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Russ 04-03-2011 05:39

Moving the May Bank Holiday
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-12640636

So plans are being suggested to make St George's Day a bank holiday to create a 'National Day'. Great idea! As long as they do the same for the dates of St David, Andrew and Patrick then?

What an awesome way to create anti-English feeling :dozey:

papa smurf 04-03-2011 07:58

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and lets not forget st skywalkers day for the jedi .

TheDaddy 04-03-2011 08:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35186511)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-12640636

So plans are being suggested to make St George's Day a bank holiday to create a 'National Day'. Great idea! As long as they do the same for the dates of St David, Andrew and Patrick then?

What an awesome way to create anti-English feeling :dozey:

St Andrew's day and St Patrick's day are bank holidays IIRC.

What an awsome post Russ...

Paul K 04-03-2011 08:06

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Did you have to link to the mobile site report?? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12640636
Nice of you to miss out the bit where they may use a date in October instead of St G's day ;)
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Plans to scrap the May Day bank holiday in favour of either a St George's Day in April or Trafalgar Day in October have been outlined by the government.

Russ 04-03-2011 08:09

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35186528)
St Andrew's day and St Patrick's day are bank holidays IIRC.

They're not national bank holidays, as is being proposed.


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Originally Posted by Paul
Did you have to link to the mobile site report?? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12640636
Nice of you to miss out the bit where they may use a date in October instead of St G's day

No I didn't miss that part - why mention St George's day at all? If that's going to be a bank holiday then good, I support it just as long as the other home nations get our patron saints' days off too.

TheDaddy 04-03-2011 08:14

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35186530)
They're not national bank holidays, as is being proposed.




No I didn't miss that part - why mention St George's day at all? If that's going to be a bank holiday then good, I support it just as long as the other home nations get our patron saints' days off too.

They do get days of for them, we don't, which in the case of St Paddy is a pity, in case of the other two, meh.

Russ 04-03-2011 08:17

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You're missing the point - if this proposal was for an England-only bank holiday for St George's Day then that would be one thing, and I'd support it.

papa smurf 04-03-2011 08:22

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“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.

Chris 04-03-2011 09:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35186511)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-12640636

So plans are being suggested to make St George's Day a bank holiday to create a 'National Day'. Great idea! As long as they do the same for the dates of St David, Andrew and Patrick then?

What an awesome way to create anti-English feeling :dozey:

Seriously Russ - you have to read past the first paragraph. ;)

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The government's policy paper includes proposals to move the May Day holiday to St George's Day on 23 April in England and St David's Day on 1 March in Wales - to create a "national day".
The English bias here is with the BBC hack that wrote the article, not the guvmint.

Incidentally, the SNP has been trying to get St Andrew's Day instituted as a bank holiday in Scotland, but without much success.

Zing 04-03-2011 09:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35186511)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-12640636

So plans are being suggested to make St George's Day a bank holiday to create a 'National Day'. Great idea! As long as they do the same for the dates of St David, Andrew and Patrick then?

What an awesome way to create anti-English feeling :dozey:

Anyone with anti english feeling over this will have anti english feeling anyway and of course it will be racism when they do

Chris 04-03-2011 09:56

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Personally I think the more significant development here is the fact that they have dropped the 'double summer time' proposals from the policy paper.

I really didn't fancy the thought of it not being full daylight until almost 10am here in midwinter.

Zing 04-03-2011 10:00

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35186563)
Personally I think the more significant development here is the fact that they have dropped the 'double summer time' proposals from the policy paper.

I really didn't fancy the thought of it not being full daylight until almost 10am here in midwinter.

Yeah that was silly

chris9991 04-03-2011 10:04

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Is it not better for business to have the May Day holiday left as it is. I think most of Europe have the day off so if we want to contact our trading partners there, they won't be there.

I wouldn't like to move it to St. Georges Day as it will be even closer to Easter.

Surely, what we need is a Britain Day rather than a day each for the components of this nation and not in October at the height of Autumn when it will be too cold/dark to want to travel far.

Chris 04-03-2011 10:15

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Yes, the St Andrew's Day proposals foundered for a similar reason (it's in November, and nobody wants a bank holiday then).

A British holiday would be a good idea but with nationalists in power in Scotland it's not going to happen across the whole of Britain, sadly.

Russ 04-03-2011 10:35

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Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35186561)
Anyone with anti english feeling over this will have anti english feeling anyway and of course it will be racism when they do

I have no anti-English feeling but yes this increase it in those who do. I don't equate patriotic English attitudes to being racist but elitist-English attitudes can be and regarding St George's Day as being a 'National Holiday' certainly stinks of that. By all means be proud of and celebrate your nation's patron saint but be aware of the other UK nations who do not celebrate the day.

Maggy 04-03-2011 10:39

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I'd rather it was moved to October.We have too many bank holidays around Easter through to May and not enough between August and Christmas.What's wrong with Trafalgar day?

