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fixerman 26-05-2011 22:21

I have just discovered that...
 
.....On the TiVo you can pause live tv and still be able to access alll the menu functions. You can set up further recordings, series links etc while the live channel is paused. That is one big advantage over the V+.:drunk:

LondonRoad 26-05-2011 22:23

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That is good. That will definitely be used often in my house:)

muppetman11 26-05-2011 22:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fixerman (Post 35245432)
.....On the TiVo you can pause live tv and still be able to access alll the menu functions. You can set up further recordings, series links etc while the live channel is paused. That is one big advantage over the V+.:drunk:

Never knew I could but just tried it and the same thing can be achieved on my Sky+HD box so thanks you've taught me something :-) I think your right though I don't think the V+ could do this.

devilincarnate 26-05-2011 23:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fixerman (Post 35245432)
.....On the TiVo you can pause live tv and still be able to access alll the menu functions. You can set up further recordings, series links etc while the live channel is paused. That is one big advantage over the V+.:drunk:

Yes this is a very good function of the box as I also discovered it by accident:confused: It does seem that even though we have had the boxes a while we are still discovering new things about it and what it is capable of:D

OLDGOLD 27-05-2011 15:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35245473)
Never knew I could but just tried it and the same thing can be achieved on my Sky+HD box so thanks you've taught me something :-) I think your right though I don't think the V+ could do this.

Sounds like you clasping at straws trying to find ways the Sky+HD box competes with TiVo. Never! Muppetman, never! LOL :D:D

muppetman11 27-05-2011 15:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by oldgold (Post 35245786)
sounds like you clasping at straws trying to find ways the sky+hd box competes with tivo. Never! Muppetman, never! Lol :d:d

lol :d

toady 27-05-2011 19:30

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The V+ box didn't have to pause live TV while setting up a recording as the video window was available in all the menus whereas the TIVO can't mange it :(

denphone 27-05-2011 19:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLDGOLD (Post 35245786)
Sounds like you clasping at straws trying to find ways the Sky+HD box competes with TiVo. Never! Muppetman, never! LOL :D:D

Tivo is in a different world compared to Muppetman,s sad little Sky plus HD box.:D:D;):D:D

muppetman11 27-05-2011 19:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35245948)
Tivo is in a different world compared to Muppetman,s sad little Sky plus HD box.:D:D;):D:D

I won't rise today I'm in a good mood . :D

devilincarnate 27-05-2011 19:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35245948)
Tivo is in a different world compared to Muppetman,s sad little Sky plus HD box.:D:D;):D:D

You know that he will fall out with you after that comment:D:D:D:D Or was it just a Freudian slip:confused:

---------- Post added at 18:37 ---------- Previous post was at 18:36 ----------

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35245949)
I won't rise today I'm in a good mood . :D

I feel sorry for you partner:D:D:D:D:D Not rising:erm:

denphone 27-05-2011 19:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35245949)
I won't rise today I'm in a good mood . :D

l could not help myself from having a little go at the Master,s right hand man.;):D

fixerman 27-05-2011 20:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35245956)
l could not help myself from having a little go at the Master,s right hand man.;):D

His heart really belongs to VM. He is like the bloke who left his missus for a dolly bird only to realise that his fancy woman was all glitter and no substance.

We must be kind to him because he will return to the fold one day!:romance:

muppetman11 27-05-2011 20:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fixerman (Post 35245993)
His heart really belongs to VM. He is like the bloke who left his missus for a dolly bird only to realise that his fancy woman was all glitter and no substance.

We must be kind to him because he will return to the fold one day!:romance:

LOL :D 10 months and you'll find out , how much will a TIVO box be then ?

Hugh 27-05-2011 21:36

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Anyway, I am sure there was a topic in here somewhere......

fixerman 27-05-2011 22:03

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35246033)
Anyway, I am sure there was a topic in here somewhere......

Sorry Hugh! There is and I started it.:redcard:

kop32 28-05-2011 00:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35245949)
I won't rise today I'm in a good mood . :D

maybe you won't muppetman but I will,I've had both TiVo and Sky HD and the result is the TiVo's going back!!!,until VM and TiVo sort out the numerous bugs and poor picture quality I will have to stick with Sky HD,perhaps I was expecting to much with reading all the hype but IMO TiVo is miles behind............waits for responses............

