[Update] Ofcom raps Channel 4 over Frankie Boyle's Harvey Price 'joke'
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11969507

I didn't see the show.Did Boyle really say that?If he did it does seem over the top?:erm:

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I saw part of the show, and it was incredibly rude. Now, I'm fairly thick skinned and am not easily put off by rude humour, but the problem with that show was that it wasn't particularly funny. Which just leaves rude. Not something to watch again imo.

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The trouble with Boyle is he gets carried away when he's on a roll.

they're just jokes. thinking out loud things if you like. and why should you get into trouble for people hearing your thoughts.

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I find Katie Price every bit as vile as any Frankie Boyle joke. My main annoyance is that he's given her an excuse to get her talentless, pointless, brainless, chavvy cranium on the TV again.

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Ribaldry is dead in this country. Unfortunately it is now restricted to countries that respect the right to free speech.

We have to base what we say around Jordan's/Clare Balding's feelings now. It's rather sad.

If people heard the Aristocrats joke performed by anyone in the last 15 years they'd just explode with Daily-Mail-esque rage.

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I agree with Gary, I`ve got both of Frankies dvd`s and he does go lower than any other comedian with his gags, but like he says to people offended by his shows, you know what to expect so, don`t come to the show if you`re offended. I know that Katie Price didn`t go to a show but to Frankie Boyle, everything is fair game like it or not.
He makes jokes about Cancer, i`ve had cancer but i`m not offended, I can see what Katie Price is complaining about but its not a personal dig at her son, its just the way Frankie Boyle jokes about certain situations or conditions that people may get into or have.:shrug:

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no he does not all his jokes are scripted. If you watch his DVD If I could reach through the tv blar blar most of his jokes are on that and his show

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They may be scripted, but he still thought them up in the first place.

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Yes, along with about 30 minutes of other equally offensive and un-funny things.

I watched the whole of that episode but I'm not going to bother again. His routine is designed to make people drop their jaws with amazement that he would dare say the sort of stuff he does. The problem is, he's so busy being gross, he often forgets to be funny as well.

He's much better in a setting like Mock the Week, where he has to restrain his urge to shock a little. IMO he's a lot funnier in those situations because he has to be more creative in what he's saying.

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I'll agree with that, I've seen his latest show and it wasn't too bad, somethings I'd say were a bit course, but I don't get offended by any of it, I thought the Harvey joke was funny. Why should it be off limits when nothing is off limits. But yeah good point about being reigned in and his gags are limited to the situation.

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Lol,,,,,,, Like she needs an excuse!:D

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Have you watched the `Mock the week` too hot for TV dvd Chris? Thats really good.;)

Frankie Boyle sets out to be offensive but like he says, " He`s a comedian, and they`re all Jokes"

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*groans*
Well done Katie, that'll double the viewers for Frankie's show next week.
It's not like Katie Price to publicly cry at a gag...
...Usually she takes everything anyone gives her.

Frankie should phone her to apologise, but what if Harvey answers the iron?

I've made some offensive jokes, and could come up with 'worse' than these, can I have my 15 minutes of fame, now please?

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I`ll bet Katie Price has gagged more than Frankie Boyle anyway! ;)

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Well I've no time for her but to be honest I do think using children as ammunition to make a joke does seem, well a step too far..especially if it's of a sexual nature..

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Freedom of speech should always trump peoples' sense of offense.

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I spent this morning watching a nativity play put on by some of the children at our youngest's special school. These children have severe physical and/or mental disabilities and to see them rise to the challenge and do their best was truly moving. Frankie Boyle ought to spend a little time with some of the young people whose disabilities he chooses to ridicule in pursuit of fame. Autistic children at least have an excuse for their sometimes odd or unpalatable behaviour. What excuse does Boyle have for being a thoroughly offensive moron?

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Most comedians say things they regret later on, remember when Alan Carr dedicated an award to Karen Matthews.

Ofcom will probably reply saying its freedom of speech ect.

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It's repeated on C4 right now in case anyone's interested.

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:clap::clap:(and I found Frankie Boyle very funny on MTW)

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Well most of the time I did as well, though once or twice he made me wince..

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It gets him viewers? :shrug: (And ticket, DVD) sales.

Whilst a fan of him the show isn't particularly funny. The sketches are a bit lame and the stand up sections are lifted straight from his standup act. In a theatre as part of an ongoing stream of thought it was hilarious, on TV it just seemed a bit desperate.

