Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...nction-banking

Quite so..

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Indeed. These injunctions are illiberal in the extreme and have no place in our or any other supposedly free society.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

I wonder how long it will be before such injunctions are extended to include internet discussions.
My bet is that as soon as they possess the means to do so, they will.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

I personally identify him as something that rhymes with "Banker" to be honest, and what a one he is making himself out to be.;)

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

They already do.

The only reason this discussion is legally allowed to go ahead is because we're discussing something that was said in Parliament, where speech cannot be banned by the courts.

However, anything else covered by this injunction is not allowed to be discussed here. Not that it's likely such topics would come up, as you would probably have had to have been at the high court to know what they are.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Yep the media where about to reveal that Fred the Shred is the evil Banker on Deal or No Deal.

OOPs that's the cat out of the bag now. :D

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Thank goodness for Parliamentary privilege I say.At least it can be good for something once in a while.. :)

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Are you sure the injuction is the word "Banker", and not a misprint? :D

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Does that mean that the head of a football team is to be called a footballer? Would that person be expected to be directly responsible for any tactics used on the football field?

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Whatever he likes to call himself, he made sure that his pockets were well lined with dosh! Can't possibly say what that makes him in my mind, he might take me to court..........

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

I read somewhere that the collective term for a group of bankers is a wunch. :D

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

I thought it was a 'banquet'. So named as that's what they spend a lot of time doing.... :D

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Well, you can thank the British press for the use of these laws. If they didn't print nude photographs of celebrities on honeymoon, or reveal details of the private life of the president of the FIA, the laws would never have been required.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

The ability to have a massively encompassing injunction, including the existence of the injunction, isn't required - full stop.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Yes it is - to avoid headlines such as "Max Mosley gets injunction to stop articles about his sadomasochistic sex acts with prostitutes".

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But the rich celebs can afford a decent solicitor and a brief to take the papers to court.The ordinary punter can't and therefore they have to rely on the press council to ensure their rights to privacy.Fat lot of good that usually does..

In a liberal society it isn't necessary to hide the fact that you have taken out an injunction against someone.That way madness lies and a group of people who can hide nefarious doings that it might be in the public's interest to know.

Like who bought a duck house on expenses..;)

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Which is why we now have super-injunctions. But don't forget, the reason the solicitors were involved in the first place was the "invasion of privacy" stories the press were running about celebs.

What goes around, comes around.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Not in the slightest - that would break the initial injunction.

However did we get by for so long when people with enough money couldn't hire lawyers to go to a judge and say 'Mr X wants an injunction, not for anything specific, he just wants one about pretty much everything to do with him.

It's ridiculous, it's illiberal, it's basically the rich throwing their weight around using the legal system which I'm not a fan of at all.

I have absolutely no problem with injunctions over specific matters but they should be precisely that - specific - not generic because someone with money feels besmirched.

Happens probably quite a lot more than we know, this one is just especially ridiculous and thanks to parliamentary privilege out in the open. We've found a use for the HoC at last.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

I think one of us is a bit confused. ;)

An injunction prevents a story being written (for example). However, the press can still report on the existence of the injunction.

A super-injunction prevents reporting of the existence of an injunction. Unless, of course, an MP says something about it in Parliament.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Which is illiberal and not something anyone wants to see.Using the media as the bad guy is counter productive to public interest.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

You rather give the story away when you discuss the existence of an injunction to prevent reporting that story.

Reporting the existence of an injunction I don't see a problem with, nor do I see a problem with specific injunctions, I do very much have a problem with widely encompassing injunctions. No place in a free society. Purely my opinion.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Invasion of privacy is just as bad as illiberal laws - perhaps worse.

So you wouldn't have a problem with a headline such as this:

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

As I said that headline would break the original injunction.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

You realise that's nowhere near snappy enough for the NOTW front page don't you?.... ;)

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Max gets whipped up into a l(e)ather about hooky hookers?

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

No, it would not. Can you provide a source for your opinion? Here is one that backs mine:

http://lawandmedicine.wordpress.com/...perinjunction/

The injunction prevents the act. The super-injunction prevents reporting of the injunction. Simple, really.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Commenting on why the injunction was put in place is discussion of the subject matter. Shaky ground to say the least.

A lot of difference between 'X obtained an injunction.'. and 'X obtained an injunction to prevent discussion of Y.'.

The quote you give above is irrelevant. That Marr chose to ensure the fact he had obtained an injunction couldn't be divulged isn't relevant. Had someone discussed the material he obtained the injunction on, and noted that an injunction had been obtained for specific reasons and given them, they wouldn't have been on shaky ground.

Celebrities with money getting ultra-defensive and wanting to ensure that their defensiveness can't be discussed in any way. Not a lot else to say.

A specific injunction to ensure privacy is cool, something so wide ranging that it just gets ridiculous not so much. A former head of RBS having such an encompassing injunction that he can't be referred to as a banker is ridiculous. Stupidly wide injunction, no need, shouldn't have been granted.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Here comes the hyper-injunctions:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ing-to-MP.html

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

I wonder if some of us will think that this can be laid solely at the feet of the media when in this case it had nothing to do with the privacy of a celebrity..but was a gagging order to protect a corporation from being sued quite rightly for offences against public safety plus it actually goes against the HUMAN rights of the gagged to actually speak to their MP,enshrined in British law..

There is privacy and then there is secrecy..

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

This particular case can't "be laid soley at the feet of the media", but the general principle can. Are you surprised that well-paid lawyers are taking advantage of a legal precedent?

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Actually I blame the judiciary and the last government for allowing it to happen on their watch.

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

What, exactly? The use of "super-injunctions", or invasion of privacy by the press?

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

You really think that I value the right to privacy above the right to conceal illegal activities?Get real..:rolleyes:

Re: Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker
 

Well it doesn't have to be an "either/or" situation, does it? :dozey:

Surely the laywers could write a law that prohibited the exposure of personal details of individuals, unless this was in the public interest.

I still maintain that Great British Red-top Journalists led us down this path. Shame on them, and all who pay their salaries.