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I was going to work this morning and reading a paper, when l heard ' Out the way' looked up, and there was this damn cyclist on the pavement, making me move out of the way as he wanted to pass.
I felt that should l push him off, or stand in his way and let him hit me. Who has right of way on the pavement, him or me, or have they never heard of the road.:mad: |
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You. He should be on the road - Highway Code rule 64.
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next time stick your elbow out accidentally of course.
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You have right of way - however, you also have the responsibility to be looking where you are going (reading the paper whilst walking may restrict this ability....).
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Some pavements are shared use.
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We also have a lot of Cycle tracks on pavements - usually they are separated by a white line and pedestrians & cyclists should be aware of which side of the line is theirs (but often don't - as a pedestrian and a cyclist I have been victim to that).
There are also some shared use paths that are only single track - where the pedestrian surely has right of way? If of course it was just a pavement then the cyclist is totally in the wrong - get those elbows going Arthur |
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I try and avoid roads when I'm on my bike, too many big trucks trying to make you a splat on the tarmac, i try and avoid pavements too and go cross country, but I must admit to feeling an awful lot safer on the pavement than in the road.
I do wonder what will happen in the future, as you see more and more of these mobility scooter thngies out and about. and they're everywhere, road, pavement, in shops etc. And whilst not undermining anyone who genuinely needs one of these things, I do see a trend where more and more younger, fit bodied types use them as 'alternative transport' to get about on. |
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I know what I said in reply to the little snot who didn't even warn me he was on the pavement while I had my back to him..and I was 25 years younger and 8 months pregnant at the time..He was lucky not to get a slap as well.As it was I had to sit on a neighbour's wall for some considerable time to recover.
All bikes should be licensed so you can at least report the prats.:mad: |
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Ah, obnoxious & dangerous cyclists...
There have been plenty of times I've seen cyclists shoot through red lights at pedestrian crossings (whether clear of pedestrians or not), and plenty of times I've seen cyclists cut people up (including myself) on pedestrian-only pavements. Reminds me of this recent story: Is dangerous cycling a problem? Quote:
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I've seen a few accidents caused by this irresponsible behaviour, in fact the last time this happened (being at the junction opposite - with a clear view) I deliberately came forward as a witness to make sure that the cyclist concerned was brought to book. :shocked: In fact he tried to escape but was quickly stopped by a community support officer who just happened to be in the right place at the right time. :D There's justice for you - obviously one of those more satisfying moments. :D Si thee :Sprint: |
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There are two sides to this problem of cycling on the pavement and on the road.
1) By cycling on the pavement, you are in danger of doing many things, one you can knock someone down, and seriously injure them, you can knock someone down who may have an injury already or even expecting, so who can you claim damages off - no one. 2) If a cyclist is on the road and an accident happens, and the cyclist gets injured in a car accident or gets squashed up against a lorry or car - so you can claim damages. What about going through red lights and causing accidents then whose fault is it. I have seen cyclist go up to the red lights, cycle on the pavement go across the road and rejoin the road further up, In London they tried out a scheme where igf you cycled through a red light, you would be stopped and fined. To me when you buy a cycle (Adults) you have to sign a document, saying you obtain insurance within sat 7 days, like you do with a Tv, you need a licence. So if a cyclist has an accident, you can sue. To me |
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Complain to Hounslow and/or Europe on this one. European law on cycle paths, implemented locally.
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What European law on cycle paths?
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A friend of mine now carries a rolled-up brolley in all weathers after being hit once too often by cyclists. If one gets too close now he readies himself to thrust the brolley through one of their wheels, and makes it obvious that this is what he intends to do.
Cyclists now avoid him. |
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I regulary commute by bike and I'm all in favour of there being some system of testing cyclists before they're allowed on the road. I'm not talking about the cycling proficiency test when you're 8 or 9.
The cyclists many of you refer to give the rest of cyclists a bad name. They're a danger to themselves and to other road users. This is the time of year you see most of them appear. The weather improves, the waistline has expanded over the winter, the summer holiday in Benidorm is soon...... I'll get the bike out of the shed and endanger my own and other lives!!! |
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Just FYI there are exceptions for cycling on pavements, Posties are one. I don't know if there are others. Or at least thats what we have been told though I notice there is no mention in Dereks link so I have my doubts now.
Though there are obvious exceptions and rules which we are supposed to follow e.g. right of way, maximum speed and maximum distance to destination etc. |
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As for cycle lanes, well, after Ken Livingstone's push to get people cycling, we have two cycle sheds (each with room for 3 cycles), neither of which has ever seen a cycle AFAIK, on one of our main roads. We also have (on another main road), a cycle lane at the edge of the road, painted green leading to a cycle priority "box" (I don't know what they are called, but they allow cyclists to sit between the cars and the lights at traffic lights), which only seems to serve the function of confusing car drivers. |
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Another common occurrence in Cambridge (in addition to many cyclists jumping red lights, or cycling on pavements) is to cycle with no lights when it's dark... dangerous for themselves *and* for others (especially combined with the red light jumping or the pavement cycling).
