my pet hates too - if they're dealing with the UK they should be speaking UK English.
It's because the companies who teach them English are US based. |
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In the past I have preferred the customer service from Manilla based call centres compared to Indian ones, e.g. Be Ltd and T-Mobile. But they haven't tried putting accents on. The VM sales line operatives are just sounding silly though. It really doesn't even sound like I should be talking to these guys re a query, considering I'm from the UK.
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T-Mobile staff in Manilla are also trained in American English. A friend of mine was one of the party for T-Mobile who went over there to train up the managers for when the callcentre opened and they told him they though everyone around the world would prefer to hear American English.
Only problem is in Filipino culture it's normal to use silly nicknames so if you ask for their names they are allowed to say things like "Baby", "Sugar girl" etc |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...nt/9435751.stm I can't see it's a problem though. More a talking point. |
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I'd see it as a problem. Imagine you call them up and you feel the agent is fobbing you off, wasting your time etc.
You ask them for their name and they say "Queen Elizabeth". How sarcastic is that going to sound? It's hardly going to instil confidence in the customer that the agents will take their issues seriously. |
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My cousin works for T-Mobile so I asked him if he has to deal with the Manilla call centre and hhe said he does and hates it because of the fake accent.
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Virgin media will be down scaleing its contact with ibm in the comeing year they have conceeded that overseas call centres although cost effiective are having an overly adverse effect on there nps
it is being reported that all service faults will be uk ctc |
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I had to ring last night and got guy in Liverpool who was veryhelpful but very strong Liverpoolian accent - had to put him on load speaker and getting my husband to translate
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That's real bad news - If (or should I say when) I have to ring if I get my call answered bu an Indian call centre, my heart sinks. I was so pleased to get someone who understands the lingo and doens't have a script. I pretty much rate companies with UK based call centres, however I want 50 MB BB (VM is the only one who has this), want extra tv and do not want to go to Sky, so the choice is very limited - there is no choice!
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It probably just means they are looking for staff to replace the outsourced call centre in Liverpool, and this does not mean less indian call centres, it could mean complete use of indian call centres for sales,Billing,Customer Services and General enquiries as well as first hand faults before being passed to someone who knows what they are doing to free up other resources. As wages increase in india, less companies will use indian call centres. The thing with Hutchison 3G (3 Mobile), Hutchison Telecom owns and runs the actual indian call centres meaning they get away with a lot of fees and running costs whereas Virgin Media would have to pay a company to provide this service. |
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