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Well it's getting closer folks so we're going to need a thread for all the action.
;) After years of relative underperformance, are New Zealand going to go down as just about the biggest chokers in RU history or is home advantage going to work for them? |
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Oh dear, the injuries begin - Danny Care ruled out of the WC....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...n/14561369.stm Who'll replace him I wonder. |
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Not looking forward to it from an England perspective - but then again I felt the same in 2007 and they almost turned it round!!
Where is that 2003 WC highlights dvd again...?;) |
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ESPN Classic was showing England's RWC 2003 matches the other day. Not sure if they're repeating them though. |
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Whilst I'd love England to win, I'd also love to see the team who play the most entertaining rugby triumph. Although England have recently shown they can score lots of tries and play an exciting and expansive game, history shows that they've done best in these competitons when they've played tight, utilised their forwards and ground out results. On such a stage I don't see England wanting to risk chucking the ball around too much to win fans amongst the press corps and imagine they'll play in a controlled manner, hoping to minimise risks and win their games by hook or by crook. From what I've seen so far, however, I don't see Manu Tuilagi settling for anything less than 100% power, speed and aggression on the pitch and maybe his role in galvanising his teamates will determine how England play in spite of what Johnson set outs in the dressing room.
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And here we are :D All the best everyone whichever team you support..
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comfortable if not emphatic win for the All Blacks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugb...n/14813552.stm |
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Yes a comfortable win but its when it gets to the knockout stages then the All Blacks will feel the pressure and will they then live up to their chokers tag.
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2010 stats - played 14, won 13 2009 stats - played 10, won 5 2008 stats - played 16, won 14 With that record, I wish the England team were "chokers"......;) |
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And by the way who is your tip. |
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My tip? My heart is with England, but my brain is with SA or NZ. |
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My tip? Well my heart will be with England but my brain says that the Springboks will win the tournament. |
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The point about NZ is that IMHO they've been the outstanding team in the world for years but have failed to translate all that domination into proportionate World Cup success. I haven't got all the stats but, with the exception of 2003, I don't think England have been all that high in the world rankings over the years yet their World Cup results have been better than they'd suggest.
I have a feeling the Aussies are going to cap a rotten 6 months for NZ. |
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New Zealand's rugby union side are pretty much the text-book definition of chokers in sport. Always the favourite by some distance for the last few world cups but when it comes to the crunch they fail to deliver time after time. |
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New Zealand 41 Tonga 10
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rug...ch-report.html Scotland 34 - 24 Romania http://sport.scotsman.com/sport/Rugb...-34.6833870.jp ---------- Post added at 06:53 ---------- Previous post was at 05:47 ---------- Fiji 49 Namibia 25 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...sounding+style |
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England looking very ponderous and shaky against Argentina. Reminds me of the last world cup. We got to the final then but never really played fluently and I don't see the tournament treating us quite so kindly this time around if there isn't a rapid improvement. Too many penalties could already have cost us dear. Whilst on balance I feel a really tough test is the best way to start a tournament like this, England could easily lose this if they don't get focused and cut out the sloppy mistakes. Johnson will be incandescent I reckon.
Oh and I must say, I just hate the choice of kit. Whose bright idea was that? |
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I agree with kit...idiots to choose black.
England are poor, but no doubt they will improve when they play Scotland |
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Maybe it's all a plan - the runner up in Pool B will play the winner of Pool A which will probably be NZ. Maybe Johnson feels the only way to be credible RWC winners this time out will be to knock NZ out..... :erm: :rolleyes:
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Or, Scotland beat Argentina, then beat England, and England plays with themselves :D
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Well the way this is going l can see the headlines coming now "The bleakest day in English rugby"
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You missed out on the "I dont care about rugby to get excited about it" option :)
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Well l prayed for a miracle and the miracle came but frankly England did not deserve it.