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All cyclists should have to pass a riding test for a licence have to get an mot for their bicycles and pay road tax and insurance because as road users they are just as liable as any other road user but without any of the above which is crazy. Each bike should have a number plate as per other road vehicles as well. |
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If this does come about it will be because of the idiots not the person who abides by the law but even some so called law abiding cyclists in all the gear will still take risks and illegal shortcuts just to shave a few seconds of their journey. Also if the is an accident and it was caused by the cyclist how do we claim from them and why should my insurance pay out for something they caused. Look to your fellow cyclists first as they are the problem as to many think that they can do what they want without any regard for other road users or even pedestrians. |
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Increased lunacy from cyclists? Surely the "lunacy" is just the same as it has been for years.
The obvious way to encourage cyclists to obey the law would be for the police to actually enforce the laws as they relate to cyclists. While they're at it they can enforce the laws on mobile phone use in cars. |
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Folk cross the road when the green man isn't on, cyclists cycle through red lights. Both put themselves in slight danger so what's the difference?
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Doesn't help when cars go through on amber/red when there is a very small margin of time to go from a side road (without traffic lights) across a junction (when the lights are all on red). The side road is so narrow pedestrians blithely walk down the middle. :dozey:
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If I cross the road when the green man is not on, it is only when I can see that the road is clear in both directions and it is safe to cross (Green Cross Code and all that). If I or another pedestrian were to cross when it isn't safe, it's a potential danger not just to the pedestrian but also to others. it's stupid and should not be done. Many times I have seen cyclists jump red lights even though pedestrians are crossing. That doesn't just put the cyclist in "slight danger", it puts the pedestrians in danger. Just as when they cycle on the pavement & cut up pedestrians, it isn't simply "slight danger" for the cyclist, it is danger for the pedestrian. Also, when cyclists go through red lights, I believe they are actually violating the Highway Code? Ditto for cycling on foot-only pavements? |
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In the BBC article that Matt linked to earlier, someone stated that cyclists run the red light to get a 'head start' to avoid being left-hooked by cars or lorries turning left. As someone who does a lot of cycling this just strikes me as incredibly stupid. What you do to avoid being left-hooked is the following:
When you come to an intersection and the light is red. You either move to the box in front, if there is one, or you take your place in the queue in the *middle* of the lane so you are clearly visible, and a car will have to run you over squarely rather than left hook you. When the light goes green, you move with the traffic and stay in the middle of the lane until you reach the point where there is no risk of left-turning traffic. Only then do you move to the left to make way for other traffic. At the speeds around traffic lights, you will not be moving much slower than cars (well, they might have to wait a little), but it's much safer all round. Both for yourself and pedestrians/other traffic that don't expect a cyclist to come sailing through a red light. I never run red lights. It's stupid, and gives cyclists a bad name. /lecture over |
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That's not something I see regularly, unlike seeing cyclists jump red lights, cycle on pavements, or cycle with no lights on...
Cambridge has an very high number of cyclists. Locals, students, tourists, etc. Many are perfectly fine, cycle safely, obey the Highway Code, etc. But many others are an absolute menace, and give the rest a bad name (as well as endanger themselves and pedestrians)... I dislike Cambridge's dangerous cyclists because they have given me good reason to do so, many times. |
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Of course being a law abiding member of society I'd never dream of sneaking through a red light on my bike :erm:
I can however see why this is justified in some cases. If a cyclist can go through to avoid cars turning left I'm all for it. That said there are some cyclists who are an absolute menace on the roads. |
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What people don't realise, you can be fined £30.00 for cycling on a pavement, to me it should be double.
The reason why, they are a bloody menace, you see them cycling and using a phone, doing 'wheeley' abusing the public by making them move out the way, and all the time on the pavement. |
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I cycle, I walk and I drive, I agree that there are many nuisance cyclists and something needs to be done, BUT don't get holier than thou! Pedestrians do things they shouldn't, do we fine them? Motorists can be a nuisance, there are punishments for this, but does it stop the behaviour?
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Let me make a point here, IF a cyclist knock someone down, that person has a job and a family, that person who has been knocked down, cannot work, who looks after the family, fining cyclist is the only answer.
There has to be a solution to stop this problem - any answer's. |
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I have seen someone walking listening to music player cross cycle path, they looked straight at me and didn't stop............so being the cyclist on cycle path it would be my fault?
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When I'm driving I hate bad cyclists and pedestrians.
When I'm cycling I hate bad drivers and pedestrians. When I'm walking I hate bad drivers and cyclists. I also read the daily mail. :D |
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So true... CONVERSATION STOPPER FOR YA.... :tu: Chris.. |
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I was knocked over by a cyclist when I was walking across a pelican crossing showing the green man. The cyclist paused for a second the resumed his journey, after about another 100 metres up the road, he dismounted, looked at me, shouted some abuse and then went along on his journey again.
