Row Over Crematorium Heating For Swimmers
 

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110125/...i-45dbed5.html

Personally, I think this is a good idea.

What do you think?

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No problem with it at all :)

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Who do Unison think they are representing in this particular case?

Personally, I don't think it's their place to comment (and I have no problem with the idea).

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I'm a UNISON member - yet, I have no problem with energy sharing at all...It's fine, if there's excess heat then use it to heat the pool.

I think that particular UNISON secretary has a bee in his bonnet about his local council.

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Quite innovative really, only problem is if you fancy a dip to help get over cremating a relative, still that wont be a problem most of the time and perhaps they can console themselves with the thought "it's what they would have wanted".

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Are UNISON campaigning for the rights of thermal energy?

What business is this of theirs? Shouldn't they be representing their members rather than taking political pot shots at the government?

It's so transparent it's beyond parody. Just another part of their politically motivated agitation and frankly an insult to their members who are paying their dues that their union is spending time on such things.

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I imagine when the electorate are asked what they think of the idea it will get a thumbs up..and I suspect most of the local Unison members will be happy with the arrangement too.

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If it saves money then I see no issue.

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yep they will felt needed even after their life.

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A very good idea, no problems with that at all

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If not there could be a heated debate lol. :D:D:D:D

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I think it's an excellent idea. I saw a piece on our local BBC News about it and it came over that if they can't use the energy to heat the pool there's a prospect the leisure centre may not be built due to the financial restrictions.

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I think it's a disgraceful idea and i think that unison should get the backing of all major unions and have a national strike .We cannot have local authorities being this efficient it's a disgrace and bang out of order ,i mean the savings could be quite substantial. Next thing we know the authority will want to give extra services to use the money instead of going on a fact finding junket to the Bahamas . They should immediately have a costly public inquiry to find out who's idea this was followed by immediate suspention on full pay for the individual

Were will it all end

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at the swimming pool :D

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Is this a case of complaining because they can ??

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I think the motivation of the Unision secretary (if not the motivation of Unison itself) involved is quite adequately shown by the following quote, particularly the bit I have underlined.

Personally, I think it's a good idea. If anyone actually has a problem using a byproduct of death (which is what Unison appear to be saying this heat is), then, tbh, they shouldn't be eating anything that has come from the Earth. There's enough people buried in that, and each and everyone has decomposed.

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I see no problem with it... until some wag complains the water is too cold "so throw another one in the burner".

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Great idea. If only more companies / establishments where brave enough to put forward innovative ideas like this

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I was just about to point out ... the heat contribution from the ... err ... customers ... would be negligible. It's the gas ovens that are creating heat by the bucketload, and heating a swimming pool with it seems like a perfectly sensible idea.

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And if something should go wrong, and the pool gets heated too much, at least the swimmers would have a crematorium.

J/k.

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Battersea Power Station (now a bleeding art gallery) used to pipe waste hot water accross the Thames to heat some flats... a great idea! A mate's flat in the USA gets heated FOR FREE by waste heat from a nearby factory.

Cooling towers a thing of the past? Just pipe the excess around to those who could do with some heating help.

On a side note, whilst I was a Home Office Radio bod, we used to work on the aerials on the roof of DVLA Swansea... and often got caught in the plume from the nearby Crematorium's chimney.... and it didn't smell like roast pork....:sick:

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So the Unions are now using this in there continuing attempts to remove the Government by thinking they have the right to :mad:

There is nothing wrong with using the waste heat in this way, Is there a way to use the gas that erupts from Union leaders gobs to run the power stations :LOL:

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yes there is ,unfortunately their hot air has been classed as polution so we can't use it .Instead it has to buried in lead containers for 10,000 yrs

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I think you could possibly use our union rep at work to power London, the amount of hot air he spouts.

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I think that they`re just going off at the Deep end. ! :D

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This is now going to go ahead:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-12388011

The council claims to have had 80%-90% positive responses to its consultation, whereas Unison claimed the plan was "sick and an insult to local residents". There's nothing like a trade union that's in tune with public opinion. And Unison is nothing like a trade union in tune with public opinion. What a bunch of muppets - I hope their members take the local branch to task over the time and money it wasted in indulging in party politics that were obviously outside its remit.

