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Does anyone know when ITV2HD will be available on Virgin please?

Thanks very much.

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Nobody has any idea on when it will be on VM, Sorry.
You can keep a eye on this thread and all the info Will be posted here?

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-2011-vol.html

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It's Coming Soon , how soon is anyone's guess.

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Adding value, as always....:D

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Thanks for your quick replies.

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Well with Virgin,s snails pace driving don,t expect to see it for several years.

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Ah the optimism of it all! By end of next summer imo......

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No just stating the obvious it will come soon , how soon is anyone's guess ;)

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How soon is like how long is a piece of string.:erm::erm:

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As long as you want it:erm:

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200 metres long enough.:D:D:D

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Well with Sky throwing money at everything that moves, including exclusivity of ITV 2, 3 and 4 HD, don't expect to see it for several years.

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And l agree with you in that we will not see ITV HD 2, 3 and 4 for quite a while.:(:(

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Actually ITV 2,3,4 HD arent exclusive , it only says on Satellite , Adam Crozier said they were open to talks with VM.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...ls-pay-tv-push

ITV's HD channels will become available to Sky+ HD subscribers in autumn, starting with ITV2 in October. ITV was in talks with other providers, Crozier said, including Virgin Media, but the deal was exclusive to Sky among satellite platforms.

If its easier to blame Sky though knock yourself out.

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Perhaps Virgin are not prepared to fork out the carriage fees again.:erm::erm:

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ITV get some of the £10 HD charge from Sky.. do you want to pay more for them?

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We are already paying a substantial amount to Virgin which includes 7.00 for Sky premium hd channels and l have no doubt that will probably go up later this year so l think we have every right to question why Virgin have not got them at the present time, we seem to be getting less channels and yet pay more money to Virgin at the present time.:(:(

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£7 is for Sky HD Premiums, not XL TV which includes basic HD. I'm guessing ITV want a bigger slice of XL subs.

also if Sky put up the £7 charge then blame them.

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One word springs to mind and that is greed.:(:(

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This is the downfall to no HD charge some people it suits , others who want more it doesnt. The Sky premium HD charge won't go up , especially with HD becoming more and more mainstream. It's amazing how every thread ends up Sky fault , the op question was when will ITV 2 HD end up on VM no mention of Sky.

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Well it is somebodys fault and l believe the Sky HD premium charge will go up along with Skys usual SD premium channel rises as well later this year and stop sticking up for the dark side as well.:(:(

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But I'm on about the OP question about ITV2 HD.

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I was answering Denphones comment on SKY HD £7 charge.

I never mentioned lack of ITV HD being Sky's fault.

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Yes l know you are Muppetman but l wanted to broaden the thread a bit and you know what l am like.:D:D:D:D

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I wasn't really meaning you mate. I quoted you to answer Sky premiums.

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Ah, ok

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Just contact ITV about the Hd channels and this is the reply that I got:

I removed the persons name from the reply.

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ITV2 SD is horrible quality - I really can't wait for ITV2 HD to arrive.

Is Celebrity Juice in HD?

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Yep like I've already posted, no exclusive deal their happy to work with other pay tv providers.

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Yes it is.

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Thanks for getting in contact with them but obviously we are still none the wiser.

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You have to congratulate Virgin on digging their heels in and eventually getting stuff cheaper, its not as though ITV are a buisness or anything and need to make money, i think virgin should threaten to drop some ITV channels unless they get a better deal than $ky customers get.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Depends on how much you want ITV 2,3 & 4 HD. What Sky pay and what VM pay are totally seperate.

They both have different business models when it comes to basic HD.

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My reading of ITV's reply suggests that no carriage deal is imminent and that ITV2 HD, ITV3 HD and ITV4 HD will not be on VM any time soon.

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I think you would be wrong to read anything much into an email response. Companies tend to just send out a standard reply. As I recall ITV were sending out similar responses to enquiries about ITV1 HD not long before it appeared on our screens.

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Like most of the other HD channels channels Virgin still has not got.:(:(

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I thought this thread was going to announce the channel was actually coming to Virgin soon, or something positive however it's just 3 pages of the usual guff. In fact most of this thread is just rehashed posts and comments from the Coming Soon. No offence meant to anyone really, I'm just get tired of reading the same thoughts and comments over and over again about the same subjects.

I think my Mrs. PMT is rubbing off on me!

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Maybe, and I accept that it's difficult to tell as none of us know what neogitations might be going on behind the proverbail scenes. That said, I'd still be surprised if these channels were to appear in the near future.

