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Marcus125 14-02-2011 01:24
The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Is because VM need you to subsidies the 1000's of customers they are going to give it for free.

VM...If you read this please let me out my contract lol.I'm not anti VM.

Graham M 14-02-2011 01:25
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Useful thread. Comment.

mersey70 14-02-2011 08:10
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
While I am not currently considering Tivo I would imagine it costs £149 because it's probably more than worth that, it's certainly competitively priced compared to other PVR's of it's type on the market.

Companies are always in danger of alienating some of their customer base when they offer a deal to a certain few but I don't believe for one moment it was random, there will be some science to their decision. And adding 1000 users will help the momentum when the next quarterly figures are announced for sure but I fancy there is something very client specific that helped them choose.

Great if you got one though, well done!

clinteastman 14-02-2011 09:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174004)
Is because VM need you to subsidies the 1000's of customers they are going to give it for free.

VM...If you read this please let me out my contract lol.I'm not anti VM.
Did you not look at VM channel line-up before signing a contract? Seems a bit stupid to do it the other my round.

LexDiamond 14-02-2011 09:12
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VM bashing has hit an all time low :td:

Stuart 14-02-2011 09:18
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174004)
Is because VM need you to subsidies the 1000's of customers they are going to give it for free.
It's 1000 customers, and I suspect the fact that people think they might get a Tivo for free has lead to a lot more than 1,000 applying, so the scheme will probably more than pay for itself.
Quote:
VM...If you read this please let me out my contract lol.I'm not anti VM.
This site is not part of VM. Beyond having contacts with them, and some members who work for them, we have no connection.

As such, even if they do read this, how would you expect them to know who you are?

Big-Ted 14-02-2011 09:20
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174004)
Is because VM need you to subsidies the 1000's of customers they are going to give it for free.

VM...If you read this please let me out my contract lol.I'm not anti VM.

If you feel you were missold VM then complain to them about it. Though I doubt you will get very far.


However all data re channels etc is on their website and someone who uses forums etc is obviously clever enough to look up what they are signing up for.


Sorry but maybe next time you sign an agreement you will check first, if not then you can't really complain if it isn't what you thought it would be.

muppetman11 14-02-2011 09:47
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174004)
Is because VM need you to subsidies the 1000's of customers they are going to give it for free.

VM...If you read this please let me out my contract lol.I'm not anti VM.
Is it not because its a brand new state of the art piece of kit which has cost a lot in development. Sky charge a £100 more for there inferior 1TB box.

Stephen 14-02-2011 09:48
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Sorry but giving it free to 1000 is not the reason it costs what it does for other customers!

Wether they have this special offer or not it would still cost the same to everyone else.

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 09:55
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
The boxes that were given to 1,000 customers with no set-up fees was a reward to some of the top spending customers with VM.

It has nothing to do with the cost of the box to other customers, who by the way are getting it a lot cheaper than new customers will pay.

Marcus125 14-02-2011 09:55
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big-Ted (Post 35174066)
If you feel you were missold VM then complain to them about it. Though I doubt you will get very far.


However all data re channels etc is on their website and someone who uses forums etc is obviously clever enough to look up what they are signing up for.


Sorry but maybe next time you sign an agreement you will check first, if not then you can't really complain if it isn't what you thought it would be.
I have tried to cancel but they want too much money, although they did advise if I wait till I'm 6 months in it will be cheaper to cancel.

I do believe there was a degree of miss-selling by the sales guy. But then thats my fault. I dont hate VM lol...I just want them to take their stuff back.

I guess I've just realised I will watch the tivo epg for maybe 30 mins a day in total. We watched NickHD ITV2HD SkynewsHD etcetc a lot more than I realised.

I guess after getting my boxes for free with sky and never having to pay a call out fee in around 8 yeas but yet getting a new box every 2 years or so from retentions its a bit of a shock to find out VM want £149 for a box thats not mine.

mersey70 14-02-2011 09:55
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Is the free kit being offered to long standing customers which would seem fair to me?

The OP only joined VM in December 2010.

Also a question to the OP, you say in previous posts you only joined VM because of Tivo, surely that was based on the pricing announced in December which was more than the £149 you have already been offered it for as there is no activation fee?

Hugh 14-02-2011 09:57
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
He joined CF in Dec 10 - not sure when he joined VM.....

Marcus125 14-02-2011 09:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35174082)
He joined CF in Dec 10 - not sure when he joined VM.....
I think I got installed Decemer 8th full of eagerness and excitment for Tivo...Well thats took a dive lol.

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 10:01
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174080)
I have tried to cancel but they want too much money, although they did advise if I wait till I'm 6 months in it will be cheaper to cancel.

I do believe there was a degree of miss-selling by the sales guy. But then thats my fault. I dont hate VM lol...I just want them to take their stuff back.

I guess I've just realised I will watch the tivo epg for maybe 30 mins a day in total. We watched NickHD ITV2HD SkynewsHD etcetc a lot more than I realised.

I guess after getting my boxes for free with sky and never having to pay a call out fee in around 8 yeas but yet getting a new box every 2 years or so from retentions its a bit of a shock to find out VM want £149 for a box thats not mine.
you say you joined for TiVo, yet you now want out because of the HD channels you are missing...

sounds like poor research on your behalf as all this information is freely available on VM's website.

Marcus125 14-02-2011 10:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35174081)
Is the free kit being offered to long standing customers which would seem fair to me?

The OP only joined VM in December 2010.

