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I have a DVB-c Pci card and wish to view FTA from VM.
What i am looking for is the Transponder frequencies for the Liverpool area
so i can scan the channels in

Tnx in advance............

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Did not know there was any fta

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If you are talking of the analogue based channels for BBC1, BB2, ITV, Channel 4 & Five, transmitted over cable then those have generally been swithed off as the network goes digital.

If you are trying to do something else, then if they are encrypted TV channels you'd need a subscribed Set Top Box and connect the output from that to your TV card.

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You are simply not allowed to do what you intend.

The only legitimate way to receive cable channels is via a subscribed Virgin Media STB. You cannot connect to the Virgin Media cable without being a paying Virgin Media customer.

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you used to be able to receive some channels FTA on analogue as well as the five main channels others such as E4 & CNBC Europe amongst others were also available. if analogue cable is still available in your area then you'l be able to pick them up otherwise you wont get anything. in Sheffield & Stoke On Trent nothing can be picked up anymore duno about Liverpool tho. seeing as your original question is about DVB-C as far as im aware no channels broadcast FTA on digital cable in the UK so you wont get anything legally & discussing things like that on this forum aint allowed

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We have not had the analogue signal for years in Liverpool so the will be no signal to pick up.

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The OP has asked the same question on the OTHER cable forums ;)

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I am not at all surprised by that as he probably thinks it is a way of receiving free channels that he would otherwise have to pay for, which is not going to happen.https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/10.gif

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Why's that then, LOL?


Perhaps it would be a good idea to cut off all cable feeds to unsubscribed properties.




Yes, and he got a much better answer than he did here.;)

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Hence the rollout last year of the Nagra3 cards which stopped virtually every cable thief in their tracks.https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/10.gif




That is because this site does not advocate the theft of services.https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/11/13.gif

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Actually, it did not. There is some way to go yet..



Also the OP was asking about FTA channels, which I presume means those that are unscrambled.

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All Virginmedia channels require Virginmedia equipment on a live account to receive them.

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If someone was using a chipped or illegal box they are no longer working, and only card sharing rings are able to get around it but it is still rather complicated to do so.

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I suggest that you do a little more research then, if that is what you believe.

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No need to as the are a lot less illegal boxes out there which makes Virginmedia's job a lot easier to trace them and prosecute the users.

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I'm convinced a fair few of these people who do this are techie types who do it not so much so they avoid payment, rather that they do it because they think they can. Like sticking two fingers up to the system. Anyone suggesting it's like the old days when you just got a cheapo box and connected it up is wrong.

And anyway haven't a lot of people found they have had the service shut down?, surely it can't be rocket science to trace the servers, obviously not given the reports. And they have to pay for access to those servers too, they must be mad in my opinion.

I have noticed Sky and other broadcasters are even flashing up a serial number on screen now to catch out some of the online streams.

It will probably go on but it's no where near as widepsread as when VM used their 'strong as selloptape' encryption!

The game will be up eventually, I read one system has even stopped the sharing route now so well done to them, i'm sure they will all follow.

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The ones using servers are the targets as the people using them are of no use when trying to close them down, the release of the Nagra3 cards has killed most of the illegal users connections so I find it very funny that people are still bidding on set boxes that will never work or can never to added to their accounts, they think like SKY you can buy a box from anywhere and use it.

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Interestingly,there does seem to be some unscrambled channels transmitted. I am able to watch some channels (BBC1, BBC2, ITV1,Ch4 and Ch5 plus others) with the card removed.

Also, DVB-C is a documented standard and tuners for it are readily available to purchase perfectly legally.

So, with a live feed, what the OP wants to do should be possible.

(Cannot try myself, as I only have official subscribed VM equipment)

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They are the only channels you can get but again you still need the box for them to work as the have been threads and posts asking if they can connect to the outlet.

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CNBC is clear too I think.

It hardly seems worthwhile though to go to the trouble of using a DVB-C PC Card, I can sort of understand people using their STB output to connect to a PC to record stuff but as has been pointed out virtually everything of interest is securely encrypted.

Each to their own though.

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There are areas where DVB-T reception is difficult or there is no aerial, the same goes for satellite, so I suppose anything is better than nothing. For years we all just had channels 1 to 4/5 on analogue terrestrial, and were happy with it, many still are.