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Remember it took a year before we got Sky Arts HD 1 and 2 after a deal was done.:(:(

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You keep comparing Sky and Virgin Media. Sky are a corporation that have a choke hold on TV like Apple does on MP3/MP4 players. They are primarily a TV company and a company with billions of dollars backing from people that will shoot themselves in the face if it means screwing over someone else and being 'on top'.

Virgin Media is a well rounded service with brilliant services across all 4 platforms. They are a business and they have to make money while maintaining the high quality of services they provide. If you want awful broadband, no terrestrial channel on demand services and no choice of additional mobile services then go to Sky with their money that comes out their arse, so you can be just another number and not part of a brilliant company who because they don't have the money to sign up "***** HD 2" and "***** HD 3" that probably have viewing numbers of about 1000 people, are supposedly poor and rubbish.

Every damn post is "they take too long, where's Channel ___?". Just wait. A giant company does what is best for both itself and its customer. Its not going to lose profit or fork the fees up for all because Little Jimmy wants his ****** panel shows and repeats in HD.:dunce::dunce:

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l will never go to Sky lets make that perfectly clear ands virgins tivo and broadband are excellent but l do believe they should be doing more with regards to getting channels quicker as there are plenty of channels they could get which are not even owned by Sky so there are no excuses its as simple as that.

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Another constructive non bias post :D

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So what is the point of your post? Are you saying that only negativity is allowed? If you don't agree with his post then argue with him and say why you disagree, that is the point of a forum.
Another thing, putting a grin or lol after almost every post doesn't make rudeness OK IMHO.

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No I'm saying this a thread about ITV2 HD on VM , nothing at all to do with Sky. So far James has claimed Sky have locked the ITVHD channels away a myth I've shown to be wrong and he's stated Den is wrong for comparing VM to Sky , surely if you shop at Asda you check prices with its biggest rival Tesco. I have posted many complimentary posts about VM so clearly I'm not trying to indicate that only negative posts are allowed however James post was a clear attack on a member.

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All opinions whether good or bad or do l agree with someone or l don,t agree with someone well thats what this forum is about.

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I'm sure you are a top notch bloke Muppetman but you have to appreciate that not everyone shares your views. You obviously don't agree with VM's policies as you have moved your tv service but not all of us think that more HD channels are the be all and ednd all. Personally I am quite happy with what I get for money. Yes I would like them to add more HD channels, especially now I have a large drive to record them on but personally I don't want to pay more for them. As far as I am concerned my VM services are pretty good value for what I want. Of course I want more though, that is human nature.

There are plenty of people who only ever post negatively. I am sure there is room enough in this forum for people who like their cable services.


Totally agree.

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I fully agree with you , VM offering is completely different to that of Sky , I do not dislike cable in fact my TV service was on the whole pretty good and I can't fault my V+ , my main reason for switching was to get SS 3 and 4 in HD and ESPNA HD.

I agree with VM policy of trying to get channels at competitive prices , I was merely stating a customer will always compare the two , and also that on this occasion Sky had no involvement on VM not carrying the ITVHD channels. I have publicly stated on here that I would consider a return to VM so as you can see I'm hardly anti VM , I still have M TV , XL BB and M phone. I have absolutely no problem with peoples differing views , were I do have a problem is when somebody states something what's factually untrue.

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How could you possibly know that? Don't forget Sky is a significant shareholder in ITV.

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Yes sky now own less than 7.5% they were made to sell shares from the original 17.9% however itv have already claimed to have held talks with VM and a user on here has received an email from ITV stating they are open to negotiations with other platforms. I feel the wait is down to VM trying to thrash the best price out , which is obviously beneficial to customers , I feel it will arrive and possibly before the end of the year however that's just my opinion nobody really knows. I would no longer class 7.5 % as a shareholding what would seriously block VM from carrying these channels.

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I'm inclined to agree. Cable in this country ever since the launch of digital cable has never considered adding new channels to be a priority as they have seen broadband as their number one priority, probably with on demand television, specifically Tivo, as their number two priority. New channels isn't something that VM, or its predecessors ever saw as important which is why new channels very rarely launch on VM and when they do they tend to replace an existing channel. This strategy has always been controversial and always ignites passionate debates on forums such as this one.

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Yes l agree and l also think they have the wrong strategy on this.

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I honestly don't think that VM have the wrong approach when it comes to adding channels. Sky run in all guns blazing and pay silly amounts of money, where as VM tend to wait a bit and actually try and negotiate a better deal for them and the customers.

