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r94yan 13-07-2011 12:57
TiVo Communication
 
i have heard this thing about TiVo communication what is it?? thanks

scotmac 13-07-2011 13:53
Re: TiVo Communication
 
It could be the possibility of VM allowing you to watch programs you have recorded on lounge TiVo to be watched on an other TiVo somewhere else in the house and vice-versa.

r94yan 13-07-2011 15:01
Re: TiVo Communication
 
wow that is quite immense, do you think it will ever happen

gadge 13-07-2011 17:20
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by r94yan (Post 35272730)
wow that is quite immense, do you think it will ever happen
With tivo yes i was talking too one of the tivo guys in tech support and he said they haven't scratched the surface yet with what this box can do.Its going to be an interesting few months.

denphone 13-07-2011 17:27
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadge (Post 35272800)
With tivo yes i was talking too one of the tivo guys in tech support and he said they haven't scratched the surface yet with what this box can do.Its going to be an interesting few months.
l think some members or customers are underestimating the capabilities of the tivo and what it can do now and what it will be able to do in the future.:)

Charliedontsurf 13-07-2011 17:32
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35272808)
l think some members or customers are underestimating the capabilities of the tivo and what it can do now and what it will be able to do in the future.:)
What it can do now is what it did 10 years ago, it wasn't under estimated then and isn't now.

We had a series 1 tivo i think it was around 10 years ago, I also had a Sky tivo. I'm sure Tivo is new to some of you less "techy" users but its old to a lot of us.

gadge 13-07-2011 17:32
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35272808)
l think some members or customers are underestimating the capabilities of the tivo and what it can do now and what it will be able to do in the future.:)
I was thinking the same;);).

denphone 13-07-2011 17:37
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35272818)
What it can do now is what it did 10 years ago, it wasn't under estimated then and isn't now.

We had a series 1 tivo i think it was around 10 years ago, I also had a Sky tivo.
But Sky dropped the tivo and that was a big mistake as they will find out in the near future.

r94yan 13-07-2011 17:39
Re: TiVo Communication
 
if they can really utilize all off its capabilities it will be good. especially if they can sign up other things for apps...spotify(if free or cheap) would be good when its released.

Charliedontsurf 13-07-2011 17:41
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35272821)
But Sky dropped the tivo and that was a big mistake as they will find out in the near future.
Sky had Tivo in 2002, sky are over it lol. All the things VM customers are doing now sky customers had in 2002 lol.

Stephen 13-07-2011 17:42
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35272823)
Sky had Tivo in 2002, sky are over it lol. All the things VM customers are doing now sky customers had in 2002 lol.
No they didn't at all.

denphone 13-07-2011 17:47
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35272823)
Sky had Tivo in 2002, sky are over it lol. All the things VM customers are doing now sky customers had in 2002 lol.
It seems to me that you enjoy posting negative remarks about Virgin but when someone has a negative view or remark about Sky you seem to become very defensive.:)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35272825)
No they didn't at all.
Thank you Stephen for your words of truth.:)

Charliedontsurf 13-07-2011 17:52
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35272825)
No they didn't at all.
Stephen must I remind you that one should never let the facts get in the way of a good forum debate ;)

<<<<<See them 6 red "rep" blocks over there, ya don't get them by sticking to the facts lol.

Jameseh 13-07-2011 17:56
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35272823)
Sky had Tivo in 2002, sky are over it lol. All the things VM customers are doing now sky customers had in 2002 lol.
So yeah, despite the fact that statement is wrong, lets expand on that statement.

You had record - so does every DVR
You had pause/rewind - so does nearly every DVR

So jealous.

