Torchwood : Series 4 - Miracle Day (Starz)
 

Torchwood will apparently be 10 eps, and will be on the US cable channel Starz.

http://eztv.it/tvnews/5215/starz-acquires-torchwood/

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Starz is good they push boundaries so hopefully it will be more like season 1

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Seems strange that it's not BBC America :confused:

Doubt it, it'll first air on BBC One not BBC Three like Series 1 did

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I hope not, the first few seasons of torchwood were pants.

If they keep it along the "Children of Earth" lines then I'll be watching.

That "mini series" of Torchwood was one of the finest pieces of British Si-Fi to ever grace our screen.

It was everything that the current Dr Who isn't.

More of the same please.

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The premier date in the US has changed to July 8th, and assuming the UK is still showing it at the same time, then it also will move to the 8th.

Gwen, Rhys and Jack will all be back, and it will take place in various locations around the world. The first and last episodes are written by Russel T Davies.

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So the cast is now almost completely American :(

The Torchwood Institute was set up by Queen Victoria (DH: Tooth and Claw) to defend Britain from alien attacks, so why all the Americans?

Funding and RTD's desire to be accepted by his American counterparts, would now seem to be the overriding priorities for this show.

My enthusiasm has just left the building..

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Teaser promo ;

http://thevoiceoftv.com/blog/first-t...o-teaser/33618

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Actually, Doctor Who made repeated references to Torchwood being set up to defend Britain from any alien attacks.

I hope this series is better than the last (which I actually thought was quite good, they just dragged on the one story too long). I still think Series two was the best. The stories in Series one just seemed to be there to hang sexual references off.

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They have titled it Torchwood Miracle Days can not wait for this

http://www.starz.com/originals/Torchwood

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That sounds so good. Roll on July.

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On the subject of 'Torchwood' I went down Cardiff Bay the other week and they have a shrine of it, loads of teddys and pictures and quotes and poems strapped to the wall, worth a look if your a big fan :)

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The official trailer has been released by Starz.

http://scifi.about.com/od/torchwood/...st-Trailer.htm

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Loving the line at the end :D

Can see it being lost on the yanks though.

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Well duh! :rolleyes:

Given that they are two completely different shows aimed at two completely different audiences/demographics, I find your comment more than a little ridiculous.

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If you can't understand the statement or the connection between the two shows it's alright I don't/won't think that you're a bit slow.

Even if you are.

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I completely understand your statement, which is why I find it ridiculous.

I note with interest that you have simply insulted my intelligence rather than actually respond to my statement.

Which says it all really.

If you would now like to explain why you hold the opinion you stated then the discussion can continue. I won't hold my breath :)

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Given that you're trying to draw him out on statements he made almost five months ago, I hardly think you can expect him to continue the discussion now, unless he wants to/can be bothered. So no, don't hold your breath - and don't assume, if he doesn't reply, that it has anything at all to do with your perception of the strength of his argument.

I'd also be a tad careful about making grandiose claims like 'I completely understand your statement'. It merely puts you at risk of looking ridiculous.

I've read Pierre's statement several times and I believe it could mean several different things, conditional on what he thinks Doctor Who is and what he thinks it should be (points he hasn't elaborated on in this thread so far as I can see).

Audience and demographics are but two considerations and for you to grab on to those at the exclusion of any other possibility is not complete understanding, it's just a great big blinkered presumption.

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Whoops! Sorry. Didn't notice that.:o:

However, he could, if he was so inclined, still actually answer my post seeing as how it is still a valid point.

Like that's new to me :p:

Then perhaps he should have been clearer on what he meant. To avoid such mis-interpritation :)

Hence starting a discussion on the subject. "Other possibilities" such as?

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Oh, how about production values for starters, which is a nebulous concept in itself? He may believe there to be favourable differences in Torchwood's musical score, sound editing, video editing, scriptwriting ... you name it.

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Well we do know that DW's budget has been cut and, according to some posts over on the DS Forums, this is noticable. Can't say I have noticed it myself though.

However, no. I don't believe that Pierre was talking about anything other than the actual content of the show. I base this only on other, similar, comments I have seen from time to time on various forums; that TW is what DW should be and no-one has ever mentioned any of those elements.

They are only referring to the fact that they prefer TW of DW because they perceive the latter as not being "scary" enough or being too purely aimed at children which, of course, has never ever actually been the case.

As for DW not being scary enough. It seems some people completely disagree.

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You know, I wasn't going to bother, and I'm not furthering the discussion beyond this post.