Hugh 28-05-2011 00:39

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If you don't feel it is suitable for you, that is the right action.

muppetman11 28-05-2011 00:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35246116)
maybe you won't muppetman but I will,I've had both TiVo and Sky HD and the result is the TiVo's going back!!!,until VM and TiVo sort out the numerous bugs and poor picture quality I will have to stick with Sky HD,perhaps I was expecting to much with reading all the hype but IMO TiVo is miles behind............waits for responses............

I've only had a brief tinker around with VM TIVO in the VM store and its feature list is impressive as it's new tech bugs are to be expected however I cannot comment on how many there are as I haven't used one at home. In 2-3 months with Sky+HD I've been really impressed with the software I haven't had to reboot once , I had Sky+HD from launch before going to VM and in my eyes the software is a lot more stable now. I have the latest Amstrad DRX890 and it's been great on sys 26.80 , I think some of the curent software problems are with older boxes since the Anytime+ upgrade. The only real comparison I can make is to the V+ and in my eyes the Sky+HD is miles better apart from on the tuner front which will be important to some I get around this by using my Sky+ app and set SL on other airings. I'm not slating the V+ however as I found it pretty reliable on the whole.

carlwaring 28-05-2011 10:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35246116)
maybe you won't muppetman but I will,I've had both TiVo and Sky HD and the result is the TiVo's going back!!!,until VM and TiVo sort out the numerous bugs and poor picture quality I will have to stick with Sky HD,perhaps I was expecting to much with reading all the hype but IMO TiVo is miles behind............waits for responses............

By all means you do what's right for you. However, please lets not pretend that Sky+ is perfect.

Sky+ Bugs
Sky+ poor picture quality

Yes, some posts are a few years old but not all of them.

I think there is far more right with Tivo than wrong with it.

muppetman11 28-05-2011 10:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35246211)
By all means you do what's right for you. However, please lets not pretend that Sky+ is perfect.

Sky+ Bugs
Sky+ poor picture quality

Yes, some posts are a few years old but not all of them.

I think there is far more right with Tivo than wrong with it.

Obviously Carl Kop32 doesn't agree , he's used both boxes and come to his conclusion , I think he's in a better place than me and you to comment after all both of us haven't used both boxes at length.

carlwaring 28-05-2011 10:44

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Abosolutely, which I why I said "by all means do what's right for you" right at the top of my post :)

fixerman 28-05-2011 10:46

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I started this thread about a very positive and useful feature that I and discovered about TiVo. It is now degenerating into the old SKY v VM again. I know I strayed off topic myself but let's not waste time going over old arguments about which is best between the two platforms.:)

muppetman11 28-05-2011 10:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35246245)
Abosolutely, which I why I said "by all means do what's right for you" right at the top of my post :)

I agree with you in the fact that Sky is not bug free itself however most of the bugs seem to be affecting Thomson , Pace and Samsung boxes , they now only install Amstrad DRX890 and are offering these to replace Thomson boxes as they won't run Anytime+ , in my time with Sky+HD I haven't had a single reboot and the only problem I have had is a recording that said it had recorded however on playback there was just a bluescreen , this was on Sys 26.70 I've not had any at all since 26.80 and trust me I record lots. I am not doubting anybody over TIVO as I can't compare and the TIVO does offer more advanced features , I guess Kop32 is viewing this from the stability of the software on both boxes.

carlwaring 28-05-2011 10:55

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I have had one, maybe two, spontaneous and something like three forced re-boots on my Tivo so it's not a problem that affects everyone.

Much like the Sky+ I guess ;)

The point.... swings and round-a-bouts... six of one... etc..

muppetman11 28-05-2011 10:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fixerman (Post 35246246)
i started this thread about a very positive and useful feature that i and discovered about tivo. It is now degenerating into the old sky v vm again. I know i strayed off topic myself but let's not waste time going over old arguments about which is best between the two platforms.:)

lol :d Back on topic its a good feature , at least you can pause a show while you setup SL or check what time something is on.

spiderplant 28-05-2011 13:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by toady (Post 35245943)
The V+ box didn't have to pause live TV while setting up a recording as the video window was available in all the menus whereas the TIVO can't mange it :(

You can set recordings from the Miniguide without interrupting live TV.