Also its not 'the facts' if your arguement is just reciting that 'fact' which is known to be incorrect.

gadge 13-07-2011 18:00
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35272823)
Sky had Tivo in 2002, sky are over it lol. All the things VM customers are doing now sky customers had in 2002 lol.
I don't recall it and i had sky in 2002 there was no suggestions or thumbs up and down or search for actor and director.

muppetman11 13-07-2011 18:26
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35272808)
l think some members or customers are underestimating the capabilities of the tivo and what it can do now and what it will be able to do in the future.:)
I think many people know watching TIVO recordings on another TIVO box in another room is possible and a very nice feature it is , but its been around for a long while in different forms

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/conten...logy/wholehome

DirecTV use it and by coincidence they use NDS software http://www.nds.com/customers/customer_map.php the same as BSKYB , meaning that very feature is more than likely possible on Sky+HD and SkyHD boxes with a future update.

Charliedontsurf 13-07-2011 18:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35272840)
I think many people know watching TIVO recordings on another TIVO box in another room is possible and a very nice feature it is , but its been around for a long while in different forms

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/conten...logy/wholehome

DirecTV use it and by coincidence they use NDS software http://www.nds.com/customers/customer_map.php the same as BSKYB , meaning that very feature is more than likely possible on Sky+HD and SkyHD boxes with a future update.
Not directly related but topical----

News corp own NDS.

denphone 13-07-2011 18:32
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35272840)
I think many people know watching TIVO recordings on another TIVO box in another room is possible and a very nice feature it is , but its been around for a long while in different forms

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/conten...logy/wholehome

DirecTV use it and by coincidence they use NDS software http://www.nds.com/customers/customer_map.php the same as BSKYB , meaning that very feature is more than likely possible on Sky+HD and SkyHD boxes with a future update.
Well theres no harm in hoping for this.;):);)

muppetman11 13-07-2011 18:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35272843)
Well theres no harm in hoping for this.;):);)
To quote a legend all good things come to those who wait ;) LOL Page 1 http://www.nds.com/pdfs/NDSShowcases...er_13May09.pdf

denphone 13-07-2011 19:12
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35272853)
To quote a legend all good things come to those who wait ;) LOL
And l serve the god of all gods.:):D:D:)

jonandmarkuk 13-07-2011 19:23
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Sky didn't 'have' Tivo back in 2002. Tivo was launched and marketed as a seperate product which could record from Sky, Virgin and TV.
All Sky were supposed to do were to support it and advertise it, they did neither and Tivo USA realised Sky had just screwed them over while behind Tivo's back they developed their own DVR.

TheDon 13-07-2011 19:24
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35272818)
What it can do now is what it did 10 years ago, it wasn't under estimated then and isn't now.

We had a series 1 tivo i think it was around 10 years ago, I also had a Sky tivo. I'm sure Tivo is new to some of you less "techy" users but its old to a lot of us.
If all it can do now is what it did 10 years ago then how come you're making threads asking for advice with it's features rather than making threads telling us what it can do?

Hugh 13-07-2011 20:31
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Arf, arf - "less techy" users........:D

Digital Fanatic 14-07-2011 12:00
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35272818)
What it can do now is what it did 10 years ago, it wasn't under estimated then and isn't now.

We had a series 1 tivo i think it was around 10 years ago, I also had a Sky tivo. I'm sure Tivo is new to some of you less "techy" users but its old to a lot of us.
Wow, I didn't realise TiVo 10 years ago was HD, had 3 tuners (ability to record 3 programmes at any one time), Apps, remote record, HD UI, Android/iPhone Apps, plus loads more to come ;) .... I must have been asleep back then :rolleyes:

BenJSmyth 14-07-2011 14:59
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35272818)
What it can do now is what it did 10 years ago, it wasn't under estimated then and isn't now.

We had a series 1 tivo i think it was around 10 years ago, I also had a Sky tivo. I'm sure Tivo is new to some of you less "techy" users but its old to a lot of us.
I have a feeling it might be here but I don't want to go into the reasons why for fear of alienating "some of you less techy users".

Shame on you DF for taking such a risk in your last post ;)

nicko 14-07-2011 15:58
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadge (Post 35272837)
I don't recall it and i had sky in 2002 there was no suggestions or thumbs up and down or search for actor and director.

It did do all that, I had one of them back then.

