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Osem 21-12-2010 16:33

Cable 'declared war on Murdoch'
 
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Vince Cable told undercover reporters he had "declared war on Rupert Murdoch" and planned to block his efforts to take full control of BSkyB, according to the BBC's Robert Peston.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12053656

Oh dear....

Maggy 21-12-2010 17:26

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Cable is being targetted by the 38 Degrees mob about the issue..so he's getting pulverised from both sides now.

Damien 21-12-2010 17:34

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Apparently this came up in a Telegraph undercover investigation but they chose not to publish it and it was leaked to the Beeb. How odd. Presumably The Telegraph was worried that this would increase the chances of Murdoch taking total control of Sky, quite likely, and they wanted to prevent that.

Mick 21-12-2010 17:35

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Sky news are saying that according to a tweet by a Daily Mirror reporter, Cable has resigned.

Sirius 21-12-2010 17:50

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35141262)
Sky news are saying that according to a tweet by a Daily Mirror reporter, Cable has resigned.

Sky news will keep saying that he is finished, that will complete the process quickly.

Cable is finished because Sky will make sure he is finished. Watch sky news, read a Murdock controlled paper and every single person involved in the news will say he's finished.

The next 24 hrs will be a perfect example of the power of Murdock over the press and politics

What Vince Cable has said is wrong, But so will be the pressure you will see from Murdock and his empire.

Mick 21-12-2010 18:07

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35141267)
Sky news will keep saying that he is finished, that will complete the process quickly.

Cable is finished because Sky will make sure he is finished. Watch sky news, read a Murdock controlled paper and every single person involved in the news will say he's finished.

The next 24 hrs will be a perfect example of the power of Murdock over the press and politics

What Vince Cable has said is wrong, But so will be the pressure you will see from Murdock and his empire.

But Sky hasn't said he is finished - it's the Daily Mirror who has said that and that is not owned by Rupert Murdoch.

Sirius 21-12-2010 18:08

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35141274)
But Sky hasn't said he is finished - it's the Daily Mirror who has said that and that is not owned by Rupert Murdoch.

Indeed, However i am watching sky news now and all you are hearing is he's finished.

Mick 21-12-2010 18:14

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35141275)
Indeed, However i am watching sky news now and all you are hearing is he's finished.

So are the BBC - I am watching both Sky and the BBC ... You cannot say that Murdoch is controlling the BBC on this one, yet the beeb are saying what Sky are saying, that cable is potentially finished.

danielf 21-12-2010 18:15

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TBH, it's hard to see how he could stay on.

vanman 21-12-2010 18:16

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political suicide what a ass

papa smurf 21-12-2010 18:17

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is this the same vince cable who said if he left the Government would fall ??

danielf 21-12-2010 18:18

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I can't help but wonder if he did this on purpose as a way of getting out without blowing up the coalition?

Damien 21-12-2010 18:25

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35141284)
I can't help but wonder if he did this on purpose as a way of getting out without blowing up the coalition?

He said it in the same expose as the 'blowing up the coalition' statement.

danielf 21-12-2010 18:27

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35141287)
He said it in the same expose as the 'blowing up the coalition' statement.

Yeah, I know but the whole thing is so blindingly stupid, it doesn't seem like him.

Sirius 21-12-2010 18:34

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35141279)
So are the BBC - I am watching both Sky and the BBC ... You cannot say that Murdoch is controlling the BBC on this one, yet the beeb are saying what Sky are saying, that cable is potentially finished.

Yes your correct and yes the BBC are running with it. But they need something other than the weather :)

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35141281)
TBH, it's hard to see how he could stay on.

I agree, He's finished

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Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35141282)
political suicide what a ass

He's pushed that big red button.

Personally i hope he goes quickly before the Murdock press destroy him. He's done wrong and should go.

vanman 21-12-2010 18:38

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35141291)
Yeah, I know but the whole thing is so blindingly stupid, it doesn't seem like him.

maybe the two female reporters were attractive.
and him just a mere male he fell for it.
he not going he staying says bbc

Derek 21-12-2010 18:51

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He's not resigning/being sacked but he's been given a slap-down and removed from any decision making when it comes to BSkyB and OFCOM

papa smurf 21-12-2010 19:29

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35141304)
He's not resigning/being sacked but he's been given a slap-down and removed from any decision making when it comes to BSkyB and OFCOM

which now means Murdoch will get whatever he wants .