Well if you completely understood what I was saying, you wouldn't have had to question it, as it would have made sense to you.

What you believe and what you know are very different things. You obviously don't know what I meant and you believe wrong.

Torchwood Children of Earth was:

Suspenseful
Scary
Well produced with high production values
Well acted
Had good characters
Was well paced
Was a very good story
Was well scripted
Didn't have any "eureka" solutions

I could go on.

All of the above in my opinion the current Dr Who isn't, or for that matter the previous Torchwoods weren't either.

It was, again IMO, what could have been a classic Dr Who story - not for this Doctor. Possibly John Pertwee.
Well directed

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Then we'll agree to disagree :)

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Doctor Who was created as a childrens/family show and has always been that way.

RTD created Torchwood to be a more adult orientated show.

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Which is almost what I posted on the previous page :) DW = Family, TW = Adult.

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I Don't know if you were posting in reply to me, but if you were - how should that impact the items I listed differently, for each show?

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You may agree to yourself whatever you wish or "believe".

I didn't say anything.

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I was replying to the thread, no one in particular.

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Children of the earth was simple awesome.

Am I the only one that expected The Doctor to save the day. I really think they could have Merged the ending with Doctor Who as it was a massive event and surely The Doctor would not just say bugger it I cant be arsed.

I'd really like some Torchwood - Doctor Who Tie ins but with the Doctor appearing on Torchwood rather than the usual stuff. Don't see Matt Smith's Doctor doing it very well as awesome as he is.

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'Torchwood won't abandon Welsh roots, says Russell T Davies

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Is there still no confirmed date for this? All I've heard so far is "after the US"...

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The US air date is 8/july so i would imagine that we will be seeing it on BBC1 very close to that date possibly even the the day after (saturday 9th) but as the BBC have no schedules up for next month yet i cannot find a definate UK air date

http://epguides.com/Torchwood/

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however this site says the 6th july

http://www.geektown.co.uk/2011/06/21...mer-in-the-uk/

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I can see a LOT explaining to the Yanks taking place.

"You mean Scotch-land? Where the men wear skirts?"....

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The BBC have now got that weeks info up and there is no mention of Torchwood on it.

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Have you seen the clip where one of the Americans refers to Gwen as "England's finest" and she replies "I'm Welsh!" and then smacks her one? :D

EDIT: It's actually like this…

American: If you're the best England's got to offer, then God help you.

Gwen: I'm Welsh. *SMACK!*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4JXRiLdZq0

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Heh - reminds me of a conversation during a package tour in Florida:

Local to attractive woman tourist: "You're English, aren't you?"
Woman: "No, I'm Welsh."
Local: "But that's in England, surely?"

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If the BBC are not showing it very close to the US air date then i think it will be a very poor decision by them and will affect the viewing figures because i can see a lot of people downloading the episodes as i probably will

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It won't effect the viewing figures as they are worked out as an average and not actually taken from actual figures.

So far all they have said is later in the summer.

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That's ok then ,i would hate to see the show cancelled due to poor figures because the beeb shot themselves in the foot ;)

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It wouldn't surprise me if it gets aired on the BBC the same night, merely hours before it premieres on Starz in the states

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Won't happen, as already mentioned the BBC have already announced programming for that week and Torchwood isn't listed.

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Already my favourite moment from the entire series :D

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"Torchwood: Miracle Day UK transmission now at least a week after US premiere?"

Hmm. I can see quite a few people sticking with this "US Timeline" thread then, rather than bothering with a "UK Timeline" one...

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July the 14th is the UK date :( 6 Days after the US.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s8/to...ed-by-bbc.html

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ssell-t-davies

Quote:

But Davies, never over-enamoured of the views of hardcore superfans, seems largely unworried about the possibility <of the delay> – arguing that as it's a BBC1 9pm show, not many will bother to download it first.

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Seriously ... 6 days? Why is that such a hardship? :confused:

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I'll just watch it by other means. Don't want to wait, Internet will be awash by spoilers and they get episode 2 the day after we get the first one.

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6 days?! Ha, screw that then. I'll be sticking with this thread. Anyone waiting for the BBC broadcast should remember that that will require a separate "UK Timeline" thread.

Done: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...e-day-bbc.html

BBC viewers should stay away from this thread once it's started in the US, as it will feature un-tagged spoilers.

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Just finished watching the first episode, and I'm relieved to say, it felt like a Torchwood episode..