It was a stand alone hard disk recorder though NOT a combined receiver/recorder like they are now, it would connect to your digibox by scart lead like a VHS VCR did and control the digibox with an infra red eye.

muppetman11 14-07-2011 16:19
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotmac (Post 35272704)
It could be the possibility of VM allowing you to watch programs you have recorded on lounge TiVo to be watched on an other TiVo somewhere else in the house and vice-versa.
Would the procedure work like this ?

http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/161

scotmac 14-07-2011 16:38
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35273170)
Would the procedure work like this ?

http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/161
Thanks I knew I had seen it somewhere , all we need is VM to enable it. :)

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 16:45
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35273170)
Would the procedure work like this ?

http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/161
Does the VM Tivo work like that?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by scotmac (Post 35273181)
Thanks I knew I had seen it somewhere , all we need is VM to enable it. :)
An get Sky's permission to use there channels with multiroom streaming.

scotmac 14-07-2011 16:52
Re: TiVo Communication
 
It`s for recorded programs so you know what Sky can do with their permission:PP:

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 16:57
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scotmac (Post 35273188)
It`s for recorded programs so you know what Sky can do with their permission:PP:
If only it was that simple,

Hugh 14-07-2011 16:59
Re: TiVo Communication
 
How could they tell?

r94yan 14-07-2011 17:15
Re: TiVo Communication
 
would they need sky's permission to do this though?

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 17:22
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by r94yan (Post 35273202)
would they need sky's permission to do this though?
Yes, they even need skys permision to show skys channels whilst users are browsing the full epg via Tivo.

gadge 14-07-2011 17:27
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273205)
Yes, they even need skys permision to show skys channels whilst users are browsing the full epg via Tivo.
Which from what i can gather will be rectified in the next couple off months or so.

r94yan 14-07-2011 17:30
Re: TiVo Communication
 
so basically this feature will not happen until sky do it first on their boxes

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 17:34
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by r94yan (Post 35273210)
so basically this feature will not happen until sky do it first on their boxes
They can still show ESPN ect. None sky owned channels, or channels that don't have a deal with sky.

r94yan 14-07-2011 17:37
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273211)
They can still show ESPN ect. None sky owned channels, or channels that don't have a deal with sky.
yh true

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 17:40
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadge (Post 35273208)
Which from what i can gather will be rectified in the next couple off months or so.

Source?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by r94yan (Post 35273213)
yh true
An to be fair before this becomes fact, the only source we have that VM can't stream recorded Sky content between Tivo's is.........well.............me

An my track record is unreliable at best.

r94yan 14-07-2011 17:46
Re: TiVo Communication
 
it makes sense that virgin would not go all out with the TiVo features. they will slowly introduce new features to keep it fresh

davidthornton 14-07-2011 18:32
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273214)
Source?

He might be making an assumption based on everything going on in the news relating to Murdoch. I won't be surprised to see the anti-competative arguement resurfacing based on what a Labour MP said on Sky News earlier today.

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 18:39
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35273272)

He might be making an assumption based on everything going on in the news relating to Murdoch. I won't be surprised to see the anti-competative arguement resurfacing based on what a Labour MP said on Sky News earlier today.
Ha so murdoch is to blame if Virginmedia cant stream sky content via its Tivo. love it lololol.

So when do sky get access to VIRGINMEDIAS broadband network.

denphone 14-07-2011 18:45
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273278)
Ha so murdoch is to blame if Virginmedia cant stream sky content via its Tivo. love it lololol.

So when do sky get access to VIRGINMEDIAS broadband network.
Never at thats the way it should be.

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 19:37
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35273287)
Never at thats the way it should be.
So why are VM allowed Sky channels?

Both companys built there own infrastructure, both companys have been so deep in debt they faced bankruptcy but yet only Sky has to share its resources?

To be fair that doesn't make sense.

denphone 14-07-2011 19:40
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273341)
So why are VM allowed Sky channels?