Tezcatlipoca 21-12-2010 23:19

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Sky always beats Cable! ;)


[Sorry, someone had to say it!]

naeskydish 22-12-2010 11:35

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So what do we have here?, two undercover reporters pretending to be Lib Dems paid by The telegraph which in turn is owned by the alleged phone hackers, News International. Presumably Cable was asked a question about SKY and News international with the hope of trapping him. Like a fool he complied.

Rupert Murdoch and his News international who supported the tories at the election, now have their wish with the removal of someone intent on blocking the controlling purchase of shares in SKY. We have the OFCOM report to come and presumably the new Tory boy in charge of this section of business is our only hope of blocking this take over. I've got my doubts whether the tories will do anything to jeopordise public support by news international. It will be a sad day when Murdoch and his right wing views dominate the UK media.

Flyboy 22-12-2010 12:30

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Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35141282)
political suicide what a ass

And this is the man who people were saying they wish it were he is running the economy.

---------- Post added at 11:30 ---------- Previous post was at 11:28 ----------

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35141318)
which now means Murdoch will get whatever he wants .

Murdoch was always going to get what he wants. The dissolution of OFCOM and the destruction of the BBC.

Hugh 22-12-2010 12:32

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News International does not own the Telegraph (The Times, Sun, etc, yes, the Telegraph, no - that would be the Barclay brothers).

Flyboy 22-12-2010 12:32

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Originally Posted by naeskydish (Post 35141547)
So what do we have here?, two undercover reporters pretending to be Lib Dems paid by The telegraph which in turn is owned by the alleged phone hackers, News International. Presumably Cable was asked a question about SKY and News international with the hope of trapping him. Like a fool he complied.

Rupert Murdoch and his News international who supported the tories at the election, now have their wish with the removal of someone intent on blocking the controlling purchase of shares in SKY. We have the OFCOM report to come and presumably the new Tory boy in charge of this section of business is our only hope of blocking this take over. I've got my doubts whether the tories will do anything to jeopordise public support by news international. It will be a sad day when Murdoch and his right wing views dominate the UK media.

You're kidding right? Cameron won't go against his puppet-masters.

Damien 22-12-2010 12:48

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35141575)
News International does not own the Telegraph (The Times, Sun, etc, yes, the Telegraph, no - that would be the Barclay brothers).

Yes. This revelation helps News International, which is probably why the Telegraph attempted to suppress it. Interestingly it was then leaked to the BBC, who are also worried about a total buyout of BSkyB but ran the story anyway.

Hugh 22-12-2010 12:49

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35141576)
You're kidding right? Cameron won't go against his puppet-masters.

How soon they forget......

I could have sworn New Labour toadied up to News International for 12 years (97-09)...

Independent
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According to Andrew Neil, Murdoch met Blair for the first time on 15 September 1994 over dinner. In July 1995, Blair flew to Australia to address a News Corporation management conference. There he made it clear that he had dumped Labour's long-standing policy to force News International to reduce its media holdings.

By early 1997, Blair had convinced Murdoch that he would not move against News Corp's interest once he was in power, and that he would hold off from joining the European Monetary Union. On Monday 18 March 1997, the first day of the election campaign, Blair and Major woke up to the realisation that the earth had moved. Murdoch's Sun newspaper, after nearly two decades of backing the Conservative Party, had changed horses.

However, by early 1998 the price for this special relationship was beginning to become apparent. Three separate strands came together for them in February and March of 1998. The first was Murdoch's ongoing quest to swing a deal with Silvio Berlusconi [Murdoch had offered Berlusconi, the then Italian opposition leader, £4bn to take over Berlusconi's Italian television network, Mediaset].

The second strand was the price war that Murdoch's News International newspapers had been waging in Britain since 1993. By late 1997, backbenchers in the new Labour government were concerned enough about the threat that Murdoch's price policy posed to the future of newspapers such as The Independent, to agitate for legal bans on anti-competitive pricing – Murdoch made an appointment to see Tony Blair at Downing Street. In February 1998, Blair drew criticism from Labour ranks by opposing the amendment on predatory pricing, which was passed in the House of Lords. Tony Blair announced that his government would not support the amendment, and it would not be passed in the House of Commons.