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Nothing to do with free speech. He hasn't been reported to the police, he has been reported to Ofcom. You do not, and have never had, the right to broadcast whatever you choose. Same goes with other countries, they all have standards and watchdogs to abide by.

So I don't think it's sad to take into account the feelings of someone whose disabled child your about to mock. While offense alone is not reason enough not to make a joke you should take it into account. As much as I dislike Katie Price she is still a human being, and so is her child regardless of a mental disability. Using him as a gag is a low most comedians would not sink too.

This brings me to be problem with Boyle. He is a shock 'comedian'. Someone who goes out of this way to offend because that is his what his career is based on. Shock. "He can't say that, can he?" type of comedian. It's not brave to push the boundaries of taste in the way he does.

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Ask yourself. How would you feel if someone made fun of you and your disabled son on primetime national TV?

I like Frankie Boyle, but in this case he did go too far, and Katie had every right to do what she did.

As for free speech, we've never had free speech in this country. No country has. It's always had limitations. We do, however, have fewer restrictions on speech than a lot of countries. Including, apparently, the US.

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Really?Even to making racist jokes?

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Ah, the magical word racist that makes everyone gasp in horror and look for the culprit and the police when it's mentioned :)

I grew up hearing racist and all other kinds of jokes. I personally find them funny and don't take offence by anything that is meant as a joke.

they only stopped being funny when we went all PC and hugging each other.

now we just talk and do sex all day and night. even the kids get to see it. we haven't decided yet whether there's no turning back or whether we can frown at it :erm:

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And that explains *so* much of the "thinking" behind your posts on here.

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Yeh, I suppose I'm broad minded. though I don't think I've expressed it so much as you imply though?

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On the contrary, the statement you made earlier today suggests to me that you're a narrow-minded racist bigot who thinks anything goes just so long as you get a laugh out of it.

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Yes. It's only past experience and transgressions that are the reason race is such an issue. In modern Britain it should be considered no more of a taboo than any other subject.

Nothing should be any more 'off limits' than anything else in a tolerant and open society. That it is speaks volumes for how abysmally we fail at being tolerant and open - people needing to tread on eggshells to avoid other people taking offence on behalf of third parties.

People who hold serious racist views should be treated with amusement and disdain, they aren't worth getting offended over.

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Oh. well what you say suggests to me that you're one of those people that accuse someone of being racist just because they admit that jokes are funny. you may find something offensive or un-funny and expect anyone who doesn't feel the same to be the same as you.

if they don't we call them bad words whilst shouting and pointing our finger so everyone sees who you disagree with so we may pelt them with lose change in our pockets. :)

I'd like to add that I also laugh at dirty jokes as well as Irish, Scottish and dippy blonde ones.
the only ones I draw the line at is ones about elephants. if I hear anyone making a joke about elephants I report them to the RSPCA.

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To each their own, Chris.

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I'm a bit stuck on what to say really. My trouble is I don't think, well I will say I'm not racist, yet my ignorance of what you can say and what you can't say isn't probably up to date. So I will be picked up on and labelled racist regardless to what I think which I suppose is the sad part. Also having an opinion doesn't seem worth anything anymore, you have to follow the guidelines or else.

I can take the mick out of myself, and I'm not offended by being a butt of a joke as I hope I can give as good as I receive, so if I go to one of his shows, I'd expect to him to throw his full book at me if sit in the front row. I can distinguish the context, call me anything you like in a joke but if it's not intended to be funny then obviously that's different. I've said it before, and I'll have to say it again, I'm more offended by those that are offended because they can't distinguish it's context or that they just like to follow the PC crowd.

There is a clear difference with singling out a child, naming and making fun at his disability, at least without consent, that to me whilst still funny and I will laugh (because I don't take it seriously nor personal), I can understand Jordon taking offense and it's up to her how she responds to it.

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I find that I can't stand the hypocrisy of modern "comedians"

As they all sing in one voice in opposition in regards to so called "racist" comedians such as Bernard manning and alike.

I personally found Bernard Manning quite funny, and as I recall I never heard him take the piddle out of mentally handicapped people ala messrs Carr and Boyle.

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I won't like it but there is a big difference between not liking something and trying to ban people from saying it or punishing it.

Likeminded people should be able to share like-minded jokes. I refer you back to Ignition's excellent and succinct comment: "Freedom of speech should always trump peoples' sense of offense."