Both companys built there own infrastructure, both companys have been so deep in debt they faced bankruptcy but yet only Sky has to share its resources?

To be fair that doesn't make sense.

Because they have signed carriage agreements with them and also because of Ofcoms intervention which was because of Skys distorted market power.

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 19:45
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35273347)
Because they have signed carriage agreements with them and also because of Ofcoms intervention which was because of Skys distorted market power.
So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas, can have access to content sky fought hard to get, but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets?

Digital Fanatic 14-07-2011 19:46
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273214)
Source?

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.
This is true, VM put a list of things to happen on the Community Forum a while back, Sky have changed their commercial agreement, to allow VM's TiVo to show it's programmes in the video window within the EPG.

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 19:47
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35273361)
This is true, VM put a list of things to happen on the Community Forum a while back, Sky have changed their commercial agreement, to allow VM's TiVo to show it's programmes in the video window within the EPG.
So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas, can have access to content sky fought hard to get, but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets?

Digital Fanatic 14-07-2011 19:49
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273363)
So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas, can have access to content sky fought hard to get, but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets?
What are you talking about? :confused: I'm referring to post #35, to which you had asked for a source.

denphone 14-07-2011 19:50
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35273365)
What are you talking about? :confused:
Nothing thats adds anything useful to the discussion.

Digital Fanatic 14-07-2011 19:52
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35273368)
Nothing thats adds anything useful to the discussion.
indeed :)

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 19:59
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Can anyone answer

So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas, can have access to content sky fought hard to get, but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets.why?

zantarous 14-07-2011 20:03
Re: TiVo Communication
 
What do you mean fought hard to get? Sky doesn't just give its content away, VM, BT and Talk Talk pay for that content.

BT was built by the tax payer VM was built using private money, they haven't even paid back the initial investment.

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 20:04
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35273381)
What do you mean fought hard to get? Sky doesn't just give its content away, VM, BT and Talk Talk pay for that content.

BT was built by the tax payer VM was built using private money, they haven't even paid back the initial investment.
Sky was built with private money but its still FORCED to give VM its content. Why isnt VM forced to open its network. In a fair world sky keeps its channels OFF virginmedia and VM keeps its network closed.

davidthornton 14-07-2011 20:16
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273378)
Can anyone answer
Quote:
So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas
It's OpenReach's network, owned by BT Group. Originally a state monopoly. Any qualifying telecom company can access it, provided they meet the criteria. That includes BT Retail, Sky, Virgin Media, IDnet telecom, TalkTalk and many others. All of these, if they meet the criteria, can offer many Wholesale products offered by OpenReach including ADSL, LLU ADSL, FTTC and telephony.

Quote:
can have access to content sky fought hard to get
Ask OFCOM and the Competition Commision. Sky don't have to supply all their content to anyone. They choose to supply some of it because it makes commercial sense to sell it via multiple sources. They don't currently offer Sky Atlantic but in the future they may well do.

Quote:
but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets.why?
Virgin Media doesn't have a monopoly on anything. Here's an article about Sky Sports appearing on BT Vision. Sky have the monopoly on some sport so they are prevented from only selling it via their own delivery system (i.e. Sky Digital Satellite TV) because if they weren't they could use their sports acquistions as a hook to get more customers to sign up for their delivery system. OFCOM consider it sensible for there to be multiple viable delivery systems of media in the UK.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273383)
Sky was built with private money but its still FORCED to give VM its content. Why isnt VM forced to open its network. In a fair world sky keeps its channels OFF virginmedia and VM keeps its network closed.
Sky isn't forced to sell (i.e. not give) all of its content to anyone it doesn't wish to sell it to. Sky Atlantic is an example. However Sky doesn't own some content (e.g. Premiership Football). It simply has the rights to air it and the conditions of anyone owning those rights is that it has to sell it to delivery platforms, including ones it doesn't own, at a fair price. It doesn't have to sell its movie channels to Virgin Media but it choses to do so because it make commercial sense.