England 13 Argentina 9 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...24/report.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011...entina-england |
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World Cups should be about tough games, not 80-3 thrashings of no hopers and if I had a choice I'd want a really tough opener not a stroll in the park. Argentina gave us that. They are a much improved side and have shown England that if they want to progress in this competition they have a lot of work to do. I haven't seen any of the second half yet but the score doesn't suggest that very much changed during the last 40 mins so this is indeed a wake-up call. Great sides rise to such challenges, so it'll be interesting to see whether or not England react positively or implode under the pressure.
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But the trouble is in the last 2 or 3 years England have been a average side as their game is based too much on attritional rugby and not enough on playing the more expansive side of the game like the top sides do.
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Johnson will want England to be playing the game they need to win not just entertain. If they can do both so much the better but the 2 previous RWC competitions have shown England perform best when they've had to grind out results. IIRC NZ lost a key match against Australia in the recent tri-nations series because they declined to take safe penalty points in favour of tries which never came. Their style is wonderfully attractive for the most part but has sometimes cost them dear when it really matters. The reverse seems to be truer for England - it may not be pretty but it's got them the winners and runners up medals in the last 2 competitions.
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Going into and during the last RWC, nobody gave England a chance - including me - and look what happened. ;) I don't expect that to happen again, however, and as I've already said, they will need to step up to the mark now.
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This is going to be a bloodbath :(
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:D YEP :D
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7-nil down with only 5 minutes gone :(
Watch for SA to record their biggest ever win over Wales.....or anyone.... |
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Hold that thought, Wales are starting a fight back, they must have spotted the sheep :D
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I think the first games are normally either nervous or over exuberant affairs.. Win or lose most teams do settle for the rest of the contest.
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I'm enjoying the Wales game, i wasn't too impressed with Ireland's game
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Come on Wales only 10-9 down now.
Well this is wonderful with Wales leading South Africa by 16-10 now. |
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Nice fightback from Wales.. Now the game really begins :D
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Yesssssssssssssss....I almost feel Welsh, getting so excited :D
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Pity England cannot play like Wales who are playing with skill and passion and are prepared to throw the ball around.
South Africa leading Wales 17-16 now with 15 minutes left. Well Wales deserved something from this game and have gone down bravely 17-16 in the end. |
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"Doing well" and being "brave" does not win World Cups. There is no second, we lost and don't deserve to win the tournament.
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Losing the first pool game also doesn't mean you've lost the tournament ;)
Missed most of the 2nd half as I was to busy stripping my bike down and now getting greasy stains on the thank gawd black keyboard :D |
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Just caught up on this game (recorded) - hell of a game.
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Tonga 20 Canada 25
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...29/report.html ---------- Post added at 10:32 ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 ---------- Scotland 15 Georgia 6 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...+brave+georgia |
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EBE - I think New Zealand or Australia will win it.
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Just gone half time and NZ is 38-0 up against Japan :rolleyes:
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Three quarters way through the match and NZ are now leading 69-7 against Japan.
---------- Post added at 10:43 ---------- Previous post was at 10:24 ---------- Sounds like a cricket score at full time NZ 83 Japan 7 ---------- Post added at 11:34 ---------- Previous post was at 10:43 ---------- http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...cks+beat+japan |
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A excellent performance by South Africa against Fiji
South Africa 49 Fiji 3 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...oint+over+fiji |
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A poor game by Fiji allows SA to romp in a few tries to win 49-3. SA haven't yet had a testing game and won't have until the knock-out stage (even then it's likely to be SA v Ireland).. Shame really as I'd rather watch a hard fought game then watch a white-wash
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Fiji were poor more than SA were good, just that SA were better than when they played Wales imho (for those who don't know, imho = interesting man highlights opinion, for those who do know :D)
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I always ignore the play in the first game.. It's not always indicative of the rest of the tournament due to nerves, bravado..etc
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So far, the two best games I have seen involved the home nations versus the tri-nations
Loving this, though still prefer football :) |
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Come on Ireland who are now leading Australia with 20 minutes to go by 12-6.