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Please point me to where Cable have given FTA digital channels to users in the past via a PC card. ???, As for his answer it was not what he was really after and we all know that ;)

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Its still stopped most of the spoon fed morons that get there boxes down the pub or at the computer fair. Plus there has been 2 servers killed and i am sure they will be another one soon ;)

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As a reminder to those considering doing this while these same cards, etc, work fine throughout the world and probably have RF isolation as good as VM's own hardware when they are connected to the Virgin Media network they apparently endanger service for everyone in your local area, raise the blood pressure of the staff on this forum and a kitten dies.

Think of the NHS, think of the kittens.

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They are not authorised by VM its as simple as that, So there is no need for emotive Kitten responses to try and score points at the expense of others :). Bet you would not be happy if your customers were messing with your network kit when they should not be or are stealing service that they should pay for. ???

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Cute

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I want the ginger one :)

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/03/52.jpg

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hahaha :D

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For a start, vm are leaving live feeds to unsubscribed properties, that constitutes being given I think.

Also we do not know what the op was after, but it appears that he was just after the unscrambled channels reading the 'other' posts.

As I understand it, morons can buy plug and play boxes, just as they could before, they just work differently of course.

As for the servers, we shall see won't we.it will be a challenge I think though.

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Try connecting a box up and it will not work possibly it may give you the 5 channels that is all and all you need is for a new customer to sign up and they remove your connection in the cabinet.

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They are currently being disconnected around the country. ;)

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Good job too!

Funnily enough, I went to one property and the vm feed was being used to watch DTT, lol.

( so close to CP transmitter, that the coax was acting as an antenna)

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So what? That sounds sensible to me.

[QUOTE=Masque;35187987]All Virginmedia channels require Virginmedia equipment on a live account to receive them.[COLOR="Silver"]

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Nonsense. Ex sub boxes and some TV's with a cable tuner can be used.

Exactly.

There are loads of FTA channels on the VM system.

Some examples are:

BBC1
BBC2
ITV1
C4
C5
ITV2+1
ITV3+1
ITV4+1
Pricedrop TV
BBC3
BBC4
BBC News
CBBC
CBEEBIES

All radio stations.

To check for yourself, just remove your card from the box!

The downsides are that you may lose the service at any time VM decide to disconnect you at the cabinet and there is a better choice with Freeview.

I believe VM know about this and aren't too bothered. This is because some months ago they moved a shopping channel that they part own (Bid TV OR Pricedrop I think) from M to FTA. Understandably, they want maximum exposure to their shopping channel.

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there is ways of doing it but the keys are getting changed very quickly which is making it hard for the pirates to keep up from what iv heard. anyways as i said above people cant be helped with things like that on this forum

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[QUOTE=RichardCoulter;35188158]So what? That sounds sensible to me.

& thats part of the problem if they did disconnect ex subscribers then the problem would be largely solved as im sure not many pirates would know how to reconnect themselves at the cabinet

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which is why some are called spoon fed idiots and could not even wire up a 3 pin plug without help :LOL:

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But you would still be better to get a freeview box and stick an aerial in the back as you will get all those channels and more, also a new install cuts you off.

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If someone just has broadband can they block the TV signals coming through to the house if the don't subscribe to a TV package?

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To get the channels you need a Vbox and a paired card on your account.

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Yeah I get that but what I mean is those tealeaves using the sharing boxes which I am assuming are not official VM kit, if they are a legitimate broadband customer but not a TV customer do the TV signals still reach the house?

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As it uses the same cable as the broadband but on a different frequency the is no way to stop it but you need the correct kit to decode it, hence if the are no services at a property and a neighbour becomes a customer then the is every likelihood that that tap will be used to connect the new customer.

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Yes they do apparently.

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Yes because VM dont turn them off at the box , even if they have no services , unless the cab becomes to congested.

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I get it now,

Sky did the on screen number thing again today when Liverpool were playing Manchester United (ahem). I was at my brother's and a number flashed up for a second or so in different parts of the screen on 2 occasions.

It might be the card or account number, I have not noticed if VM do it.

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This forum narks me off sometimes.