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 20:18
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35273390)
It's OpenReach's network, owned by BT Group. Originally a state monopoly. Any qualifying telecom company can access it, provided they meet the criteria. That includes BT Retail, Sky, Virgin Media, IDnet telecom, TalkTalk and many others. All of these, if they meet the criteria, can offer many Wholesale products offered by OpenReach including ADSL, LLU ADSL, FTTC and telephony.

Ask OFCOM and the Competition Commision. Sky don't have to supply all their content to anyone. They chose to supply some of it because it makes commercial sense to sell it via multiple sources. They don't currently offer Sky Atlantic but in the future they may well do.

Virgin Media doesn't have a monopoly on anything. Here's an article about Sky Sports appearing on BT Vision. Sky have the monopoly on some sport so they are prevented from only selling it via their own delivery system (i.e. Sky Digital Satellite TV) because if they weren't they could use their sports acquistions as a hook to get more customers to sign up for their delivery system. OFCOM consider it sensible for there to be multiple viable delivery systems of media in the UK.

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Sky isn't forced to sell (i.e. not give) all of its content to anyone it doesn't wish to sell it to. Sky Atlantic is an example. However Sky doesn't own some content (e.g. Premiership Football). It simply has the rights to air it and the conditions of anyone owning those rights is that it has to sell it to delivery platforms, including ones it doesn't own, at a fair price. It doesn't have to sell its movie channels to Virgin Media but it choses to do so because it make commercial sense.
Like I said why doesnt Virginmedia allow sky access to its network.

denphone 14-07-2011 20:23
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273397)
Like I said why doesnt Virginmedia allow sky access to its network.
Because it is a network that has been paid for out of its own money and Sky do not own their own broadband network but rents it.

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 20:27
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35273400)
Because it is a network that has been paid for out of its own money and Sky do not own their own broadband network but rents it.
So why cant sky rent VM's network space?

davidthornton 14-07-2011 20:31
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273397)
Like I said why doesnt Virginmedia allow sky access to its network.
Virgin Media is not obliged to allow anyone to access it's telecom and broadband network because it is not a monopoly. OpenReach is obliged to offer service, through a telecom provider, to anyone in the UK at a fair price. The network has a monopoly on service. That is why OpenReach and BT Retail were seperated and the OpenReach network was opened up to other telecom providers. The network was originally funded largely by the tax payer.

Virgin Media, in contrast, has built a telecoms network, funded privately, in selected regions of the UK. It is not obliged to offer service to anyone within those areas because it is not a monopoly unlike OpenReach. It doesn't offer any other telecoms company access to its telecom network because OFCOM doesn't mandate that it must. The same applies to Kingston Communications in Hull.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273403)
So why cant sky rent VM's network space?
OFCOM doesn't oblige them to because Virgin Media built the network privately. BSkyB haven't built a telecom network, although they purchased Easynet which is a telecoms company. Sky could offer FTTC via OpenReach's FTTC wholesale product in areas where it is available, as many other ISPs also do. BT Retail offer a product branded as Infinity which is just one offering of FTTC (but often confused as the only solution).

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 20:31
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35273404)
Virgin Media is not obliged to allow anyone to access it's telecom and broadband network because it is not a monopoly. OpenReach is obliged to offer service, through a telecom provider, to anyone in the UK at a fair price. The network has a monopoly on service. That is why OpenReach and BT Retail were seperated and the OpenReach network was opened up to other telecom providers. The network was originally funded largely by the tax payer.

Virgin Media, in contrast, has built a telecoms network, funded privately, in selected regions of the UK. It is not obliged to offer service to anyone within those areas because it is not a monopoly unlike OpenReach. It doesn't offer any other telecoms company access to its telecom network because OFCOM doesn't mandate that it must. The same applies to Kingston Communications in Hull.
Like has been said Sky are not obliged to offer VM all there channels but they do as they understand its good for customers either VM or sky so they do it.