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Sorry but how is this "sick"?

They are using the heat generated to heat a pool that would other wise go to waste

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it's sick because it's a conservative led council coming up with the idea. If it was a labour led council the unions would be hailing it as a wonderful plan to save the environment. :)

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now derek you must get this conservative/ labour thing sorted
being in a union does not you mean you vote labour.

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Maybe not, but holding office in one almost always does. ;)

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Well I never mentioned anything about union members.

The union hierarchy on the other hand give vast donations to one political party and have the kind of influence that can install a person who has to choose between listening and opening his eyes as leader of that party over the wishes of the majority of members of that party.

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this ideas dead in the water ;)

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i know unions today are a bit ott.
but if it was not for unions .
ya be working down coal mine at the age of 9
20 hours a day for 2d a day .
with factory equipment with no safety guards on them.
ect,ect :)

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None of which gives a union that represents council workers the legitimacy to attempt speak for the public, as Unison did in this case.

Its only connection with the issue is the fact that some of the employees of the leisure centre will be Unison members, but this wasn't enough for Unison. It claimed that the measure was "sick" and an "insult" to the public.

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Aye, those were the good old days, lad. :D

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Coal Mines Act 1842 came about because of a Parliamentary Commission of Enquiry.

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Unions are very good at claiming credit for things that weren't actually their doing. ;)

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A very good idea in my opinion, why waste energy? Sounds to me like someones just shouting for the sake of it.

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And you'd pay t' mine owner for t' privilege.

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I believe the 'degradation' that really stuck in their craw was that women were pulling the coal carts naked from the waist up..which proved to be more shocking than the actual conditions underground.

Now I got that little bit of info of a documentary I was idly watching and flicking channels one evening last week but I can't remember who the presenter was or on what channel I came across it.Sadly I fell asleep.

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Bare-chested ladies pulling coal carts? And you fell asleep? :confused: :erm:

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My dear elf it was a HISTORY documentary and I am a straight female..why wouldn't I fall asleep?They didn't actually show naked women you know, so even you would have nodded off.;)

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Oh.. I thought it was one of them reality thingies :(

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Sorry Mate....... No Norks on Public view at that time. :D (.)(.):angel:

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Without wishing to be thought of as armchair moderating, what the smeg has any of this got to do with the original topic?

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Talking about women and kids working down mines, mines supply coal, coal heats swimming pools and crematoriums.



(this tenuous link was brought to you courtesy of "six degrees of separation".....)

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if every one in the pool was to wee at the same time it would be lovely and warm -no need for fancy heating systems :)

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The pool might overflow.....

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Well this thread is just about dead in the water anyway..





































Sorry!:D

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You should be. Wicked & Crazy made that joke in post #32... ;)

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Well I can't see we can say much more about the topic myself..:shrug:

Except it's about time we grew up about our attitude towards death and it's place in our lives..We do tend to be a bit too wary about talking about it and preparing for it.

I'm presently thinking about what service I would like myself..Problem is narrowing down the amount of music I would like..and remembering that I need to include some religious content for those of a religious nature in my family.

Anyone else put any thought to their own funeral/cremation service?

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yep cardboard box in back garden .
so the wife and kids can keep the 2 0r 3k


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We went to a family funeral recently which was a strange experience as the immediate family asked the British Humanist Association to send someone to officiate.

On the face of it this was a sensible idea because the one who died wasn't religious in any way, but in practice, when you're in a room full of people looking for some sort of comfort and reassurance, having someone at the front of the room preaching that this really was the end, no more, final curtain, etc etc wasn't what many people wanted at all.

There is a big difference between positively confessing atheism (as the man from the BHA was doing) and simply having no strong personal conviction on the subject. It did trigger some interesting conversations over lunch though. Lots of folks we talked to were happy to reject the BHA man's claim that there's nothing after life, although they weren't at all sure what form it might take.

