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gazzae 21-03-2011 21:49

Home Plugs
 
I think the wireless on my PS3 is Fubared as you can see from the speed tests below, both PC and PS3 are in same room and on same wireless network.

So I was thinking about getting some Home Plugs.
Where the router is situated there is only one wall socket. From this I have a 4 way plugged in which has a DECT phone, Home Hub and modem. Can I plug a home plug into the spare socket on the 4 way and what sort of speed could i expect?

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PC Result

Date of Speed Test: 2011-03-21 21:37:19
Download Speed: 37148 kbps (4643.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 5949 kbps (743.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
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PS3 Result

Date of Speed Test: 2011-03-21 21:34:18
Download Speed: 1713kbps (214.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 1577kbps (197.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

Tezcatlipoca 21-03-2011 21:54

Re: Home Plugs
 
I think that Home Plugs need to be plugged directly into a wall socket, rather than a strip, however I may be completely wrong.

gazzae 21-03-2011 22:00

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Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35197122)
I think that Home Plugs need to be plugged directly into a wall socket, rather than a strip, however I may be completely wrong.

hmmm seems to be people saying you can and people saying you can't.

any ideas why the wireless on the ps3 is so pants?

Tezcatlipoca 21-03-2011 22:05

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Oh, & as for speeds... The HomePlug AV standard allows for speeds up to 200Mbps over the power line.

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35197130)
hmmm seems to be people saying you can and people saying you can't.

Hmm. Descriptions I've seen on actual products though say not to use surge protected strips, but yeah it seems to vary in actual use...

e.g. http://www.avforums.com/forums/netwo...lti-plugs.html


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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35197130)
any ideas why the wireless on the ps3 is so pants?

Sorry, no idea. I've never used it on mine. Does seem odd though that the PS3's speed would be so different when both the PS3 & PC are in the same room on the same wireless network.

ZrByte 21-03-2011 22:08

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35197130)
hmmm seems to be people saying you can and people saying you can't.

any ideas why the wireless on the ps3 is so pants?

You can but it cant be surge protected. Also some other devices cause major interference like remote controlled plug sockets and chargers (Even on different plugs or in different rooms).

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35197130)
hmmm seems to be people saying you can and people saying you can't.

any ideas why the wireless on the ps3 is so pants?

It might not be that bad, could be a combination of the router you are using and the wireless chipset used in the ps3.

Tezcatlipoca 21-03-2011 22:09

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I'd already seen HomePlugs before with a single pass-through socket, but this takes it a step further: a combined HomePlug & power strip (filtered & surge protected):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Desktop-LAN-.../dp/B001NP5MAY

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/technology...wer-strip.html

ZrByte 21-03-2011 22:12

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Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35197139)
I'd already seen HomePlugs before with a single pass-through socket, but this takes it a step further: a combined HomePlug & power strip (filtered & surge protected):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Desktop-LAN-.../dp/B001NP5MAY

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/technology...wer-strip.html

Not a bad price either since it has a few Ethernet sockets on it.

gazzae 21-03-2011 22:15

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All I need is something like this isn't it? Then I can plug it in front of the 4way?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/200Mb-Homepl...ef=pd_sim_ce_1

ZrByte 21-03-2011 22:26

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35197141)
All I need is something like this isn't it? Then I can plug it in front of the 4way?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/200Mb-Homepl...ef=pd_sim_ce_1

Yes, in theory. Though it is possible the 4way or devices connected to the 4 way could interfere.
Dont forget you will need two of them too.

AndyCambs 22-03-2011 09:33

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I got one of these, and it gives much better speeds via wireless than the homeplugs.

ZrByte 22-03-2011 14:20

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Originally Posted by AndyCambs (Post 35197249)
I got one of these, and it gives much better speeds via wireless than the homeplugs.

Good idea and a better price than most of the good quality homeplugs but if the OP is having wireless issues this may not remedy that.

pabscars 22-03-2011 16:00

Re: Home Plugs
 
To the OP, I,m sure I read somewhere that PS3's don't like complicated passphrase's, might be worth a punt before you hand over any hard earned.

gazzae 22-03-2011 21:42

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Well I bought some Belkin home plugs today and the connection is far far better.

Hom3r 22-03-2011 21:51

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A question on Home Plugs.

A few years ago our house was rewired, and all our sockets go directly to the fuse box.

So would Home Plugs work for with this?

ZrByte 22-03-2011 22:00

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35197840)
A question on Home Plugs.

A few years ago our house was rewired, and all our sockets go directly to the fuse box.

So would Home Plugs work for with this?


In my house they work great on any socket and get good throughput of upto 7MB/s on 200mb homeplugs (Some sockets are faster than others). Yet at my parents the plugs work fine and fast on the same floor but can't even see each other on different floors.
Best bet is to loan a set or buy them from somewhere you can return them if they don't work.