Its a shame VM dont have the same mentallity as Sky and open up there network.

muppetman11 14-07-2011 20:36
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273408)
Like has been said Sky are not obliged to offer VM all there channels but they do as they understand its good for customers either VM or sky so they do it.

Its a shame VM dont have the same mentallity as Sky and open up there network.
Not strictly true , VM gained access to the Sky HD channels as part of the VMTV channel sale and the Sky Sports channels were referred to OFCOM. Weres Sky Sports 3 and 4 HD and Sky Atlantic.

Colin_G 14-07-2011 20:37
Re: TiVo Communication
 
am i correct in saying that us virgin customers still have to pay sky for there channels via virgin therefore sky coin a good bit of cash out the deal really.

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 20:39
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35273413)
Not strictly true , VM gained access to the Sky HD channels as part of the VMTV channel sale and the Sky Sports channels were referred to OFCOM. Weres Sky Sports 3 and 4 HD and Sky Atlantic.
Sky ATLANTIC-HD is on channel 108 and Skysports 3&4HD are on channels 403/404 lol.

davidthornton 14-07-2011 20:41
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273408)
Like has been said Sky are not obliged to offer VM all there channels but they do as they understand its good for customers either VM or sky so they do it.

Its a shame VM dont have the same mentallity as Sky and open up there network.
There's a difference between channels, which broadcast content, and a broadband network. Virgin used to own a number of television channels before they sold them to BSkyB. Prior to that they were resold through Sky's television packages. Virgin could have chosen to restrict Bravo, for example, and only offered it through the Virgin Media cable TV platform. Some channels that are available on Sky's TV platform aren't available on Virgin Media's.

There probably wouldn't be any commercial benefit of Virgin Media deciding to open up their broadband network to anyone else, for anyone. Sky can still offer multiple broadband solutions anywhere Virgin Media can, through OpenReach.

muppetman11 14-07-2011 20:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273418)
Sky ATLANTIC-HD is on channel 108 and Skysports 3&4HD are on channels 403/404 lol.
Great constructive reply :D

davidthornton 14-07-2011 20:43
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin_G (Post 35273414)
am i correct in saying that us virgin customers still have to pay sky for there channels via virgin therefore sky coin a good bit of cash out the deal really.
Of course Sky get paid for their channels by Virgin Media. They don't have to give them to Virgin Media for free, allowing Virgin Media to reap 100% of the reward for that. :)

Hugh 14-07-2011 20:44
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Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273418)
Sky ATLANTIC-HD is on channel 108 and Skysports 3&4HD are on channels 403/404 lol.
You are getting very close to being a troll - please moderate your behaviour.

davidthornton 14-07-2011 20:44
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273418)
Sky ATLANTIC-HD is on channel 108 and Skysports 3&4HD are on channels 403/404 lol.
Clearly he meant "where on Virgin Media's platform".

LexDiamond 14-07-2011 20:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273383)
Sky was built with private money but its still FORCED to give VM its content. Why isnt VM forced to open its network. In a fair world sky keeps its channels OFF virginmedia and VM keeps its network closed.
Simple - there are many BB providers. There is only one provider of Sky channels.

VM do not have a monopoly on BB. Therefore no enquiry by regulators is required in regards to VM's own assets.

Charliedontsurf 14-07-2011 20:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35273422)
Of course Sky get paid for their channels by Virgin Media. They don't have to give them to Virgin Media for free, allowing Virgin Media to reap 100% of the reward for that. :)
Just clicked th elink in your sig, when I had vm 100mb I was getting around 102mb and a ping of 9ms, you may have a problem.

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Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35273424)
Clearly he meant "where on Virgin Media's platform".
OH IN THAT CASE.

Virgin dont have them channels.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35273423)
You are getting very close to being a troll - please moderate your behaviour.

Ban me or be quiet,PUBLIC MODERATION OF INDIVIDUAL IS CHILDISH.

Admin Edit: Looks like you got your wish!

davidthornton 14-07-2011 20:49
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273426)
Just clicked th elink in your sig, when I had vm 100mb I was getting around 102mb and a ping of 9ms, you may have a problem.


