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Well, installed, signals fine, all ok on that score....
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Upstream ChannelsTracing route to cache1.service.virginmedia.net [194.168.4.100] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 21 ms 12 ms 12 ms cpc5-mort6-2-0-gw.croy.cable.virginmedia.com [94.173.220.1] 2 12 ms 11 ms 25 ms mort-geam-1a-ge115.network.virginmedia.net [81.96.225.25] 3 12 ms 17 ms 9 ms croy-core-1a-tenge81-490.network.virginmedia.net [62.30.242.41] 4 13 ms 21 ms 38 ms croy-sm-1-ge145.network.virginmedia.net [86.28.89.18] 5 9 ms 12 ms 23 ms cache1.service.virginmedia.net [194.168.4.100] Ping statistics for 194.168.4.100: Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 11ms, Maximum = 126ms, Average = 28ms https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/138.png https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/139.png Any thoughts you guys? It's ok either way, still feels fairly responsive, suspect there's a bit of congestion on the upstream. |
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Maybe give it a day or two to settle down?
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Software Version V5.5.2R26 System Up Time 0 days 01h:17m:54s Network Access Allowed I can't think what exactly will change in the next couple of days to make any difference to the performance. It's synched to the network at 4 x 55.6Mbit/s down, 1 x 10.24Mbit/s up, it is authorised to access the network and is provisioned at 53Mbit/s down, 1.75Mbit/s up, it's on the most recent version of firmware, what is there left that a day or two will change? EDIT: Firewall features, Port Scan Detection, IP Flood Detection are disabled. |
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can you keep a live link going on your graph? it be interesting to see what the weekend is like but you seem on a rough port ignition :(
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You've just had it connected, it may become more stable after a couple of days.
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Cable doesn't need time to stablise. It should work out of the box.
As you sau Igni, looks like upstream congestion. You'll have a better idea tomorrow aftyer the graphs had time to populate. |
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yeah common isp reply/excuse for poor performing new installs "give it time". In my area friday nights are the best weekday nights as people go out, but obviously different areas will have variable patterns.
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This isn't ADSL, it's not going to rate adapt to try and find the most stable frequencies. I have never had to give any of a Terayon Terajet 210 on 512k, an Ambit 100 on 1Mbit, an Ambit 120 on 3Mbit, a VM 256 on 20Mbit or a VMNG300 on 50Mbit a couple of days to stabilise. Would appreciate it if you could put a bit of meat on those bones rather than 'it may become more stable after a couple of days.' It's a fresh install, new cable pull, everything should be fastened nice and tightly and is going by the power levels. ---------- Post added at 20:50 ---------- Previous post was at 20:49 ---------- Quote:
I'm not that bothered, I just welcome opinions as it's always easy to troubleshoot other people and just as easy to be blinkered to your own issues. |
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ignition curious question, given that VM is cheap and all.
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As above troubleshooting other people is easy; yourself however always wise to get second opinions in my experience. |
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in my view the modem side of the superhub is fine, I dont think its the cause of your issue. But I havent used it on the 50mbit service. A vmng300 would probably show lower latency/jitter tho but also along with bursts of bigger spikes when congestion gets too much as well as occasional bursts of packet loss. For speedtests I find the vmng300 made no difference but did affect things like web browsing speed and streaming performance.
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This however I don't find acceptable.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/136.png Nor this: https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/137.png You gotta laugh :D |
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ignition see when you the victim it looks a bit different?
I hope it either resolves itself or you get it fixed via complaints. Remember how bad mine was in jan and then the the extenct of the improvement between then and march. |
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That's pants! I take it you've checked no change in powerlevels?
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just tested london and can confirm that itself is working ok. So is local VM issue I expect for you :( take a drive down to UBR tonight?