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35197832)
Well I bought some Belkin home plugs today and the connection is far far better.

Have you tried a speed test to see the difference?

Tezcatlipoca 22-03-2011 22:07

Re: Home Plugs
 
I've just set up some Netgear HomePlugs for Mrs D.

Not impressed with the software or the "manual", but it's all up & running now. She went for cheapo HomePlug v1 (85Mbps) rather than HomePlug AV (200Mbps).

danielf 22-03-2011 22:09

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Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35197855)
I've just set up some Netgear HomePlugs for Mrs D.

Not impressed with the software or the "manual", but it's all up & running now. She went for cheapo HomePlug v1 (85Mbps) rather than HomePlug AV (200Mbps).

I hope you're not expecting 85Mbps. 15 to 20 Mbps seems to be about the norm for those.

Tezcatlipoca 22-03-2011 22:26

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Nah, that's fine for what she wants to use it for.

Waldo Pepper 23-03-2011 18:30

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Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35197520)
To the OP, I,m sure I read somewhere that PS3's don't like complicated passphrase's, might be worth a punt before you hand over any hard earned.

This has to be "snake oil" or rubbish. The passphrase is hashed to a random(ish) number and there is no reason why this (unless coded by a three year old) would make any difference.

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I have used a pair of Develo plugs (85Mbit ones) from Maplin (circa £65) for a few years now without a problem.. other than they get quite hot.

pabscars 23-03-2011 21:10

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Originally Posted by Waldo Pepper (Post 35198362)
This has to be "snake oil" or rubbish. The passphrase is hashed to a random(ish) number and there is no reason why this (unless coded by a three year old) would make any difference.

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I have used a pair of Develo plugs (85Mbit ones) from Maplin (circa £65) for a few years now without a problem.. other than they get quite hot.

It may be old news now but I new I'd read somewhere that the PS3 were possibly a bit sensitive to some types of security.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/netwo...nk-router.html

Maybe it doesnt effect newer consoles I dunno, personally I never use wireless where possible and always recommend against it.

At the end of the day I was just trying to offer a little help

dragon 23-03-2011 22:24

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35197119)
I think the wireless on my PS3 is Fubared as you can see from the speed tests below, both PC and PS3 are in same room and on same wireless network.

So I was thinking about getting some Home Plugs.
Where the router is situated there is only one wall socket. From this I have a 4 way plugged in which has a DECT phone, Home Hub and modem. Can I plug a home plug into the spare socket on the 4 way and what sort of speed could i expect?

How are you speed testing the PS3

If it's via the network diagnostics option take it with a pinch of salt as it's often woefully inaccurate.

I think the PSN gets somewhat congested during peak time as downloads from it tend to be rather slow compared to say a download on your PC.

You can get Powerline adapters with a pass-through socket in.

Comtrends latest ones definitely a pass through power socket, but they use UPA instead of homeplug.

Pretty sure I've seen some other homeplug adaptors with power pass through as well, might have been some Ebuyer own brand ones or somewhere like that.

Ignitionnet 17-04-2011 18:16

Re: Home Plugs
 
Further to this does anyone have experience of the 'gigabit' homeplugs?

I'm looking for something that'll manage 100Mbps+ between floors if at all possible.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...gabit+homeplug

Apparently these are very hit and miss.

TheNorm 17-04-2011 18:34

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35215365)
Further to this does anyone have experience of the 'gigabit' homeplugs?....

How about these? I've not tried them, but this company has very good customer service:

http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-gig-index.htm

Ignitionnet 17-04-2011 18:54

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Saw those, odd as it may seem a bit concerned by how cheap they are and can't find any tests online of their performance.

TheNorm 17-04-2011 19:44

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35215391)
... can't find any tests online of their performance.

Reviews are linked on the bottom half of this page: http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-gig-pl-1000m.htm

Ignitionnet 17-04-2011 19:59

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Yeah I read a couple of reviews from elsewhere and the results are, well, disturbing.

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In the same room, these adapters proved to be the fastest we've seen to date, delivering an average speed of 45Mbps, which is impressive though clearly a long way from their theoretical maximum. The blue light came on, indicating that the devices were operating at an excellent speed, with plenty of bandwidth to play with.

Across the house was a different story – they were actually slower than some of the 200Mbps rivals we had tested, at just over 23Mbps. It's entirely possible that this situation would be improved if we had been able to put bridging units between the two distant sockets, but we didn't have the equipment to prove this.
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As with most similar devices, real speeds will not match the advertised speeds - we achieved a top sustained speed of 92Mbits/sec. Speeds can also be significantly affected by electrical interference from appliances and the quality of mains wiring, however.
45 - 92Mbps in the same room. I can probably push more out of putting a wireless repeater on the stairs. :(

I understand about PHY speeds, etc, but 92Mbps out of 1000Mbps, best case?


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