UK's Muslim soldiers ‘fighting extremists not Muslims'
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12504162

So some British Muslims ARE doing something about the Taliban and Muslim extremists..

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Give them a medal.

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:rolleyes:

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Seriously. give him a medal. it's the last thing we expect of him as a serving soldier to fight his own men. we can at least show our appreciation as well as shock for him doing it.

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WWII was mostly Christians killing Christians.

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Yep those Christian Japanese killed tens of millions Christian Chinese and the Soviets killed plenty more without the need for being Christian...

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Trying to work out the relevancy in the last two posts..:confused:

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Muslims are very good at killing other muslims, just as christians are very good at killing christians.

Or anybody else for that matter.

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His "own men" are British soldiers - your comment is like expecting British Catholic soldiers in WW2 not to fight Italian soldiers, or British Protestant soldiers not to fight German soldiers.

Why "shock"? The main areas of combat today are Iraq and Afghanistan, which I am sure he knew - that would like stating it's a shock that Catholic or Protestant soldiers would serve in Northern Ireland, as they would be fighting their "own men".

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I think that's why there's a story. he's a Muslim and he's fighting other Muslims. we are probably shocked and surprised enough for it to be a story.

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Is that a royal 'we', Gary? :dozey:

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I think that's why there's a story. he's a Muslim and he's fighting other Muslims. some of us are probably shocked and surprised enough for it to be a story.

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It isn't a story, it's just Muslims are the current minority of the day getting attention so people on one side feel the need to point out anything positive and on the other to point out anything negative.

Different group, usual poop.

Re: UK's Muslim soldiers ‘fighting extremists not Muslims'
 

I know.
UK's Muslim soldiers ‘fighting extremists not Muslims'

Hello.. isn't that what the non Muslim British army have been doing too?! :erm:

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I think there's a little more to it than that. One of the "reasons" given for the 7/7 attacks was our conduct in Iraq and Afghanistan, stories like this can be used against those that try and influence others, trouble is on it's own it is unlikely to achieve much other than have those soldiers branded as "bad Muslims".

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The religion of the soldiers is (largely) irrelevant. Which is, I think, the point made in the OP link.

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It shouldn't be a problem for him,and i'm pleased he has the sense to realise that ,and disapointed that the BBC see it as a possible issue ,he is there to do what he is told when he is told nothing more nothing less. The British or for that matter any other force out there are not fighting a religious war regardless of what the media would have us believe

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Issues seem to be so clear in your mind Gary, there doesn't appear to be any shades of grey just black or white.
Rather like George Bush with his "your either with us or against us" philosophy, I suppose this is why you are comfortable stating what the rest of humanity thinks.:)

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They are getting paid well for it. They signed up to do a job and to serve Queen and Country no matter what religion they were.

This woman who owns a pub down the road from me epitomises the word brave.

http://www.chad.co.uk/news/local/mum...umph_1_3092037

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And brown. lots of brown.

The rest of society probably thinks they should shake his hand for doing what he's doing. even I think his hand needs shaking for telling me that he's doing the job he's paid to do and not going AWOL :)

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That a little dismissive of our troops.And then you pick out someone whom would probably tear a strip of you for that dismissive attitude towards those troops one of whom was her son..
Because I can state that they are NOT getting well paid for it..

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I don't think the lower ranks get paid well at all.

What rank were you when you were in?

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And that sums you up, Gary.



Why would he go AWOL?

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No it doesn't. you're just finding a reason to bring the good old 'Muslims and us' into it. just because I added a colour to a list that was already mentioned.
just because a muslim is brown.

Why would the BBC think it worthy of a story just because he's a Muslim?
he said himself people shake his hand because he's a Muslim.
one big drama because he's a Muslim in the British army. and today his assignment is to fight Muslim extremists.

are we surprised he's doing it? are we surprised he didn't refuse and his options are to go AWOL because he didn't want to do it?
no. but the BBC think it's great.
the OP thinks it's great.
I think it's great.

it's an issue worthy of a story.
now if you were to have a few non muslim soldiers stating that they were a bit uneasy with him being a muslim, and they don't know whether they could trust him.
that's another story.

there.