Also a question to the OP, you say in previous posts you only joined VM because of Tivo, surely that was based on the pricing announced in December which was more than the £149 you have already been offered it for as there is no activation fee?
I was told on the phone Tivo would have its own package deal an if I took VIP50 all I would have to do is swap me exsisting box out for Tivo..No mention of £149+£40+£3 a month.

Why dont they scrap tivo and put the extra £3 to getting more hd channels.

mersey70 14-02-2011 10:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174084)
I think I got installed Decemer 8th full of eagerness and excitment for Tivo...Well thats took a dive lol.
I'm sorry but I really don't understand your complaint then.

You wouldn't have known anything about the free offer to no doubt existing long standing customers, I assume you joined based on Tivo costing £149 plus £40 activation.

You have been offered it for just £149 which is what I was offered it for and I have been a customer for 14 months, not 2 months.

If what you say is true though you have been mis-sold and should contact retentions and I know from personal experience this can happen, speak to them.

dgcarter 14-02-2011 10:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35174046)
While I am not currently considering Tivo I would imagine it costs £149 because it's probably more than worth that, it's certainly competitively priced compared to other PVR's of it's type on the market.

Companies are always in danger of alienating some of their customer base when they offer a deal to a certain few but I don't believe for one moment it was random, there will be some science to their decision. And adding 1000 users will help the momentum when the next quarterly figures are announced for sure but I fancy there is something very client specific that helped them choose.

Great if you got one though, well done!
It's only worth £149 or more if at the end of the day you own it. To pay £149 to be able to borrow a piece of kit that you never own, and never would want to own since it's useless off the Virgin network, is nothing short of daylight robbery.

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 10:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174086)
I was told on the phone Tivo would have its own package deal an if I took VIP50 all I would have to do is swap me exsisting box out for Tivo..No mention of £149+£40+£3 a month.

Why dont they scrap tivo and put the extra £3 to getting more hd channels.
TiVo is the driving force behind the future on VM's platform... more HD is coming (waits for Marcus125's sarcastic "coming soon" joke :rolleyes: )

VM's come a long way from the days of ntl: & Telewest.

Peter_ 14-02-2011 10:07
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgcarter (Post 35174089)
It's only worth £149 or more if at the end of the day you own it. To pay £149 to be able to borrow a piece of kit that you never own, and never would want to own since it's useless off the Virgin network, is nothing short of daylight robbery.
It has always been the case since the early days of the V+ that you pay to get it installed, a case of you want then you pay for it which many customers have done over the years.

Marcus125 14-02-2011 10:08
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Well VM should take my opinion into account.

I'm a longtime sky customer who joined VM ecause of Tivo, this is what they want.

Sky customers very rarely pay for repairs bbecuase they're free for the 1st year and you just tell them your leaving if your contract is up after the first year.

When sky customers realise they need to pay £149+ just to have the epg and less channels I'm not sure they will come. By the way LOVING THE 50MEG BB.

When I cancel I'm keeping that.

ALSO The VM service is fine no trouble with it at all. As has been said this my mistake. Lets remember people who are angry are only angry at themselves lol.....I guess I need to go take a good hard look at myself lol..

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 10:08
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgcarter (Post 35174089)
It's only worth £149 or more if at the end of the day you own it. To pay £149 to be able to borrow a piece of kit that you never own, and never would want to own since it's useless off the Virgin network, is nothing short of daylight robbery.
nobody is forcing you to get it, so I don't get your point?

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mersey70 14-02-2011 10:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dgcarter (Post 35174089)
It's only worth £149 or more if at the end of the day you own it. To pay £149 to be able to borrow a piece of kit that you never own, and never would want to own since it's useless off the Virgin network, is nothing short of daylight robbery.
Maybe, but paying a £249 or something like that for Sky's 1TB box which is functionally exactly the same as the standard one is a bit similar.

I accept it can be used for receiving FTA/FTV TV but what you have paid for, the extra HDD capacity, is obsolete when you stop subscribing.

Peter_ 14-02-2011 10:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174093)
By the way LOVING THE 50MEG BB.

When I cancel I'm keeping that.
No problem and good luck with your new services when you get them.:)

Topgun 14-02-2011 10:09
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgcarter (Post 35174089)
It's only worth £149 or more if at the end of the day you own it. To pay £149 to be able to borrow a piece of kit that you never own, and never would want to own since it's useless off the Virgin network, is nothing short of daylight robbery.
I don't understand how you can describe it as "daylight robbery". No one is forcing you to have it. If you think it's worth £149 to you, then get it, if you don't, then don't. I'm sure there will be plenty of people willing to take your place in the queue!

mersey70 14-02-2011 10:10
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174093)
Well VM should take my opinion into account.

I'm a longtime sky customer who joined VM ecause of Tivo, this is what they want.

Sky customers very rarely pay for repairs bbecuase they're free for the 1st year and you just tell them your leaving if your contract is up after the first year.

When sky customers realise they need ot pay £149+ just to have the epg and less channels I'm not sure they will come. By the way LOVING THE 50MEG BB.

When I cancel I'm keeping that.
If what you say is true you have been mis-sold a product, as simple as that. If it was me I wouldn't be on here talking about it I would be onto VM!

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 10:10
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174093)
Well VM should take my opinion into account.

I'm a longtime sky customer who joined VM ecause of Tivo, this is what they want.

Sky customers very rarely pay for repairs bbecuase they're free for the 1st year and you just tell them your leaving if your contract is up after the first year.