carlwaring 28-05-2011 14:07

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True, but that is - unfortunately - limited to one-off recordings so is of limited use :(

toady 28-05-2011 16:07

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Even with all the current bugs and quirks of the TIVO some of which really annoy me, hell would freeze over before I'd return the box, the new features really work for me, just hoping that VM keep working on the problems and features missing from the V+ are added and its not too long before an update is ready

denphone 28-05-2011 16:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by toady (Post 35246535)
Even with all the current bugs and quirks of the TIVO some of which really annoy me, hell would freeze over before I'd return the box, the new features really work for me, just hoping that VM keep working on the problems and features missing from the V+ are added and its not too long before an update is ready


The tivo will only get better with the updates to come and with all the little bugs which will soon smooth themselves out as well.

fixerman 28-05-2011 16:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35246407)
You can set recordings from the Miniguide without interrupting live TV.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear in the original post. Where this TiVo feature really excels is that if you are in delayed TV where you have previously paused the channel or where you have rewound a buffered channel you can pause play at any point and go straight to any of the TiVo menu options where you have full functionality. When you are finished checking or making selections just press TV and your paused programme is available to resume play.

I have had many PVR/DVR models over the years and none allowed you to pause delayed TV and gain access to all the menu functions. You would get a message to exit delayed TV. I hope this makes it clearer.:)

JethroUK 29-05-2011 07:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fixerman (Post 35246543)
.. When you are finished checking or making selections just press TV and your paused programme is available to resume play...

Are you sure 'TV' button doesn't exit delayed TV/go directly to Live TV?

I always press 'zoom' button to close the menus and go back to full screen whether it's TV or recording

I expect 'TV' button to always take you directly to 'live' TV (exit any recording, exit VOD and/or exit delayed TV)

and if thats not the way it works it should do - it's more intuitive

clayts 29-05-2011 10:26

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Useful feature this - thanks for sharing :)

fixerman 29-05-2011 13:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK (Post 35247010)
Are you sure 'TV' button doesn't exit delayed TV/go directly to Live TV?

I always press 'zoom' button to close the menus and go back to full screen whether it's TV or recording

I expect 'TV' button to always take you directly to 'live' TV (exit any recording, exit VOD and/or exit delayed TV)

and if thats not the way it works it should do - it's more intuitive

Do you really think that I didn't check my facts before I started this thread?

The TV button does NOT go directly to live TV when in pause.

The ZOOM button will not take you to live or paused TV from a menu page that does not display the small TV screen. The TV button will.

Check your facts in future before you challenge forum contributions.:2up:

JethroUK 29-05-2011 14:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fixerman (Post 35247192)
..Check your facts in future before you challenge forum contributions.:2up:

You call it a 'challenge' - i thought it was a 'question' and tbh i didn't even noticed you made the opening post

but since you feel sensitive about my 'challenges' i suggest you ignore me because i'll be posting quite a few 'challenges' and i'll return the favour

plonk

kop32 30-05-2011 10:01

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I also discovered (before I cancelled TiVo) that when fast forwarding a recorded program and you think you have reached where you want to be and you press play you are actually about 10 seconds behind where you thought you where,is this a common issue or just another "bug issue".

ahardie 30-05-2011 10:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35247782)
I also discovered (before I cancelled TiVo) that when fast forwarding a recorded program and you think you have reached where you want to be and you press play you are actually about 10 seconds behind where you thought you where,is this a common issue or just another "bug issue".

It just works different to other pvr's in this respect. On other pvr's you fast forward past adverts you invariably go past the start and have to wind back. Tivo automatically jumps back with the fastest and second fastest ff. It doesn't do it with the slowest ff.

JethroUK 30-05-2011 10:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35247782)
I also discovered (before I cancelled TiVo) that when fast forwarding a recorded program and you think you have reached where you want to be and you press play you are actually about 10 seconds behind where you thought you where,is this a common issue or just another "bug issue".