Shame it's a bit late to ask Richard Pryor about that one. Maybe ask Chris Rock?

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The thing is that any ethnic minorities that knew or met Bernard Manning knew he wasn't racist. He did so much to help people of all backgrounds in his local area around Manchester.

Making a joke about an ethnic minority doesn't make you racist. To deliberately exempt ethnic minoroties from jokes because of the colour of their skin always seemed rather patronising to me.

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Do you take 'always' to be an absolute, or are there limits? Do you see any circumstances at all where someone's freedom to say something grossly offensive should be curbed?

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Not with regards to causing offense. There is no concrete definition of what "offence" is. It's something that every individual person sets the boundary of. A couple of hundred years ago taking the lord's name in vain was offensive. To a tiny minority it still is. Same with insulting royals. How can people be held account to something that's impossible to define?

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I agree with Punky on this one.

As posts of previous threads will testify.

Offence is a "point of view". It's a personal emotion that affects only the individual and ahould not have a retribution or recourse to the offending item.

You're entitled to be offended as much as you like, "be offended"

but nothing happens.

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On the contrary, I think communities of people are entirely capable of agreeing amongst themselves that they consider certain words, sentiments or activities to be offensive and to seek to exclude such behaviour from within the community.

To take your example of blasphemy: would you consider it acceptable for someone visiting a cathedral, abbey or any other Christian institution that is normally open to the public (say for example the monastery at Buckfast Abbey in Devon) to arrive with a small group of friends and then stand up and deliver a lecture on the folly of religion?

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I don't see why people always talk about "freedom of speech" with topics like this. There's no freedom of speech issue here, people are free to say whatever they want - and face the consequences. In turn other people are free to feel offended.

"Freedom of speech" isn't the right to say whatever you want without repercussion, never has been.

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Royals can't really defend themselves can they?

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:tu:

Also as I mentioned we have never had freedom of speech on Television or printed press.

In this case I find it hard to believe that any right-minded person would consider a joke at the expensive of a named disabled child inoffensive. Katie Price has every right to complain to Ofcom. The fact he explicitly named the child in question makes it much worse.

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You're moving the goal posts here from a private performance (even on thought it is on TV) to someone. It is entirely different having a BNP support standing on a soapbox in a high street telling outright racist jokes and Richard Pryor telling them in a theatre of paying customers. Hence my "Likeminded people should be able to share like-minded jokes" comment.

And I find your comment about communities of ethnic minorities getting together and deciding what is offensive or not to be just bizarre really.

Neither can God. All jokes about gods are banned now? If a woman makes a joke about men, I can't really defend myself either?

Anyway the point is that what people finds offensive not only varies by person/location but by time.It will be a real shame to have comedy that is completely unoffensive to everyone.

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You talk as if Manning was some self-deprecating, nihilistic comedian. If you want to talk about exempt, please go ahead and find some footage of Manning mocking white people like he did other races. As far as i'm aware, the only demographic who were exempt were white, heterosexual males - himself and his core audience funnily enough. Now that's patronising.

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No, I'm not shifting the goalposts. I'm trying to discover where you've put them, by exploring the absolute which you used earlier: namely, your use of the word 'always', when quoting and agreeing with comments made by Ignition: "Freedom of speech should always trump peoples' sense of offense."

I deliberately asked you if you would define the boundaries, if any, or whether you considered 'always' to be truly absolute, because I wanted to establish whether you were defending freedom of speech in private surroundings or whether you were making a case for people being free to say whatever, wherever, whenever.

It appears that the extent of your proposition is actually that "[Where comments are made in surroundings that could reasonably be construed to be 'private'], freedom of speech should always trump peoples' sense of offense."

Please correct me if I have misunderstood your position.

Perhaps you find it difficult because you're grappling with something that I didn't actually say. ;) I used the word 'community'; I did not qualify it with the term 'ethnic minority', or anything else.

My use of 'community' was a very broad one, intended to describe any identifiable group or possibly a society as a whole.

Personally I do not subscribe to the idea that individualism trumps everything else. Society, via its Government, is entitled to legislate against behaviour it disapproves of. The things society disapproves of shifts over time and so do the laws that reflect that disapproval.

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Surely an omnipotent being has every opportunity to defend him/herself? ;)

The difference is that the fact that Royals can't defend themselves is a consequence of the role they play in society. As such, it stands to reason to give them some additional protection imo.