So yes channels can take longer but VM is sensible in no spending silly amounts of money.

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l am not advocating spending silly amounts of money but l am sure even you would admit Virgins negotiating seems to take a eternity on getting some of these channels.

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Sky also have the advantage that they can leave it up to the individual channels to handle the uplinking to the satellite and all they need to do is add the channel to their EPG. This is what a lot of people seem to forget when they complain about VM not instantly adding channels when they launch.

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I take your point to a certain extent but even you would admit that some channels we still have not got which Sky had 18 months ago and surely it does not take that long to get certain channels.

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Depends how much they want, really. It sort of ties in with my previous post. If, for example, ITV wanted £1 per month per subscriber for their HD channels, for Sky that £1 per month is all they'd need to pay as ITV were fronting the cost of uplinking the channels to the satellite. For VM it would cost them the £1 per month, plus however much it would cost them to add the channel to their system. This, I believe, is why VM go to such pains to negotiate a good price for channels as they have extra expense involved that Sky don't.

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Not at all. VM have a lot more work involved in getting channels on to the system. So it will naturally take longer.

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But you have to admit that cable customers get frustrated by having to wait much, much longer to get these channels.

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Care to point me in the direction of figures to back up the statement that Sky pay silly amounts.

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I personally don't I have other things in my life to worry and get frustated about. If they come, they come. Doesn't bother me either way.

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And the vast majority of new channels don't appear at all. Correct me if I am wrong but the only brand new channels (not including HD simulcasts of existing channels nor channel swaps such as swapping Pop for True Entertainment) which have been added in the last year or so have been a premium channel (Cinemoi) and a timeshift channel (ITV1 +1) whilst many more channels have been removed, either due to them being closed by the channel's owners or decisions taken to remove channels from VM such as MTV Classic. The removal of these channels is in addition to the removal a couple of years earlier of the former Sky music channels which later became owned by Chart Show Media. VM seems to argue that people only want to access music videos on demand and not via linear music channels which must be the reason why so many music channels have been removed with nothing being added to replace them, underlining my point that VM doesn't see television channels as a priority and that Tivo is much higher up their priority list, second, of course, to broadband with on demand probably being their number three priority and new linear channels being right at the very bottom.

As I said before, VM seems not to consider adding new channels as something it wants to do. That's their decision and people have to decide whether to remain a VM customer based on this decision that VM has made and if people want more channels, including almost every channel launched since VM was formed oour years ago out of the ntl/Telewest merger, then they need to think about getting Sky.

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People don't seem to think that Virgin have the wrong approach because they hang back, play hardball and get the channels eventually cheaper. Can any one tell me how this is different to me waiting then playing hardball over the phone to get services installed cheaper or for free??? my post from a couple of pages back wasn't meant to mean that there is a difference in what sky pay for channels and what virgin pay, it was a very sarcastic take on a bit of flaming i took from VM staff in another post, but whilst we are at it Virgins strategy on adding new HD channels is wrong,and unless they get the same content for TiVo that $ky are showing on their exclusive channels then they will lose. Remember when all your mates at school had addidas kick trainers and your mum got you puma? :bsmack:

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I do not know this as I used to wear Vans, Converse or Airwalk trainers. So I was always the odd one out:erm:

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It is no good having a rant at over 'silly prices' with Sky, l pay these silly prices becuase Sky have great channels to watch, and have all the channels you need.

With VM, l will say this again, they want channels on the cheap, this is why you won't get Atlantic, Sky have stated that they will provide this channel to VM at a 'reasonable' price.

Why should Sky go into battle with VM if they wont pay the money.

Sky give value for money.

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Yes they must as I left them after 13 years to become a Virgin TV customer, It is all down to personal needs:confused: I left as I did not about 400 Shopping, Talk show E.T.C channels.

Each to their own:erm:

Also in regards to silly prices just look at what SKY payed for glee.

Full story here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13428649

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But they are essentially a second tier TV company. They will never have the resources to compete, nor' do they need to. They offer different services to Sky just as Sky offer what could deemed as better TV.

