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Father arrested after clipping his son, 13, round the ear while police quizzed boy over burglary




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it's the parents fault
Why do parents allow their children to run wild??

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Because you may get arrested if you try and discipline them.

what he should have done like any normal parent would do, is to have told him he's going on the naughty step when he gets home.

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Thus further undermining the Father's authority and reinforcing the childs feelings that he can get away with anything he wants to do. :rolleyes:

Our namby pamby PC society will continue to fall apart until somebody in authority grows a pair and deals with the drinking, discipline and lack of respect issues that afflict a sizable proportion of todays young people.

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From the OP link whilst in the police station.

Not quite a "clip around the ear", is it?

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On the news yesterday there was a report about kids that had vandalised graves at a cemetery. if the kids were there they'd say "what you gonna do, what can you do?"

I'd tell them "I'm gonna beat the crap out of ya"

You can bet there would be somebody saying "see, this is why we need to protect kids. and let them know that they can do what they want. when you got horrible men like Gary around"

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I don't think they would say that just because you threatened to chastise the unruly moppets, Gary.....

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if they had reported it he could have got arrested for threatening behavior

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He should have done what any other decent parent would do, tell the police to read him the riot act and threaten to throw the book at him.

Wait till he got him home and given him a good old fashioned ass whooping.

My dad would have got me home and said

"pick a window"

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This is where pure stupidy comes to mind, a clip round the earrole won't harm anyone, BUT this is where you get the do gooders of this world come into it.

YOU SHOULD NEVER HIT A CHILD, TAKE AWAY THERE LUXURIES, what a load of B's

This is why there is so much ASB, becuase kids are allowed to get away with murder so to speak, If my kids, were ever bad, that is precisely what l would do, getting clip round the ear didn't do me any harm what so ever.

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Didn't do me any harm either.......Eh!.......what's that you say.........speak up I'm a bit deaf.............. :D

Sorry for being facetious, just couldn't resist.

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Arthur, it wasn't a clip round the ear, it was hitting him on the side of the face.

Anyhoo, is it me, or is the child in the photo not very mature for a 14 year old?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/03/41.jpg

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ooppss

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Reaction is understandable on all sides. The father obviously felt helpless and angry in what would have been a very stressful situation, the police can't have people being violent in the police station and took the only action they could. Bit of a non-story to be honest, made for 'political correctness gone mad' brigade to rattle their teaspoons at.

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Not 'moderate and reasonable chastisement' either. He didn't dish out a punishment, he lost his rag and thumped a child.

Parental discipline is only effective in the long term if it is delivered in a controlled way. If it's uncontrolled it is totally counterproductive.

Daily Fail. Again. :D

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He slapped not thumped, I say it was deserved, my dad would have done the same but with no witnesses.

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I am all for giving your child a slap when all else has failed but never in temper and always controlled

This guy appears to have lost control and lashed out never right in any situation

I have not had to slap Bethia for many years because I am lucky so far as she listens to reason(oh and I have a frightening bellow lol)

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Parents are not always able to control their kids. Sometimes and through no fault of their own the child can rebel. What do you do when you tell your kid no and he/she continues to do it anyway? What do you do when you ground the child and he/she refuses to stay in? you lock the door they climb out of the window you tie them up you get arrested.

Society has just as much to blame as the parents. There is no deterant.

When I was 16 I commited a crime got caught and got 12 hours Attendance Centre. The place was hell the guards( or whatever you want to call them) were evil and for me it was a deterant ( I managed to not get caught again lol) I was a orrible kid off the rails glue sniffing commiting crime. Both my Mum and my Dad kicked 10 shades out of me regularly and it never stopped me.

The deterant needs to be in society. Tougher sentances something the kid will hate ( community serivce but hard work perhaps) as things are kids just get away with it

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It's the same.

I wouldn't hesitate in clipping mine round the side of the head if they showed lack of respect to anyone.

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I suppose it comes down to what is a clip round the ear,what is a thumping,slap,smack and beating?

I don't think the law is very clear on what is and what is not 'allowed' as parental punishment and frankly it may just be down to a particular policeman's interpretation.:erm:

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And maybe the parent interfered with the police investigation?

I have to say the corporal punishment is a good tool to use with children but it needs to be done within a loving relationship, controlled and with the child fully understanding what is happening. It also needs to be appropriate to the "crime". It isn't easy all the time especially when the kids are trying to "kill" each other (mine are 8 and 5).

And afterwards it needs reaffirming of your love and care. That may mean cuddles/tickles/hugs as appropriate.

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:clap:

Same would have happened to me as well. I remember getting a clip round the ear off a bobby once. Does PC Dooley ring a bell Pabs ?

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Or, thus re-inforcing that violence is the answer to everything.

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Sorry, but that's absolute rubbish. How on Earth can you commit a violent act towards another human being and call it a loving relationship?

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We shared time together Ha Ha.........

All joking apart I didn't grow up in Warrington, my stomping ground was nearer Manchester, where lets just say a clip round the ear was followed by an elbow or two ;).

