Mac OS X Lion
 

Means nothing to me, as I don't have a Mac, but I thought I may as well start a thread about the other WWDC news...


Lion is coming in July, via the Mac App Store only, for $29.99

http://www.apple.com/macosx/


Features: http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html

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Interesting ... The low price suggests what I've suspected for some time now - that there actually isn't very much new in Lion other than the iPad-like app launcher and the front-and-centre placement of the Mac App Store.

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The world's most advanced desktop OS? Seems a bit far-fetched to me...

$30 isn't a bad price, but wtf do I need to upgrade from 10.5 to show Leopard (at a cost of £26) to upgrade to Lion. Thieving gits. :mad:

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It says it's got '250 new features', which indeed sounds like not much change at all...

Most likely just some new eye candy to keep the fanboys happy.

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Looks nice. I wasn't sure if I was going to bother, but the UK price is only £20.99 so I think I'll go for it when it's available.

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They are only selling Lion through the Mac App Store, and you can only get the Mac App Store app in later versions of Snow Leopard.

You can get Snow Leopard upgrade discs cheap on eBay.

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Like I said: thieving gits. Is there any reason why the Mac App store can't be made available to 10.5 or earlier users?

Hardly. £25 appears to be the going 'buy it now' rate. Not that I'm particularly keen on getting started with fleabay anyway. :erm:

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Even so, 46 quid isn't a bad price to upgrade 2 versions, considering that a single version upgrade used to be 130 quid.

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Apple do have a rather generous definition of "Feature". They are apparently counting disappearing scroll bars and the same physics based scrolling used on iOS devices as features.

My own view? A few nice things. I find it funny that they are suddenly hyping full screen apps as the next big thing as the Amiga had them in mid 80s..

My main concern is that if we go for this at work, I am going to have to find a way of distributing it that doesn't involve up to 100 computers each downloading 4 gig of data from Apple. I have a nice method at the moment, but it involves setting up one computer with OSX and some configuration options, then taking a disk image of it. This might still be possible, but they mentioned authorised computers downloading it. Not sure how Lion will handle authorising multiple computers using one disk image.

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It may be a relatively good deal historically, but I still object to being made to pay for every minor upgrade (which they are really). It's still thieving, though perhaps not on the grand scale Apple has form for.

I think I'll pass...

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TBH I would very much recommend upgrading at least as far as Snow Leopard. There were a lot of performance tweaks in that version that should make your Mac leaner and faster - I had about 10GB more space on my hard drive once I'd done it.

There are also an increasing number of applications out there that have Snow Leopard as the base version of the OS in order to work - it seems to have been some sort of watershed release in the same way that Panther (10.3) was.

You need Snow Leopard for Firefox v4, and also for the Ikea Kitchen Planner plugin, which I was having much fun with last night. :D

For me though, the primary motivation for getting Lion is that I use MobileMe - actually, have used DotMac since launch, long before Apple decided to start charging for it. MobileMe is getting canned this time next year and the only way to keep my email addresses and other services is to move them to iCloud. And the only way to use iCloud on a Mac will be to have it running Lion.

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They've been saying that since 10.0

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I don't think that entirely accurate. There are a number of new features, the most interesting ones not being the app launcher or mission control etc. I think the two interesting additions are Resume, which starts your computer in the exact state it was prior to a restart, and Versions/Auto save which saves your work automatically and detects revisions allowing you the cycle back though the state of a document. These features are exposed to developers so every app can support Versions quite easily.

There a bunch of smaller updates as well. FileVault has been improved with greater encryption, application sandboxing etc. Developers can use Push Notifications (you can be alerted about small bits of data without the app running. I.e Calendar appointments, e-mails, someone tweeted you, Arsenal have just scored. Whatever the developer wants) and cloud (keep all your app data in sync, again for whichever app and purpose).

It's more substantial that Snow Leopard was.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html

Developer Features:

http://developer.apple.com/technolog...whats-new.html

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Not quite - they've been saying "the world's most advanced OS". It has subtly shifted to become "desktop OS" only recently, presumably because they want it to share the "most advanced" claim with iOS.