Plus, what channels are we seriously missing out on that could be obtained by VM? (Excluding Kids, Adult and channels in the Foreign Section of the Sky EPG)

Key

Red - Unlikely the broadcaster could afford it
Turquoise - Very limited audience so not financially viable
Blue Sky Stranglehold on the Channels
Orange - Just a matter of time, not really that important to anyone, mostly timeshifts or HD versions of poor channels
Green - Channels that the broadcaster can afford to put on VM and that VM should and can get





AIT International
BEN
BET
BET+1
Bio.HD
CBS Drama
CBS Action
CBS Reality+1
Comedy Central Extra+1
Controversial TV
DMAX+1
DMAX+2
FX+
HiTV
Information TV
Information TV+1
ITV2 HD
ITV3 HD
ITV4 HD
Men & Movies
More4+1
MTV+1
My Channel
OBE TV
Open Heaven TV
Pick TV+1
Propeller TV
Quest+1
Showcase TV
Showcase TV 2
Sky 3D
Sky Atlantic
Sky Atlantic HD
Sumo TV
Universal Channel HD
Vox Africa
Travel Channel
Travel Channel+1
Style Network
Food Network
Food Network+1
Wedding TV
?TV
The Africa Channel
Luxury Life
Body in Balance
Diva TV+1
Horse & Country TV
The Active Channel
Fitness TV
Good Food HD
MGM HD
Horror Channel+1
Sky Movies Classics HD
Nollywood Movies
True Movies 2
Movies4Men
Movies4Men+1
Movies4Men 2
Movies4Men 2+1
MTV Music
MTV Classic
Chart Show TV
The Vault
Flava
Vintage TV
Channel AKA
Starz TV
Bliss
Scuzz
Dance Nation TV
Greatest Hits TV
NME TV
Clubland TV
WTF
Sky Sports HD 3
Sky Sports HD 4
Sky Sports News HD
ESPN America HD
Chelsea TV
Premier Sports
Premier Sports Xtra
NHK World TV
Fox News Channel
CCTV News
NDTV 24x7
RT
France 24
Al Jazeera English
Press TV
Sky News HD
NHK World TV HD
History+1
History HD
Yesturday+1
Nat Geo Wild HD
Discovery Science+1
Investigation Discovery
Crime & Investigation Network +1
Crime & Investigation Network HD
Discovery History HD
Eden HD
Eden +1
Animal Planet +1 (Recently removed, doubt it'll be back soon)

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interesting.

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Interesting

Orange - Just a matter of time, not really that important to anyone, mostly timeshifts or HD versions of poor channels

Nat Geo Wild HD
Eden HD
History HD
ITV 2 HD
ITV 3 HD
ITV 4 HD
CBS Drama
CBS Action

In your opinion I take it. Why have we excluded kids , I'm sure many on here have children.

A pretty comprehensive list though well put together :-)

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Now these are some of the channels they should be adding along with
Sky Atlantic
Sky Classic
Sky Sports HD3 and 4
Crime and investigation HD and several others.

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Hear! Hear!

I really want ITV4HD - admittedly it's only for one programme - British Touring Cars every few weeks, but I still really want it.

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SD available, SD available, SD available, SD available, SD available, Programs shown on Quest and others, Programs shown on Quest and others.

So not that important.

Its not my opinion (I don't watch cooking, music or news channels but they're green) the reason Crime&Inves is orange is its half owned by Sky so they'll have some say in HD being on Virgin but not a stranglehold on the channel.

I excluded kids because I was tired but I knew someone would complain so;

Disney Cinemagic HD (Has some relation with Sky Movies)
Disney Junior+ (Formally Playhouse Disney+)
Disney XD HD
Kix!
Nickelodeon HD [1/2 Sky]
Nicktoons Replay (+1) [1/2 Sky]
POP (Recently removed)
Pop Girl
Pop Girl +1
Tiny Pop+1

My point personified, poor HD channel and a waste of budget that could be used on more popular channels who show much more exclusive, live, self produced or first run programming instead of repeats after repeats mixed with with one or two shows a week that are popular (not to me to viewing figures); see ITV 2 HD and ITV 4 HD.

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Agree with you those channels are mainly available in SD , but I'd imagine that most people with 40" HDTVs or bigger would sooner see them in HD although I do see your point.

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Can i just say that if we get the channels, all well and good and if not who cares. I do not care what comes as it will be a surprise for what appears:erm:

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Most members want channels that are not on VM but on Sky, and yes it is down to choice of the customer.

But quite a few members have stated they want Atlantic, but this does come at a price and l DON'T think VM will pay that price, so they will lose out. My annoyance about VM is that they will take channels off, but won't replaced them.

We all want a rolls royce, but have to make do with a Ford Fiesta, sadly this is what VM is.