Somebody comes on and asks a legitimate question about using a piece of equipment to receive services on a piece of equipment VM do not authorise (but just about every other DVB-C system are fine with). VM staffers then effectively lynch the guy, accusing him of trying to hack in to paid for channels.

I've said it once, I'll say it again - it's a joke how little access you're supposed to have to a telecommunications line coming in to your house! This is the sort of thing the GPO were renowned for!

Wanting to receive channels on an unauthorised piece of equipment is not a crime and certainly isn't immoral.

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But there are no Virgin FTA channels.....

and it's not the wire the OP wants, but the channels (content, not communication channel....).

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Then that's the answer, no need for any accusations!

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These are unique codes that link to the card, so if a game was being streamed online for example, sky could trace it back to whos card it was

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Could you please refrain from using this word on here LOL :D

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I see, that makes sense.

Do VM do it too, I cannot say I have noticed but I don't always have Sky Sports you see.

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dont think so, sky use the sky box to make the code like a press red image kinda of thing, so im pretty sure they wouldn't be able to that with a virgin box

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You would think Sky would make VM do it too (within their own technology structure) wouldn't you as there are potentially millions of people who could get away with it using a cable feed of Sky Sports.

I have never understood why people do it anyway, maybe they are frustrated wannabe channel operators!

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It is already been established that there are DVB-C channels that are not scrambled being sent to homes, so yes, by the generally understood UK definition of FTA,there are FTA channels.


Also, perhaps I'm missing the relevance of Sky showing codes on the screen during football matches, but these would be aimed I believe at those trying to use domestic subs in public premises (pubs/clubs), whereby a Sky spy would get the card disabled. Sky Italia certainly were doing this successfully.

Since only Sky can officially supply the pubs, Virgin would have no need for this. Though they have put up channels that only illegal boxes would find, with a message aiming to scare the dimmest of cable pirates into paying for their services.

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It could be for the reason you say, using a domestic subsciption in a pub but don't the pub channels have a little pint glass on screen that changes colour and position? I have seen match reports on ITV/BBC News that have both the pint glass and the code on screen too.

But also the streaming reason seems very plausible too.

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Yes, the pubs have a Pint glass, and would obviously help identify a legitimate commercial subscriber, but for the ones that are not, the numbers on screen would make it very easy to identify the culprit domestic card, and get it disabled.

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They have a wine glass on Sky Italia, they are much more sophisticated than us!

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lol :d

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Well think of this. Lets say VM can do this with the card number, All they have to do is buy a card sharing box, Set it up and then flick the switch at the head end to show the card number or numbers. When they have the card number's that are being used by the sharing server they can turn them off. This would be the same process Sky use i think.

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For Sky boxes this is easy, as the Sky box that is being used puts the numbers onto the screen locally (i.e the card number of the card within the box is pasted up). But with unofficial satellite receivers, the numbers do not appear. Thus VM would not be able to do it, because unofficial receivers are being used to view the channels, and even if offiicial receivers were used at the upload servers, no-one is ever going to see them.

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I would be surprised if Nagra would not have something in place like you say, it sounds so simple dosen't it but would be highly effective I bet.

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But at the headend you would only know that lots of cards are being used and not which ones are being shared, so the card numbers could not be added to the video there, it can only be done at the box that has the card in it.

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lol some people are just plain thick mate simple as lol

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thats how many people get a live feed they get the lowest broadband & get TV illegally for free

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actually the OP didnt make it clear if he wanted every channel or not & he may have just said FTA so that he wouldnt get banned. as for using unauthorised equipment while its not illegal it breaks VM's T&C

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yes thats correct

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& thats what The Pub Channel on Sky is for

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I know the pub versions of Sky Sports and ESPN don't appear in the domestic EPG and subsequently the domestic versions don't appear in a commecial EPG so it would be glaringly obvious if a pub was using a domestic subscription anyway. And I read they use unique trailers when the adverts are on which do not appear on a commercial subscription and on the other hand unique pub related advertising with commercial subscriptions too, I cannot say I have noticed myself. As far as I recall though I didn't notice the glass on Sky 3D when I have watched matches at a bar.

I also read some pubs were even putting a glass sticker on their screens but they now use different coloured glass dogs and change the position so an inspector could spot them. But as has been said that wouldn't help them with the serial number appearing on screen anyway.