When sky customers realise they need ot pay £149+ just to have the epg and less channels I'm not sure they will come. By the way LOVING THE 50MEG BB.

When I cancel I'm keeping that.
The SkyHD 1TB box is £250

Marcus125 14-02-2011 10:14
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35174099)
The SkyHD 1TB box is £250
I got mine for £149+half price sky for 3 months.

Also the normal free sky+hd box does everything the 1tb does with a smaller hdd...You dont have a free tivo option.

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 10:16
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174093)
Well VM should take my opinion into account.

I'm a longtime sky customer who joined VM ecause of Tivo, this is what they want.

Sky customers very rarely pay for repairs bbecuase they're free for the 1st year and you just tell them your leaving if your contract is up after the first year.

When sky customers realise they need to pay £149+ just to have the epg and less channels I'm not sure they will come. By the way LOVING THE 50MEG BB.

When I cancel I'm keeping that.

ALSO The VM service is fine no trouble with it at all. As has been said this my mistake. Lets remember people who are angry are only angry at themselves lol.....I guess I need to go take a good hard look at myself lol..
We all make bad choices now and again.. good luck :)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174103)
I got mine for £149+half price sky for 3 months.

Also the normal free sky+hd box does everything the 1tb does with a smaller hdd...You dont have a free tivo option.
But the 1TB Sky box is not TiVo, it's just SkyHD with a bigger HDD :)

Hugh 14-02-2011 10:16
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When you joined, were you told that Tivo was free?

If not, I don't understand why you thought you have been missold to.

clinteastman 14-02-2011 10:19
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35174099)
The SkyHD 1TB box is £250
After your 12 months is up it's worth about £150ish resale, so that would effectively cost you £100 over 12 months. Obviously if you have it for longer than 12 months the depreciation is more, and that's without having to have a callout after your warranty runs out.

So would I pay an extra £50 for TiVo over the life of my contract? Yes, absolutely.

BenMcr 14-02-2011 10:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174103)
You dont have a free tivo option.
Yet

When Sky+HD launched you had to pay for what is now the free box, and that didn't even have a 1TB drive in it. Because of technology improvements and economy of scale etc etc Sky now make it the basic box

Same will happen with TiVo, there will be additional options down the line, but at this stage it's Premium TV service for XL tv customers only

Zing 14-02-2011 10:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35174112)
Yet

When Sky+HD launched you had to pay for what is now the free box, and that didn't even have a 1TB drive in it. Because of technology improvements and economy of scale etc etc Sky now make it the basic box

Same will happen with TiVo, there will be additional options down the line, but at this stage it's Premium TV service for XL tv customers only
anybody with a torx head screwdriver set and the ability to google the formatting instructions could easily have installed a 1tb drive if they want lol

I have downgraded to free tv package ready for the down the line upgrade offers lol (also have Sky HD so didnt need VM tv)

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 10:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35174113)
anybody with a torx head screwdriver set and the ability to google the formatting instructions could easily have installed a 1tb drive if they want lol

I have downgraded to free tv package ready for the down the line upgrade offers lol (also have Sky HD so didnt need VM tv)
Higher tier customers will get TiVo 1st, not lower.

Zing 14-02-2011 10:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174004)
Is because VM need you to subsidies the 1000's of customers they are going to give it for free.

VM...If you read this please let me out my contract lol.I'm not anti VM.
early adopters of any tech pay more than those who wait. Look at all those 2 grand HD compatible tvs that sold that were crap only a few years ago.

At least tech gets cheaper not much else does in this economic climate

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35174115)
Higher tier customers will get TiVo 1st, not lower.
Don't want it first I want it free later not in any hurry

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 10:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35174116)
early adopters of any tech pay more than those who wait. Look at all those 2 grand HD compatible tvs that sold that were crap only a few years ago.

At least tech gets cheaper not much else does in this economic climate

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Don't want it first I want it free later not in any hurry
cool :)

Marcus125 14-02-2011 11:16
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Well a 20 minute phonecall and no luck...

They wont let me disconnect unless I pay £180 oh well lesson learned. An that lesson is.....

When sky have given you everything you want for 8 years STAY WITH THEM.

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 11:19
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174158)
Well a 20 minute phonecall and no luck...

They wont let me disconnect unless I pay £180 oh well lesson learned. An that lesson is.....

When sky have given you everything you want for 8 years STAY WITH THEM.
or indeed the other way around ;)

Marcus125 14-02-2011 11:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35174162)
or indeed the other way around ;)
To true.

Anyways I will see out the six months half price I have on vip50 then hopefully they will let me drop down to the absolute minimum.

mersey70 14-02-2011 11:27
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174170)
To true.

Anyways I will see out the six months half price I have on vip50 then hopefully they will let me drop down to the absolute minimum.
What did they say about you being told you didn't have to pay for Tivo?

I assume that's what you meant in your earlier posts.

Rattus 14-02-2011 11:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174158)
Well a 20 minute phonecall and no luck...

They wont let me disconnect unless I pay £180 oh well lesson learned. An that lesson is.....

When sky have given you everything you want for 8 years STAY WITH THEM.
As per my reply in the tivo thread..

Check your T&Cs i'm sure you can cancel due to the price rises, you just have a short time to do it though.

There's a thread about it on moneysaving expert, with people cancelling mid contract due to price rises. Basically you should be able to cancel any service that is going up with out penalty.

I think it works something like.. you have to put in writing you're desire to cancel due to the price rise of your package which you were notified about.

