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Gary L 19-02-2011 08:58

British Gas profits. a record £720m.
 
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British Gas is to announce record annual profits of more than £720million on the back of punishing price increases and the coldest winter in 120 years.
And I've noticed how much more I'm having to pay to meet that figure.

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The major gas and electricity suppliers are being investigated by industry regulator, Ofgem, over allegations of profiteering. Ofgem is under pressure to order a full Competition Commission inquiry to establish whether millions of British families are being overcharged for heat and light.
Whatever..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1EOg8UYlh

DocDutch 19-02-2011 09:02

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old news Gary......but yeah I feel abused by BG for my gas bill of £100 p/m at least my leccy is only 37 p/m

martyh 19-02-2011 09:09

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Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 35177753)
old news Gary......but yeah I feel abused by BG for my gas bill of £100 p/m at least my leccy is only 37 p/m

Yep i feel your pain ,gas is hideously over priced .I am on payg meters for both gas and electric through choice in an effort to control the cost as paying quarterly was fast becomming impossible and i have noticed that the difference between gas and electric is quite substantial ,easily £150pm for gas and and half that for the electric

Taf 19-02-2011 10:11

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SWALEC increased my gas Direct Debit from £30 to £60 (without informing me) despite me presently being £20 in credit!

I guess that means they are planning big price hikes in the next few weeks or so.

Chrysalis 20-02-2011 22:15

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both are overpriced. officially we have had circa 2% inflation a year or there abouts.

now compare cost of electric to 10 years ago and its far far away from 2% annual inflation.

STONEISLAND 21-02-2011 07:57

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Not sure what all the fuss is. There a British Company who has also made paid huge taxs which is great for our economy.

If you don’t like them leave them simples. IMO banks and petrol that makes more profits is far more unjust.

Gary L 21-02-2011 08:03

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Petrol costing you too much?

Maggy 21-02-2011 08:06

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 35178998)
Not sure what all the fuss is. There a British Company who has also made paid huge taxs which is great for our economy.

If you don’t like them leave them simples. IMO banks and petrol that makes more profits is far more unjust.

They also hike the price of gas saying it's costing more to buy as prices have gone up.Then when the gas prices reduce and they are buying at the lower prices, the price of gas DOES NOT REDUCE to the customer.

That's the bit that really upsets everyone..and all the suppliers seem to do this.

Gary L 21-02-2011 08:13

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and anyway. all this thing about companies paying huge taxs which is great for our economy. we could have billions more coming in every year. but does it bring prices down all across the board? does the public have more money in their pocket because the government says we don't need your money because we have billions?

no. they'll probably spend it on something silly and give a lot of it away. so back on the hamster wheel we go.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35179002)
They also hike the price of gas saying it's costing more to buy as prices have gone up.Then when the gas prices reduce and they are buying at the lower prices, the price of gas DOES NOT REDUCE to the customer.

I can't think of anything where the price goes down. they never do and never will.
was watching the news about decimilisation.

with decimals you gan go up in increments of a penny.

penny today, and a tuppeny next week.

I'm still debating whether to knock Mr Singh out for putting 5 pennies on a pkt of Rizlas in one day.

Maggy 21-02-2011 08:26

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It's a sharp practice in anyone's opinion and whomever is doing it it's annoying.

chris9991 21-02-2011 08:38

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Just imagine, once upon a time we owned it

Peter_ 21-02-2011 08:39

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Originally Posted by chris9991 (Post 35179011)
Just imagine, once upon a time we owned it

Tell Sid! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nedVpG-GjkE

Gary L 21-02-2011 08:42

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35179012)
Tell Sid! :D

Do you get any work done, or you on tea break again? :D

dazzer89 22-02-2011 06:37

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35177752)
And I've noticed how much more I'm having to pay to meet that figure.



Whatever..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1EOg8UYlh

BG made heir profits from imported gas from Russia and Norway because there isn't enough gas left around the shores of the UK due to the gas fired power stations using it on a grand scale.

My neighbour is on coal for his heating, a tonne of coal costs him £140 and lasts him 3-4 months if used correctly. My bill for the last quarter with BG was over £320. That means he's saved £160 over me.

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Originally Posted by chris9991 (Post 35179011)
Just imagine, once upon a time we owned it

Until the Tories got their hands on it.:rolleyes:

Gary L 22-02-2011 08:36

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35179624)
Anyway think yourselves lucky: My mother lives in an area with no mains gas, she's just had a delivery of 1000L of oil (kerosine) that powers her Rayburn/Aga cost over £500 and will only last 3-4 months! And she still has to pay for lecky as well.

My brother uses that stuff because of no gas. but then he chose to buy and live in the house where there's no gas :)

chris9991 22-02-2011 09:22

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35179624)
If BG was still state owned you'd be paying twice as much, it would make collossal losses and constantly be on strike. Just like all the old state owned utilities and industries in the seventies.

I wonder how it compares with utilities in the rest of Europe. Are they state owned and inefficient?