Re: UK's Muslim soldiers ‘fighting extremists not Muslims'
 

Gary, I didn't mention Muslims.

Methinks you do protesteth too much......;)

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Not all of them..

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You just summed me up because I like the colour brown, then ;)

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That's your own tunnelled vision of things once again.

Pay for HM forces starts at a handsome £13-15K on entry, this can rise to £20,000 on completion of training. It's not bad considering they have nothing to pay out.

Many new recruits leave after the first year because they can't hack it, some see out their time and sign up for more.

Please stop spouting your bottom gravy to me, you obviously know nothing about the workings and pay structure of HM Forces.

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It would appear you also have gaps in your knowledge, as trainees pay approx 14% of their gross salary for food and accommodation - one appears to be also issuing, as you say, "bottom gravy"...

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I was Corporal with 42 Cdo.

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And you call that paying out?? Jesus you need to get out more and stop playing with Google. I was paying more than that in 1984.

Take into account they have the best medical care in the world when in a theatre of war and when back in barracks they get paid handsomely.

I'd like to take you through the sheep dip then onto the 30 mile march.


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Re: UK's Muslim soldiers ‘fighting extremists not Muslims'
 

You are the one that has issues with facts - you stated "they have nothing to pay out", when in fact it is approx 14%.

I checked the facts just in case they had changed from when I served - they hadn't.

Deal with it....

btw, they have the "best medical care in the world" mainly because they need it, due to the splodey things going off around them - if they weren't, they wouldn't need it, would they? (sort of adding body armour as a benefit, when in fact it's only required because of the job....).

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Dazzer, just to be perfectly clear about this: you do know that Hugh was in the army, don't you?

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Oh dear arguing with someone that has actually been in the forces, we do have a large chip on our shoulder.

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Ahem.........

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/02/14.gif

dontcha know, toodle-pip, Ginger, and all that.....:D

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Pity you don't follow your own advice, isn't it, then you wouldn't make dumb mistakes like stating squaddies don't pay anything out....;)

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Land based were you??

Squaddies don't don't pay anything out IMO they are getting fed and watered for free.

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And who are you to judge?? What's your line of work, in charge of paper clips??

Like many serving in HM forces they havent seen action and never will.

Oh by the way I think I've earned that chip on my shoulder don't you??

Anyway must dash old sport I've got a job to go to.

Re: UK's Muslim soldiers ‘fighting extremists not Muslims'
 

Erm, even trainees pay out £140 per month, established soldiers more - how is that being "fed and watered for free".

Even the Marines state So are they deducting zero from the Marines salary, and the PAYD is also free?

Yes, I was land-based - amongst the lands I was based in were Berlin, Norn Iron, West Germany, Gibraltar, Cyprus, Hong Kong, and a couple of other places; I saw action, and have been fired upon; once again, your statements are not informed by knowledge or facts.

Have a nice drive.

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Jesus £140 a month??? You call that paying out?

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Respect to you on the above.

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Yes, I call it paying out - I also don't call it "fed and watered for free".

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let me comment, i was discharged in december(after 4 or 5 weeks into training) for both health and personal issues, squaddies pay more than you think, you pay council tax (granted it is not a lot) you pay for washing (£90 per 6 month at catterick), food (£2 or so per day), accomodation (depends on the quality of your block, at catterick you pay full wack round about £3 a day) and you got insurance (wich they push upon you, believe me)

when you pass out you pay a lot more for your accomodation (not sure how much) but i do know food on base is £3.50 per day (at catterick)

and on top for the squaddies a lot of the equipment is BOUGHT not given for free (disgraceful) and you of course then get the idiots damageing property stealing etc (in wich the entire section / platoon must pay for) for your first 3 months you are lucky to clear £600 per month...

not much has changed, hugh you are correct, dazzer please get your facts right before hand

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My father was in the Army and my husband is an ex Naval Charge Chief..I know how little value is placed on our servicemen's lives.:bsmack:

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Grovel ... :tiptoe:

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No worries - we let the Army do the real fighting, while we "protected" the bars and the women.....:D