So that's an interesting thought Maggy. Do you make sure there's some religious content to your funeral even though you don't share that belief? I know for myself that my funeral is my last great evangelistic opportunity to tell people what I believe - there won't be anything but religious content at mine. :D

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I want to be cremated in as simple a coffin as possible and as I am not in the least bit religious the will be no one officiating at my funeral.

Something like this below.
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Is That A Jiffy Coffin? :D

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Well I was thinking along the lines of a hymn at least..My favourite being All things Bright and Beautiful and at least has a jolly tune.I also like The Celtic Blessing or Laudate Dominum sung by Lesley Garret.Her version of You'll Never Walk Alone isn't bad either.
As for religious content I think I might confer with my sister whose belief is still very firm.

Sadly I think it will be down to whom survives me and if it's him indoors it'll be pretty much to the point so as to get in some drinking time....Quite right too.:)

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The cardboard coffin isn't the cheap option when you go to the CO OP, cost more than the wooded thing, although the children are allowed to write all over it, looks handsome on the way to the cemetery

http://www.co-operative.coop/funeral...offins-Page-2/

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To be honest I think the coffin you choose only has real significance if you plan a burial.Should be the cheapest possible for a cremation.

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I'm not sure why an Atheist funeral would need someone preaching that this was the end. It seems a little perverse to me. Is there any need to make up for religious content with specifically Atheist content? If people want comfort and reassurance they should go to mass. Not to a funeral.

None of the funerals I've been to had any religious content. Speeches were about the deceased. Not about whether there is an afterlife or not.

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The thing is a funeral isn't for the deceased it's for the living and therefore I feel it should be aimed at giving comfort and help in accepting the death of a loved one to those still surviving.The best services I've been to gave a real feel of the deceased and therefore gave comfort to those attending the service.

The very worst I attended was for my Grandfather who was a staunch trade unionist for over 30 years(it was never mentioned) and no music was allowed.This for a man who was passionate about music and in particular had a deep and abiding love of opera.Not even an aria from Dame Joan Sutherland.I felt cheated on his behalf.:(

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Yes. When I said comfort and reassurance, I meant in the sense of 'it's alright, the deceased is in a better place right now, and so will you be when you die', since I presumed that was the sense of comfort and reassurance that Chris intended. Obviously there is a purpose to a funeral, which you could decribe as 'comfort'.

The reason I said what I said is that it seems perverse to me to replace the religious content of a funeral with specifically Atheist content. What's the point? Why is there any need to have preaching of any sort at a funeral? I certainly would not be tempted to invite someone from the BHA at my funeral or the funeral of any of my beloveds. Why on earth would you want to invite someone who didn't know the deceased to bang on about his or her take on the meaning of life?

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Nobody chooses to go to a funeral. Your loved one dies, you get out your black tie. It's just what happens. You wind up in a room full of people who are just as torn up about events as you are, and at some point many of those in the room are going to wonder about the meaning of life (and death). Culturally we are accustomed to airing those questions, and their possible answers, at funerals. The hope of seeing your loved one again is comforting, even in the midst of grief.

So no, people don't get up in the morning feeling like they need a comforting day and then going looking for a funeral to attend. But when they get up in the morning and they have a funeral to attend, they may well go to that funeral hoping for some comfort.

They didn't get any from the smug atheist at the funeral I was at recently. Sadly, he made a basic error that I have seen many like him make - assuming that a lack of commitment to a religion equals a commitment to atheism. His world view (which, to be fair to him, he was invited to share) served only to cause further anguish to the immediate family, whereas he seemed to assume he was in like-minded company.

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Yes, that's pretty much what I meant. None of the funerals I've been to had any religious content, but none of them had any Atheist content either. It was never touched upon, and I would have thought it very strange if it was. I struggle to understand the mindset of the person who invited someone from the BHA.

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It was either the deceased or his wife ... neither of whom I knew/know well enough to say. If it was the wife, then her mindset during the week or two it took to organise was, well, shall we say a-typical. I think perhaps it seemed like a good idea at the time.

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I Really Think That This Threads Come To A Dead End!:D