1gb speeds on the horizon?
 

Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere but this seemed the most appropriate place........

Just been browsing tbb and found this article: New fibre broadband provider to be launched by BE founders

20mb 10mb and 1gb speeds on the way or simply hot air.

Discuss......

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Not for most, and perfectly viable due to the business model.

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Similar to how ask4 provide connectivity if they go down the route of FTTP instead of FTTH.

Re: 1gb speeds on the horizon???
 

Hopefully not long untill england is up there with the rest of europe :)

http://www.netindex.com/download/2,4/United-Kingdom/

Interesting to check up on every couple of months; in 2011 average speed has risen from 9 mb/s to just under 11

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Apart from business users I fail to see what practical use anyone could find for 100Mbps broadband.

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Yeah......ok :D

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Business users tend to be fairly light users of broadband to be honest, compared to home users. They need neither speed or high usage caps but rather reliability (unless online services are a core part of their business, at which point broadband isn't suitable, get a leased line).

As far as consumer "need", you don't "need" 100mb any more than you "need" 50mb or 30mb. Anything you "need" to do real-time can pretty much done with 10mb or less. Anything more makes downloads go faster but how much do you "need" to download a file in 10 minutes any more than you "need" it in 20 or 30 minutes?

Quad-HD streaming on youtube only takes 20mb and 1080p 3D takes 10mb. That's the highest real-time bandwidth consumer I can think of.

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Sorry but I fail to see how a 3D film can be streamed and viewed at 10Mb.

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Nobody said anything about film, though even then it'd be fairly easy. Try it and see, or just do the basic math yourself.

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Okay then to be more precise. I fail to see how you can stream a 3D film and watch it straight away without having to wait for it to buffer.

You are looking at at least 4.5GB of data, and to download at 10Mbps would take several hours. There is the maths, simples.

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The bitrate of youtube 3D at 1080p (like I said) is 10mbps. Therefore you will stream in realtime without waiting for it to buffer at... surprise surprise... 10mbps. I never said anything about downloading or buffering or connection speed. The video stream itself is 10mbps.

Given the bitrate of quad-1080p is 20mbps, half of that, i.e. dual-1080p can easily fit into 10mbps.

I'm not sure where you get your math skills from, but 4.5GB of data would not take several hours to download, it'd take 1 hour, one minute, and 26 seconds at exactly 10mbps, or far shorter than your average movie. I don't know where you pulled 4.5GB from either, but a 90-minute movie at 10mbps is ~6.6GB.

Re: 1gb speeds on the horizon???
 

i wouldnt go by that as its only counted users thats visited the website which will proberbly be a lot lower than the number of people on broadband in the UK.

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Edit: Long winded post warning....

People saying they cant see a need for this. Bear in mind back in 2001 we got broadband which ran at 1.8 mb/s and people were saying how thees no need for internet that fast and stuff LOL

Or 2004 when we got a dual 2.5 GHZ mac pro with 2 GB of ram and people couldnt get their head arround why we would need 2 GB of ram or 2 x 2.5 ghz cpu.

Now a £350 laptop comes with 2+ ghz dualcore + 3 GB of ram and the average speed across the u.k. is 5 mb/s

my (longwinded) point being is things change so you should be glad people are trailing 1 gb speeds so were ready for when its needed.

also above about the 1080p i'm sure there will be a new standard hd resolution a fw year from now, with screens getting so big now the resolution/screensize gap is closing in on old tvs

there are already videos on youtube shot in 4096p (I know that they were done with RED cameras whcih are pro, but thats how 1080 started off)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0m1XmvBey8

on the quality options click 'original'

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/07/88.png

It had to stream at 42 MB/s just to buffer slightly ahead of the video

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Agreed, just because we don't need it now doesn't mean we never will. There are plenty of applications that we currently only dream of using across the internet because speeds are too slow.

Oh, and 4K video is not 4096p, its 2304p. There's nothing on Youtube shot at 4096p, that'd be 7280x4096.

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I don't know where your getting your HD 3D films from at anything less than 4.5Gbps. Every blue ray film I have is 4.5GB, so a 3D film would be at least that.

And back to the point, you WOULD have to wait for it to buffer, and we are not talking about youtube, we are talking proper 3D quality, which equates to 2 HD broadcasts played in sync with each other.,

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3D on blu-ray only has a 50% overhead compared to 2D.
There is no reason to need double the bandwidth.

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The bluray for the film SALT with Angelina Jolie in is ~44.5 GB

Dvd films are usually arround 4 - 5 GB

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That is what I meant to put sorry.

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I'm not getting HD 3D films because there's nowhere to legally stream them from, hence I've already told you I wasn't talking about films. I'm talking about Youtube. That's the highest bandwidth-consuming real-time usage I can think of.

There is nowhere that you can currently stream higher than 10-20mbps video from, films or otherwise.

We're not talking proper 3D quality, so quit making crap up just to defend your half-assed ignorant attempt at changing the subject.

The highest bandwidth real-time streaming available to most people right now is Youtube 3D, and that's 10mbps. Alternatively Youtube at 4K uses up to 20mbps, but 4K material is rare. End of discussion.

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Listen I am not trying to change the subject, you are now tr4ying to cover your clueless arse up. I was refering to on demand services such as the Iplayer and other streaming services such as Love Film who may want to stream 3d films over the web. If like you was talking about was just youTube then I apologise, but I was talking about true quality 3D films being streamed.

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You know, streaming services like Iplayer and love film have never, and probably will never, offer true to bluray quality streaming. They're far more likely to offer them at the same quality youtube does.

You're also ignoring the fact you're way over estimating how much bandwidth a "true quality 3D" film would take, like I posted above, the 3D spec within bluray has an overhead of around 50%, it's no where near double nor does it ever need to be.

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This is what I said, and I quote:

Was that really so hard it took you 6 days to comprehend?

---------- Post added at 19:44 ---------- Previous post was at 19:42 ----------

Indeed. iPlayer previously stated their HD streaming services were targeted at around 2-4mbps. That was a few years ago though, but they did say they were aiming for 5-10mbps in the long run, not sure if it's been reached yet. Still no higher than Youtube.

Given PtMP streaming (i.e. cable and satellite TV) still only gets half the bandwidth of actual blu-ray there's no way in hell on-demand IP streaming will surpass it anytime soon.