I must say that although i'm not a frequent visitor to pubs I don't recall anyone using a domestic Sky subscription anyway, and of course lots of outlets seemingly still use use overseas packages too

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It's the ongoing over-reaction that's the funny part.

As a reminder there are tens of millions of homes with cable where once the cable reaches their premises the customer can do whatever they want with it and they run ok.

Employees seem to be getting more and more zealous, quite unnecessarily. The guy asked a perfectly reasonable question and it wasn't a precursor to stealing service, if he'd wanted to try to steal service he would not be using a CAMless cable card.

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There are notched filters available that VM could use if they chose to - in many areas blocking everything bar return path and 295 - 343MHz downstream would be quite adequate. These could be attached at the tap of BBI only customers to ensure that BBI is all they get.

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thats correct & now your allowed to get subscriptions if your a business from a company that is in another country

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Yes, that reminds me, does anyone know the answer to the orig question? :D

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You are jumping the gun a bit on subscriptions from abroad.

No decision has been made yet. All that has happened is the Advocate General of The European Court of Justice has made a recomendation along those lines, nothing more at this stage.

The ECJ will rule later this year.

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I never come across a pub using a domestic sky sub on a sky box, but i have come across the few that use a VM box to show sky sports, thats is just as bad, one pub had the VM box on display for all to see, and another the epg came up a few times, the area i live in is a very very popular area for virgin media

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I bought a Sony TV at Christmas that is able to tune in cable channels, only got the BBC and ITV channels and about 5 versions of Channel 4.

Also picked up loads of on demand feeds, could see TV shows coming on and being fast forwarded and stopped.

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My Samsung has a cable tuner too and periodically I have had a nosey to see if anything new is testing but I couldnt answer the OP's question as it has auto tune, I have no idea what the frequencies are.

The FTA channels come in loud and clear, no on demand feeds though, BBC red button streams and that's it. Loads of BBC/ITV regions and even RTE's channels appear in the list but no actual video appears for the other regions except my local ones.

Virtually everything is of course scrambled.

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:juggle:
:ghugs:

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actually they have said that shes ok to do it atm but a final decision hasnt been made

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i highly doubt that you got on demand

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That is incorrect.

She had long since stopped using that system after she was fined. She, like everyone else has to await the ECJ ruling. No one is allowed to legally susbcribe to a territorial foreign subscription service yet. They simply do not hold broadcast rights for the United Kingdom and that is the main issue that will be getting considered, how rights will be marketed in future. It will take months for the rulng, and quite possibly years to sort out the rights issues. It is a mess.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12355022

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At the moment everyone is waiting for the final ruling. But in the meantime pubs and clubs are not being prosecuted for using European providers to show football matches.The sky spies can only sit back and drink their beer, unless a sky card from Europe is in use.
Sky's commercial fees are a rip off anyway. Competition is badly needed.

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thats not what was said on the news

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It is on the news I have watched and read.

She obtained that subscription through a third party. You still cannot obtain that card she had legally but if you want to you are free to try!!! They simply do not hold rights outside of Greece. That's what needs sorting out and it's obviously a mammoth task to resolve.


http://www.nova.gr/1500-el-gr.cmt?

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They were able to tune into the on demand streams that others were accessing. This is entirely possible as they're unencrypted. You can't control what's being watched, or control the stream yourself, but it's perfectly possible to tune into an on demand stream that someone else has requested.

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Very interesting Posts.
First of all i am a Satallite user but having just moved house
i have not had time to setup my 1.2 meter motorised Sat dish.
I view Tv through my pc using both a DVB-S & a DVB-C pci cards.
Hence all i wanted is to watch a few channels till i get my Sat dish up.
I do not want to watch VM scrambled channels - I do not want to watch
freeview channels.
I do not want to steal from VM i do not want to hack N3 ( impossible anyway )
The card i am using is quite legal (not a box i bought down the pub).
Hence i am not a thief or a scally looking for something for nowt.
but if some of you think that watching BBc news & a few other fta channels
is breaking the law GOD HELP US ALL.
For those interested

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k7.../Screentv1.jpg

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You describe these channels as free to air, which they are. However, you want to receive them via Virgin Media's cable system, where they are not free. Who do you think pays for and maintains all the equipment that carries these signals?