And the funny thing is, as young kids we respected the Police for it, partially because they scared the crap out of us, but they helped support the ethos instilled on us by our parents.

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Or maybe showing that actions have consequences. You do something wrong it results in an unpleasant experience you don't wish to repeat.

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When little Johnny pushes his little sister into the road and a big bus slams on his brakes and just about avoids killing her?

Naughty Johnny. naughty step for you when we get home.

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I remember crying my eyes out over the side of my bed and seeing an all-5-digits red thing well up on my thigh. And then had to go to church.
Can't for the life of me remember what I'd done to deserve it. But I never forgot it.

There are sometimes better ways to 'get your point over'. But... can't disagree with the notion of : if a PC ticks you off then your parents proabably should do too. To me it seems thay were doing the 'parenting' for you.

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there is no reason to ever raise a hand to a child. no excuses. people can give it the old 'it never did me any harm' line all they like, but that does not make it right in any way. why are parents so against actually talking to their child and just as importantly, listening to them?

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Parents who choose to use smacking as discipline don't need any excuses Idi. It's not wrong. ;)

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they treat them as property -not fellow human beings that need guidance .
and some parents don't do listening .:(

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whether one believes it right or wrong, it still isn't necessary and teaches the wrong lesson, being that striking another (with whatever force) is ok. it's not.

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But that is your opinion and is not necessarily everyone else's.It is not in actual fact a crime to physically punish a child.It is a crime to beat a child but not to smack.Whilst your opinion is valid for you it is by no means valid for all.

Personally I think it would be nice if parents were on the whole allowed (within the rules we do have) to punish their children as they see fit without Uncle Tom Cobley and all, wagging a finger at them in disagreement.

Parents are either in trouble because they don't punish enough OR they punish too much.They are damned if they do,damned if they don't.

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so you believe then, that teaching a child that smacking is ok is a good lesson?

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I believe in parents being allowed to deal with their own children in the way that suits them..without being nagged about it..and I was smacked and I survived..as did my children..They have turned out just fine and they are not going around dishing out beatings to all and sundry anymore than I am.

The idea that smacking a child automatically teaches them to be violent is a fallacy.

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it seems you failed to spot the irony in your own post there - how I commented that smacking the child will generally teach that child to believe smacking others is ok. this is proven by you saying you were smacked as a child and that you then grew up to smack you own, and then say that by smacking a child, they won't grow up to use violence on others...

in the same light, I was not smacked as a child. i turned out ok. never taken drugs, never drink alcohol, never been cautioned or arrested, did well in education. I have never smacked my daughter her entire life. she too is doing very well at 9 years old. 6er in brownies, was in a competing gymnastics team, is doing really well at school in top groups, every review she has, the school always comments on her excellent and kind attitude and nature....


which leads me to think, if children who are not smacked turn out just as well as those who are, why would one chose to smack a child at all?

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its the lazy option - it gets your authority stamped on your property with the minimum of effort .

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why rule with respect when you can rule with fear instead?

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I wasn't smacked all the time and I didn't have to smack my children all the time.This is the fallacy that you like to smear perfectly good parents with.That just because we choose this option that we must do it all the time.The things is I didn't just smack my children..I used a reward system as well..but you don't want to know that I'm sure.You have already labelled me as a bad parent in your own mind.

Neither of my children are criminals or thugs or bullies,take drugs, steal and are delightful adults with no hatred of me at all.

So if smacking doesn't make a bad adult why not smack them?

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Good use of emotive language there.Good job that my kids did and still do respect me though.

As I said you must do as you see fit in punishing your children BUT you really should respect that others may have a different way to achieve the same ends.

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This is what happened to a 15 year old in my local police station recently. Be interesting to see the outcome of the investigation!!!!
http://www.andoveradvertiser.co.uk/n...olice_station/

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I'm disappointed that you chose to put words in my mouth, especially as a mod. I have at no stage called you a bad parent nor have I labelled you or anyone else. it is not a fallacy that a smacked child tends to grow up to be a smacking parent - youself as part of the proof there. obviously, this is not the case for all smacked children, but on the whole there is a trend. there's a reason behind such sayings as 'violence begets violence'.

I chose not to mention you reward system as well because you failed to tell me about it. but now you have, so well done.

Again, at no stage did I say they were - why are you putting words in my mouth again, Maggy?

as for your comment on 'why not smack them' - well surely you can see how ridiculous that statement is??? it makes it sound like you are advocating physical harm or at the very least, physical discomfort, on a child when there is no need to do so being that a smacked child and a non-smack one can both turn out well.


hey - they're your kids, do what you want to them. My point is that I believe there is no need to raise a hand to a child when (and even you yourself have stated here) smacking a child makes them turn out no better than a non smacked child in terms of personality. parents seem less interested in talking to their child and listening to them.

if a child runs out into the road, the first reaction of some parents is to drag them back and smack them. Why? were they embarrased that they didn't have complete control over their child and allowed a potential lethal situation to occur? why not explain to the child why what they did was so dangerous? and if the parent feels the child is too young to understand, then at least hold their hand when walking in the street.

children are not stupid. that do understand things. and if they are crying in town, don't smack them and tell them to shut up. stop walking, kneel down at their level and ask them why they are upset. a child cries for a reason, but some parents seem not to be able to grasp that.

as for my final comment you quoted, this is exactly what dictators do. rule with fear, not respect - although they believe it is respect. a slightly delusional state of self importance and superiority. there are parents out there who do the same thing on a small scale with their kids and even wives. I'm not saying you are one of them, but it is certainly a technique that is well in use.