I rather enjoyed it, and am quite looking forward to the next one now :)

The scene where Captain Jack appeared in the CIA records room, seemed very reminiscent of the Doctor Who moment where Sarah Jane stumbles upon The Doctor while trying to hide from the Krillitanes, in the episode School Reunion.. anyone else?

Although it did seem rather obvious there was a link between Jack and the episode's theme (however it happened) I'm glad they didn't try to cram the whole story into one episode.

Also, was expecting a whacking great Starz logo, and other nonsense popping up throughout, but it was as if I was watching a BBC rip, clean as a whistle.

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>>>>Spoiler Tags please!!!!! <<<<<<

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No spoiler tags required. This thread is for discussing the US broadcasts. If you want to remain spoiler free until the UK broadcast then visit the following thread.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...e-day-bbc.html

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The link between Jack and the rest of the world is clearly there but is certainly not the full picture, He wouldnt give it away in the very first episode.

- Jack's Immortality has gone
- At the exact moment Jack crashes the CIA computers and wipes them clean of everything Torchwood related, everyone ceases to die but he becomes mortal.
- 22:36

All I picked up on.

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Promising start to Torchwood Miracle Day, despite the Americanisation (or should that be "Americanization"?). I think it will be hard for it to live up to Children of Earth though...


So, some questions...

- Who would want to make everyone immortal, and why?

Or, perhaps more importantly...

- Who would want to make Jack mortal, and why?


- Why is the CIA involved?





I thought that 22:36 was when the "Torchwood" email went through, not when Jack crashed the computers (a separate event)?

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22:36 is on a seperate line as I couldnt link it first time round so Either you have it worked out or it needs a second viewing

Looks like another viewing is in order!

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Something I missed

The prisoner on death row surely has a lot more to do with the story and event than meets the eye otherwise why involve him in more than two scenes?

One showing him receiving the Lethal Injection and surviving, One showing him engaged in a conversation demanding release from prison and the other showing him released.

He is also the first person we see to cheat death.

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Bit of a non-story as those who know "The Face of Boe" will know the ending to this ;)

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It's also Bill Pullman, he's signed as a series regular in Torchwood ;)

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I may have to watch the BBC version after all... apparently it's longer than the Starz version.

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As much as I believe Oswald Danes has something to do with it, I can see him being a good guy for some reason.

The next parts are in spoiler tags because if I am correct it will be this complete series revealed already :P

A long shot but thats all I have until we get a bit further in.

I came up with this by reading the link below.



I also get a strong feeling they are going to kill Jack at the end of this and re-invent the whole team.. American team. If that happens I have no intention of watching it again.

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Entirely possible he's been set up by "the Governor" who ever that is?

Wouldn't have thought spoiler tags were necessary for what is (for now at least) a theory?

But hey..


Really cant see them getting rid of John Barrowman to be honest, not unless they really want to lose a massive chunk of the shows fanbase.

But if they do lose the plot and decide to re-invent Torchwood by completely Americanizing it, I'll be switching off as well.

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In the way you just Americanised the word 'americanised'? ;)

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Well we know it involves some enemy of Jack from the past but I wonder if we have seen this enemy before or will we see flashbacks.

Lets face it now if this is not a one off series this will eventually go completely American whether we like it or not and the chances of the American producers keeping Eve Myles on would be slim at best because they would without a doubt go for a completely American cast and start a whole new Torchwood hub based in the United States.

After watching that Preview thing on the end of the BBC airing.. It completely looked like your Typical '24' or 'FlashForward'

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Hey er.. That's right, to emphasise just how Americanized everything is becoming, including David Bartlett's British English dictionary spell checking add-on for Firefox.. It only pulled me up about capitalisation?

The whole point of installing the damned thing, was so I wouldn't have to suffer re-reading all the nonsense I just typed..

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13843891

Of course, he is living over there now, so might try to get around it by hiring some Welsh Americans :D

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I would rather the Americans have their own version or Torchwood whilst having the Original one back over in Wales but for Season finale's you could cross the two :p:

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I thought this second ep was S L O W. They really dragged it out.
And it almost seemed like two shows - one Torchwoodesque (albeit with a ridiculous & bonkers, way over the top Gwen, especially on the plane - cheese or what..) and the other a boring, generic American drama.
I'm a big Torchwood fan and not prepared to give up on it yet, but aside from the last 5 mins after they got off the plane, the rest of it was very meh.
The UK Torchwood & Torchwood team were brilliant. This just seems like a poor spin-off.