Marcus125 14-02-2011 11:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35174175)
What did they say about you being told you didn't have to pay for Tivo?

I assume that's what you meant in your earlier posts.
She said she can't comment on that and the sales guy should not of said that. She also said had a record of the call ,so I said as you have time and date get a recording..SHE SAID..........We dont record all calls lol.

Ahh what can I say the vip50 is a bargin on the halfprice offer and I will drop my package or leave after 6 months.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattus (Post 35174179)
As per my reply in the tivo thread..

Check your T&Cs i'm sure you can cancel due to the price rises, you just have a short time to do it though.

There's a thread about it on moneysaving expert, with people cancelling mid contract due to price rises. Basically you should be able to cancel any service that is going up with out penalty.

I think it works something like.. you have to put in writing you're desire to cancel due to the price rise of your package which you were notified about.
I tried that already they say the price rise must be over 10%. Anyone know if this is legal? Or can I cancel.

Rattus 14-02-2011 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174181)
She said she can't comment on that and the sales guy should not of said that. She also said had a record of the call ,so I said as you have time and date get a recording..SHE SAID..........We dont record all calls lol.

Ahh what can I say the vip50 is a bargin on the halfprice offer and I will drop my package or leave after 6 months.

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I tried that already they say the price rise must be over 10%. Anyone know if this is legal? Or can I cancel.
ask here http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=3030110


http://shop.virginmedia.com/the-lega....html#changing

H2 says

However, you will have the right to cancel the affected services or end these agreements if the changes are significant, as described in paragraph J5.

J5 says

# If:
a. Virgin Media Ltd, Virgin Media Entertainment and/or Virgin Media Payments increase their respective charges under these agreements;
b. Virgin Media Ltd and/or Virgin Media Entertainment make significant changes to the services so the services you are entitled to receive in return for the charges you pay are significantly altered or reduced; or
c. Virgin Media Ltd, Virgin Media Entertainment and/or Virgin Media Payments make significant changes to the terms and conditions of these agreements (including the other legal stuff).

You may cancel those services affected without penalty by giving Virgin Media Ltd and/or Virgin Media Entertainment (as applicable) at least 30 days' notice in writing. Such notice must be given within 30 days of the increase in charges or changes to the services or this agreement being notified to you. If you were not notified of these changes in advance, you must give notice of cancellation of the services affected to Virgin Media Ltd and/or Virgin Media Entertainment (as applicable) within 30 days of receipt of your first bill following such increase in charges. If you do not give notice of cancellation within the specified period, you will be deemed to have accepted the increase in charges and/or the changes to the services and these agreements. You will no longer be able to cancel your services under this paragraph. If you cancel any services in these circumstances, the increased charges will not apply to those services during the 30-day notice period and paragraph J2 will not apply if you cancel before the end of the minimum period.


There is no mention of 10% anywhere. Send them a cancellation in writing.

mersey70 14-02-2011 11:43
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[QUOTE=Marcus125;35174181]She said she can't comment on that and the sales guy should not of said that. She also said had a record of the call ,so I said as you have time and date get a recording..SHE SAID..........We dont record all calls lol.

Ahh what can I say the vip50 is a bargin on the halfprice offer and I will drop my package or leave after 6 months.[COLOR="Silver"]

Don't trust sales guys from any company, and if at all possible get an offer in writing.

In VM's defence they were great with me when I was told a pack of lies by their salesman.

Marcus125 14-02-2011 11:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattus (Post 35174184)
ask here http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=3030110


http://shop.virginmedia.com/the-lega....html#changing

H2 says

However, you will have the right to cancel the affected services or end these agreements if the changes are significant, as described in paragraph J5.

J5 says

# If:
a. Virgin Media Ltd, Virgin Media Entertainment and/or Virgin Media Payments increase their respective charges under these agreements;
b. Virgin Media Ltd and/or Virgin Media Entertainment make significant changes to the services so the services you are entitled to receive in return for the charges you pay are significantly altered or reduced; or
c. Virgin Media Ltd, Virgin Media Entertainment and/or Virgin Media Payments make significant changes to the terms and conditions of these agreements (including the other legal stuff).
You may cancel those services affected without penalty by giving Virgin Media Ltd and/or Virgin Media Entertainment (as applicable) at least 30 days' notice in writing. Such notice must be given within 30 days of the increase in charges or changes to the services or this agreement being notified to you. If you were not notified of these changes in advance, you must give notice of cancellation of the services affected to Virgin Media Ltd and/or Virgin Media Entertainment (as applicable) within 30 days of receipt of your first bill following such increase in charges. If you do not give notice of cancellation within the specified period, you will be deemed to have accepted the increase in charges and/or the changes to the services and these agreements. You will no longer be able to cancel your services under this paragraph. If you cancel any services in these circumstances, the increased charges will not apply to those services during the 30-day notice period and paragraph J2 will not apply if you cancel before the end of the minimum period.


There is no mention of 10% anywhere. Send them a cancellation in writing.
Back on the phone lol. Surely no...wait the guy has said I can cancel...still on phone lol will update...

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Canceled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!1

30 days notice given..thankyou and good night.

Rattus 14-02-2011 11:52
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174192)
Back on the phone lol. Surely no...wait the guy has said I can cancel...still on phone lol will update...

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Canceled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!1

30 days notice given..thankyou and good night.

