Cameron Pledges £650 million to Pakistan.
 

What a clot.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...5875-23040866/

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He really is turning out to be a right plonker. I don't think he knows what he's doing from one day to the next. I don't even know whether he's taking his medication.

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Coming from a newspaper which is heavily Anti-Tory. :rolleyes:

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So what do the experts on here think we should do then stop all overseas funding allow the taliban and al qaeda to get a bigger hold on pakistan. If we can cut extremism by education in countries like pakistan then we damn well should put some money in. 650 million now is a damn sight cheaper then a war later on which we would have to fight in the case of pakistan as they are a nuclear nation not to mention the lives of our service people that would be saved not having to go there and fight another foreign war.

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When we hear how unnecessary suffering is being caused by hip and knee operations being deferred by NHS Trusts as a result of funding cuts???????

Why didn't Cameron admit to the Pakistanis that we can't afford it or maybe it's just so he can look good on the World stage.

Seems we can always find some spare cash so the PM can look good. :rolleyes:

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It is not 'Spare' cash - there will be Overseas 'Aid' funds budgeted for the purpose of Overseas Aid.

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This money comes from a fund that is ringfenced and was sorted out long ago this is not money being taken from anywhere in the UK from cuts. Also while it's easy to avoid the main points i made address them and add some credibility to your opposition to this :).

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Granted - but could that fund not have been used to reduce cuts in the UK? It may not have come from cuts but it has come from somewhere - likely us?
Seems very unfair that UK schools have received a massive cut to their budgets but we can send out 60 million (initially) to aid another country's schools? Off course I understand it's not this simple and not as black and white as it looks - there are the points you mention to consider which I agree with. But telling a country you're hiking taxes & slashing their school budget and then sending a shedload of money out to help another country's schools is bound to upset people.

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the fence should have been torn down and the funds used here not somewhere else

Charity begins at home we should start letting these countries sort themselves out and not interferring it costs this country billions and half the time its a total waste of time and effort anyway

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Like the Sun "we blow with the wind towards anyone who's going to earn us money"??

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Normally I'd agree but when they have cash to buy 4 new submarines when we are scrapping ships it sucks, surely we could give them one of ours and the cash they are spending on them be spent on education instead.

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Better still drop a can of instant sunshine on them that way we'll save £650million.

How much of that £650million will make it's way to Muslim Extremists?

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I think Pakistan need to start taxing their rich (only 1% pay tax?) instead of keep lending more and more money from the IMF to spend on arms instead of education. It's not going to get better until they do. We'll just keep on bending over and bailing them out.

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We can ask Pakistan for some money to prop up our NHS which the Tories are killing off.

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Well said that man. We keep bending over and letting them roger us on a grand scale.

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The NHS doesn't need more money, it has had huge amounts of it thrown at it and look at the result. 'Propping up' the NHS by throwing more cash at it to waste isn't an option.

As far as Pakistan goes this makes sense for a few reasons, look a bit more deeply into it, it's not being done for the sake of charity.

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They don't pay tax because of all the foreign aid the country gets.

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Some of you really do take the simplest view on things don't you lol we never give to a country without getting something of value back thats the whole purpose of international aid we feather our own nest whilst looking good. We do not know all the details of this yet but i am willing to bet large amounts of money that whatever amount we are giving them in the short term will be more then outdone by the amount we get back from them in the medium to longterm as has always been the way with UK foreign aid.

As for the whole NHS thing lol just lol countries with far better health systems can only dream of the sort of money we plough into our nhs the money is badly spent and misused on a massive scale it isn't that there isn't enough of it.

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You are probably right but no one does anything about it.

Meanwhile the Fat Cats continue to get fatter while those in need of hip and knee ops have to endure the pain and wait patiently.

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Like who?

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Cuba for one off the top of my head i am sure other countries do better with less and there is no denial from anyone that much of the nhs budget is mispent on projects and other things that we are paying far more for then we need too. If the nhs were a private sector company (no i am not supporting the privatising of the nhs) they would not spend nearly as much as they do for some things and would get far better deals then currently for being a hell of a bulk buyer.

Same old story in the UK government spending on things is way higher then the comparable private sector company. Why the hell we don't have penalty clauses when we give out contracts rather then them going over budget and overtime all the time i will never know.

Either way foreign aid brings back more return to the UK then we ever spend on it and allows us to put UK companys at the head of the queue for contracts in those countries we give aid too we benefit massively from the program.

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I think you'll find our NHS is way way way behind anywhere else in the world

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I think you'll find that facts prove otherwise.... Link

More beds, longer life expectancy, less heart attacks - must be a new definition of "way way way behind" I hadn't come across before....

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Luckily I have never had need of a foreign countries health care system but after recently spending 7 weeks in a uk hospital I certainly do not feel like arguing with you.

I'll not go into details but for an example I spent time in 4 different wards and only spent time in one bed that wasn't broken in some respect.

That one good working bed was situated in a room that had some sort of a smelly drain problem that was never sorted.

No radio, no working TV, Nurse shortages every morning.

I would sooner keel over rather that have to endure Hospitalisation again.

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Where did you dream up that nonsense from?

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I don't agree with that. I'd rather be in a UK hospital than any other hospital on the planet.

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Didn't you know Mick? You don't need to let the facts get in the way if you fancy a good old fashioned anti-Tory rant. ;)

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That is one of the stupidest, most ill-thought out comments I've ever seen on CF in many years.

Perhaps you care to have an operation in some third world country? Or maybe try getting treatment for non life threatening illness in America without shelling out a fortune?

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France, way in front, Spain way in front, Germany way way way in front, Sweden way in front, do you want me to go on??

You need to travel a little.:rolleyes:

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Is that right?? You also need to travel more.:rolleyes:

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Seriously, you've been hospitalized in all those places? With your luck you maybe need to travel a little less.

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Would you?? You also need to get out more.

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Enter the happy police.:rolleyes:

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I've travelled plenty thanks. While thankfully enjoying good health I've been in a Sri Lankan hospital and would class ANY Hospital in the UK way above that.

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It doesn't take much to get you to show you don't have any solid facts or believable arguments behind your tired leftie rhetoric, does it.

I think we can safely assume that you haven't got the sort of first-hand experiences of hospitals overseas that you seem to think the rest of us should have before daring to suggest you maybe don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Face it, you got called out and shown up.

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That makes no sense to me whatsoever. And no need to get personal.

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Care to elaborate?

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35207600-post22.html :dozey:

Read it !!! Instead of makng up utter crap.

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Godwin's Law invoked. Thread over. :D

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Where is the utter crap in what I've posted?? Plug that bottom gravy hole Mick.

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You do not get to talk to me and it would seem others, like that and get away with it. Your thread is now closed. Infraction to follow. :nono:

Another member is welcome to continue this topic in a new thread if they wish.