It's just a speedtest, to indicate that near 100Mbit is possible via Wi-Fi, and not meant to be a indication of constant and overall performance. :)
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OH IN THAT CASE.

Virgin dont have them channels.
Therefore, obviously, Sky don't offer all of their channels to Virgin Media at the moment.

GrimUpNorth 14-07-2011 21:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273403)
So why cant sky rent VM's network space?
If memory serves, didn't AOL offer their services over the NTL infrasturcture a number of years ago?

I'm sure if the price was right VM would happily take money from Sky, and then introduce some BB products 'exclusive' to VM customers. Imagine how all the Sky fanboys would cry foul then...

Cheers
Grim

davidthornton 14-07-2011 21:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35273453)
If memory serves, didn't AOL offer their services over the NTL infrasturcture a number of years ago?
Yes, it seems they did. Here's one article about it.

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I'm sure if the price was right VM would happily take money from Sky, and then introduce some BB products 'exclusive' to VM customers. Imagine how all the Sky fanboys would cry foul then...
Yes, they probably would. However Sky possibly wouldn't do it, through fear of enticing their customers to switch TV product as well (i.e. from Sky TV via digital satellite to Virgin Media cable TV). AOL didn't have anything to lose and, at the time, saw a value in their online content therefore bundleing with as many broadband connections as possible made commercial sense.

alwaysabear 14-07-2011 21:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35273453)
If memory serves, didn't AOL offer their services over the NTL infrasturcture a number of years ago?

I'm sure if the price was right VM would happily take money from Sky, and then introduce some BB products 'exclusive' to VM customers. Imagine how all the Sky fanboys would cry foul then...

Cheers
Grim
I doubt VM have the capacity to cope with Sky BB customers as there are already contention issues on the network.

sollp 14-07-2011 21:25
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Is it me or is everyone feeding one person's ego,(not deliberately of course) in this forum of late.

devilincarnate 14-07-2011 21:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sollp (Post 35273458)
Is it me or is everyone feeding one person's ego,(not deliberately of course) in this forum of late.
Yes it seems that way?

davidthornton 14-07-2011 21:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35273457)
I doubt VM have the capacity to cope with Sky BB customers as there are already contention issues on the network.
That'd depend on the percentage of them that would actively switch their broadband to a Sky branded version of Virgin Media broadband out of the areas that are Virgin Media capable. Many might be happy with the speed they get via ADSL already. Of course it won't happen because Sky would fear people switch TV as well, which is much more valuable to them than Sky Broadband.

denphone 14-07-2011 21:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35273466)
That'd depend on the percentage of them that would actively switch their broadband to a Sky branded version of Virgin Media broadband out of the areas that are Virgin Media capable. Many might be happy with the speed they get via ADSL already. Of course it won't happen because Sky would fear people switch TV as well, which is much more valuable to them than Sky Broadband.
Exactly and remember Sky subsidise quite a lot of their broadband customers to stop them defecting from their Sky tv packages.

Mick 14-07-2011 22:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273426)



Ban me or be quiet
Had enough of you already. A ban it is. Now get off our board.

Paul 15-07-2011 13:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf (Post 35273426)
Ban me or be quiet,PUBLIC MODERATION OF INDIVIDUAL IS CHILDISH.
What a complete muppet you turned out to be. We are more than happy to accomodate you. BANNED.

BenJSmyth 15-07-2011 18:44
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Thank god for that. I know a forum is supposed to be for discussion and differing opinions but that guy had issues. But what actually stops him from signing up under a different username??

devilincarnate 15-07-2011 18:46
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Originally Posted by BenJSmyth (Post 35273823)
Thank god for that. I know a forum is supposed to be for discussion and differing opinions but that guy had issues. But what actually stops him from signing up under a different username??
Try it and see?