I also see Russ's point and am wondering why we can't make it Shakespeare's day as it 'twas the day of his death.;)

Chris 04-03-2011 10:44

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35186582)
I have no anti-English feeling but yes this increase it in those who do. I don't equate patriotic English attitudes to being racist but elitist-English attitudes can be and regarding St George's Day as being a 'National Holiday' certainly stinks of that. By all means be proud of and celebrate your nation's patron saint but be aware of the other UK nations who do not celebrate the day.

Ahem ... post 9. ;)

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35186589)
What's wrong with Trafalgar day?

1. It's a proposal for the whole of the UK but would require separate support in Scotland, where the Scottish Nationalists are running the Government. So it won't happen.

2. It's a proposal to celebrate a 19th century military victory over two European countries that are now our allies. Trafalgar was not a fight for freedom over tyrrany in anything like the way WW2 was (and even VE day doesn't get a bank holiday). There is no way it justifies a holiday to celebrate it, more than 200 years after the fact.

Russ 04-03-2011 10:48

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35186590)
Ahem ... post 9. ;)[COLOR=Silver]

Think you may be mistaken - while I appreciate the inefficiency of BBC hacks, some minister was internviewed on Capital this morning saying "we believe England needs this".

Chris 04-03-2011 10:51

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That's because everyone in London still thinks Capital is a local radio station for London - which, to be fair, it was until very recently. I'm quite sure the minister in question thought he was addressing an English audience.

Notwithstanding anything the minister may have said on the radio, the policy consultation does make clear that legislation for a St George's Day in England would be accompanied by legislation for St David's Day in Wales.

Hom3r 04-03-2011 11:32

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35186526)
and lets not forget st skywalkers day for the jedi .

Yeah on "May the 4th" (say that out load:D)

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35186563)
Personally I think the more significant development here is the fact that they have dropped the 'double summer time' proposals from the policy paper.

I really didn't fancy the thought of it not being full daylight until almost 10am here in midwinter.

There are people in the north pole area that have no sun for around 4 months at a time (OK they don't have the traffic we do.)

People will adjust.

Gary L 04-03-2011 11:41

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It is hoped an extra four million people will visit Britain over the next four years, spending an additional £2bn and creating 50,000 jobs.
It's alright them coming over for a visit. it's just hoping they go back afterwards.

Hugh 04-03-2011 11:50

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Calm down, dear - they are talking about tourists, not your bêtes noires......:D

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chris9991 04-03-2011 12:00

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I think if the Bank Holiday is moved to October then it should fall in the half term week so that children don't miss out on vital teaching time

but in reality I'd rather have an extra day statutory leave, so that I could pick the day off I wanted

Russ 04-03-2011 12:04

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Originally Posted by chris9991 (Post 35186651)
I think if the Bank Holiday is moved to October then it should fall in the half term week so that children don't miss out on vital teaching time

Agreed but that'll only mean the teachers will moan about missing out on a bank holiday.

MovedGoalPosts 04-03-2011 12:41

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I suspect that May Day is seen by many in the tourism industries as the real start of the season. Easter is just too early for temperatures to be reliable to get people thinking of outdoors. So removing that holiday, and making it later in the year is just shifting the season back and forth a bit. No real gain.

But from a bank holiday perspective why have Easter, may Day and the end of May holidays in such short succession. A date later in the year would spread things out.

Oh and to the unions, business leaders and such like who all say moving the holiday would be disruptive, I doubt it would be a sudden occurence and there would be a couple of years notice, whcih would give far more planning time than the holiday suddenly announced for the Royal Wedding, that is undoubtedly distruptive when so many will now be trying to skive that whole week.

Hugh 04-03-2011 14:02

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"skive" - such an emotive term....:D

Some of us have booked the three days between the two long weekends off as annual leave, so are off work for eleven days.;)

Zing 04-03-2011 14:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35186582)
I have no anti-English feeling but yes this increase it in those who do. I don't equate patriotic English attitudes to being racist but elitist-English attitudes can be and regarding St George's Day as being a 'National Holiday' certainly stinks of that. By all means be proud of and celebrate your nation's patron saint but be aware of the other UK nations who do not celebrate the day.

I am English but George is not a saint of mine. 1 I am not Catholic and 2 I do not believe in Dragons ;)

soup dragon 04-03-2011 14:27

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:shocked:what!!!!

Hugh 04-03-2011 14:45

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Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35186730)
I am English but George is not a saint of mine. 1 I am not Catholic and 2 I do not believe in Dragons ;)

1) Strange - there are lots of CofE schools called "St George"
2) Of course you do - you've been married, and had a mother-in-law...:D

papa smurf 04-03-2011 19:44

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35186725)
"skive" - such an emotive term....:D

Some of us have booked the three days between the two long weekends off as annual leave, so are off work for eleven days.;)

yes and one of us was called a conniving old git when he booked it but what can i say the leave rota was empty some one had to do it :)

martyh 04-03-2011 19:58

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 35186677)
I suspect that May Day is seen by many in the tourism industries as the real start of the season. Easter is just too early for temperatures to be reliable to get people thinking of outdoors. So removing that holiday, and making it later in the year is just shifting the season back and forth a bit. No real gain.