Feel free to send any thanks to me in beer... :D

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 11:54
Re: The real reason Tivo is £149.............
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174192)
Back on the phone lol. Surely no...wait the guy has said I can cancel...still on phone lol will update...

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Canceled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!1

30 days notice given..thankyou and good night.
Good luck Marcus... Hope everything goes well for you :)

Marcus125 14-02-2011 11:55
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Originally Posted by Rattus (Post 35174197)
Feel free to send any thanks to me in beer... :D
Mate seriously I would lol.

muppetman11 14-02-2011 12:42
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Another pointless thread , look its simple if you don't want to pay £149 for TIVO don't wait until its at a point your happy to buy it. And as for signing to a service and saying theres not as much HD , I'd say next time do a bit of research.

Marcus125 14-02-2011 12:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35174225)
Another pointless thread , look its simple if you don't want to pay £149 for TIVO don't wait until its at a point your happy to buy it. And as for signing to a service and saying theres not as much HD , I'd say next time do a bit of research.
Hey I have managed to cancel VM I have not criticised there service. What happened to me was mix up at both ends but VM insist it was purely my fault. All is well I'M BACK WITH SKY.

When tivo is rolled out free to all I will definately try it out but untill then I have my beloved sky back lol.

But it was a missunderstanding that has been sorted out..

/Thread closed as it gave me the infomation I needed to resolve my issuse.

Horizon 14-02-2011 17:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dgcarter (Post 35174089)
It's only worth £149 or more if at the end of the day you own it. To pay £149 to be able to borrow a piece of kit that you never own, and never would want to own since it's useless off the Virgin network, is nothing short of daylight robbery.
Indeed. There are those on here like myself that think exactly that. But the other camp thinks its perfectly reasonable to have upfront charges to pay for rental equipment, then pay an additional monthly rental fee on top of the monthly rental fees already paid. All I can said is they're rich and totally mad.

devilincarnate 14-02-2011 17:36
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Can i just say that the reason for TIVO been charged at £149 is:

Spoiler: 
Because that is what they have said and we cannot do a damn thing about it:D:D

DaBoz 14-02-2011 17:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus125 (Post 35174004)
Is because VM need you to subsidies the 1000's of customers they are going to give it for free.

VM...If you read this please let me out my contract lol.I'm not anti VM.
Wow, sour grapes and completely illogical. Why was this thread given so much bandwidth? Mental.

Boz

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 17:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174427)
Indeed. There are those on here like myself that think exactly that. But the other camp thinks its perfectly reasonable to have upfront charges to pay for rental equipment, then pay an additional monthly rental fee on top of the monthly rental fees already paid. All I can said is they're rich and totally mad.
It's that or you pay higher monthly fees like the £10 charge TVDrive/V+ used to have.

Which do you want? It costs VM to produce and support the equipment and replace if it breaks down.

Marcus125 14-02-2011 18:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBoz (Post 35174434)
Wow, sour grapes and completely illogical. Why was this thread given so much bandwidth? Mental.

Boz


Not sour grapes but a series of unfortunate events lol...Let me explain.

Ok I signed upto VM after being offered 6 months half price. So I choose VIP50, Which is "around" £100a month so at half price I think it will be "around" £50 a month. Its not its "around" £70.

When I signed up I mention my main reason to join is Tivo I'm told go with vip50 and its a simple swap out for the tivo box on release. No mention of the £189 +£40 install + £3 extra subs.

Now I understand new products carry a price but if I knew that Tivo was going to cost that much I wouldnt of joined VM. Again if I knew VIP50 was not going to be half price I wouldnt of chose it.

The loss of HD channels was a pain but mehh I could cope. Virginmedias service has been faultless in the 2 months I had it and the 50meg BB is excellent. But its over kill for me.

I thought I was joining at £50 a month with a view to getting tivo. What happended was I joined at £76 a month with another £180 for tivo plus £40 to get it installed plus another £3 to use it lol. So just a massive missunderstanding which is now resolved. I may keep the bb though just at a lower speed.

Horizon 14-02-2011 18:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35174440)
It's that or you pay higher monthly fees like the £10 charge TVDrive/V+ used to have.

Which do you want? It costs VM to produce and support the equipment and replace if it breaks down.
That's what the monthly subscription fees are for.

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2011 18:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174484)
That's what the monthly subscription fees are for.
Monthly fees are for the service. So a higher monthly fee would be better then? a £10 extra monthly fee for TiVo.

jamiefrost 14-02-2011 19:41
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Don't understand the reason why people think the Tivo box is a ripoff but are quite happy to pay SKY £249 for a box that is next to useless if you leave. :confused:

JJ

Peter_ 14-02-2011 21:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jamiefrost (Post 35174541)
Don't understand the reason why people think the Tivo box is a ripoff but are quite happy to pay SKY £249 for a box that is next to useless if you leave. :confused:

JJ
Because if you get a standard box from Virginmedia you do not pay extra for it so the they think well if they are supplying the best box available then that should also be free, they want their cake and they want to eat it without paying a penny.

TonyHoyle 14-02-2011 21:36
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Well.. for comparison I paid £400 for my SkyHD box and £10/month, Then £200 for a second one when the first one fried itself (sky of course weren't interested.. I bought the box, my problem), and still £10/month. That one now sits gathering dust as it's useless.

So in 4 years SkyHD cost me over £1k.

Tivo at £149 + £3/month is dirt cheap by comparison! (In fact I'm getting 2! Never got multiroom with Sky because it would have been an extra £20/mo and would have required me fitting a landline in the bedroom).