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The companies operate a different mode to each other sky is basically a tv company that also thanks to bt is able to offer broadband and phone lines.Virgin media on the other hand is a broadband company who also offer tv and phone lines,virgin will never have the cash to compete with sky on linear tv channels fact,but with TiVo is obviously going the streaming content route as well as linear channels,after all why compete with a cash rich mountain company who pay nutty prices for content.

Sky are a Ford fiesta company with regards to broadband.

With Virgin media very much the rolls royce.

The positons with tv are reversed.Who says sky have offered atlantic at a "reasonable price" er sky of course they would do would they not,virgin media tv customers will probably get it when it moves onto a sky pack later on in the year,and sky ask a reasonable price for it.

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Pretty much agree with most of that.

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Could you provide a link to Sky stating that they've offered Atlantic to VM at a fair price? All I've seen from Sky is that Atlantic is "exclusive to Sky".

If it's available to other providers then what channel is it on on TopupTV? Talktalk TV? UPC Ireland?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You're not going to see Sky Atlantic on any other provider until it moves to the Variety pack. While it's free to all Sky subscribers it will be Sky-only.

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Hi Lew, two points to answer, Sky stated this when there was a meeting to discuss tv etc, and this was stated on DS, that this channel was offered to VM, cannot remember the date, but it was a couple of months ago.

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I see. Well, you can either believe Sky:

…or Virgin:

As I said before, if the price Sky want for the channel is so reasonable then why isn't it on any of the other digital TV platforms either?

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"Earlier this month Mike Darcey, BSkyB's chief operating officer, admitted the same thing but blamed Virgin Media for the failure to reach a carriage deal, claiming the cable operator wanted the channel "on the cheap"."

From the Guardian in Febuary

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...a-sky-atlantic

:)

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Then if they did agree to pay the fee Sky would say they want the HD on the Sky HD package and then moaner #1 and moaner #2 would say how poor VM's negotiations were and they should have got a cheaper deal for customers.

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Bottom line is that it is unlikely that Sky Atlantic will appear on VM any time soon.

And, of course, since those quotes, VM has said that they don't see it as a priority.

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I agree with that.

VM seems to have decided that launching new channels is not something they want to do which is why very few channels have appeared throughout its existance. I see no sign that they are going to change this policy any time soon. Therefore, people wanting more channels would need to get Sky as I think it will be a long time before any new channels appear on VM.

I think what annoys people most isn't so much the lack of new channels but the fact that they are happy for channels to close and not to be replaced and also that they are happy to remove channels but again not make any atempt to replace them. The best example of the latter is music channels. VM has removed six music channels in its existance and has not replaced any of them.

I would be interested to know why VM has decided that launching new channels is something they have chosen not to do.

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And in my mind they need to attract more tv customers not lose them and in not adding channels l believe this to be a big mistake in the long run.

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If I may bring some facts to this thread... Left column are ntl channels at the time of the merger; right column is now.