It's a feature and I really like it - I always over run when FFwding so when i press play (too late) it jumps back a few seconds - my wife is even worse than me

Works for Rewind too

ahardie 30-05-2011 10:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK (Post 35247784)
It's a feature and I really like it - I always over run when FFwding so when i press play (too late) it jumps back a few seconds - my wife is even worse than me

Works for Rewind too

Yes, it's a bit disconcerting at first but once you get used to it it's a nice feature.

denphone 30-05-2011 10:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JethroUK (Post 35247784)
It's a feature and I really like it - I always over run when FFwding so when i press play (too late) it jumps back a few seconds - my wife is even worse than me

Works for Rewind too

Yes and like that feature as well.:D

carlwaring 30-05-2011 10:22

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Personally that's the one feature I really hate with a passion :( I got so good at just hitting the right spot without it that I now, invariably, have to spend a few seconds either FF or REW because I always miss it now. Wish they'd make it optional.

denphone 30-05-2011 10:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35247789)
Personally that's the one feature I really hate with a passion :( I got so good at just hitting the right spot without it that I now, invariably, have to spend a few seconds either FF or REW because I always miss it now. Wish they'd make it optional.

Oh no l love it as l tend to overrun and it always goes back to the end of the adverts and the restart of what l was watching.

muppetman11 30-05-2011 11:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35247789)
Personally that's the one feature I really hate with a passion :( I got so good at just hitting the right spot without it that I now, invariably, have to spend a few seconds either FF or REW because I always miss it now. Wish they'd make it optional.

I'm with Carl here, after watching so many shows on a PVR you become a legend at stopping at just the right time. :D

passingbat 30-05-2011 12:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35247789)
Personally that's the one feature I really hate with a passion :( I got so good at just hitting the right spot without it that I now, invariably, have to spend a few seconds either FF or REW because I always miss it now. Wish they'd make it optional.

Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35247836)
I'm with Carl here, after watching so many shows on a PVR you become a legend at stopping at just the right time. :D

I love the automatic windback feature. I reckon you two just want to brag about how good you are at stopping in the right spot :D

Nothings changed for you in reality; you just have to practice getting the overshoot right! Just think of it a level 2 for 'remote stop techniques' :D

brava210 30-05-2011 12:43

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Jethrouk.

Plonk ? :confused:

muppetman11 30-05-2011 13:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35247871)
i love the automatic windback feature. I reckon you two just want to brag about how good you are at stopping in the right spot :d

nothings changed for you in reality; you just have to practice getting the overshoot right! Just think of it a level 2 for 'remote stop techniques' :d

lol :d

denphone 30-05-2011 13:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35247836)
I'm with Carl here, after watching so many shows on a PVR you become a legend at stopping at just the right time. :D

Always the expert Darth.:D;):D

JethroUK 30-05-2011 16:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brava210 (Post 35247880)
Jethrouk.

Plonk ? :confused:

Plonk = Add to Ignore list

carlwaring 30-05-2011 17:04

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Only used so he doesn't have to read any posts from that disagree with him.

devilincarnate 30-05-2011 17:15

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Originally Posted by JethroUK (Post 35248066)
Plonk = Add to Ignore list

Can I be added to that list as I feel that I need to be part of a group:erm:

afront 30-05-2011 17:19

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I have just discovered that...

this forum is quite difficult to read, since there is so much "noise" in the threads. I just joined and thought this thread would have some good tips to help me with my new TiVo, but out of 50-odd posts I think there are really only 3 or 4 posts "on topic" here. Is that usual?

Not having a go or anything, it's just an observation from a n00b.

devilincarnate 30-05-2011 17:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by afront (Post 35248090)
I have just discovered that...

this forum is quite difficult to read, since there is so much "noise" in the threads. I just joined and thought this thread would have some good tips to help me with my new TiVo, but out of 50-odd posts I think there are really only 3 or 4 posts "on topic" here. Is that usual?

Not having a go or anything, it's just an observation from a n00b.

No it is the same on all the threads on here on this forum:D You will get as you say about 3 - 4 good posts out of 50, So it keeps you coming back and checking what has been posted:confused:

P.S Welcome to the forum :welcome:

afront 30-05-2011 17:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35248096)
P.S Welcome to the forum :welcome:

Thanks! I do see there are moderators here, so that's something I suppose. Looks like they have their work cut out for them though :nworthy:

devilincarnate 30-05-2011 17:29

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Originally Posted by afront (Post 35248098)
Thanks! I do see there are moderators here, so that's something I suppose. Looks like they have their work cut out for them though :nworthy:

SSSSSHHHHH do not mention the MODS, They leave us alone if we do not get to rowdy :erm::D:D:D:D


Only joking Mods

denphone 30-05-2011 17:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35248101)
SSSSSHHHHH do not mention the MODS, They leave us alone if we do not get to rowdy :erm::D:D:D:D


Only joking Mods

l have always been the quiet one on here.:D;):D

devilincarnate 30-05-2011 17:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by afront (Post 35248090)
I just joined and thought this thread would have some good tips to help me with my new TiVo.

