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Hom3r 04-03-2011 11:21

England prescription charges to rise
 
Well just as Scotland make prescription charges free, England is rising to £7.40 up by 20p.:mad:

So no guesses why the Scots are getting them free:rolleyes:.

So now people cannot afford to be ill.

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That would cost my mum over £59 pm a £2 rise, if she had to pay. But she's retired.

But there will be people out there in a similar situation.

Ignitionnet 04-03-2011 11:34

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Your mum pays individually for 8 prescriptions a month?

Your mum is under 60?

Sorry but prescription charges are still minimal and we remain, dentistry aside, a nation with very, very few co-pay elements to our healthcare system.

Gary L 04-03-2011 11:37

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Prices are going up all over the shop.
at this rate we'll all be having to pack our jobs in as we can't afford the cost of living.

it might not seem so bad, but if you add everthing up at the end of the week it probably comes to about a few quid. then you times it by 4 and you get a month.

Hom3r 04-03-2011 11:38

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35186629)
Your mum pays individually for 8 prescriptions a month?

Your mum is under 60?

Sorry but prescription charges are still minimal and we remain, dentistry aside, a nation with very, very few co-pay elements to our healthcare system.

I've edited my post to make it clearer.

Before she retired she had one of those upfront payment card for prescriptions, which saved her loads.

richard1960 04-03-2011 11:43

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Anybody needing a lot of prescriptions can still buy a pre payment certificate which could save them a lot of money over 12 mnths

http://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/1127.aspx

Ignitionnet 04-03-2011 11:44

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Costs are still minimal, and as a reminder:

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You are also entitled to free prescriptions if you or your partner (including civil partners) are named on, or are entitled to, an NHS tax credit exemption certificate or a valid HC2 certificate (full help with health costs), or you receive either:
Income Support
Income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance
Income-related Employment and Support Allowance, or
Pension Credit Guarantee Credit
Also

http://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/1125.aspx

It's the complete disconnect between healthcare costs and the delivery of that healthcare that are a major problem with the NHS - if we were paying a social insurance premium alongside co-pay the NHS would be more broadly and better funded and its funding wouldn't be a political football. I would very much like to see more co-pay elements so have absolutely no objection or issue with increasing prescription charges.

Hugh 04-03-2011 11:46

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35186632)
Prices are going up all over the shop.
at this rate we'll all be having to pack our jobs in as we can't afford the cost of living.

it might not seem so bad, but if you add everthing up at the end of the week it probably comes to about a few quid. then you times it by 4 and you get a month.

Then how would you afford the cost of living?:confused:

Gary L 04-03-2011 11:52

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35186639)
Then how would you afford the cost of living?:confused:

I was thinking of the dole. they'll cover most of the expense.

Hugh 04-03-2011 11:56

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35186643)
I was thinking of the dole. they'll cover most of the expense.

I think you may be disappointed.....

But if you do, let us know how you get on....

Osem 04-03-2011 11:57

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Fore those who require lots of items and don't get free prescriptions these are a good idea:

http://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/1127.aspx

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If you will have to pay for four or more prescription items in three months, or more than 14 items in 12 months, you may find it cheaper to buy a PPC. The charge for a single prescription item is £7.20, whereas a three month PPC will cost you £28.25 and a 12 month PPC £104.00.

Hom3r 04-03-2011 12:02

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I think the major issue here is why are the rest of the UK getting free prescriptions while the English are having to pay more?

Yet another fail for the "CON-DEMs"

richard1960 04-03-2011 12:06

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35186653)
I think the major issue here is why are the rest of the UK getting free prescriptions while the English are having to pay more?

Yet another fail for the "CON-DEMs"

Its all own to the devolution of the regions ie wales/scotland having their own decision making assemblies which have voted for the prescription charges in their areas,whereby our own rulers have decided on something very diffierent.