I guess they have better gas storage


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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35179624)
Anyway think yourselves lucky: My mother lives in an area with no mains gas, she's just had a delivery of 1000L of oil (kerosine) that powers her Rayburn/Aga cost over £500 and will only last 3-4 months! And she still has to pay for lecky as well.

Is it true that an Aga has to always be on?

Hugh 22-02-2011 11:04

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Originally Posted by chris9991 (Post 35179667)
I wonder how it compares with utilities in the rest of Europe. Are they state owned and inefficient?

I guess they have better gas storage




Is it true that an Aga has to always be on?

Germany is deregulated, don't know about the rest..

chris9991 22-02-2011 11:31

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35179755)
Germany is deregulated, don't know about the rest..

Here is a hisotry of the German market

http://www.verivox.net/German_Market_History.pdf

I think it is a few years old but I quite like the chart on page 4 which compares the whole of Europe in 2007. Would be great to see the situation today, which I think could be got from www.energy.eu but I'm not paying their prices to find out

STONEISLAND 24-02-2011 08:40

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Why put down a successful British Company? Better British Gas made the profit then a German or French supplier. ;)
In difficult economic times, Britain needs successful companies like British Gas. They are using profits tokeep the nation’s lights on in the future with clean power stations and wind farms. Continue providing secure jobs, British Gas has over 30,000 UK employees and growing. They help reduce the national deficit with the £400 million (how many nurses’ doctors and schools etc) they will contribute in tax in Britain this year alone.

Give back to there customers with free insulation, energy efficiency advice and for there essentials customers they have frozen prices over winter and given £50 cashback and now they do Nectar.

It’s important for us all to understand that only a third of there earnings come from energy sales to households – around £4 per household per month. There profits are much lower than in businesses such as BT, Vodafone or the water companies and for the second half of 2010 were the lowest they have been for a number of years.
You tell me what company makes that much per customer per month?

Maggy 24-02-2011 09:10

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 35181140)
Why put down a successful British Company? Better British Gas made the profit then a German or French supplier. ;)
In difficult economic times, Britain needs successful companies like British Gas. They are using profits tokeep the nation’s lights on in the future with clean power stations and wind farms. Continue providing secure jobs, British Gas has over 30,000 UK employees and growing. They help reduce the national deficit with the £400 million (how many nurses’ doctors and schools etc) they will contribute in tax in Britain this year alone.

Give back to there customers with free insulation, energy efficiency advice and for there essentials customers they have frozen prices over winter and given £50 cashback and now they do Nectar.

It’s important for us all to understand that only a third of there earnings come from energy sales to households – around £4 per household per month. There profits are much lower than in businesses such as BT, Vodafone or the water companies and for the second half of 2010 were the lowest they have been for a number of years.
You tell me what company makes that much per customer per month?

Actually I'm ticked off with all fuel providers because they always put their prices up when oil or gas are at a higher rate at source but when prices reduce at source, somehow that NEVER gets passed back down the pipeline to customers.

I'm not interested in nectar points,energy efficiency advice and free insulation is probably offered to OAPs..What I want is FAIR treatment.

Do you work for BG by any chance?

STONEISLAND 24-02-2011 09:15

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35181152)
Actually I'm ticked off with all fuel providers because they always put their prices up when oil or gas are at a higher rate at source but when prices reduce at source, somehow that NEVER gets passed back down the pipeline to customers.

I'm not interested in nectar points,energy efficiency advice and free insulation is probably offered to OAPs..What I want is FAIR treatment.

Do you work for BG by any chance?

No :rolleyes: just like a good British success story.

Do you like good service? British Gas has the highest satisfied customers of all the big 4 this does come at a cost.

Maggy 24-02-2011 09:30

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 35181158)
No :rolleyes: just like a good British success story.

Do you like good service? British Gas has the highest satisfied customers of all the big 4 this does come at a cost.

Just moved from them because of their high prices..

Chrysalis 24-02-2011 09:43

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Bear in mind this is selling an essential to people, you would have to be very poor at your job to not be able to make a profit selling gas/electric.

I hold more respect to companies who make money selling luxury items.

STONEISLAND 24-02-2011 09:59

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35181174)
Bear in mind this is selling an essential to people, you would have to be very poor at your job to not be able to make a profit selling gas/electric.

I hold more respect to companies who make money selling luxury items.

What like Barclays bank? BP?

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35181170)
Just moved from them because of their high prices..

Great move it to EDF the French so if they get the market share the profits will go to France.

Chrysalis 24-02-2011 10:15

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What luxury items do barclays sell?

STONEISLAND 24-02-2011 10:20

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35181192)
What luxury items do barclays sell?

Loans :rolleyes:

Ok so luxury items hmmmmm so your much happier at the profits Austin Martian makes?

Maggy 24-02-2011 10:22

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 35181178)
What like Barclays bank? BP?

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Great move it to EDF the French so if they get the market share the profits will go to France.

Don't worry we went 'British'.

And you never answered my question.Do you work for British Gas?

Chrysalis 24-02-2011 10:35

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Loans are an opinion, I dont think its responsible to get a loan to fund luxury purchases, if I want something I havent got cash for then I save up and go without until then.