Oh I agree, and I think there are very few people who would want that. I like comedy that pushes the boundaries of what is considered acceptable, but I think it should try to make a wider point. Personally, my main gripe with Boyle is that he isn't funny, and I don't see the point in being crass at the expense of others just for the sake of it.

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I'm completely lost now. We were talking about Frankie Boyle now you're talking about people walking into cathedrals and outright insulting christians.

Going back to start again I don't think it's right that comedians should have their subject matter vet their jokes.

This is just getting more bizarre now. Ethnic minorities or not I find it odd that any community based upon an populaous to get together and collaboratively decide what the community (and presumably everyone in it) will and be offended at

Like in The Exorcist, such a vulgar display or power!

If a woman makes a joke about men, can I realistically defend myself?

I don't know why a joke would mean anyone defend themselves. It's a joke not an accusation.

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[QUOTE=punky;35135973]I'm completely lost now. We were talking about Frankie Boyle now you're talking about people walking into cathedrals and outright insulting christians.

Going back to start again I don't think it's right that comedians should have their subject matter vet their jokes.[quote]

Re-read what I said, there's really nothing difficult about it. You made a claim that on the face of it was absolute - i.e. it would apply way beyond circumstances of a comedian at a private performance. I attempted to get you to elaborate. When you said 'always', did you actually mean 'always'? Apparently you didn't.

Not being funny here but the bit I've bolded makes no sense - 'populaous' isn't even an English word. If you could clarify and elaborate, I'll respond to your point.

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I'll pick up the baton,

Communities may well come to a concensus about what actions or words they deem offensive and within their community they may agree to not undertake such offensive deeds.

But that doesn't mean they can push those ideals onto wider society.

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So, you are saying it's OK to say what you want about anyone as long as someone thinks it's funny, and that it's wrong that the person being offended does anything about it?

All Katie Price has done is complain to OFCOM, after asking Channel 4 for an apology. She is not banning anyone from saying anything.

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But I don't think this is a difficult one?

Do you think that naming a disabled child and making him the subject of a joke is acceptable?

Does Katie Price have a right to complain?

Do we not have a right to call it unacceptable?

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I said the comment in a thread about Frankie Boyle. You're trying to claim that my comment was "absolute" and to things completely irelevent to the thread.

If you want to talk about hate crimes in society, start another thread.

A typo. It should read populace. I.e. a part of a population, be it ethnic minority or otherwise.

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I believe you can say anything about anybody - doesn't have to be funny.

Nor is it wrong for anybody to be offended, they can be offended as much as they want - but that's where it ends.

In so far as the above Jordan has the absolute right to complain and request an apology.

Whether CH4 or F.Boyle apologise is their perogative.

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No, but whether I think it is acceptable or not is irrelevant

Absolutely

Of course, but that is all - but there should be no further punitive recourse

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This, I do agree with. However, I do also think the subjects should have the right to reply.

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It doesn't matter if anyone thinks it's funny or not but Frankie Boyle delivering a what essentially is a private-performance. He deserves to do so without interference. whether people like it or not shouldn't impact that.

She can ask C4 for an apology. That's fine, and its a PR issue which i'm sure they'll gush over. What would reporting to OfCom do? Can the ban re-transmission of the material? Fine Boyle? OfCom have a duty to address material which I guess would be illegal of which Boyle's material here shouldn't be.

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But no one is arguing for that.

The main points raised are that it was a nasty 'joke' in very poor taste, Price is more than entitled to complain, as are we to find it distasteful.

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Ofcom have a wider scope than simply stopping illegal material. There are rules regarding decency and the fact he named the child in question may also be an issue they need to deal with.

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I think you'll find that as it was being recorded for broadcast on a channel that is free for everyone to view (by free, I mean no subscriptions are required beyond the licence fee and there are no restrictions on viewing) it is actually a public performance, not private.

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Therefore we are in agreement on that matter

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I'm not trying to claim anything. I am trying to establish (as I have stated at least 3 times now) what you meant by 'always'. I asked a question. That's all.

Wilful misunderstanding is pretty poor as a debating tactic. I know you're more intelligent than this and I am having a hard time accepting you didn't understand my first post, the first time you read it.

If you honestly don't instinctively see the wider context of the discussion at hand I'm not about to waste my time trying to explain it for you. However, once again I'm not going along with this. You fully understand the wider implications of Boyle's comments and the response to them, but you prefer not to engage with those implications. Well, fine, ignore that strand of the discussion if you choose.