If you want to view free to air channels for nothing, put up an aerial or a satellite dish.

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Obviously you didn't actually read the OPs post just before yours properly. It is a stop gap until he gets his gear sorted.

And since- The feed is live, the channels are unscrambled,and it is not illegal, no harm is being done.

And in VM don't like it, they need keep up with the job of disconnecting unsubscribed feeds.

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I totally understand where you are coming from, it's clear you do not intend to obtain pay services on the sly, as you quite rightly say you cannot do that anyway with the set up you have.

However Virgin Media's terms and conditions state:-

You may not use any reception equipment to receive the television services other than the equipment we have provided to you for the express purpose of receiving the television services (such as a set-top box).

I think that's all some people are saying but perhaps there's a nicer way of saying it. I am a paying customer and as I have openly said used the cable tuner in my TV to see if any new services are testing. I have no intention whatsoever to steal anything (i'm paying anyway) but to the letter of the law (well the terms and conditions) even I shouldn't really directly connect my TV to the network.

My understanding is it isn't illegal but is against VM's terms and conditions, maybe it's because you could affect the network for paying customers as it's not approved kit, I know that's unlikely but there you go. It's really upto you what you decide to do but I would guess there are probably other sites you are more likely to get the answer you are looking for. I honestly don't know the answer anyway as my TV has autotune and I am not on the Liverpool network even though I am only in Wirral. Liverpool is an ex-Telewest area and Wirral is an ex-CWC area. They might use the same frequencies, then again they might not.

I hope that helps, well sort of

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i can insure you that on demand is encrypted

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i agree plus if you look at the pic that the op has posted it shows CNBC in the channel list, which while CNBC was FTA on analogue cable it isint on digital & if hes actually watching CNBC & the like then that is indeed illegal. it may just be showing up but he cant actually watch it either way using equipment that VM havent supplied to you brakes their T&C so whether its illegal or not is besides the point really you shouldnt be using what you are anyways

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Oh no, someone on the Internet doesn't believe me... what shall I do :cry: :rolleyes:

However, just for your information it was Eastenders and the TV show One Born every minute on Channel 4.

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lol doesnt really matter what it was tbh, on demand is encrypted & copy protected

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Unless things have changed drastically in the past couple of months that's not the case.

Btw I don't "thinks that its ok to illegally watch on demand". There's a huge difference between pointing out what's possible, and what should be done. Please find any one of my posts that supports people illegally accessing content.

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If Virgin Media leave you connected and the cable is in your house, how is it illegal to connect your tv, and view what comes thought that cable? your not hacking any boxes?

Its the same as accessing a wireless network if its not got a password as long as your not doing any hacking surly there is nothing wrong?

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you are telling people that it can be done when it cant & by doing so you are encouraging people to try it

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no one said that its illegal to get FTA channels from VM what was said was that it brakes their T&C when you use equipment that they havent supplied

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If you have a contract with VM then using it is breach of contract as the terms state only VM supplied equipment can be attached.
If you don't have a contract with VM, then technically there's nothing illegal about it as long as it's not decrypting anything.

Accessing an unprotected wireless network would fall under the computer misuse act as it's unauthorised access, it doesn't matter if it's open or not as far as the law is concerned.

So if I say that windows are fragile and you can break them with a hammer am I encouraging people to break into houses?

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For the record CNBC is not encrypted on VM or indeed Sky either. VM stopped scrambling it when Sky did.

Take you card out and see, nevertheless I agree that the T&C's state unofficial equipment shouldn't be used to view it.

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ok i accept that it maybe FTA in your are however iv just checked & i cant get it when i remove the viewing card

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yes

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Strange as it's been reported as FTA in all manner of different locations.

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Same here, CNBC works. Can also watch VOD without a viewing card... just tried with Food that made Billions on BBC One late last night.

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I thought VOD was delivered completely differently to linear TV , it isn't at all like a linear TV stream is it?

I would guess it is protected but I am not surprised the card dosen't manage entitlements.

BT Vision is the same, the card was merely for linear channels.

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i only know what i am able to do or not do myself with regards to it being FTA im not just saying it for the fun of it uno

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I can't see anyone suggesting otherwise.

If it's scrambled there its scrambled!:)