Loans for business's, to fund essentials like a new boiler is non luxury uses.

I will expand a bit more.

I have more respect for a business when the following dont apply.

1 - can make money without a monopoly
2 - can make money without direct or indirect state aid.
3 - can make money on non essential goods/services.
4 - doesnt make excessive profits and offshore its workforce.

STONEISLAND 24-02-2011 11:46

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35181197)
Don't worry we went 'British'.

And you never answered my question.Do you work for British Gas?

As I said above no just like a British success story

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Couple of great comments from BBC site

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Personally I think that resuts like this from a company that reinvests a huge amount of profits in renewable and sustainable energy is perfectly acceptable. The profit made from an average household is miniscule and over inflated by the media as news. We do not seem to be anywhere near as dramatic and passionate about mark-up and profiteering with our supermarkets etc. Put things onto perspective.
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This is a private company not a charity. Get over it. Food is even more vital than fuel, yet the big supermarkets don't make headline news for posting a profit. Some people just love to complain- if you can't afford your bills, the solution is up to you. Find a better deal if you can, use less, or change to an alternative fuel (however, most other fuels will cost you even more to heat your home).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12563988

Not just me! :)

Maggy 24-02-2011 14:28

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You think I really care? I'm not a shareholder.Their profits do me no good and at the end of the day BG is owned by an American company.Why should I trumpet their profits around.:rolleyes:

BG customers still have to pay more and more for their energy irrespective of how much profit the company makes.Possibly the only benefit is for BG workers and possibly there will be MORE jobs available for some of those losing their jobs at present..Maybe some of the 18-25 year old group might get a chance of a job at last.

gazzae 24-02-2011 14:48

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35181358)
You think I really care? I'm not a shareholder.Their profits do me no good and at the end of the day BG is owned by an American company.Why should I trumpet their profits around.:rolleyes:

Which Amercian company owns BG?

STONEISLAND 24-02-2011 14:58

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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35181371)
Which Amercian company owns BG?

Very good question. :rolleyes:

British Gas the clue is in the name. ;)

Maggy 24-02-2011 15:15

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Operating profits at British Gas rose 24% in 2010 to £742m, its parent company Centrica has said.
First paragraph of the last BBC link.

My Mistake they aren't American..but they are a multiglobal company..and they will therefore only pay taxes on profit made in this country..

chris9991 24-02-2011 15:16

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Don't the shareholders own British Gas?

And who knows where they might be from

Peter_ 24-02-2011 15:23

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Originally Posted by chris9991 (Post 35181399)
Don't the shareholders own British Gas?

No Centrica.

Maggy 24-02-2011 15:24

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Centrica is the parent company of British Gas.

Sirius 24-02-2011 16:48

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35181170)
Just moved from them because of their high prices..

Moved away from them at the start of the rot they are in. Will never return to them. As far as crap service with high cost goes you cannot beat BG and Npower. Npower are nasty towards anyone who does not pay on time even if its your first time and only by 3 days. I missed 1 payment due to moving banks and they sent a red letter from the inhouse collections agency saying they wanted to put me on a card meter. I phoned up and they took the payment from a debit card and refused to say sorry. I moved my gas and electricity the next day.

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 35181382)
Very good question. :rolleyes:

British Gas the clue is in the name. ;)

So its a british company, It can still be crap ;)

chris9991 24-02-2011 17:57

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So, British Gas is as British as Cadbury?

Peter_ 24-02-2011 18:04

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Originally Posted by chris9991 (Post 35181490)
So, British Gas is as British as Cadbury?

Not really as Cadbury is owned by Kraft foods which is an American company.

chris9991 24-02-2011 18:10

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35181493)
Not really as Cadbury is owned by Kraft foods which is an American company.

Isn't Kraft a listed company so it is owned by its shareholders and hence its nationality dependent on that of its shareholders?

Peter_ 24-02-2011 18:14

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Originally Posted by chris9991 (Post 35181498)
Isn't Kraft a listed company so it is owned by its shareholders and hence its nationality dependent on that of its shareholders?

Its Headquarters are in Northbrook Illinois and it is listed on the New York Stock Exchange but it is still an American company.

chris9991 24-02-2011 19:37

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35181500)
Its Headquarters are in Northbrook Illinois and it is listed on the New York Stock Exchange but it is still an American company.

Ok - I 'm just going to have to disagree with you, we could carry on but there are more important things

devilincarnate 24-02-2011 19:49

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Here read this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Gas_plc

Maggy 24-02-2011 19:50

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A good many companies are multi global particularly oil and fuel companies and pharmaceuticals.They may be owned in one country but have business in other countries.

Jimmy-J 24-02-2011 20:07

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Just had our annual gas statement from British Gas. It estimates a total forecast of £534.53 for the next 12 month. That's lower than the 2009 - 2010 statement. Mind you, we did have a new combi boiler fitted about 9 months ago, so that would've made a difference.

BTW were on the "Essentials" teriff.


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