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I'll see what the Samknows box I forgot I had has to say before I get too indignant. I suspect the reading isn't accurate as at that speed pages should load like sludge but aren't. |
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How about jitter like this Chrys? ;)
Pinging 194.168.4.100 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=735ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=750ms TTL=251 Request timed out. Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=251 Ping statistics for 194.168.4.100: Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 9, Lost = 1 (10% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 15ms, Maximum = 750ms, Average = 192ms |
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yep thats too high in my book. Sorry if you disagree but when I last had jitter that high it accompanied speed issues. The way VM run their network I dont think you would get that high jitter without speed issues.
mine below 2 mins ago taken. C:\>ping -n 10 bbc.co.uk Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.138] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=117 Reply from 212.58.224.138: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=117 ---------- Post added at 21:32 ---------- Previous post was at 21:32 ---------- for the dns server. C:\>ping -n 10 194.168.4.100 Pinging 194.168.4.100 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=252 Ping statistics for 194.168.4.100: Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 6ms, Maximum = 9ms, Average = 7ms |
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Sorry Igni, couldn't resist.:D:D
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ping 194.168.4.100 Pinging 194.168.4.100 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=239 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=239 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=239 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=239 Ping statistics for 194.168.4.100: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 15ms, Maximum = 16ms, Average = 15ms |
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also you seem to have packetloss on docsis3? going from bad to worse.
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Pinging 194.168.4.100 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=252 Ping statistics for 194.168.4.100: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 8ms, Maximum = 19ms, Average = 11ms and thats with a superdud on wifi!!! |
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Like Igni I'm finding it humourous ATM. It will be interesting to see what excuses VM give him.
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Never mind... welcome Igni to VM :)
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was that raised by you? the start time is not long ago. :)
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You could nip down to the UBR and give them a hand!:D:D
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Personally speed tests are pointless. Anytime I check I don't always get my 50mb down but it's always 5mb up. However when downloading stuff it sits around 6mbps and that's via wireless so that's all that matters really. . |
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Please do remember I am not someone who came in off the street. If you're going to ask me to ignore substandard performance for two days without any kind of explanation I'm generally not going to be too receptive. To be perfectly honest without any kind of explanation that wasn't advice it was a brush off. ---------- Post added at 22:51 ---------- Previous post was at 22:48 ---------- Quote:
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I posed the question due to this reply not to posit advice has to be correct all the time.
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Erm, I am a member of the CFT, but I am not a network engineer.....:D
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I'm not a network engineer either!
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I wasn't going to mention that. :D
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Load lower, pings lower, speeds higher.
Ping statistics for 194.168.4.100: Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 9ms, Maximum = 27ms, Average = 15ms https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/134.png It seems extremely likely this is a capacity issue and secondary to the reported fault. |
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Nah it's the modem "settling down" :)
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As you well know the probability of that is high. Due to the fault though the TBB graph won't be of much help until the fault has been resolved, although it may be now.
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There is also such a thing as uninformed advice, but enough of the semantics. |
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Ping statistics for 194.168.4.100: Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 8ms, Maximum = 24ms, Average = 11ms The fault didn't affect me, this is a capacity issue for right now. It's nothing serious, yet, will see if it affects my X-Box later. |
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You'll all be pleased to know it's settling in beautifully.
http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/res...502&v=12760847 Download Speed: 25814 kbps (3226.8 KB/sec ) Upload Speed: 228 kbps (28.5 KB/sec ) Tried the standard speedtest.net test but, err, it wouldn't run. |
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http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/res...223&v=12761469
there is a problem with speedtest recently, i was on it the other day, and the page loaded, but there was no map, or servers!?! |
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OK I'm content that it's a capacity problem. The TBB graph appears to imply it and the latency now has also gone up.