MovedGoalPosts 04-03-2011 12:33

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The point is that Wales and Scotland somehow have their own assemblies. They are being allocated money from somewhere, that they choose to spend on free prescriptions. But where is that equivalent pot of money for England, and who has control of it. Surely Central Government shouldn't have control over that and England should have it's own regional assembly, to keep things even.

Or maybe its the case that the sick of England are expected to subsidise the sick of Scotland and Wales?

Russ 04-03-2011 12:42

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 35186670)
Or maybe its the case that the sick of England are expected to subsidise the sick of Scotland and Wales?

Trust me, since I moved to England I see the pitfalls of free prescriptions in Wales. Yes it was great to not have to pay for my repeat painkillers each month but since I've been up here I can see how awful the Welsh NHS has become in terms of service and personalised care.

It may not be as simple as this but it would seem that we were paying for free prescriptions with sub-standard service. I am now happy to pay for my prescriptions where necessary.

Osem 04-03-2011 13:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35186653)
I think the major issue here is why are the rest of the UK getting free prescriptions while the English are having to pay more?

Yet another fail for the "CON-DEMs"

Presumably because the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly have decided to spend bigger proportionately larger portions of their overall budgets on those things. The money they spend on free prescriptions will not be available for other things and if England were to emulate them the cost for so doing would have to be clawed back from something else.

Russ 04-03-2011 13:12

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And to be fair to the current government, it was Labour back in 1997 giving us devolution that allowed this to happen.

Ignitionnet 04-03-2011 13:16

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This is quite bizarre.

This is the NHS. We will pay for those prescriptions either on collection or via taxation, one way or the other they have to be paid for. Personally I think it entirely appropriate that those who are in a position to pay are charged.

Gary L 04-03-2011 13:28

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35186697)
This is quite bizarre.

This is the NHS. We will pay for those prescriptions either on collection or via taxation, one way or the other they have to be paid for. Personally I think it entirely appropriate that those who are in a position to pay are charged.

But it gets to the stage where those who are in a position to pay, are no better off than those who can't.
after paying for everything.

it's like say rent. people who are working pay full rent because they work. by the time that's been spent they can and could have the same amount of money left that someone who gets the rent free has.

Ignitionnet 04-03-2011 13:43

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Given that that money has to either come from users of services or from taxation you just made a case for cutting the state there Gary :)

Gary L 04-03-2011 13:45

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I know. that's why I'd make a good PM :)

alferret 04-03-2011 20:58

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Well here we go again, the bloody Scots get it Scot free while those of us south of the border get a rise in the cost. Once again if the Scotish want devolution put up a brick bloody wall and find your own income rather than sponging off of your brothers south of the border.

Peter_ 04-03-2011 21:34

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I am one of the people who get them for free because of my medical exemption due to a chronic illness, but I am still annoyed that our parliament lets us pay when it allows the likes of Scotland to give them for free as my taxes go towards that as does every other UK tax payer.:mad:

jb66 04-03-2011 21:43

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But us scots have it better than devolution, our own decisions our own heritage, our own flag and a nice chunk of money from the English :d

Also don't forget about our free education :)

Peter_ 04-03-2011 21:50

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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35187107)
But us scots have it better than devolution, our own decisions our own heritage, our own flag and a nice chunk of money from the English :d

Also don't forget about our free education :)

Exactly we are in reality one country as we have no borders and the majority of funding is from English taxes.

Osem 04-03-2011 22:03

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35187094)
I am one of the people who get them for free because of my medical exemption due to a chronic illness, but I am still annoyed that our parliament lets us pay when it allows the likes of Scotland to give them for free as my taxes go towards that as does every other UK tax payer.:mad:

IIRC, due to all the various exemptions, the vast majority of prescriptions in England are issued free of charge.

Peter_ 04-03-2011 23:32

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35187127)
IIRC, due to all the various exemptions, the vast majority of prescriptions in England are issued free of charge.

The are still many like my wife who has high blood pressure who has to pay for a yearly card because she is on 3 tablets a day which would cost around £24 a month.