Peter_ 14-02-2011 21:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyHoyle (Post 35174631)
Well.. for comparison I paid £400 for my SkyHD box and £10/month, Then £200 for a second one when the first one fried itself (sky of course weren't interested.. I bought the box, my problem), and still £10/month. That one now sits gathering dust as it's useless.

So in 4 years SkyHD cost me over £1k.

Tivo at £149 + £3/month is dirt cheap by comparison! (In fact I'm getting 2! Never got multiroom with Sky because it would have been an extra £20/mo and would have required me fitting a landline in the bedroom).
Exactly and yet you get people moaning about proposed the price of the box, if you think its to dear then do not bother posting about it as plenty of others like you cannot wait.

muppetman11 14-02-2011 21:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35174651)
Exactly and yet you get people moaning about proposed the price of the box, if you think its to dear then do not bother posting about it as plenty of others like you cannot wait.
Yeah if you get the call and don't want it , I'll have it LOL :D

Peter_ 14-02-2011 21:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35174653)
Yeah if you get the call and don't want it , I'll have it LOL :D
I am staff so my deal would be rather different to yours;)

But I am happy with my V+.:D

adzzzbatch 14-02-2011 23:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35174654)
But I am happy with my V+.:D
:rofl: Good one!

Horizon 14-02-2011 23:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35174497)
Monthly fees are for the service. So a higher monthly fee would be better then? a £10 extra monthly fee for TiVo.
The monthly fee is for a cable tv service which includes rental and "free" repairs of equipment. When did it become the norm that companies started charging for the "luxury" of being able to record tv? Oh yeah, when Sky started it...all their fault!

Listen to your own ceo in the investor presentations, next one on Thursday. He frequently makes reference to equipment costs and how the cost is clawed back via monthly rental charges, including "telephone line" rental, a charge of course which is nothing at all to with telephones.

As a VM spokesman recently said to paidContent:uk "we’re changing the terminology - we’re calling it an upfront rental fee.”

All well and good as it's rental, vm get the box back at the end of the rental period. But as its rental when does the customer get the "upfront rental fee" back? The answer of course, is that don't. So it ain't rental, it's a purchase and a purchase for VM using a customer's money.

BenMcr 15-02-2011 00:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174714)
But as its rental when does the customer get the "upfront rental fee" back? The answer of course, is that don't. So it ain't rental, it's a purchase and a purchase for VM using a customer's money.
When do you ever get a rental fee back? That's not how it works

If you go to Avis and rent a car for a weekend and pay them an upfront rental fee as agreed in their price list, do you get it back when you return the car? No you don't

Horizon 15-02-2011 00:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35174651)
Exactly and yet you get people moaning about proposed the price of the box, if you think its to dear then do not bother posting about it as plenty of others like you cannot wait.
All the comparisons with Sky over what they charge for their stbs is getting on my nerves.

Sky don't rent equipment. Sky has never been a rental service. Cable is a rental service.

Why can't people understand this basic fact? If you rent something, you do not pay for the entire cost of the rental equipment upfront.

BenMcr 15-02-2011 00:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174719)
If you rent something, you do not pay for the entire cost of the rental equipment upfront.
Except of course when you do - as I just said Car Rental is one example where you pay upfront for something you rent

Horizon 15-02-2011 00:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35174717)
When do you ever get a rental fee back? That's not how it works

If you go to Avis and rent a car for a weekend and pay them an upfront rental fee as agreed in their price list, do you get it back when you return the car? No you don't
Oh boy, you folks must be paid by vm to post on here......:D

If you rent a car, you do not pay for the entire cost of that car to rent it. You pay something called a rental fee, which is a fraction of what the car actually costs.

VM are not asking for a "upfront rental fee", they are asking customers to purchase the equipment and then pay again to rent it from vm. Bloody cheek it is too and I suspect illegal.:mad::td:

I'm going to look into this and if I'm right, I'm bringing out the big guns. If companies think they can do what they want, they will.

Digital Fanatic 15-02-2011 00:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174719)
All the comparisons with Sky over what they charge for their stbs are getting on my nerves.

Sky don't rent equipment. Sky has never been a rental service. Cable is a rental service.

Why can't people understand this basic fact? If you rent something, you do not pay for the entire cost of the rental equipment upfront.
And you're not paying the entire cost of TiVo. The monthly cost is for the channels/VoD provided.

The bit you are missing in your argument is.... how does the equipment get paid for? Someones got to pay for it. You can't get it from monthly subs as it would make it way too expensive.

Pay it and get the service or don't pay it and get nothing. Simples!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/03/72.gif

BenMcr 15-02-2011 00:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174724)
You pay something called a rental fee, which is a fraction of what the car actually costs.
But you still pay it upfront, which you just said you never do?

Quote:
If you rent something, you do not pay for the entire cost of the rental equipment upfront
If I hire a car I do indeed pay the entire cost of renting the car upfront.

Rental fees are just that, they don't suddenly stop when the cost of whatever is being rented is paid for, as what is being rented also need to be maintained, serviced etc. There are more costs than just the initial purchase

Quote:
VM are not asking for a "upfront rental fee", they are asking customers to purchase the equipment and then pay againto rent it from vm. Bloody cheek it is too and I suspect illegal.:mad::td:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the concept of what renting is then.

Horizon 15-02-2011 00:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35174725)
And you're not paying the entire cost of TiVo. The monthly cost is for the channels/VoD provided.