But from a bank holiday perspective why have Easter, may Day and the end of May holidays in such short succession. A date later in the year would spread things out.

Oh and to the unions, business leaders and such like who all say moving the holiday would be disruptive, I doubt it would be a sudden occurence and there would be a couple of years notice, whcih would give far more planning time than the holiday suddenly announced for the Royal Wedding, that is undoubtedly distruptive when so many will now be trying to skive that whole week.

I agree ,far too many 4 day weeks comming up in a short period ,losing too much money in a already bad year

techguyone 04-03-2011 20:03

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I think its just peachy how they want to 'move' an existing one, rather than give us 'another' one, it's not like we have a lot compared to the rest of Europe.

Taf 04-03-2011 20:04

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Politicians must have an inbuilt "need" to fiddle about with things.

Peter_ 04-03-2011 20:06

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We should have a new Bank Holiday on Trafalgar Day which is the 21st of October, which would be much better all round as it would be rather pointless moving the Bank Holiday to St George's Day as that would make no real difference, especially with the way Easter moves around each year.

Tezcatlipoca 06-03-2011 01:33

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"Holiday to celebrate dragon-slaying or death of 2,000 Frenchmen"

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Originally Posted by The Daily Mash
ENGLAND faces the tantalising choice of a national holiday that celebrates either the slaying of a fictional animal by a made-up saint or the violent deaths of a great many French people.

Ministers believe the May Day bank holiday has become bloated and inefficient while also failing to give people 24 hours off work in a sufficiently English manner.

They now want a national debate on whether England should have a holiday on April 23, in commemoration of a legendary Syrian for whom there is not a shred of historical evidence, or October 21, marking the day when undereducated men from across Europe died to satisfy the armchair whims of a handful of egomaniacal sociopaths.

The government said Trafalgar Day could also be a 'British celebration' based on the assumption that Scottish, Northern Irish and Welsh people enjoy the death of a Frenchman as much as anyone.

(snip)


Paul 06-03-2011 01:46

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One in October would be better. We have enough around April already.

I dont really care what they call it, although celebrating the defeat of France could be seen as a bonus. ;)

Sirius 06-03-2011 09:00

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35186725)
"skive" - such an emotive term....:D

Some of us have booked the three days between the two long weekends off as annual leave, so are off work for eleven days.;)

Same here :)

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35186951)
yes and one of us was called a conniving old git when he booked it but what can i say the leave rota was empty some one had to do it :)

There was some sour grapes in our office but that was because they had not seen it and booked it themselves :LOL:

tweetiepooh 08-03-2011 16:07

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I always find it interesting that those opposed to bank holidays in general not just extra ones are the bosses of companies whose employees work the day and they don't. i.e. I don't want to pay extra to my staff I make work that day while I'm off playing golf with other bosses who feel the same.

And having different holidays for different parts of the UK is also difficult, especially if you live near the border.

And I did get to book the 3 day week off. Wonder if I'm on-call for any of it?

handyman 08-03-2011 17:13

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35187860)

There was some sour grapes in our office but that was because they had not seen it and booked it themselves :LOL:

Not having a calender to hand what are those dates? I could use some time off and don't have much holiday entitlement left :-)

Peter_ 08-03-2011 17:42

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Originally Posted by handyman (Post 35189491)
Not having a calender to hand what are those dates? I could use some time off and don't have much holiday entitlement left :-)

26/27/28 April.:D

Chris 08-03-2011 17:43

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Good Friday 22 April, Easter Monday 25 April, Royal wedding 29 April plus May Bank Holiday Monday 2 May gives you a clear 11 days out of the office at the cost of 3 days' leave (Tues-Thurs, 26-28 April).

Peter_ 08-03-2011 17:45

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35189508)
Good Friday 22 April, Easter Monday 25 April, Royal wedding 29 April plus May Bank Holiday Monday 2 May gives you a clear 11 days out of the office at the cost of 3 days' leave (Tues-Thurs, 26-28 April).

If your company does not have people working on Bank Holidays.

I will not mind working on the Royal Wedding Day as I have Zero intention of watching any of it.;)

Chris 08-03-2011 17:47

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We will be watching it here, not least because we have two daughters who are into Disney princesses in a big, big way, and this is a rare chance to see a girl becoming a princess in real life. :D It also happens to be our youngest's birthday, so a great excuse for an extra-big party.

Peter_ 08-03-2011 17:49

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35189514)
We will be watching it here, not least because we have two daughters who are into Disney princesses in a big, big way, and this is a rare chance to see a girl becoming a princess in real life. :D It also happens to be our youngest's birthday, so a great excuse for an extra-big party.

Nice to see that it all gels together in that way for you all, I hope she has a day never to forget.:)


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