Damien 22-12-2010 12:50

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35141576)
You're kidding right? Cameron won't go against his puppet-masters.

Nor did Labour, it's a serious problem in this country IMO.

Look at the nature The Sun went after Labour when they decided to back the Tories, vicious, nasty, spiteful, and revelations timed to coincide with positive press for Labour. They did the same against the Tories previously.

Osem 22-12-2010 12:57

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35141596)
How soon they forget......

I could have sworn New Labour toadied up to News International for 12 years (97-09)...

Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but...... :rolleyes:

Hugh you really must remember set your memory onto 'selective' mode more often.... :D

punky 22-12-2010 16:15

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It's quite ironic that before the election Cable was regarded as one of the most respected MPs with unimpeachable integrity. Now we know that he's probably one of the most bent in office.

I like Peston's analogy that Cable is like a judge who tells the accused he's getting 3 weeks in jail before the case has started. If a judge was found out doing that would he have to step down from that one case or be disrobed permanently I wonder?

naeskydish 22-12-2010 16:46

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Damien says
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Yes. This revelation helps News International, which is probably why the Telegraph attempted to suppress it. Interestingly it was then leaked to the BBC, who are also worried about a total buyout of BSkyB but ran the story anyway.
I should have realised this, it puts a different slant on the story. Still for Murdoch's benefit though.

Ignitionnet 22-12-2010 21:41

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Originally Posted by punky (Post 35141732)
It's quite ironic that before the election Cable was regarded as one of the most respected MPs with unimpeachable integrity. Now we know that he's probably one of the most bent in office.

As one of his constituents I must humbly disagree.

Careless and naive definitely, however he didn't say what he did for personal gain.

I think he's not used to power, and has gotten a little drunk on it. Shame as I think he's an honest and good man even if I disagree with many of his views, and fundamentally I have no doubt he thought he was doing the right thing.

I also however think his ego is getting in the way of his brain, his attitude reeked of 'Me the man' and that needs to go.

I'll see if I can visit his surgery early next year, if those planks at the Telegraph haven't made him so defensive it would be rendered pointless, as I do need to discuss constituency matters with him.

I am very, very annoyed with what the Telegraph have done here. They've entrapped an MP by pretending to be a constituent and now MPs will all be somewhat hesitant when dealing with their constituents and will not be open with them about anything remotely controversial :(

The other thing to note is what the Telegraph did with the story when they had it - suppress parts of it for their own advantage.

Flyboy 22-12-2010 22:48

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35141600)
Nor did Labour, it's a serious problem in this country IMO.

Look at the nature The Sun went after Labour when they decided to back the Tories, vicious, nasty, spiteful, and revelations timed to coincide with positive press for Labour. They did the same against the Tories previously.

But we are not talking about Labour. This has nothing to do with any past relationship NI had with Labour. This is now, this is what you voted for. This is about Cameron giving into Murdoch. He has already tried to get rid of OFCOM and he will eventually succeed; next step, the BBC.

Ignitionnet 22-12-2010 23:02

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35141903)
But we are not talking about Labour. This has nothing to do with any past relationship NI had with Labour. This is now, this is what you voted for. This is about Cameron giving into Murdoch. He has already tried to get rid of OFCOM and he will eventually succeed; next step, the BBC.

In what was is removing Vince Cable from this decision process giving in to Murdoch?

The only alternative I can envisage would have been to fire Vince Cable from BiS.

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EU competition commissioner, Joaquin Almunia, said in a statement that he is "confident this merger will not weaken competition in the United Kingdom".
As to the issue of media plurality while the BBC and the other sources of news exist it's tricky to see how this claim can be justified.

Ofcom was a New Labour infested mess of an overly bloated, inefficient and overly meddling QUANGO. Staffed by New Labourites, run by New Labourites to New Labourite policy. It has often been described as a most New Labour organisation and for very good reason, it was quite inevitable that it would be changed and frankly change was desperately needed. It being changed is nothing to do with Murdoch.

Nice partisan comments though ;)

Flyboy 22-12-2010 23:49

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35141905)
In what was is removing Vince Cable from this decision process giving in to Murdoch?

The only alternative I can envisage would have been to fire Vince Cable from BiS.



As to the issue of media plurality while the BBC and the other sources of news exist it's tricky to see how this claim can be justified.