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Yes. Is that an issue for you ?

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yes it is. why is it not for you? implying to a child that forcing physical discomfort on another is the right thing to do, in my view, is disgraceful, unresponsible and un-necessary. in a world where violence is becoming more prevelent and almost acceptable in society, should we not all be doing our part as adults to ensure we stamp out this sort of behaviour at the very earliest stages of life? the roots of behaviour start by the lessons learned from those closest to us as children. if those people send a message that smacking is ok, then those adults are no more mature than the children they 'teach', in my opinion. i lose count on the number of times I have seen one child smack another only for the parent to then go over to the child and smack them whilst telling them they should not smack others... where the hell is the logic in that? the child thinks smacking is ok because that is what happens to them. but when they put into practice the lessons they learn, they get told not to by the very means they are being told not to use themselves!!!

It's totally beyond me how so many people see no problem in smacking children. how many people would rather physically punish over taking the time to talk and listen to children. unbelievable, it really is. and saddening, to be frank. to think that we consider ourselves a civilized society, but smacking a child is ok.

in my opinion.

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Because it isnt.

In my view, the use of physical discomfort is just as valid as other methods.

Strangely enough, the human race appears to have survived quite nicely for many thousands of years without it being an issue. In more recent times, since the PC/whatever brigade have managed to cripple all forms of physical deterrant, crime rates seem to have gone up.

Exactly.

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I was beat up by 2 DCs once in a cell when I was 15. haven't got around to tracking them down and killing them yet :)

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i guess some people have a different type or relationship with their children
i have never raised a hand to mine and they have Grown up just fine ,i am/was capable of shouting and removing play privileges /grounding/withholding pocket monies etc - they are 21 and 23 years old now and still seek my approval for most major decisions they make ,its just a mark of respect that they still have for their old dad .

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My children consult me..but as I tell them the decision is yours to make..As is the one for parents to punish their children in the way they see fit.;)

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I have to say, I'll be a bit worried if my kids are asking my approval for major decisions by the time they're in their 20s. I would hope I'm not domineering over them such that they don't feel able to grow up and be who they want to be. Nor would I consider their looking for my approval to be a mark of respect. Rather I'd be worried that I had failed to teach them to be responsible for themselves.

Advice, on the other hand, well that would say "respect" to me.

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Yea but a clip around the ear did not turn me into a raving homicidal lunatic like the anti slap brigade would make you think.

That Bobby did that instead of taking me down the nick and spending hours filling out forms just because me and my m8 nicked an inner tube from the scrap yard for when we went swimming in the canal. He also made us apologise to the owner of the scarp yard who then gave us an old inner tuber and said go have some fun and just ask next time. :)

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i bow to your many many many years of parenting experience ,how could i have got it so wrong ,if only you where there to advise me ,but you were probably only a child yourself 23 years ago .

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Mmm. So the best response you have is to claim that because you did it before I did, you must have done it better than I did? Great. That makes a lot of sense. Not. Or perhaps you think it's your right as an older person for us mere children to have your approval before we do anything really serious and drastic like living our own lives?

I'll stick to my own methods, I think, and aim to introduce adults to the world who aren't paralysed by worry over what I'll think of them as they confront life's big decisions.

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A very gentle comment from me:
I wholeheartedly agree that parenting goes on until the little 'un's are no longer little and can run on their own feet because you did your job well.
But sometimes - if they come back for some more support then something is really going astray and they would like advice and/or a pair of arms. Sometimes life can still get too tough for them all by themselves. Judging how to deal with that is the toughie.
Being asked for advice is a huge pat on the back for me too :)

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I don't see your point. What does more violence reinforce? Maybe next time he will push harder; better to be hanged for a sheep than a lamb.

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But it seems you did, which is kind of the point. You remember the punishment more than the crime. If you can't remember why you were being punished, you are more likely to repeat it.

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But, judging by the report in the OP, this was more than just a smack.

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I suspect you are quite correct.
Knowing me, I had probably spoken my mind - 'answered back'. And I still re-offend. :D

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Maybe he already was pushing her harder than he usually does into the road. eventually the naughty step will take effect, and he'll stop doing it and she gets to live?

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I'm sure it was and the police had no other choice.

What I object to is people like you who want to interfere and wag the finger at parents who choose to smack.What you do with your children as punishment is your business.What other parents do that is within the law is not yours.

I've stated my opinion and I'm saying no more.