She will be on them for life but it is not classed as chronic so she has to pay which is a ridiculous state of affairs.

jb66 04-03-2011 23:33

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Maybe if your passing Gretna you could stock up :)

Peter_ 04-03-2011 23:35

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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35187176)
Maybe if your passing Gretna you could stock up :)

We get charged even in Scotland as we are not residents.:erm:

I was married there.;)

danielf 04-03-2011 23:48

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35187094)
I am one of the people who get them for free because of my medical exemption due to a chronic illness, but I am still annoyed that our parliament lets us pay when it allows the likes of Scotland to give them for free as my taxes go towards that as does every other UK tax payer.:mad:

As said: The Scots decided to have free subscriptions. That's money spent and out of their budget meaning it can't be spent elsewhere. It's not as if they get additional funds for free subscriptions. It's how they choose to allocate the money they've been given to spend.

As Russ suggested, you may well find that a poorer general standard of service as a result of it.

Russ 05-03-2011 06:43

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Unfortunately we have no say over where our taxes get allocated and to do so would be impractical anyway. But you'd think people were used to this anyway - I think the idea of car tax going on the maintenance of roads is pretty much a fallacy to most these days.

Like it or not the Welsh and Scots are able to have funding in departments that aren't applicable to the English. Don't like it? Fine, let's swap. You get to have free prescriptions, we get a government that has the power to make decisions that affect and change the whole of the UK.

In any case, blame Labour for granting the right to devolve.

TheDaddy 05-03-2011 08:09

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35187257)
Unfortunately we have no say over where our taxes get allocated and to do so would be impractical anyway. But you'd think people were used to this anyway - I think the idea of car tax going on the maintenance of roads is pretty much a fallacy to most these days.

Like it or not the Welsh and Scots are able to have funding in departments that aren't applicable to the English. Don't like it? Fine, let's swap. You get to have free prescriptions, we get a government that has the power to make decisions that affect and change the whole of the UK.

In any case, blame Labour for granting the right to devolve.

Err how about we just all go it alone instead, Wales either wants to be a proper country and make decisions for itself or it doesn't

Ignitionnet 05-03-2011 09:14

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35187257)
Unfortunately we have no say over where our taxes get allocated and to do so would be impractical anyway. But you'd think people were used to this anyway - I think the idea of car tax going on the maintenance of roads is pretty much a fallacy to most these days.

Like it or not the Welsh and Scots are able to have funding in departments that aren't applicable to the English. Don't like it? Fine, let's swap. You get to have free prescriptions, we get a government that has the power to make decisions that affect and change the whole of the UK.

In any case, blame Labour for granting the right to devolve.

Last time I looked Welsh and Scottish MPs sit in the House of Commons alongside English MPs, just they get less votes as the English are about 84% of the population of the UK, Wales 5% and Scotland 8.5%.

Russ 05-03-2011 09:14

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You think all Welsh people want the same thing? That's what the referendum was for.

Ignitionnet 05-03-2011 10:26

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It would actually be quite good to offer all 4 home nations in-out referendums, referendums are always a good thing.

Sadly most politicians only like referendums when they think they'll give them the answer they want.

Osem 05-03-2011 11:02

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35187174)
The are still many like my wife who has high blood pressure who has to pay for a yearly card because she is on 3 tablets a day which would cost around £24 a month.

She will be on them for life but it is not classed as chronic so she has to pay which is a ridiculous state of affairs.

My wife also has a chronic condition which isn't covered - and I'm not talking about me either... :D

Peter_ 05-03-2011 11:04

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35187308)
My wife also has a chronic condition which isn't covered - and I'm not talking about me either... :D

Does she have the yearly payment card as it will save you a fortune in most cases.

Osem 05-03-2011 11:17

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35187309)
Does she have the yearly payment card as it will save you a fortune in most cases.

No - it's only one item a month and she's pretty damned fit otherwise. If she needed more items we'd definitely go for one.


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