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Hm. Possibly. I must say that I've been seeing the pizza a lot lately. I'd also like to upgrade to a new version of Bootcamp. It must have improved over what I'm running...

I'm typing this in FF 4.01, on OS 10.5.8 :)

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Ah, must have been Leopard rather than Snow Leopard ... all these big cats get so confusing :spin: :D

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Pizza?? Its a beachball isn't it :D

I am on Snow Leopard just now. Not sure about Lion yet. Apple seem to be turning OSX into iOS bit by bit.

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It looks like Lion is going to be 64-bit only (although it'll no doubt run 32-bit apps just fine), as it requires a minimum of a Core 2 Duo CPU, so those with one of the Core Solo or Core Duo machines are out of luck.

http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/how-to-buy/

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Ermm no. It's definitely a pizza :D

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Mmm. No Lion for me then ... My mac's a regular core duo.

Confused about iCloud though - if I use my iPad to sign up to it, how can it not continue to provide email service to a Mac running Snow Leopard? It's just IMAP mail when all's said and done. They have also only just shifted iCal over to CalDAV which is supposed to be standards based. Or are they going to dump standards and devise something new to try to tie people in?

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Mine is a Core 2 Duo. Can we pre order it?

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No, you can't. No need to anyway, as Lion is download-only. Make sure you have Snow Leopard up to date, then have a look in your Dock. You should see the App Store icon; click it to go to the Mac App Store once Lion is released and download it from there.

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Yep got 10.6.7 at the mo, with the app store sitting in my dock. Seems a bit strange it only listed a processor compatibility

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All the Mac models that have a compatible processor have the specs required to run Lion.

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Just a thought. Say if I install it, then need to reformat for whatever reason, will I need to pay to download it a second time?

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That is one of many questions left unanswered by Apple's annoucement this week.

I would suspect not, because it seems to me that iCloud is going to have some sort of ability to remember what you have bought and give you repeat access to it.

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http://images.apple.com/macosx/whats...snew_title.png

Seems right for OS X releases, some unfortunate wording.

Sorry cheap shot :p:

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The App Store remembers your purchases, much like the iOS App Store, and you can download purchased applications as many times as you wish. :)

iCloud adds this ability to iTunes and the ability to download purchased applications to any other compatible device automatically. As well as syncing documents made with iWork and settings/file/data from any other application in which the developer has implemented the functionality.

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Apparently the developer previews of Lion (via the App Store) download a disk image with the installer on. It's not known yet whether you can burn the disk image as a bootable DVD but you should at least be able to back it up to external media for re-installation.

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Looks like you can create a bootable DVD or USB dongle from the downloaded Lion installer.

http://holgr.com/blog/2011/02/creati...0-7-lion-disc/

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if lion is king of the jungle, what will be next ?

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Some sort of convergence between iOS and OSX, perhaps.

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Yes, this is a bit worrying for some, macs are very popular among particle physicists for their native use of gnu compilers yet being easier and having better office software than linux.

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What about microsoft with windows 7? LOL

'HAII GAIIZ WE ADDED A NEW 'TASKBAR' AT THE BOTTOM THATS LIKE A DOCK BUT ITS TOTALLY NOT THE SAME HURHUR HONESSST; now give us £120'

LOL

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I have an i7 Imac but intend to stick with Snow Leopard.

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"Mac OS X Lion Will Have Restart to Safari Browser-Only Mode Similar to Google Chrome OS"

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Why not just have a switch to guest account button?

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Because you might want to restrict the apps they have access to without wishing to spend time specifying what's allowed and what's not via system preferences.

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Released tomorrow: http://www.macstories.net/news/apple...ming-tomorrow/

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I am on Virginmedia adsl and I only get 3meg where I live So I won't be downloading a 4gig file for the upgrdade.

There are some broadband packages that only have a low monthly bandwidth, if they download the 4gig file that could be their monthly limit gone unless they pay extra for the rest of the month.