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I find right clicking on a word you know is right and 'adding to dictionary' does the trick.

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Pros: So far I am enjoying this Torchwood series more than any of the previous.

Cons: Too many references to 'Gay' and 'Welsh'.

Doesn't everyone know Jack's gay and Gwen's Welsh already?

I've nothing against Gays or the Welsh but just wish they would quit shoving it in my face so much and just get on with the TV show.

Hmmm...My late wife was Welsh and she could never stop going on about it. Maybe a National trait? :D

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The only "Welsh" reference I can think of this week was where the Dollhouse woman said "You're the best that England has to offer?" and Gwen responded with "I'm Welsh! <THUMP>".

As for gay references...Jack happened to mention a past boyfriend, while there was the running thing regarding the air steward. Past Torchwoods have contained far more than that.


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I'm enjoying Miracle Day, but I still think that Children of Earth was far superior. Still, there's eight episodes left, so plenty of time for it to get better.

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Im enjoying it so far. :)

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I think with the American influence it could have been a lot worse.. I'm though actually enjoying it

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It seems OK so far. The storyline has been set and the new characters introduced so far seem fine. How well the "Americanization" sits with me remains to be seen but I was left wanting to see what happens so I guess I must have enjoyed the first episode.

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I'm confused, have I missed an episode; the first one was only last week.

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You're in the US Timeline thread.

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Oops! :doh:

Is there a UK timeline thread?

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Indeedy.

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Thanks. ;) :cool:

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Watched all the episodes for far and noticed

Episode 3 was edited a lot for the UK viewing

Notably the Mature audience scenes (Sexual Content)

But it seems like your average American show to be honest.

Starts slow... Teases the name of the baddies... Reveals the bad dudes then ends all happily.

Not saying I'm not enjoying it though :D Although it did look for a second in episode 4 that they were about to give away the cause and that would have been naff! so early in the show

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I'm still enjoying it, but... it's still not actually very good, IMO. Yes, it's enjoyable, but it's no Children of Earth (I know I keep saying that, but CoE really was awesome), and, well, it it wasn't for the presence of Jack & Gwen enabling it to be called "Torchwood" it would just be your average run-of-the-mill likely-to-be-canned-after-one-season US SF series.

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I am really enjoying it and can't wait to see how it pans out.

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I have to agree but that said I am thoroughly enjoying it.

Hopefully it won't get canned after the present season.

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The ending tonight @ 3am


Would like to thank all the internet trolls for posting a bucket of spoilers thanks to a Spanish version that was leaked.

Would like to thank the Telegraph for backing up those spoilers -_-

It wasnt brilliant to be fair but it was still a decent series and with the ending revealed it brings me to question the future of torchwood as many others are asking questions already too.

You will know more when you see the ending. Still going to watch it :)

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It's been pretty good, not to mention pointing out all the parts of Swansea and South Wales I recognise :D

I really wish they'd tone down the "gayness" though. Most of it is totally pointless and seems only to be there to cause a reaction.

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Just watched The Blood Line.. Not too sure how i felt about this episode.

What with all the seriously over the top performances, unnecessarily dramatic build ups, glaringly obvious plot holes, and underwhelming solutions.. Never mind, It would seem i probably do know how i felt about it.

Really thought RTD had at last seen sense and decided to kill off all the American cast members in one fell swoop, then we get a plot twist like that.

Real shame about Esther though, i actually started to like her, and thought she was someone i could easily see being a regular member of the team.

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I know that RTD loves these long form stories, but he needs to learn how to create them properly. While this series has been good, we've had whole episodes where not much has happened. I think other series (such as Buffy The Vampire Slayer) have handled the long storyline far better by having other storylines to compliment it.

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pretty crappy ending to an awful series.

Nobody can tell me that was better than the 5 parter COE.

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Agreed. The episode where Angelo is introduced seemed to be 20% plot and 80% RTD trying to find out how far he could push the boundaries of decency and pointlessness with the over-use of homosexuality.

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Although RTD was one of the Executive Producers of Miracle Day, and involved with handling the overall story, he didn't write every episode - he actually only wrote the first and co-wrote the second. The Angelo episode was written by US TV writer Jane Espenson.

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Anyway.... Meh. Enjoyable enough, yet also... lame. Not a patch on Children of Earth. Too much filler, stupid Big Bad, crappy ending.

And WTF was up with Rex coming back to life? I didn't find that a shocking or clever twist, it just made me swear at the TV and impolitely tell the programme to leave.