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If Ireland win the group then it'll probably be SA v AUS in the knockout stage, not that would be a great game
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Well with just over 10 minutes to go Ireland have now gone 15-6 ahead.
Congratulations Ireland on a wonderful victory Ireland 15 Australia 6 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...into+wallabies |
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l can see England by hook or by crook getting to the semi finals despite their limitations and their antics off the pitch.
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I think Australia used the Kiss method, but misunderstood the acronym...keep it stupid, stupid :D
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Wales 17-10 Samoa http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...ve+samoa+scare ---------- Post added at 08:00 ---------- Previous post was at 06:21 ---------- Well what a shambles England are becoming under Martin Johnson as coach as England are unorganised, indisciplined and unprofessional and yet they lead at half time against Georgia by 17-10. ---------- Post added at 08:53 ---------- Previous post was at 08:00 ---------- Full time score England 41 Georgia 10 ---------- Post added at 09:04 ---------- Previous post was at 08:53 ---------- http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...dogged+georgia |
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France 46 Canada 19 |
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Now that's how South Africa should have played in the Fiji game. Great passing and smart plays.. It's the first time in the contest that we've seen SA play like the Springboks of old.. I'm really looking forward to SA against one of the better opponents which should be better than the AU-Ireland match. :clap: Congrats to Bryan for breaking Joost's tries record :clap: |
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Although Australia won 67-5 against the USA they are showing some signs of instability and definitely no signs of their status as favorites to win the contest.
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Yes for me l still think South Africa are the team to beat as l am still not convinced by the All Blacks or Australia and England have to up there game hugely even to make the semi's.
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We should remember that there are very few 'easy' games these days. The lesser teams have all the incentive to put 110% into their matches against the 'big guns' in order to 'go out with a bang' whilst the top teams need to win well but avoid injuries and match bans to their key players. History has shown it takes a combination of skill, tenacity and a degree of luck to progress to and win a world cup final and I think this time around will be no different. When it comes to the knock out stages, anything can happen.
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I wouldn't take much notice of how a team performs at this stage anyway. You don't want to be playing your best now, it's a long tournament.
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England 27-0 up nearing half time against Romania with Cueto scoring a hat trick of tries.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...es/default.stm Just ever so slightly one way traffic. |
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New Zealand leading France with 20 minutes to go by 29-10
Full time score New Zealand 37 France 17 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...blacks+victory Ten-try England click into gear http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...lick+into+gear |
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Fiji 7 Samoa 27 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...e+against+fiji ---------- Post added at 07:44 ---------- Previous post was at 07:40 ---------- Ireland 62 Russia 12 ---------- Post added at 07:59 ---------- Previous post was at 07:44 ---------- http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...ds+irish+feast |
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I'm trying to think which group of players are stupider. Football players or Rugby players.
Watched football yesterday, and some of the stupid things the footballers were doing, which you knew would result in a freekick/penalty, I shook my head and wondered, "Why do it?". Now watching Scotland vs Argentina, and simarly, two scottish players offside, they must know it will result in a penalty, but they still do it. Maybe it's the excitement factor..I just don't remember being that excited, heck, even sex wouldn't stop me being careful. Maybe it's me :D |
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Scotland 6 Argentina 3 ---------- Post added at 10:17 ---------- Previous post was at 09:24 ---------- Full time score Scotland 12 Argentina 13 |
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Rats! Scotland were winning the last time I looked..:erm:
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Yes l think there were very unlucky to lose and deserved better reward.
Full report Scotland v Argentina http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...es+pumas+point |
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Nah, they deserved to lose. The number of times they had a chance to run the ball, and decided to just try and plough through the middle was disappointing.
Gives me a chance to cheer Ireland and Wales :D |
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:D guess
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Twelve-try Wales overwhelm Namibia
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From what I can see there's only two big games left in the group stages
Ireland v Italy and of course England v Scotland |
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Yes and we must beat the Scots or else my scottish friends will conveniently keep reminding me of how they beat the English.
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