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0 EPGPrevw        0 Live Events
101 BBC ONE        100 On Demand
102 BBC TWO        101 BBC ONE
103 ITV1        102 BBC TWO
104 Channel4        103 ITV1
105 five        104 Channel4
106 ondemand        105 Channel 5
107 Preview        106 BBC THREE
109 PPV Events2        107 BBC FOUR
110 PPV Events        108 BBC ONE HD
112 EsportUK        109 Sky Living
113 Blmberg        110 Sky Liv HD
114 QVC        111 Sky Liv+1
115 iBuy        112 Sky Livit
116 MTV2        113 ITV1 HD
117 ITV2        114 ITV1 +1
118 ITV3        115 ITV2
120 Channel ntl        116 ITV2 +1
121 Sky News        117 ITV3
122 ITV4        118 ITV4
124 CNBC        121 Sky1
125 BBC NEWS        122 Sky1 HD
126 BBCTHREE        123 Sky2
127 BBC FOUR        124 Watch
128 BBC Parl        125 Watch +1
140 Sky One        126 GOLD
144 E4        127 GOLD +1
145 E4+1        128 Dave
161 abc1        129 Dave ja vu
165 QuizCall        130 Alibi
166 More4        131 Alibi +1
167 More4+1        132 Comedy
170 E!        133 ComCen HD
171 UKTVGdns        134 Comedy+1
172 VH2        135 Syfy
173 MotorsTV        139 Challenge
174 Horror        140 Chall+1
175 EuroNews        142 4 HD
177 Gems.tv        143 C4 +1
178 Avago        144 E4
190 Hallmark        145 E4 HD
200 FR Gu        146 E4 +1
289 FX        147 More 4
300 UKTVGold        148 CBS Reality
304 Disc. RT        149 horror
305 UKTVDram        150 Chan 5 HD
307 Challenge        151 5*
308 Chllng+1        152 5* +1
400 P.Comedy 1        153 5 USA
401 Living TV        154 5 USA +1
402 Sci-Fi        155 CurrentTV
403 TCM        156 E!
404 men&moto        157 FX
405 LIVING2        158 FX HD
406 Bravo        159 SkyLivLove
407 UKTV Sty        160 Sky Livit+1
408 Bravo +1        162 Universal
410 MUTV        163 Universal+1
422 ExtremeSpt        164 DivaTV
423 Setanta1        165 Syfy HD
424 CelticTV        166 Syfy +1
425 RangrsTV        167 S4C
500 Disc Ch        172 DMAX
501 Disc +1        174 ITV3 +1
502 CNN        175 ITV4 +1
503 Animal P        179 Quest
504 History        180 Pick TV
505 Nat Geo        185 ComedyX
506 UKTV Doc        187 BBC HD
508 Civilisa        188 BBC Alba
509 Disc T&L        189 True Ent
510 Science        203 YeSTERDAY
511 Comm Chl        206 Blighty
598 CBBC Chl        208 Eden
599 CBeebies        212 Discovery
600 CartoonN        213 Disc +1
601 Nick        214 Disc.HD
603 Trouble        215 Animal Plt
604 MTV UK        217 DiscHist
605 VH1 UK        219 Disc Sci
606 The Box        221 Disc Turbo
607 UKTVHist        228 NG Wild
608 Nick Jr        230 Nat Geo
609 MTV Base        231 NatG +1
610 MTV Hits        232 Nat Geo HD
611 VH1 Clsc        233 Community
612 Jetix        234 HISTORY
613 Boomeran        236 Military
614 B'rang+        237 Crime
615 BabyTV        242 Bio
633 Quiz        260 Good Food
634 iplay TV        261 Good Food+1
647 bid tv        265 Home
661 YES661        266 Home +1
697 Playhous        267 Really
698 Toon Dis        271 Disc RT
699 Disney +        272 DiscRT+1
700 Disney C        273 T Living
701 FILMFOUR        274 DiscShed
702 Sky Mov1        275 H Health
703 Sky Mov2        279 God Channel
704 Sky Cin1        281 Sky Arts1
705 Sky Mov3        282 SkyArts1HD
706 Sky Mov5        283 Sky Arts2
707 Sky Mov7        284 SkyArts2HD
709 Sky Mov4        300 V Music OD
710 Sky Mov6        310 MTVN HD
711 Sky Mov9        311 MTV
712 Sky Mov8        313 VIVA
713 Sky Cin2        315 MTV BASE
714 FILM4 +1        317 MTV HITS
715 FILM4 WE        319 MTV DANCE
719 Racing UK        320 VH1
721 SkySpts1        325 MTV ROCKS
722 SkySpts2        330 4Music
723 SkySpts3        335 The Box
730 GOD        336 Kiss
740 SET        337 Smash Hits
741 ZEE TV        338 Q
752 S4C        340 Magic
754 RTE One        342 Kerrang
755 RTE Two        400 Preview
760 PLAYBOY        401 SkyPrem
761 AdultPrv        402 SkyPrem+1
762 T.V.X        403 SkyShowcse
801 Adv.1        404 SkyComedy
802 Biograph        405 SkyAction
803 Teachers        406 SkyFamily
804 Disc.H&H        407 Sky Thrillr
805 Wings        408 SkyDraRom
806 NatGeo+1        409 SkySciFi
807 Hstory+1        410 SkyModern
808 UKTVFood        411 SkyClass
809 UKTV People        412 SkyIndie
810 UKTV ST+1        415 TCM
811 Esport 2        419 Movies 24
812 SkySptsN        420 Movies 24+
814 100% Babes        424 TrueMov1
815 Kiss        428 Film4
816 Magic        429 Film4 HD
817 SmashHit        430 Film4 +1
818 Q        431 SkyPremHD
819 Kerrang!        433 SkyShowHD
820 MTV Dnce        434 SkyComHD
825 Disc Kid        435 SkyActnHD
826 Jetix+1        436 SkyFamHD
827 NickRply        437 SkyThlrHD
828 Nicktoon        438 SkyDramHD
829 UKTVG2+1        439 SkyScFiHD
830 UKTV G2        440 SkyMGtsHD
831 RHClimax        442 SkyIndiHD
832 Xplicit        445 Cinemoi
835 SPICE        470 Adult Prev
836 RH 40+        473 TVX PPN
837 RH Wives        475 PBTV PPN