Interest groups are constantly lobbying for their view to be acknowledged and legislated for. Why do you find it astonishing when there are so many real-world examples? The recent controversy over Catholic adoption agencies and whether they were allowed to refuse to place children with homosexual couples is a good example of one 'community's' outlook being legislated for at the expense of an (arguably larger) one.

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And I have answered. My answer is within the context of this thread - i.e. telling jokes. Comedians should always have the right to a joke without having to risk punishment because they stepped on some fobidden area - be it black people, disabled people, sexuality, kids, religion, royals etc. A joke will always have to have a butt. The butt shouldn't always have to be healthy, white heterosexual men. Otherwise, where is their right to complain?

I referenced what Ignition said because I thought it was a succinct way of putting across what I was trying to say in this thread. If you want a catchy slogan that encompasses comedians telling jokes and BNP members commiting hate crimes I suggest you go back to him.

There is nothing wilful about it. I'm genuinely having a hard time grasping what you are trying to get at.

I fully understand the wider implications but prefer not to engage in those implications? Again, what?

Maybe i'm just not as smart as you but I can only do my best replying to what I think you are trying to say. If you think i'm being obtuse (deliberately or otherwise) then fine, don't reply. I never asked you to in the first place.

I don't find it astonishing that special interest groups exist. However I don't expect the NBPA (to name but one example) to be able to speak for every black police officer.

Also, I fail to see what this has to do with Boyle telling a joke about Harvey. Jordan has every right to speak on Harvey's behalf as his guardian. Lobbying groups doesn't come into it.

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This is not a free speech issue. It is about insulting a disabled child and alleging that he is a potential sexual predator who needs a cage fighter to repel him.

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So what did he mean when he said that Alex Reid needs to fight him off to stop him from "f******* her," if it was not a personal dig at her son?

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Which would kind of indicate that he knew exactly what he was doing and his remarks were premeditated

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This was no "off-the-cuff" remark, it is not first time he has used the same material.

No, I don't think they will. This is not a freedom of speech issue, it involves an accusation of a sexual nature towards an eight year old child.

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Hopefully he will end up on the same pile that Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning did.

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Jim Davidson was funny. why would you think that anyway. wasn't they supposed to be racist. or is it because Boyle has offended that you think he should be treated the same?

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Why not?

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This was not, in any context that any reasonable person could imagine, a private performance.

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Why should they?

not much of a discussion if each sentence starts with Why?

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I'll take that baton if I may ;)

Communities and interest groups have been pressing for their shared outlook to be adopted by wider society pretty much forever - from the suffragettes and post-1960s feminism through racial equality and sexual orientation discrimination.

People press for their ideas and values to be widely adopted because they believe in the cause - they are convinced that what they believe in is good for wider society as a whole. They can, and should be allowed to, 'push' for their ideals to be adopted. And as we live in a free society, that society may over a period of time accept or reject those ideals.

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A fair and reasoned comment - others note.

And I accept what you say, and to a point agree with it.

But what I object to, are people who try and tell me what where, in my opinion, their values are neither qualified or welcomed.

But because they are a large group i.e. church, society,community etc they think they have the mandate to be our moral compass. This is dangerous, again in my opinion.

I do not agree so much with In so far as, if they do indeed obatin support from the masses and do indeed obtain a mandate and then lobby government to have laws introduced - fine.

But not by influencing the media, or applying pressure in other ways so that their views are brought in via the back door.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11976410

Hmm! Very brave of them..But if Ofcom find against them?:erm:

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It was a joke about a named mentally disabled child sexually assaulting his mother. Channel 4 claim it's "pushing boundaries"?!

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If he'd made a similar sort of joke, but without making it personal (by naming both Katie and Harvey Price), I'd be inclined to agree it is just Frankie trying to push boundaries. He didn't.

It wouldn't necessarily be funny (although, TBH, I didn't consider it funny anyway), but it wouldn't be a personal attack.

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Does that mean the jokes about people without white skin will come back?

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Why, Gary - do you miss them?

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Goodness gracious me, yes.

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You're a man out of time, Gary - bless.....

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He reminds me of my grandad.

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They never went away. Look up Andi Osho, Shappi Khorsandi (although she tends not to talk about race as such) or Omid Djalili (who can be funny, but his depictions of iranians could be called offensive).

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That can't be Gary, it's quite plainly my Dad.