Forgot to mention earlier but these are good for tips and tricks for the TiVo box:

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...Qs/td-p/458723

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ot/td-p/435283

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=464963

Hope these help you:confused:

carlwaring 30-05-2011 19:20

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(Thought I'd post this here as I have just discovered something too!)

My internet just went off for a short while and it took my Tivo's network connection with it.

It was only off for around 5 mins but it did allow me to discover something interesting that I did not realise; which would also explain why the Tivo is so slow to update some pages like "My Shows".

I had assumed that all the graphics, etc., were stored locally, but they're not :eek:

The details and pic that appear on the right when you highlight a programme would not display whilst the network connection was not available. Even more suprising was that, with no network connection, you cannot use the 'OK' button to bring up the full 'programme details' page!

Or is this old news to most people and I'm just being my usual slow self? ;):p::)

denphone 30-05-2011 19:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35248185)
(Thought I'd post this here as I have just discovered something too!)

My internet just went off for a short while and it took my Tivo's network connection with it.

It was only off for around 5 mins but it did allow me to discover something interesting that I did not realise; which would also explain why the Tivo is so slow to update some pages like "My Shows".

I had assumed that all the graphics, etc., were stored locally, but they're not :eek:

The details and pic that appear on the right when you highlight a programme would not display whilst the network connection was not available. Even more suprising was that, with no network connection, you cannot use the 'OK' button to bring up the full 'programme details' page!

Or is this old news to most people and I'm just being my usual slow self? ;):p::)

l have never had this problem yet and no you are not slow.

carlwaring 30-05-2011 19:27

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I haven't much; this is only like the third time or something. It was just interesting to note that things aren't how I thought they were; and possibly why the Tivo is so slow sometimes.

I'll bet all the "browse" pictures are also server-side. Which kinda makes sense as they couldn't store them all locally I suppose :)

HDFootyMan 30-05-2011 20:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35248185)
(Thought I'd post this here as I have just discovered something too!)

My internet just went off for a short while and it took my Tivo's network connection with it.

It was only off for around 5 mins but it did allow me to discover something interesting that I did not realise; which would also explain why the Tivo is so slow to update some pages like "My Shows".

I had assumed that all the graphics, etc., were stored locally, but they're not :eek:

The details and pic that appear on the right when you highlight a programme would not display whilst the network connection was not available. Even more suprising was that, with no network connection, you cannot use the 'OK' button to bring up the full 'programme details' page!

Or is this old news to most people and I'm just being my usual slow self? ;):p::)



Engadget's review of the TiVo Premiere mentioned that the software doesn't cache anything and when moving from page to page, TiVo has to reload all images:

Quote:

TiVo says the Premiere doesn't cache images in memory in order to keep RAM usage down, but that doesn't make it any easier to deal with -- besides, RAM's cheap and this entire interface needs to be loaded up and ready to go at all times. Even the first-level menus load in slowly, and they're an entirely local affair -- there's no reason for the same six options under "Find TV, movies, and videos" to take a second to appear every time you select it. It gets worse when you actually try and use the new browse features; not only do the icons and content take measurable amounts of time to load in, the discovery bar reloads itself every time you drill down a level to present more context-sensitive info, so it really feels like the whole UI is blanking out with each click.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/t...emiere-review/

whoareyou 31-05-2011 09:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35248185)
(Thought I'd post this here as I have just discovered something too!)

My internet just went off for a short while and it took my Tivo's network connection with it.

It was only off for around 5 mins but it did allow me to discover something interesting that I did not realise; which would also explain why the Tivo is so slow to update some pages like "My Shows".

I had assumed that all the graphics, etc., were stored locally, but they're not :eek:

The details and pic that appear on the right when you highlight a programme would not display whilst the network connection was not available. Even more suprising was that, with no network connection, you cannot use the 'OK' button to bring up the full 'programme details' page!

Or is this old news to most people and I'm just being my usual slow self? ;):p::)

That explains why it can be so PAINFUL! :cry:


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