838 Gay TV        477 Adult PPN
839 RhA-Girl        478 ExGF PPN
840 B4U Mov        480 UKS PPN
841 B4U Mus        481 Wives PPN
842 StarPlus        482 RHAMA PPN
843 StarNews        484 XplPPN
844 PCNE        490 TVX
845 TV5        495 Playboy
847 ARY        497 Adult Chan
848 Zee Cine        511 SkySpts1
849 Zee Mus        512 SkySpts2
853 S4C2        513 SkySpts3
855 IDEALWLD        514 SkySpts4
856 Pricedrp        515 SkySpNews
858 BBC R1        517 SkySptsHD1
859 1Xtra BBC        518 SkySptsHD2
860 BBC R2        521 Eurosport
861 BBC R3        522 EuroSp HD
862 BBC R4FM        523 EuroSp 3D
863 BBC5Live        525 Eurosport2
864 BBC 5LSX        527 Extreme
865 BBC 6Mus        528 MUTV
866 BBC 7        529 ESPN
867 BBCAsian        530 ESPN HD
868 BBC WS        531 ESPN Am
869 BBC Scot        533 ESPN Clas
870 BBCWales        534 attheraces
871 BBC Ulst        536 Racing UK
872 Primetme        544 LFCTV
873 Magic R        545 Motors TV
874 TheArrow        601 BBC News
875 UCB Euro        602 Sky News
876 Smooth FM        607 CNN
877 ClsscFM        609 Bloomberg
878 Q Radio        612 BBC Parl
879 CoreRdio        613 CNBC
880 Planet R        620 euronews
881 chill        701 CBBC
882 FUN Radio        702 CBeebies
883 Heart FM        703 Baby TV
884 TheHitsR        704 Cartoon
885 Century        705 CN Too
886 Prem Chr        706 Cartoonito
887 Galaxy        707 Disney XD
888 CapRad        708 DisneyXD+1
889 CapDsney        712 Nick
890 CptlGold        713 NickReplay
891 XFM        715 Nick Jnr
892 Virgin R        716 Nick Jr 2
893 Oneword        717 Nicktoons
894 R.Kiss        724 Disney
895 RKerrang        725 Disney+1
896 RSmshhts        727 Disney Jr
897 BBCCymru        728 DisneyCin
898 BBC RnG        730 Boomerang
899 talkSPORT        731 Boomerang+1
900 PremPlus        734 CITV
902 PrmPlus2        737 Tiny Pop
903 Toonami        740 QVC
904 UKTVGd+1        741 pricedrop
905 TDC        742 BDirect
906 Alpha Punj        745 bid tv
907 Thane        746 speed tv
908 Atr        747 Ideal World
909 RealityTV        755 Gems TV
910 The Hits        756 JewelleryM
911 TMF        802 Star News
913 UKTVB Id        803 Star Plus
914 F tn        805 SET Asia
917 NASN        806 MAX
918 DisneyCin        809 Zee TV
921 ClasFMTV        810 Zee Cine
922 LivTV+1        812 Zee Pun
923 StopShop        815 B4U Movies
924 speedauc        816 B4U Music
925 Channel 7        818 ARY
926 BBC1 Eng        825 TV5
927 BBC1 Sct        826 COLORS
928 BBC1 NI        851 BBC 1 AD
929 BBC1 Wal        852 BBC 2 AD
930 Sky Two        853 ITV AD
931 Sky Trvl        854 C4 AD
932 Sky TrvlX        855 Chan 5 AD
933 Bliss        856 S4C AD
934 Scuzz        861 BBC1 Eng
935 Flaunt        862 BBC1 Sco
936 P.Comedy 2        863 BBC1 NI
937 TAC        864 BBC1 Wal
950 SS Xtra        865 BBC2 Eng
951 BBC2 Eng        870 ITV1 Anglia
952 ITV1(AD)        871 ITV1 Mer
953 C4 (AD)        875 RTE One
980 Hustler TV UK        876 RTE Two
                              877 TG4
                                  879 Channel7
                                  901 BBC R1
                                  902 BBC R2
                                  903 BBC R3
                                  904 BBC R4
                                  905 BBC R5L
                                  906 BBC WS
                                  907 BBC R1X
                                  908 BBC R5SX
                                  909 BBC 6Mus
                                  910 BBC R4 Ex
                                  911 BBC 4LW
                                  912 BBC Asian
                                  914 UCB
                                  915 Absolute
                                  916 smooth fm
                                  917 RTE Radio
                                  918 Heart FM
                                  919 LBC News
                                  920 WRN
                                  922 Classic FM
                                  924 Planet Rock
                                  927 talkSPORT
                                  928 Magic Radio
                                  930 BBC RScot
                                  931 BBC RWales
                                  932 BBC RUlster
                                  934 BBC RGael
                                  936 BBC RCymru
                                  937 BBCLdn94.9
                                  951 Absolute80s
                                  952 AbClassR
                                  958 Capital FM
                                  959 Gold
                                  963 Kiss FM
                                  965 XFM
                                  969 Choice FM
                                  973 LBC 97.3
                                  974 Sunrise
                                  998 PIN Help
                                  999 Virgin iD