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I was thinking more Jim Davidson. Nick Nick! :D

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Your dad's a racist. just thought I'd let you know :D

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Well ,the comedians I mentions do take the mickey out of their own races rather than others. Something which Jim Davidson tended not to do.

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I know. I just watched a bit of Andi Osho on Youtube. Jim Davidson did the black mans voice a lot. (bad)

Didn't Jim do a posh person now and again?

He used to do a white woman in a car with her boyfriend and his handbrake, which was ok. then he'd do a black man and the police. which was very bad.

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Personally I see nothing wrong with what Frankie said. He is a comedian and he made a joke. All the stand up on his show is present on his recent DVD as it was all the material from his most recent tour.

Yes he goes too far sometimes but it was still only a joke.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

That's not much of answer though, is it really. I really would have liked to hear what your thoughts are on why these people are not allowed to promote their religion.

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But he didn't make fun of their colour, did he.

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When does it stop being a joke? I mean, if he goes too far, doesn't that mean it's no longer a joke?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Colour or voice and behaviour?

Too far as in what's socially acceptable at the time I would say.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Surely you can see that when the target of your joke is an actual , named, disabled child then that is wrong?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I already knew that.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Well you point out where I suggest

and I'll answer it.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Making fun of those who can 'defend themselves' is one thing. Picking on those who can't through no fault of their own is quite another IMO. There's quite enough paranoia directed towards autistic/mentally disabled people (and with males, sexual innuendo can be particularly hurtful/damaging) and I doubt Boyle would be quite so blase about these things if one of his children was similarly afflicted and his family had to deal with the sort of despicable comments/behaviour all too often directed at them. Life really is quite tough enough for the parents of these people without the likes of Boyle adding to the daily burden.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Unfortunately (and I don't mean to imply Frankie Boyle did this), but a lot of people do dress up serious abuse as "jokes", which is why we have rules on what can be broadcast.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

By which it is likely and fair to infer that you would prefer if it was prohibited. Or would prefer to argue the toss about semantics?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

I don't want to argue the toss about "semantics"

I do, however, want to argue the toss about where exactly I mentioned "religion"

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Okay, I'll play your game for now:

That's not much of answer though, is it really. I really would have liked to hear what your thoughts are on why these people are not allowed to promote their own ideals.

Is that better?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

there has been some jokes he has done in the pass
i did not understand it
an iam scottish
but i hate Katie price she is to big headed an its just a joke
get over it Katie an get a sense a humour

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

But having a flake and an idiot for a mother does mean that her eight year old disabled child is fair game.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Spot on: I have no moral issue with him telling a joke that may offend - Ms. Price puts herself in the public eye and so she is a fair target. My problem is the same as yours - why make a joke that isn't funny?
It seems he has prioritized offensiveness over comedy. Not good, and I was a huge fan of Frankie's - I even bought one of his stand-up dvd's!

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

The problem with that is Ms Price wasn't the target, it was a disabled eight year old child, who was the target. The fact the his mother is an attention seeking idiot, is not his fault and he shouldn't be ridiculed because of it.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Spoken like someone who didn't actually watch the show. The joke was:
"the only reason she married a bodybuilder was so she had someone to stop Harvey from raping her.."

Ms Price is clearly the target of the joke - she is the subject, the show was aired after 10pm with several warnings that minors should not watch. If anyone lets their eight year-old kid watch shows of that nature, at that time of night, it is the parent's fault for exposing them to it.

To try and argue he was attacking the kid is stupid - maybe if he said it on daytime kid's tv I would agree with you.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Not half as stupid as failing to see what might be a little bit dodgy about suggesting a disabled child is likely to attempt to rape his mother.

Or are you from a planet where that sort of thing is ok?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

He didn't seriously suggest anything - it was a joke on a comedy show, I have already agreed that it wasn't funny but it was still a JOKE.

ie: creating a ridiculous situation for the purposes of comedy.

Or are you from a place that has no concept of comedy?

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

One does not have to actually see, or hear, what was said to have an opinion about it. There are lots of things I don't need to see or hear to able to do that.

The remark came from a whole diatribe about the child, for example, the current case regarding custody. It was suggested, whomever was successful in obtaining a residency order, will be the "loser," implying that neither Ms. Price nor Mr André wanted the child.

Re: Katie Price complains to Ofcom over Frankie Boyle gag
 

Can we get something straight: do you now accept that Harvey was the target of this 'JOKE'?