Ping statistics for 194.168.4.100: Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 99, Lost = 1 (1% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 8ms, Maximum = 1363ms, Average = 34ms The one saving grace for the day is that it's a rugby day so lots of people are getting wasted and watching the game rather than using their broadbandings, which is good given I'm stuck working. Thanks all, I'll take this up with VM directly and having it confirmed / denied along with any applicable fault references. I do not expect it to be fixed until the network overbuild and DOCSIS 2 upgrade as there's very little point. EDIT: By the way just to clarify distances that DNS server is a few miles away at the RHE: Tracing route to cache1.service.virginmedia.net [194.168.4.100] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 28 ms 10 ms 13 ms cpc5-mort6-2-0-gw.croy.cable.virginmedia.com [94.173.220.1] 2 11 ms 11 ms 9 ms mort-geam-1a-ge115.network.virginmedia.net [81.96.225.25] 3 16 ms 26 ms 22 ms croy-core-1a-tenge81-490.network.virginmedia.net [62.30.242.41] 4 22 ms 26 ms 26 ms croy-sm-1-ge145.network.virginmedia.net [86.28.89.18] 5 18 ms 15 ms 13 ms cache1.service.virginmedia.net [194.168.4.100] And to eliminate LAN side, pings from tools.virginmedia.com PING 94.173.220. (94.173.220.) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 94.173.220.: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=33.8 ms 64 bytes from 94.173.220.: icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=19.1 ms 64 bytes from 94.173.220.: icmp_seq=3 ttl=58 time=15.4 ms 64 bytes from 94.173.220.: icmp_seq=4 ttl=58 time=39.4 ms 64 bytes from 94.173.220.: icmp_seq=5 ttl=58 time=41.0 ms --- 94.173.220. ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4002ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 15.414/29.770/41.012/10.540 ms |
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It was rather obvious that capacity would be the cause and I rather think you knew it in the first place.:D
Do let us know what VM say about it. |
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Oh while I'm at it the Superhub is a disaster. After falling over yesterday and requiring a reboot it has locked up twice so far today, disconnecting me from VPN / VoIP. The first time it required a power cycle, the second it sorted itself out after a couple of minutes of being unresponsive.
So, yes, an install delayed by a month and when it finally does happen the VoD doesn't work properly, the broadband is congested and is being delivered by unstable CPE that is on current rates becoming unresponsive once every 3 hours. It's going to be quite funny when the people at VM who were helping me call to see how everything is going. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/131.png |
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Queue Masque et al telling you that they have no problems and it's good kit! https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/12/3.gif |
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whoops, i might have started world war 3 here |
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I generally operate on the premise Craig that the service should always be faster than the tier below, IE 50Mb should always outperform 30Mb.
In any event not even hitting 30% isn't acceptable. |
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glad I didnt start a conflict :D it looks pretty poo to me :) |
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Welcome back to Virgin Media Igni - I feel for you here I have had my fair share of poor service from Virgin...
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I use http://www.comhem.se/comhem/bredband...2/-/index.html as an example of how to do it - quoting a speed range with the minimum being the speed of the next tier below.
By that measure I'm currently a 20Mb XL customer getting 65% of max, or an L customer getting a bonus 33%. Unfortunately I can't do much to help myself due to the Superhub being nailed down. ---------- Post added at 15:50 ---------- Previous post was at 15:47 ---------- Quote:
I'm sure it'll get resolved, so it's no biggie. As far as the Superhub goes... I know you can see what I'm typing, as you are doing your impression of routing on it. I know it's not your fault, it's the abysmal firmware you're being forced to run. You'll get something that wasn't written by a thousand monkeys hitting a thousand keyboards soon. ---------- Post added at 16:03 ---------- Previous post was at 15:50 ---------- It evidently didn't like that, it became unresponsive again and required a power cycle. I did the extremely uncommon and rare activity of trying to browse a directory on my NAS. Class device. |
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ROFL is this what once working for them has done to you... You have resulted in talking nicely to the hardware :) :walk: |
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I really have better things to do than waste my time with their flow charts. The capacity issue is probably a long way beyond them. I foresee an accident involving the Superhub and a provocative amount of electricity though. |
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I never wasted my time with them when I had capacity issues as cannot action nothing - retentions who put you through to second line works better ;)
Have you had a look here to see if your UBR is showing high load? http://ukinternetreport.co.uk/cmts/ |
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Sadly that won't show anything Tazz, the problem is between me and the CMTS, that report only shows between his server and the CMTS.
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As I posted when that link appeared on here.
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Get onto your contacts and get a VMNG300. Its the only way to be sure.
The inability for the Superhub to handle LAN traffic and its poor wireless is unforgivable. VM have not acknowledged any of these issues so I doubt any sort of fix is due. They seem to be relying on modem mode to make the complaints about them stop, but not everyone will want to pony up for a router just to avoid the pile of pants that is the 'Super'hub. If they are offering a combined product, it should actually work. Mine was a regular reboot needer and wireless dropout, but luckily I had a VMNG300 lying around. |
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My experience is clearly exceptionally bad due to the reloads. Other people are obviously having better experiences. I never actually said that that thing was fine, merely its concept, I have always criticised the execution. I fully expect that I am exacerbating the issues due to the amount of devices I have connected. I'm going to try a little workaround on this shortly. |
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ignition it was a serious question I wasnt been sarcastic. Obviously for yourself the superhub is a shambles but my question was do you still think its a fair product for the customer base as a whole like you said before you had tried it.