Ofcom was a New Labour infested mess of an overly bloated, inefficient and overly meddling QUANGO. Staffed by New Labourites, run by New Labourites to New Labourite policy. It has often been described as a most New Labour organisation and for very good reason, it was quite inevitable that it would be changed and frankly change was desperately needed. It being changed is nothing to do with Murdoch.

Nice partisan comments though ;)

Excuse me?

Derek 23-12-2010 00:28

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Oops! It's not just Cable who has been a little bit indiscrete.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-Lib-Dems.html

punky 23-12-2010 00:37

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35141879)
As one of his constituents I must humbly disagree.

Careless and naive definitely, however he didn't say what he did for personal gain.

He may not have said it for personal gain but clearly he was going to use his position for it. Not financially but certainly politically. He made it clear he has some kind of personal vendetta against Murdoch and seemed to be clear in saying he'll use his position to hurt him personally.

I don't doubt he sincerely thinks he's doing the world a favour in his own little way but his conduct falls way short of what we expect from an elected official. Now he's lost responsibility for ALL descisions rather than the BSkyB one because he can't be trusted, what good is he?

What is a bit disconcerting is that he wasn't sacked. If it was a Tory MP i'm sure he/she would have been. I was a bit concerned before the coalition formed just how much power the Lib Dems wielded - far in excess of what they got from the electorate. The Lib Dems don't want him gone i'm sure. Cameron can risk the coalition breaking up as they would be certain to lose the next election due to cuts program. So until things pick up in the months/years to come the Lib Dems are going have the final say on things.

Arthurgray50@blu 23-12-2010 14:39

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What l think has happened is that Cable has told the truth, Murcdoch is trying to ahiceve what he wants, and that is take over the Sky empire, making him the most powerful man in the media.

The Tories want it, as Murdoch supported Cameron in the election, so what will happen, Murdoch will pump money into the Tories, and this is why Cable was going to block it.

IF Cable resigned or was sacked, it would cause a major problem in the coalition, as it needs all the Lib Dems to keep the coalition together.

The people l blame for all this mess, is the people that voted for the Tories in the first place, the Libs can forget about getting anymore seats for power, as they have been proved that they are have lied to the public, (which is nothing unusual in politics).

I give it till the Summer, and the whole thing will go under.

Hugh 23-12-2010 14:43

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Excellent - Arthur blames 10,703,754 people......

Oh, Arthur - have you been at the Christmas sherry already?

Arthurgray50@blu 23-12-2010 14:51

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Yes, hic

Taf 23-12-2010 16:43

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http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2010/12/23/31937/

Maggy 03-03-2011 12:09

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12631875

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Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation has been given government approval for its controversial takeover of BSkyB.
The green light follows News Corp's offer to spin-off Sky News as an independent company.
The decision follows concerns about the concentration of media outlets in the hands of one organisation.
Bah! I'm so cross..I agree with the opposition.
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Rival UK media groups dismissed News Corp's offer as a "whitewash" and said they would "vigorously contest" the takeover.

chris9991 03-03-2011 12:48

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I wonder if there is anything to stop Sky from starting a new news service

Tod 03-03-2011 13:31

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News Corp would not be allowed to increase its shareholding without the permission of the culture secretary for 10 years.
So how it is a problem now, but not in 10 years time? :rolleyes:

Ignitionnet 03-03-2011 13:46

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Someone pass the popcorn, few things rile some members up quite like Murdoch.

Sirius 03-03-2011 13:57

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35185899)
Someone pass the popcorn, few things rile some members up quite like Murdoch.

Well is there anyone else out there with same ability as he now has to change politics by using there control of the media.

Plus he is very easy to hate as he looks like Mr Burns :)

frogstamper 03-03-2011 15:44

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If you feel strongly about News Corps go ahead from yet another supine government cave in to the Murdoch empire, irrespective of colour, use this link to lobby your MP.

http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/spe...doch_Whitewash

Maggy 03-03-2011 15:50

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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35185989)
If you feel strongly about News Corps go ahead from yet another supine government cave in to the Murdoch empire, irrespective of colour, use this link to lobby your MP.

http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/spe...doch_Whitewash

Did that already and look what good it did.I can see my new MP is going to be as active as the duckman was..


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