Britain - a haven for terrorists?....
 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...xtremists.html

Well, if it's all true, it wouldn't surprise me. In providing a 'safe haven' for people from around the world, whose backgrounds, motives and allegiances aren't really known, we seem to have created a problem the true extent of which remains to be seen. No doubt many have come here in pursuit of a dream only to discover that the reality doesn't meet their expectations. These disaffected people have then become the raw materials the extremists need to do their evil work.

It seems to me that the first task of any government is to ensure the safety of the citizens. To that extent, successive governments appear to have taken their eyes off the ball, even when alarm bells were ringing, by allowing our freedoms to be abused by those who've taken advantage of our hospitality yet don't believe in freedom at all. Ironic isn't it.....

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The French government has been saying this for years, they kick those people out regardless of the human rights act, we give them a safe haven.

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It's worth noting that the Guantanamo detainees are just that, detainees.

How many of them have been convicted of anything? Most of them are held, for the greater part, on the heresay of men such as Adil Hadi al-Jaz'iri bin Hamlili whose story makes for far more interesting reading than the selective "migrant" terrorist hyperbole from the Telegraph.

You don't need to look east, or to Finsbury Park, Leeds or Birmingham for the biggest terrorist threat to the UK. They're already in your midst and they're not atypical "Johnny foreigner" for that matter either.

See here and here for starters.

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How i had wished never to see that happening again. Stay safe Mr A

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Thanks Sirius, you too.

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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ed...welfare-state/

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.......:dozey:

Re: Britain - a haven for terrorists?....
 

Sorry that article is absurd. The last line is a perfect example:

The implies that he alone is accountable for the actions of the 7/7 bombers when in all likelihood he was another in a long line of nutters than the 7/7 bombers enjoyed to listen too. There is nothing to suggest that had we extradited him the bombings wouldn't have happened.

Most the times the ones drawing attention to themselves are not the ones we should fear. People who intend to cause real harm stay off the grid.

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There also isn't a shred of evidence for the central tenet of the article that Britain's 'Islamist problem' is caused by the welfare state. All he does is observe that apparently there is less of a problem in the US which doesn't have a welfare state. Which is about as convincing as saying that the Islamist problem is caused by driving on the left-hand side...

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Maybe if there wasn't a welfare state there'd be more disaffected people and more budding terrorists here. Life's full of ifs, buts and maybes isn't it....

I don't think the welfare state is to blame but I do think the authorities have been remiss in failing to take proper account of the potential for disruption and worse by certain of those who've been given safe haven here and the freedom to preech their hatred etc.

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Fair enough, I prepare to stand corrected but I do think we are a soft touch for every tom, dick and terrorist that fancies a state handout and shelter......

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That the UK is a relatively soft touch is, sadly, undeniable IMHO. Abu Hamza and his ilk are proof of that but I think they'd have done what they have with or without the help of benefits. The 'state support' merely rubs salt in the wound....

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Do we have an islamist problem ? or do we have a problem with radicals ?,i note that the Real IRA are flexing there muscles again and if you ask me they are just as radical as some Muslims as are the BNP and others of that ilk .

I thought Abu Hamza was Egyptian not Yemenis :confused:

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The fact that we still haven't got to grips with our 'own terrorists' (like the IRA for example) is a very good reason to not to maintain an environment in which more can come here and flourish by using our freedoms and the convoluted legal process against us.

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Indeed it would have ,people like him rarely go through life without support for their ideals and financial support would have been given to him by any number of his followers .The good old US of A is proof of that with all their religious cults that end in mass suicide or mass murder (depending on how you see it ) America seems to suffering from it's own home grown extremist problem at the moment though if this is anything to go by


from last year
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...tremist-groups

Re: Britain - a haven for terrorists?....
 

Maybe. However I believe the 7/7 bombers were home grown and their 'radicalisation' would have been from many sources as well as international affairs. It's makes little difference, in my opinion, if the preachers that may help that process are in a Mosque in London or transmitting via the Internet from Pakistan.

The problem of islamic terrorism is a global one and not a localised one brought about by our welfare state. It does of course grate that someone who hates our country so much still wants the support of it but this simply shows them up for the buffoons and hypocrites they are rather than cause any real harm to the country itself. They are bumbling fools that belong in the world of sitcom rather than drama.

Again, The ones to worry about seem to make little dent on the world until they have committed their murderous acts. :(

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couldn't agree more :clap::clap:

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If anybody comes into this country and is a suspected terroist they should be deported, even if they have gained UK citizenship (this should be stripped).

If a "hoody" can be kick out of a shopping centre, why not a suspected terroist.

Re: Britain - a haven for terrorists?....
 

Abu Hamza.

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Bless you.

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There's a difference between a shopping centre and the UK.

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Not according to Napoleon..... :D

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With all due respect you have got to grips with the IRA.

The fact is that several of their number have been embraced by British democracy to the point that they are salaried by the treasury, hold ministerial posts and are feted globally by British MPs including Prime Ministers (current and past) as models of democracy.

For those who subscribe to the idea posited by Damien earlier that "someone who hates our country so much still wants the support of it but this simply shows them up for the buffoons and hypocrites they are rather than cause any real harm to the country itself. They are bumbling fools that belong in the world of sitcom rather than drama" here is the news.

The reality is that the Northern Irish terrorist practice of state benefit exploitation for the purposes of carrying out a socio economic war of attrition in conjunction with a bombing and shooting campaign has proved entirely effective. Radical muslims are not that stupid as to not have realized this fact. Indeed tacit support is afforded to them (as was the case here in NI with the IRA) by each individual who "Does his or her bit" by claiming from the state benefit system and thus creating an additional burden on the state - a state already in financial difficulties.

Do some digging on areas of concentrated state benefit dependancy in Northern Ireland and you'll be very, very surprised at certain correlations.

MPs will continue to lie to their constituents and the electorate that the IRA was defeated.

They were not. No guerilla, paramilitary / terrorist grouping has ever been "defeated" by democracy - that is the glaring contradiction. In a true democracy you have to listen to the opposing side.

How, if we are to believe our paymasters, has this "defeated" IRA managed to rearm, reinvent, train and mobilize itself?

Why, if are we expected to believe that the UK is awash with terrorists of various factions and religious denominations, are our jails not full of them pending trial?

I'll tell you why, it's because Governments do good business with terrorists - history has shown us this - and they (the Government) use fear and the threat of fear to try and keep the little people like you and I in our place.

Assume nothing and question everything. It's the very least you owe to yourself.