What about those that don't have an internet connection at all, there must be some around.

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Anyone know what time in the UK it will be released?

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You will not need to pay for it again, infact you can download it to any Mac as long as your logged into your iTunes account. There's 3 Macs in my household and it'll only cost me £29.99 for all 3...

OS X Lion should be on the app store at 05:30 today (Wednesday), theres a migration assistant ready for download in the software updates. Thats if you dont want to lose any of your files, if your doing a clean install dont bother downloading it...

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It's 8:30am Eastern Time (USA), I believe that equates to 05:30pm UK time.

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Okie Dokie, thanks very much :)

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I believe you can go to an Apple store (Thats the physical one on the high street) and download it from there..

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Its on there now :)

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I wondered if you co do that.

My nearest Apple store is 14 miles away.

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i have upgraded, but the installer for it has disappeared, and I was going to make a installer Bootable USB Drive. :mad:

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Just spoke to apple, who were very helpful, what the installer does is creates a recovery partition on your HDD, and you can access this on startup by holding down CMD and R together to then access your utilities and Re install the OS

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Have you tested this? As from previous experiences I trust apple CS as far as I can throw them...

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I was expecting to pay £29.99, nice that it's only £20:99....

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Yes, I can confirm that it works, though for me, I had it sitting there over an hour before installation would continue. (think my internet connection is to blame due to bad weather)

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In case anyone hasn't found them yet, Lion adds a whole load of new voices to the built-in speech (although the system has to download any new ones you select initially). Go to System Preferences->Speech, click on the System Voice drop-down menu and select Customize, once you've selected the ones you want to add they'll be downloaded via Software Update..

There are quite a lot of foreign-language voices, some better quality than others, and several regional English voices including English, Scottish, Irish, Australian and South African (no Welsh though, sorry Russ).

http://osxdaily.com/2011/05/15/mac-o...oices-samples/

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Well I for one love Lion, :erm:

Apple as always been good to work with, and very stable, Lion improves this, all my macs now have Lion on so the £20.99 I paid is well worth it for me

Gestures are fantastic if like me you use a Trackpad (I stopped using a mouse some time ago)

I have "Mail" "Calendar" "Safari" and "Contacts" all running permanently in full screen, swiping between them is seamless, so easy

I suppose you have to understand a Mac to fully appreciate this new upgrade it is a major one, I work all day on Documents of various kinds

Its so nice not to have to worry about saving them at incremental stages, as Lion will do this in the background, even showing you past edits just in case you wanted to change back

The reader is fantastic, if you are reading a news story on say the" Daily Mail",one tap and all the adverts a have gone

And you have a PDF doc, with the article you want to read ad free, you can even compile a reader list and the articles will be saved for you to read later

So I like the update, but then again I like all things Apple, and have always be willing to pay for the Apple Quality,

My Mac's and Apple Software never give me any problems, and are a joy to use :cool:

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I'm really liking Lion a lot. Only have one minor irritation with display not sleeping in full screen mode, as Ken dosnt have this problem it must be specific to my set up.

There are a lot of changes under the hood Chris, massive security improvements, iTunes is 64 bit and written in cocoa, plus all the ui differences. I love all the new gestures and thats just using a magic mouse. I'm looking forward to getting a trackpad.

How did you find the transition from mouse to trackpad, Ken?

Yesterday I had an electrician round. I had lots of apps open in full screen mode and was working on pages and numbers with my research pages open in safari. The electrician tripped the breaker and my system went down. When power was restored my mac just went back to exactly where it was when the power went out all documents in tact and open at the same point safari pages all open at the same pages, I could resume exactly where I was at the point of the power failure. That one incident alone was worth more to me than £20.99

Regards

John.

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Been running lion since the release day and I have to say it's a hell of a lot faster, not just a 'service pack' as micros oft fanboys try to make out (when won't they belittle something that isn't Microsoft -roll eyes

In fact, id say safari on lion kills all the other os competition.

e.g. (running some Microsoft benchmarks that they used to showcase ie9)

http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Pe...g/Default.html
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/07/37.png

http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Pe...g/Default.html
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/07/38.png

Benchmarks were ran fullscreen, then resized to screenshot.