The bit you are missing in your argument is.... how does the equipment get paid for? Someones got to pay for it. You can't get it from monthly subs as it would make it way too expensive.

Pay it and get the service or don't pay it and get nothing. Simples!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/03/72.gif
No its not simples.

VM's monthly fee is not just for services like tv channels and vod. It includes equipment rental charges too. Ask your own bosses if you think this is incorrect and while you're at it ask them what the telephone line rental charge is really for? A clue, it ain't for renting a bit of old copper wire.

Digital Fanatic 15-02-2011 00:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174728)
No its not simples.

VM's monthly fee is not just for services like tv channels and vod. It includes equipment rental charges too. Ask your own bosses if you think this is incorrect and while you're at it ask them what the telephone line rental charge is really for? A clue, it ain't for renting a bit of old copper wire.
The network, perhaps? http://www.addemoticons.com/emoticon...icons04280.gif

vanman 15-02-2011 00:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gifask them what the telephone line rental charge is really for? A clue, it ain't for renting a bit of old copper wire.
well its not for the phone you have to buy one
dont know if its still the case but bt made you pay for installing a phone line then charge you a rental fee for it as well
Quote:
*£30 Connection Offer. Customers who require a new line will benefit from a £100 discount on the standard line connection charge of £130.00.Customers who are benefiting from this offer are not eligible for Line Rental Saver and must agree to an 18 month contract (applies to the Unlimited Weekend Plan or the Unlimited Anytime Plan). Minimum call commitment also applies – you must make at least 10 chargeable or inclusive calls per month (30 calls per quarter). You'll need to pay a charge of £5.15 for every month (if you are billed monthly) or £15.45 for every quarter (if you're billed quarterly) in which you don't make these calls, as compensation for not making the minimum number of calls required. These charges are not subject to VAT and will appear in the one-off charges section of your bill.
https://www.productsandservices.bt.c...ction%20charge

Horizon 15-02-2011 00:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35174726)
But you still pay it upfront, which you just said you never do?
No, I didn't.


Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35174726)
If I hire a car I do indeed pay the entire cost of renting the car upfront..
Of course you pay the entire rental fee! You do not purchase the car though, do you? If you rent a fiesta for a week, you pay a couple of hundred quid in rental fees. The rental company never says you have to pay 10k+ upfront for it, because you're renting it, not purchasing it.


Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35174726)
Rental fees are just that, they don't suddenly stop when the cost of whatever is being rented is paid for, as what is being rented also need to be maintained, serviced etc. There are more costs than just the initial purchase.
Of course, how is this paragraph relevant though? Although it answers an earlier point very well about how does vm recoup the cost of the equipment. It recoups the cost of the equipment by continuing to charge monthly rental fees long after the equipment has been paid for. It's called renting, something VM used to do....


Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35174726)
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the concept of what renting is then.
We will as you don't understand what renting is. Renting is not paying for the entire cost of the equipment upfront as vm are asking customers to do for tivo, then having the double cheek to ask for additional monthly rental fees on top.

BenMcr 15-02-2011 00:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174731)
Will we as you don't understand what renting is. Renting is not paying for the entire cost of the equipment upfront as vm are asking customers to do for tivo, then having the double cheek to ask for additional monthly rental fees on top.
Where has anyone said that the £149/£199 that Virgin are asking for is anything near the total cost of the TiVo service and associated hardware?

Horizon 15-02-2011 00:41
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When you say tivo service and associated hardware, what do you mean?

Do you mean tv channels?
Do you mean catch up tv?
Do you mean other VOD?
Perhaps you think a few apps is a service??

As for hardware:

Do you mean headend equipment?
Street cabinets?
stbs? We already disagree on that one!
Cables?

What is the "service" you refer to? And how is that seperate to the cable tv service I already pay for?

BenMcr 15-02-2011 00:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174733)
What is the "service" you refer to?
If you don't know what TiVo is, then how can you say it's not worth the cost Virgin are asking for it?

No-one if forcing you to have the TiVo box, or pay any of the fees. You can quite happily continue with the STB you have which by the sounds of it more than meets your needs

Digital Fanatic 15-02-2011 00:48
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http://tivo.virginmedia.com/

vanman 15-02-2011 00:49
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someone has to pay cisco for the boxes
and someone has to pay tivo for their software
and then virgin have to make a profit out of it all

Horizon 15-02-2011 00:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35174735)
If you don't know what TiVo is
I know exactly what a tivo is, I had one for several years! It was bloody excellent, far better than any crappy cable box (including v+) ever made in the last 20 years.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35174735)
No-one if forcing you to have the TiVo box, or pay any of the fees. You can quite happily continue with the STB you have which by the sounds of it more than meets your needs
It most definitely does not meet my needs! It's complete rubbish, 1 day epg is disgusting.

PhlangePhace 15-02-2011 00:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35174736)
"Oh well you're here now..... but..... you're a little bit early!"

Oh don't we know it :p:

Digital Fanatic 15-02-2011 01:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PhlangePhace (Post 35174740)
"Oh well you're here now..... but..... you're a little bit early!"

Oh don't we know it :p:
Watch the video, it will educate you on TiVo https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/04/65.gif

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174739)
I know exactly what a tivo is, I had one for several years! It was bloody excellent, far better than any crappy cable box (including v+) ever made in the last 20 years.It most definitely does not meet my needs! It's complete rubbish, 1 day epg is disgusting.
and you paid TiVo £10 a month, just for the Tivo services, it gave you no more channels....... So, you just want free stuff? :D

Horizon 15-02-2011 01:04
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I currently pay £72 a month to vm, I don't class that as "free".