Sirius 15-07-2011 18:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenJSmyth (Post 35273823)
Thank god for that. I know a forum is supposed to be for discussion and differing opinions but that guy had issues. But what actually stops him from signing up under a different username??
Bet i know where he has gone :LOL:

**********Edit***********

Yep just looked and he is a member, I await his deluge of anti cable forum posts :LOL:


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denphone 15-07-2011 18:50
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35273826)
Bet i know where he as gone :LOL:
Lets hope he is gone for good as l know that l am opinionated but this guy was a disgrace in every way possible especially to other well known and respected forum members.

BenJSmyth 15-07-2011 18:53
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35273828)
Lets hope he is gone for good as l know that l am opinionated but this guy was a disgrace in every way possible especially to other well known and respected forum members.
Agreed! Ooh, this is my 400th post :angel:

muppetman11 15-07-2011 19:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35273828)
Lets hope he is gone for good as l know that l am opinionated but this guy was a disgrace in every way possible especially to other well known and respected forum members.
Am I the next Sky boy , you have in the crosshairs Den LOL :D

denphone 15-07-2011 19:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35273832)
Am I the next Sky boy , you have in the crosshairs Den LOL :D
No Muppetman as you are one of the legends and as such deserve full respect for your strong but fair opinions even though we disagree on one or two things.:):)

muppetman11 15-07-2011 19:15
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35273837)
No Muppetman as you are one of the legends and as such deserve full respect for your strong but fair opinions even though we disagree on one or two things.:):)
Thanks my master :D Back on topic , is there any timeframe for this multiroom TIVO function allowing playback on another TIVO box as that will be a big selling point , it will also help with selling multiroom subs.

denphone 15-07-2011 19:43
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35273840)
Thanks my master :D Back on topic , is there any timeframe for this multiroom TIVO function allowing playback on another TIVO box as that will be a big selling point , it will also help with selling multiroom subs.
Well one would hope that this will come in the next 6 to 12 months but other forum members might give us more up to date information.

BenJSmyth 15-07-2011 20:21
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This would be a very useful feature. We have two 1TB boxes and it would be nice if when we set a recording on one then it would be available on the other as well as the recordings.

denphone 15-07-2011 20:25
Re: TiVo Communication
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenJSmyth (Post 35273864)
This would be a very useful feature. We have two 1TB boxes and it would be nice if when we set a recording on one then it would be available on the other as well as the recordings.
Yes l totally agree that it would be a excellent addition to have on our tivo box or boxes.

davidthornton 15-07-2011 23:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35273840)
Thanks my master :D Back on topic , is there any timeframe for this multiroom TIVO function allowing playback on another TIVO box as that will be a big selling point , it will also help with selling multiroom subs.
I wish they'd hurry up with it. I've been wanting it since I first remember reading about the possibility within a PVR which probably wasn't many years after the launch of the original UK TiVo box. Things take far too long!:mad:

Jameseh 15-07-2011 23:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35273940)
I wish they'd hurry up with it. I've been wanting it since I first remember reading about the possibility within a PVR which probably wasn't many years after the launch of the original UK TiVo box. Things take far too long!:mad:
Its been released a month, calm down. What you read was a concept, nothing like this was really viable years ago.

Anyway, it looks like you have (and afford) every service on god's earth, how come you haven't invested in a Slingbox?

davidthornton 16-07-2011 00:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35273945)
Its been released a month, calm down. What you read was a concept, nothing like this was really viable years ago.
It's so long ago that I remember first reading about it that I've forgotten the details. It was back in the days when I first took an interest in PVR's, and most likely sometime between 2002 and 2005. I think ReplayTV had rebranded under replay.com around the same time because originally they weren't called that or had a different domain name. Anyway, a very long time ago.

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Anyway, it looks like you have (and afford) every service on god's earth, how come you haven't invested in a Slingbox?
I have several of the original slingboxes launched in the UK but I didn't know it was possible to stream from one PVR to another TV using one. After thinking about it I am sure it must be, but not without other equipment on the receiving end? I'll possibly look to drop Sky at some point when Sky News HD and a few other channels make it over to Virgin Media.


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