Can I DIY swap in a V plus box in place of a V box?
 

i have a vip package with a v + in lounge and a V box in another room, i have got hold of a second user v + box and would like to use it in my system that is without going through VM and to get it to work as a recorder and get the HD content i am paying for, i dont want to get more channels or otherwise defraud VM,

would i just swap over my pin card.... and not have anything bad happen....

andrew

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The box is just a doorstop as it cannot be added to your account and your viewing card will not work, so I hope you never paid good money for it.

If you want another box call Virginmedia and they will sort out a package for you.

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thank you, i am not really surprised , its typical of the anticompetitive attitudes of cable and sat broadcasters, they must be close relatives of Apple.....

However its difficult to believe that the cable and sat boxes are unhackable and nothing is on the net, for chrissakes its easy to get instructions for hacking MOD laptops ( just needs a soldering iron....)

It was justa Freecycle deal I havent paid anyone, should I tell the "vendors" that they need to give it back to VM??

Andrew

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If they don't want to get hit with a rather large bill giving the box back would be a good idea.

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The cards cannot be hacked as they are Nagra 3 and the vendors can be billed £250 by Virginmedia.

All equipment has to be listed on your account and activated unlike SKY who only supply the viewing cards.

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How can it be anticompetetive for a supplier to only wish to allow equipment that is properly subscribed to be able to receive services :confused:

Until quite recently there were some vulnerabilities in VM's TV systems. That had allowed the unscrupulous to connect dodgy kit and get programmes without payment. Nagra 3 encoded cards paired to Set Top Boxes have fixed that. Since VM rent the STBs to their customers, there is no need for customers to provide their own STB, and indeed if you have a fault, as part of the subscription, VM even repair the rented STB, unlike Sky where you might have to buy your replacement.

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How can it be anticompetetive for a supplier to only wish to allow equipment that is properly subscribed to be able to receive services :confused:

Until quite recently there were some vulnerabilities in VM's TV systems. That had allowed the unscrupulous to connect dodgy kit and get programmes without payment. Nagra 3 encoded cards paired to Set Top Boxes have fixed that. Since VM rent the STBs to their customers, there is no need for customers to provide their own STB, and indeed if you have a fault, as part of the subscription, VM even repair the rented STB, unlike Sky where you might have to buy your replacement.

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Indeed how nasty of VM to stop people stealing service by hacking the system :rolleyes:

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If only that were true.

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It is to a degree. The spoon fed morons find it a lot harder now. I agree that there is options but a lot of the morons who have no idea what they were doing because they had to be spoon fed everything have lost there TV.

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If a commercial firm like Sky or VM can stop us peaking at their programs for free, what the hell can the government do to us? I find that scary, that cable is "locked down" tight.
It would indicate a free-er society if we could, but i didn't want to hack it, just put a V + box in place of V box, i pay VM plenty already...
Andrew

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Every Vbox Virginmedia supply is listed against a specific customer and every viewing card also supplied by Virginmedia has to be paired to the Vbox by us and if the box and card are not paired they do not work unlike SKY where as long as you have a card any box will work.

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But a V+ STB allows you to do much more than a V box, i.e. you can see HD content, you can record, timeslip, etc. All of those are additional functions not covered by your current subscription for a second STB. Why should you get that for nothing, just because you already pay a bit.

What has the government got to do with Sky and VM services? Both are systems installed and paid for by the private companies and their shareholders. Both systems are luxuries, and thus you do have a choice as to how much of the service you want to subscribe to.[COLOR="Silver"]

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Even if Virgin allowed second hand boxes to be paired to another account you would still have to pay £10 a month extra for the V+ service to be activated on the second box as you are on the VIP package. As you are on VIP though, the installation fee is less than that of a non VIP customer at £40 for manned install or £20 for self install plus £10 a month. So if you want a V+, that's what you need to pay.

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Do you really mean freer society or freeloader society?

VM own the box. They can do what they want with it. How would you like someone taking your property and using it?

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I don't want the Government able to pull the stunts they could on surveillance and our whole lives etc that they could in 24 day 8.... a state where you cant hack cable services is pretty well there its a sad day... and the fact hat many people here seem happy to roll over and die about it..... sad indeed

I said that i personally didn't want to defraud VM but its sad to live in world where you cant even if you wanted too.. Big Brother already exists ...

Andrew

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What does being unable to trivially hack cable services have to do with government surveillance?

That's about as relevant to personal freedom as you being unable to hack the VPN I use to communicate with my work.

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watch 24 then, its about what the TECHNOLOGY will do, most scarily what it will do in real time.

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What has defrauding a cable company got to do with Big Brother.

I have seen some crap posted in my time on here about hacking cable but your post must come close to the top of the all time list for reason for and against.

The answer has been posted here for you. It is Phone up and pay like the rest of us.

Simples ;)

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your resolution and fire is amazing, is this a VM/Sky shareholders group//

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No, it is not.

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24 is fiction. They frequently got things wrong.

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So's Coronation St, look how many believe that!