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I make that a net gain of 42 channels, and that's not counting the 14 Sky Sports Red Button streams. Ex-Telewest regions had fewer channels than ntl so have gained even more.

Re: Itv2 hd
 

But perhaps you forgot to remember that prices have risen massively as well, of course things have improved since the NTL/TELEWEST days but you have to keep on improving and adding more channels as Sky will not stand still.

Re: Itv2 hd
 

That's not really true, though.

Re: Itv2 hd
 

Any proof or substantiation to that DF.:erm::erm:

---------- Post added at 13:46 ---------- Previous post was at 13:44 ----------

By the way l could do with your help on whether to move to a new bundle DF so maybe l should be nicer to you.

Re: Itv2 hd
 

Den while I agree with you there is content out there that VM don't carry that's readily available on freesat , I can't agree with you in regards to VM competing on the channel front with Sky. BSKYB will always have a superior range of content to VM in much the same way as VM broadband will always be streets ahead of Sky's ADSL. BSKYB charge £10.25 which goes to funding the 54 HD channels available were VM offer a range of HD channels free so will never compete on HD content , this probably why they went down the TIVO route for OD , Internet apps and extra features to Sky+ to offer a completely different experience.

Re: Itv2 hd
 

Very nice of you to disagree with me for once but thats what this forum is all about in people having differing opinions.

Re: Itv2 hd
 

Well, you made the claim, so you should back yours up ;)

Re: Itv2 hd
 

Yes but two-thirds of those channels are HD simulcasts of existing channels. I know this thread was originally about ITV2 HD appearing on VM but I'm talking about new channels and not HD simulcasts of existing channels and when you take out HD simulcasts the number is not that much more than ten channel additions.

Re: Itv2 hd
 

Thank you so in truth they have not added much but have increased prices far faster then adding new channels.

---------- Post added at 14:39 ---------- Previous post was at 14:38 ----------

Perhaps you need to back your claim up DF.:erm::erm:

Re: Itv2 hd
 

What the basic problem here is that VM are running a company, and they decide what they want to have, NOT the customer.

They want channels that ARE going to be watched, they know that customers are complaining about no existance of channels that want to be watched.

They do want channels on the cheap, purely to save them money, Sky are a business and not a charity, so cannot give channels away cheaply, VM don't like this, and this is why they had the aggro over the basic's, Its about time that VM board of directors put the customers first, as at the end of the day ITS US who pays the bill.

Re: Itv2 hd
 

It sounds like the Chuckle Brothers, Between you two at the moment:erm: "To Me, To You":D:D:D:D

Re: Itv2 hd
 

And increasingly large bills at that.

---------- Post added at 14:47 ---------- Previous post was at 14:45 ----------

:)l am profoundly moved that you have compared me to the Chuckle Brothers whether DF is moved by that comparison is another matter.:):):)

Re: Itv2 hd
 

They will be Den if you keep adding services :D You subscribe to Sky Sports and Movies with premium HD so price increases here are down to Sky and not VM.

Re: Itv2 hd
 

Erm :erm:

Re: Itv2 hd
 

Thats why l am thinking of taking a new bundle to see if l can get more bang for my buck.

Re: Itv2 hd
 

You said bills had gone up "massively", i'm mearly asking you to prove they have. :)

Re: Itv2 hd
 

My bill was 50.00 two years ago now its is over 100.00 pounds per month so l think that says everything thats why l am thinking about going on to a new bundle so that l can get more bang for my buck.:(:(

Re: Itv2 hd
 

You've added services though :)

What I'm getting at, is the price per item hasn't gone up "massively", it's the fact of a £1 here and there, plus you've upgraded :)

Didn't BenMcr already advise you, that you'd be better off on a VIP bundle?