Digital Fanatic 15-02-2011 01:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174746)
I currently pay £72 a month to vm, I don't class that as "free".
and you get everything you are entitled to in that price.

I repeat... you paid TiVo £10 a month, just for the Tivo services, it gave you no more channels....... So, you just want free stuff?


Look... TiVo will eventually replace the other STB's, but for now it's priced as a premium product.

It's an extra service, like premium channels... pay it and get it or get nothing. End of.

Horizon 15-02-2011 01:10
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Happy to rent, not happy to purchase it for VM. End of.

Digital Fanatic 15-02-2011 01:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174749)
Happy to rent, not happy to purchase it for VM. End of.
I see you are avoiding the point that you paid TiVo £10 a month, just for TiVo in the past.

you got no more channels.

adzzzbatch 15-02-2011 01:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174749)
Happy to rent, not happy to purchase it for VM. End of.
By that do you mean you'd prefer the £149 being added to your bill in the way of monthly payments, say £10 a month for the duration of an 18 month contract?

Horizon 15-02-2011 01:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35174750)
I see you are avoiding the point that you paid TiVo £10 a month, just for TiVo in the past.

you got no more channels.
Bit difficult to avoid the "point", when you only just made it! And what exactly are you saying anyway??

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Quote:
Originally Posted by adzzzbatch (Post 35174751)
By that do you mean you'd prefer the £149 being added to your bill in the way of monthly payments, say £10 a month for the duration of an 18 month contract?
If vm said it was £10 on top of my current monthly fees, then I would not be happy with that. If it were £5, I would probably accept it.

Digital Fanatic 15-02-2011 01:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174752)
Bit difficult to avoid the "point", when you only just made it! And what exactly are you saying anyway??
Do I really have to start going back in the thread and start quoting you? read from #76 onwards

Horizon 15-02-2011 01:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35174754)
Do I really have to start going back in the thread and start quoting you? read from #76 onwards
I see in post 85 you added an additonal sentence about tivo, after you made the post. I didn't see that sentence until 30 seconds ago.

WillPS 15-02-2011 01:57
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Charging £149 for a piece of equipment you then rent is a joke IMO. I've made my feelings clear on this on other threads though.

Peter_ 15-02-2011 06:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35174719)
All the comparisons with Sky over what they charge for their stbs is getting on my nerves.

Sky don't rent equipment. Sky has never been a rental service. Cable is a rental service.

Why can't people understand this basic fact? If you rent something, you do not pay for the entire cost of the rental equipment upfront.
It is actually a lot simpler than the above to be honest.

If you want TiVo then you pay the asking price the same way every has done for years with V+.

If you do not want to pay for TiVo then forget about it and do not bother moaning about as to receive a TiVo you have to pay for it. no IFS and no BUTS pa up or do not take the service.

Why argue over something that you cannot change.

Nopanic 15-02-2011 07:02
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I've just had a look on Google for the cost of a Tivo box (non VM) and you're looking at about £100 more than VM charge...

I'd totally disagree that it's the entire cost of the equipment.

Peter_ 15-02-2011 07:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nopanic (Post 35174771)
I've just had a look on Google for the cost of a Tivo box (non VM) and you're looking at about £100 more than VM charge...

I'd totally disagree that it's the entire cost of the equipment.
As in this one which costs over £236 and is an American import with no access to Virginmedia content. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...emiere_XL.html

dgcarter 15-02-2011 07:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nopanic (Post 35174771)
I've just had a look on Google for the cost of a Tivo box (non VM) and you're looking at about £100 more than VM charge...

I'd totally disagree that it's the entire cost of the equipment.
But that's not allowing for the fact that VM don't pay the retail price, and they will be getting a considerable discount on wholesale for buying in the quantity they have.

Peter_ 15-02-2011 07:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dgcarter (Post 35174778)
But that's not allowing for the fact that VM don't pay the retail price, and they will be getting a considerable discount on wholesale for buying in the quantity they have.
Regardless of whatever price they are paying for the equipment it is up to you to decide if you want one.

You cannot go to Currys and get a television at cost price.

Perfect Choice 15-02-2011 07:47
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Just to add to the debate, XL customers only pay £3 per month which reflects the unique Tivo additional services charge I believe. Any debate on box/VM service costs is about the £7/month then and warranty for life for repairs in effect is a very good deal at that price IMHO.

Peter_ 15-02-2011 07:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35174780)
Just to add to the debate, XL customers only pay £3 per month which reflects the unique Tivo additional services charge I believe. Any debate on box/VM service costs is about the £7/month then and warranty for life for repairs in effect is a very good deal at that price IMHO.
Exactly and no one else can hope to compete with TiVo so regardless of price to get one it will be a bargain in the long term.:)

Perfect Choice 15-02-2011 08:09
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Tivo is also a brand new product with a unique UI and features and in high demand (over 20,000 existing customers have logged a wish to purchase). When the Sky+ HD (1TB) box was launched it had a premium price, so I say to those who don't want to pay the £149, simply wait a couple of years and you will get a much better deal!

There are also variants of the box coming out in 2011 which will be cheaper (smaller HDD but same Tivo UI) and suspect when this is launched, customers will not be asked to upgrade to XL TV as they are now.

New technology always comes at a premium, VM is a commercial organisation not a charity, so either pay or wait for when the price comes down, your choice.


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