I just can't get over the belief by some (not all) cyclists that the are never in the wrong. I've also seen it while i've been on the bus at one busy crossroad of another, cyclist goes straight on over red light, only to be caught in the middle of 40MPH+ traffic. What get's my goat about this situation is that one accident and the speed limit will no doubt be reduced like it's the car's fault for going to fast. No one has a god given right to the road or pavements, abiding by rules and laws, together with having good manners make coexistence possible. One group making excuses for their behavior, or thinking they are superior to another group is what starts to stir up trouble and hatred towards another group. |
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I nearly got hit by a cyclist last week on Newport Rd in Cardiff, the little green man lit up, all 3 lanes of traffic stopped and I started to cross from the central reservation. As I walked across in front of the last vehicle a cyclist shot up the inside of the vehicle closest to the kerb, I stopped and made sure he had to. I was also walking down the Blaenavon to Pontypool section of my local cycling track about a month ago, it's a steady downward gradient and cyclists tend to get up some speed. Every now and then I look over my shoulder to see if any cyclists are coming. I was walking at the edge of the track an could hear a cyclist ringing his/her bell, I took no notice because I assumed the cyclist just wanted to make me aware he/her was approaching. I was wrong, it ended up with a few verbals because it was actually 2 cyclists who expected me to get off the track so I didn't inconvenience their side by side cycling. It didn't happen of course because I wouldn't move, the cycle path rules state that cyclists should give way to pedestrians and expect to dismount their bikes if necessary. I also hope to see an end to all the red cycle boxes at junctions that seemed to be introduced during the Labour governments reign. I have never understood why councils would encourage congestion by reserving a place at the front of the queue for the slowest. |
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Are you allowed to take your form of transport onto all roads? I'm limited by law and not allowed to use the busiest and most expensive to build/maintan road. Unless we have a fairer system of road tax then my argument is valid. If you're suggesting motorcyclist shouln't pay road tax then I could have sympathy for that argument. If you're suggesting another argument of reduced road tax for single use drivers with multiple vehicles then I could see your point but we'd be going off topic there. ;) |
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Take an Umbrella out with u and if he passes again "Accidently" stick in the spokes of his front wheel lol.
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Same here, I've seen this too. I get to the traffic lights and come to a stop. Mr cyclist behind me decides the lights don't apply to him and sails on through. :mad: |
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The cyclist if not dead would probably not even be prosecuted as the blame would be heaped upon the driver. |
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Now the other side of the coin is - if a cyclist gets off their bike & pushes it along the pavement they are taking up more room than if they cycled, but they would be going at a slower speed so easier for the pedestrian. Not so good where there is a narrow pavement where the cyclist could get through in a couple of seconds but far longer to walk. Especially as the cars are 2" from the kerb so no room for the cyclist there. Yet if they stayed on the road the car drivers would be impatiently waiting to get by or forced into oncoming traffic to overtake.
As a cyclist I get very annoyed with other cyclists who hog the pavement especially when the roads are perfectly fine. Also get peeved with the dog walkers and retractable leads, drivers who go through on red and who drive too close to the kerb. All groups have their faults. Cyclists seem to be worse in university towns/cities. Car drivers & pedestrians in rural areas. |
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i had this conversation with a police officer recently. he told me that while it isnt illegal to cycle on the pavement, the police advise against it, because if you hit anyone you can be sued
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I still see no reason why adult cyclists should be treated differently than other road users and should have their cycles tested, taxed and insured and the rider to pass a road riding test to get a licence. |
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And even that doesn't deter them...
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Cycling on footways (a pavement at the side of a carriageway) is prohibited by Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835, amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888. This is punishable by a fixed penalty notice of £30 under Section 51 and Schedule 3 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988. Cyclists have no right to cycle on a footpath away from the road but only commit an offence where local by-laws or traffic regulation orders create such an offence. Paul Kitson, partner at cyclist-friendly solicitor Russell, Jones and Walker of London says: "There may also be offences committed in relation to 'walkways' (which is a footpath under a walkway agreement) under Section 35 of the Highways Act 1980. However, the conditions on which these can be ridden is dependent on local council bye-laws, which vary from council to council." Could be a bit confusing cycling in different areas when you don't know the local bye-laws though!!! |
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I think pedestrians should have insurance, one walked into my bike (stationary) and damaged by wheel. I cant claim of him because he has no insurance. Also how come people can walk across the street and pay no road tax? They are using the road like cars!
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Don't you guys think we pay out enough these days with the taxes and insurances we pay already.. Not to mention our greedy goverment...
pedestrians insurance.... Another daft idea.... @ jb66 as for someone walking into your bike and damaging it... Did he have a jcb attached to him i could walk into a hundred bikes and not damage any... :-) |
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