I can assure you if I write to my MP its very different to how I am on internet forums. Prior to going live you had posted at least a few times to unhappy customers they should accept the service for what it is due to its low cost (or leave) and that VM are right to concentrate on just keeping the lowest denominator happy, this is why I made that comment and an earlier one before it. I agree with the point you made here that at the very least it should run faster than the lower speed tier below it. But you already know that so I apologise if my question offended you. |
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No worries but I stand by all the rest. Doesn't change that 13Mbit out of 50Mbit isn't acceptable to any denominator.
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you posted on VM forums? to see if raised as high utilisation.
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Yes I have.
Pubs are closing up, post-rugby boozing session is done. Pinging 194.168.4.100 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=223ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=122ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=251 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=114ms TTL=251 http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/res...942&v=12765306 Download Speed: 10265 kbps (1283.1 KB/sec ) Upload Speed: 1168 kbps (146 KB/sec ) |
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downloading alpha windows 8 of a torrent and here is mine whilst doing that.
Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=252 Reply from 194.168.4.100: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=252 |
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Rebooted Superhub twice so far this morning. Looks like it could be an hourly event!
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Sadly no, not correlated, it's not precisely hourly and it was fine overnight, while unused, even though the SK kit would have been doing its thing throughout. I am placing it under rather limited load, as I can't max out the full 50Mbps, which it seems to take exception to. Anyway I'm going to stop reporting the reloads as I think it can be taken as read that the network is dodgy and the CPE is banal. |
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I apologise for my signature, please don't any VM staff on the forum take it to heart, it's nothing personal! :)
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whats wrong with the sig, looks fine to me :D
glad you getting the message out that its wrong for VM to be pushing out and upgrading areas for 100mbit etc. and have other areas needing work to even supply what they selling. |
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I was actually referring to http://onewayinternet.blogspot.com/2...k-thought.html - I put a more complete post on afterwards.
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Badly. The TBB monitor tells you what you need to know. Warped like a female dog, lagged like a prostitute.
Remembering I live in Twickenham without the rugby to keep the load down it sucks. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...08-05-2011.png |
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that graph looks rough to say the least.
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I am sorry for your loss, you have been here with VM before though. As you can see, they haven't changed.
I had no issues at all with them though until October. |
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"Yep it's all great apart from that the broadband is appalling, the Superhub needed 6 reboots yesterday and the VoD doesn't work properly. Phone line and linear TV fabulous though - those bits that purely by coincidence don't rely on the network's return path..." |
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Yes that's true, it's not like Telewest have ever done any upgrade beyond node splits on this area and even those the majority were done by VM, they've just shoved more and more down, and up, the cables. |
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Just a thought here, im wondering if the superhubs are suffering a similar problem to what we saw between VMNG300, Ambit 256 and the Motorolla BSRs initally.
I dont mean an issue where people disconnect, but what we seem to be seeing is some areas suffering with people on the superhubs and others not and it was the same with the ambit modems and Motorolla BSRs. I know of 5 people here now on the superhub in Swansea and neither seem to be having a problem. I know of 2 people in Essex and neither having a problem. |
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regardless of BSR, they cant be blamed for its LAN side issues.
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I blame the Superhub for my needing to reboot it 6 times yesterday, I blame the network for the dubious performance.
It being some kind of compatibility issue makes no sense given that performance drops substantially during peak periods. |
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vmng300 on the way yet?
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No call from CEO's office, no response on forums or from Twitter team yet.
Don't have time to chase right now, or to be frank the inclination. |
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Feel like you're getting the "fob off" Igni or have they just put you on their ignore list?
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Actually I had my call, she was very, very good and offered to put me through to UK tech support which obviously I couldn't do as at work.
She told me that any time I could call her and she'd assist and transfer me, very, very impressed. Issue with latency has been confirmed as upstream congestion. |
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I thought we'd all agreed it was upstream congestion, nice to have it confirmed though. |
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