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Sorry no time to answer at the moment checking my shares

:LOL:

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But I bet you have "a friend" who does.....:dozey:

It's also a sad day when people can't walk into your house and take whatever they want - Big Brother society indeed.....

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WTF!! Should I bother even trying??

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/tin_foil.jpg

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So your saying Coronation St ISN'T true??

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Just wondering what happens if you get broken into and the box gets stolen are they insured by VM?

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Nope, think it has to be covered by your home contents cover

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customer buying a TV from me today told me he'd just paid £160 for a new 'Dodgy box' that uses your broadband connection.
he looked all scary when he grinned at me "they're back!"

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I'm very aware of what the technology will do, I have experience in DPI, network security and cryptography, and I'm still struggling to see the link between conditional access systems and surveillance.

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The link is extremely tenuous, at best, and non-existent in reality.....

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Are you anywhere near Telford? :p:

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sorry but I wrongly expected a Cable group to have strong anti-establishment feelings, and not be a bunch of arselickers, my mistake....

Ok so VM/sky technology has got u beat at present, you will just have to try harder.....

On a broader front my only real beef against the *******s is the National Heritage Sporting events that they shouldn't be able to cover exclusively , like the Ashes, and all England footie. They wouldn't be able outbid all comers but for their massive overcharging due to monopoly status

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Here you need this

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Sounds like the same kind of hit and run business that's been running in satellite circles for the past couple of years. Sell them a box to watch 'free' TV for a month then close the server claiming legal or other random reasons, leaving the gullible fools with another doorstop for their collection with no recourse because their activity is illegal.

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The rumour is they have to buy a new box each year which is how they make the money on it.

I would not trust them as the server that feeds them can be detected and shut down or attacked ecm wise. There could even be some form of counter measures or tracking done via the isp should the spoon fed numpties be using there vm supplied broadband. All vm would need to do is buy a box and then trace the server where it is getting its info from and have a look at what that data looks like. The rest would be easy i am sure.

Ignitionnet would be able to say if what i have posted is at all possible

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Perhaps if you'd care to make some kind of sense I'd be able to see your point better.

I'm unsure why being a cable related forum would be related to being anti-establishment. I'm guessing your major exposure to 'Cable groups' has been the forums devoted to stealing service. They aren't anti-establishment for the most part just a bunch of chavs who don't want to pay for pay TV / broadband service and expect other people to pay for them.

So again if you'd care to offer some kind of explanation why UK cable using industry standard conditional access systems as used on satellite and cable networks from the USA to Europe to Asia reflect in some way on the UK government's ability to carry out surveillance on us that would be great.

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Why?

If you want the service pay for it, if you don't want to pay you don't get the service. You know, this is how it works, you don't walk into a store and help yourself to the product, you don't 'try harder' to steal the goods from the shelf, you don't 'try harder' to steal cable or satellite service just as you don't try harder to steal anything else. You wouldn't walk into a store and help yourself to their stock, same thing.

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There's a difference between a cable group and a cable stealing group. I'm sure you can see the differences.

That said you asked a question in your OP which was answered politely.

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Actually Nagra 3 has the whole cable theaving community beat. Worldwide.

We are not a cable group as you put it. Nor do we pretend to be. We are a forum dedicated to providing help for customers who need it legitimately.

Does stealing cable help fight *Sky's* domination of Sports television? If so, how? Bearing in mind that theft of On Digital didn't.

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Even if vm didn't, what would be there to stop the people running the server just moving the service to another server and demanding more money? The people running the server probably have no contact with the customer, so they don't care too much about reputation.

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I think you are very wrong there Stuart. You'd be surprised.

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What about? Nagra3 being beaten? Or people running these servers suddenly switching off the service? As I understand it, Nagra 3 can be temporarily defeated by using these servers, but that's not a permanent solution.

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Nagra 3 encryption has not been cracked by any of the "groups" however there are a couple of "groups" in this country who care very much about their rep.

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I didn't say all the groups are like that. Even if they aren't, if VM finds the server and gets it disabled, there is a chance that a lot of people have lost their £160..

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I don't actually care. My freeview box does me.:D

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I can see that if you hack a cable feed you are in fact stealing.
But for satellite feed that is different in nature as they are broadcasting it freely to open air, which can be intercepted and used, the fact that it needs decrypting may not be relevant, Murdoch is polluting the air with these signals, he has already given them away??

Andrew

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:LOL: I have heard it all now

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Are you for real. :eek:

On that basis every time you use your mobile phone, and "pollute the air with those signals" it would be OK for us to listen in and even start to talk to your mates.

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Thanks for making my Christmas come early!

That is one of the funniest things ive read on the InTeRwEbZ for a long time! rofl :D

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:tu:

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The method of transmission is irrelevant. The act is still illegal. Would you do the same in a shop? After all, they frequently leave products on shelves (essentially "broadcasting" them "freely"). Are you legally able to go into the shop, take something and not pay?

No, of course you aren't. It's the same for Sky.

It may not fit the legal definition of theft, but it is obtaining services by deception, so it is still illegal.

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Do you also steal everything from a house that left it's door open?

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