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I really like the Trackpad :)

Went over to it a while ago as I had got used to it on my Macbook,

I haven't used a mouse now in over 3 months on my iMac

Personally I won't go back to the "magic mouse" as the trackpad is so easy to use, and makes gestures so easy

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Totally agree, the speed on Safari is fantastic, but to swipe back through all the sites you have visited in the session still amazes me ,

An example on this forum, were I am on multi threads, its simple just to swipe between topics,

And just as easy to switch between sections of the forum from TV, to Internet, to General IT discussion, with just a simple swipe across the trackpad or mouse :cool:

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Now im used to lion and its a really great improvement, but how do I get to have multiple desktops as you could in Snow Leopard?

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Go into Mission Control and move your mouse pointer to the top-left and a button will appear that you can click to create a new Space. Move the pointer over an open Space and a close symbol will appear that you can click to close the Space.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1311439038

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1311439116

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Its top right on my system.

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As here:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1311440524

Apologies for the Windows 7 workspace ;)

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It's probably top-left on mine because I have my dock pinned to the top-right.

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My display not sleeping is a bug with any application I have set to full screen, not just safari. Anyone have any ideas whats going on?

Regards

John.

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Thanks people :)

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I have been a home Mac user for about 10 or 11 years now, and using one for work for 3 or 4 years. ;) That's more than enough time to understand that Apple's upgrades are sometimes about forced obsolescence rather than new features. My iMac - barely 6 years old and running like greased lightning on Snow Leopard - can't run Lion because its processor is one generation too old.

That appears to be an arbitrary decision on Apple's part, as a number of Lion beta testers managed to hack Lion into working perfectly well on Core Duo hardware, simply by removing a single file whose purpose was to do nothing more than check what processor was on board.

Lion may turn out to be more features for less money than earlier announcements suggested, but for me, it's going to cost a smeg-load more than £20.99. As I, like you, swap constantly between Mail and Calendar on the Mac and an iPad, via the soon-to-be-defunct MobileMe, and because I need to run Lion on the Mac after next June if I want to maintain both that functionality and my me.com email addresses, via it's successor, iCloud, I am going to have to invest in new hardware.

I wouldn't bother, but as we took the decision to build the bookings system for our B&B around the Mac's calendar and have invested in advertising with a me.com emai address, we have little choice.

At the moment, I find the mere mention of Lion rather irritating.

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I think the reason it doesn't work on your iMac is not just because they have decided to rule it out to force people to upgrade, But because the kernel is now defaulted to 64-bit

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/07/30.png

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I would have thought you would be better of not upgrading to Lion with your current hardware configuration

I too have a MobileMe account and a .me email address, I understand all the functionality of Mail, Calendar, and Contacts, will transfer over to iCloud when its launched

I didn't think you would need to upgrade to Lion to achieve this upgrade from Mobleme to iCloud

Can't you just stay with Snow Leopard? until and if you decide to replace your Hardware?

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Now the display sleeps correctly:shrug: I didn't do a thing:confused::confused: Very strange.

Regards

John.

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I fixed it while you were down the Pub John :beer:

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I was surprised at how quickly I got used to the iOS-style scroll behaviour. So quickly in fact that I'm having trouble at work on my Windows 7 machine. :rofl:

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Apple's published information about iCloud that says you need Lion. Which is a totally arbitrary decision on their part, so far as I'm concerned, unless someone can prove otherwise.

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I Know same for me :)

It took a while to get used to scrolling the natural way after years of doing it the opposite way,

Seems daft now why would you want to scroll up when in fact you wanted to move the page down

Now you just push the your fingers in the direction you want the page to go :cool:

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I didn't realise that Chris

And I can see your point as that just makes no sense at all, as by June 2012 your MM account will disappear, and I can see the problems that will cause for your buisiness

Think I can understand your frustration now :(

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Thanks Ken ;)